Jeter Should No Longer Be a Shortstop
Baseball February 6th. 2009, 4:15pm
Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter has never been a mitt-wielding maestro, and, with his offensive production dropping, his poor defense has become an increasing liability.
A new plus/minus rating in Bill James’ Handbook rates Jeter the worst shortstop in MLB for the past three seasons. In 2007 and 2008, his glove alone cost the Yankees 30 runs. Â The only gaps he appears to be plugging are on his forehead.
Jeter’s hitting has generally overcome his fielding deficiencies. In his stunning 2006 (should have been MVP) season, his offense helped the Yankees to a superb 6.9 wins above a replacement player. However, as his slugging went south he declined to 3.5 wins in 2007 and 2.5 wins in 2008.
If Jeter holds steady or declines, he may just nose above all-glove, no bat Adam Everett, projected as a 1 to 1.5 win player next year, possibly more if healthy. On a level plane Jeter is better, though he makes $21.6 million compared to the $1 million the Tigers pay Everett this season.
Jeter can no longer field his position effectively. Â Moving him would help what has been the worst defense in baseball. Mark Teixeira blocks his natural progression to first base. Â They have a glut of corner outfielders. Â The logical move may be to center, though that’s no easy switch at age 35.
Sentiment keeps Jeter at short, but what’s now untenable could become catastrophic.
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February 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
artie lange will be pissed reading this.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
and who would go to short this year? don’t even say A-Rod, he is a 3b now.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Jeter = overrated
February 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
i agree.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Let’s walk through this, tyduffy.
At SS, he’d be a +7 bat, -15 defender, +7.5 for position, +25 for replacement level = 2.4 win player.
In LF, he’d be the same +7 bat, *maybe* an average defender 0, -7.5 for position, +25 for replacement level = 2.4 win player.
You might think Jeter is +5 or so as a LF. That’s your call. If so, bump him up.
But if the SS you replace Jeter with isn’t 1.9 WAR or better, the move is net-zero or worse. Given their options, they’re probably better off leaving him at SS and trying to find a better than 2.4 WAR LF (which is already on the roster – Swisher).
February 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
They Yankees would be lucky if they got someone to play short that was Everett’s caliber. By moving Jeter, you would weaken two positions. Ratings had him as the worst shortstop going back to ‘02, and yet he still seems to be doing fine.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
and there you have it.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Good lord, yes. I always enjoy Yankees fans getting so pissed off when you point this out, it’s fantastic.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Talking about Torre and Jeter in the same week. BLASPHEMER!
/idiot Yankee fans
//wtf is up w/ TBL’s s-e-r-v-e-r?-?-?-?
February 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I have had plenty of those “debates”
February 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
yea, it’s fun…almost as fun as pointing out that kobe isn’t that good.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
NickP: Try english next time. Remember, I’m of those “You know a Hall of Famer when you see him” kinda guys (ie old). You know, the ones who watch for FUN, not stats, fantasy scoring, betting, etc
What model TI gives you all those calcs????
February 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Adam Everett, btw, is one fucking terrible hitter. Projection -30 (!) runs.
So even if you still think he’s the best SS in the game (I personally don’t), give him +15 runs defensively, and he’s still only 1.2 wins.
You’re better off with Jeter.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
the TI Sequoia, jpq.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
i love this reaction…it’s not really that hard to understand nor does it make the game tedious and unenjoyable.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Shhhh, don’t say that so loud. People will get mad.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
After watching Craig Biggio and his Johnny Damon-esque arm move to center field in his late 30s… I highly suggest the same for Derek Jeter. If only for the comedic possibility.
/Astros fan. Biggio was awesome. But could not throw.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
The best part of the whole “Jeter shouldn’t be a SS” post is you could copy and paste this from what, 2003 on?
February 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Looking back, when all non-Yankee fans were arguing (correctly) that A-Rod should have been the shortstop over Jeter, THAT was when the error was made and has yet to be corrected. Cano can’t field second either so what about (next off-season) moving Cano to another team or another position and moving Jeter to 2nd? Don’t know how that would work out, just a thought. As NickP points out, it doesn’t make any sense NOW to move Jeter off the position.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
maybe if you’re an accountant.
i’m sure nick knows what he writes and has done ample research, but reading that left my eyes hurting. i thought i wsa reading a tax form of some sort.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
/threadjack
LeBron’s a fraud.
/end threadjack
February 6th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The Orioles have the best defensive SS in the division this year and will finish dead last. So really, defense isn’t important. Duh…
February 6th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Cal Ripken sucked too.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Cal Ripken sucked too.
See… Now there you go. I guess you think that little salsa-dancing mouthy homo, who’s now coaching, was a better SS???
February 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I love this comment from that LeBron story
Sure am glad there are so many rational, intelligent fans out there.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
the TI Sequoia, jpq.
Thanks, Miz. No wonder. I’ve been stuck using this one
i love this reaction…it’s not really that hard to understand nor does it make the game tedious and unenjoyable.
spencer, all you MLJ guys are into this stuff, which is great. I watch games w/ guys who, when their team score, get pissed because THE WRONG GUY SCORED! That, and the incessant texting to get catches, yards, hits, walks, rebounds, point, etc gets ridiculous. Watch the fucking game and root for your fucking team!
Think I’ll go see Gran Torino tonight
February 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Go in expecting comedy and you won’t be disappointed. Funniest movie I’ve seen since 88 Minutes.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
get off my lawn, bsanders
February 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
i agree with this as well.
whatever.
/bong rip
February 6th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
bsanders- did you see Burn After Reading?
February 6th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Go get herpes, Tampa. Uncalled for.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Yeah, thought it was just kinda “meh.” Definitely lesser Coens. Better than The Ladykillers, though.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Go get herpes again, Tampa. Uncalled for
/C”RM”‘d
February 6th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
jeter overrated always cracks me up. if a guy who is going to get 3000 hits, never hit under .290 in his 12 years in the bigs, was a top 3 MVP finisher twice, and was a world series MVP is OVERRATED, then who the hell is rated?
February 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
trying to decide what to watch On Demand this weekend.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
that’s partially why i got out of rotissere baseball some years ago. i got tired of that shit.
it’s also why i don’t gamble much on sports and NEVER gamble on/against my favorite teams. i remember when the bucs were playing in the super bowl and i’m at this bar. the raiders start making a fourth quarter comeback and this one bucs fan was cheering when the raiders were scoring.
why? he had the raiders and the points.
i wanted to punch the sonofabitch SSSOOO bad.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
That might happen this weekend if it does there will be a post somewhere.
/Gasparilla weekend’d (google it)
February 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Another player to compare is Robin Yount, but he moved to full-time CF at 30, and played well there for eight seasons.
Yankee fan here, I appreciate all he has done for the franchise. However, I agree with everything above. Maybe it’s time he become captain and switch with A-Rod for the good of the team.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
pujols
/bad joke.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I’m not a big baseball numbers guy but those numbers NickP was talking about were pretty cool comparing Jeter at SS and left field.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
email me if you’re successful, tampa.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Gasparilla weekend’d (google it)
Tampa, did me a Gasparilla weekend once before. My liver (and my privates) still haven’t recovered
/have fun!!
February 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
nobody is properly rated otherwise we wouldn’t talk about them.
and all that’s fine and dandy, but what about the fact he was an absolute abortion at SS? that doesn’t count for anything?
you’re the man.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I can respect the Bill James-style statistics and whatnot, even though I’m not that into baseball. I geek out pretty hardcore over all the DVOA and DYAR shit over at football outsiders, so I guess I understand it. But I don’t like baseball enough to get into that, though I agree that the only player who is properly rated is Pujols. He’s the best. By far.
/Cardinal fan’d
February 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Cold Hard Football Facts is a terrible website, by the way.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
tampa – I googled it and a effing footrace came up. I know you’re not running a damn half-marathon and getting herpes. if that’s possible, I need to go get checked out right now.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I’m a Red Sox fan, and I think he’s first ballot. A SS who was a fairly consistent 120-130 OPS+ guy, through his prime. Four rings.
At the risk of getting to sportswritery, he always scared me more than any other Yankee hitter.
Jeter may drink wine coolers, but he belongs in the HOF.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
what’s this DVOA and DYAR you speak of, bsanders?
February 6th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
what’s wrong with wine coolers?
/CRM
//Tampa Bo
February 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
gasparilla = public tits on parade.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
There are some good definitions of it here and here. I’m a total geek for that web site during the NFL season.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
tampa – I googled it and a effing footrace came up. I know you’re not running a damn half-marathon and getting herpes. if that’s possible, I need to go get checked out right now.
Miz: nothing beats Fantasy Fest in Key West around Halloween, but here is link to Gasparilla…
http://gasparillapiratefest.com/
February 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
and don’t forget about the great ass he pulls in.
February 6th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
TBL, Jeter is overrated in my opinion because of how much coverage he gets in comparison to his talent. I’m not saying he is not a great player or that he is not a HOF player, but I think he gets too much credit for how well the Yankees have played over the past 10+ years. Most of it comes from playing in New York for the best team during his career. He’s been at the right place at the right time. He’s been the most visible player during the Yankee’s recent run, so he gets the most ink. He’s not nearly as good as Pujols, but gets more press and credit because he’s been around better players and plays in a bigger market.
February 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Just another reason for LBJ and the Cavs to continue to be made at the world. I love it. Great reason for them to just keep kicking everyone’s ass.
Seriously, is the goal to @#$^ LBJ as hard as possible for the next two years so he feels he HAS to leave Cleveland in order to be successful? How’s that for a conspiracy theory?