Larry Walker, a Canadian Who Belongs in the HOF
Baseball March 31st. 2009, 4:45pm
Forget Bert Blyleven – Larry Walker’s going to have a real gripe in 2011 if the voters ignore the Canadian:
Over 17 seasons until he retired in 2005, Walker batted .313, whacked 383 homers and collected 2,160 hits and 1,311 RBIs, statistics that compare favourably with several Hall of Fame outfielders, including Jim Rice, who will be inducted in July. And Walker amassed them in 100 fewer games than Rice.
Of course, he did play at Coors (where his batting average was .100 points higher than other ballparks) …
In fact, Shearon argues, injuries cost Walker the equivalent of three full seasons. If he’d played those games, he believes Walker would have approached 500 home runs and 3,000 hits, both virtual guarantees of inclusion in the Hall of Fame — in the era before steroids, at least.
That’s another point in his favour. Walker, among the best power hitters of his time, was never linked to performance-enhancing drugs. In fact, when he was named to Canada’s Baseball Hall of Fame — he’ll be inducted in June — he said only half-jokingly that each time one of his contemporaries is tied to drug use, it improves his chances to make it to Cooperstown.
Well, that seals the deal for us. Especially since Rafael Palmeiro’s up that year, too.
Open and shut (Ottawa Citizen)
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March 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Tough shit department, line 1.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:49 pm
yeah im sure once they get past all the superstars that were on roids they will want to dig into the the sceond tier guys…guys like..larry walker for instance.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:49 pm
He isn’t *that* far off, though. Just don’t see him making it.
Has a better case than McGwire, for instance, even setting steroids aside.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
so when does “intern bill” return?
March 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
ha! from 96 to 2001 his injury shortened seasons were followed by monster seasons. how does that happen w/o PEDs?
anyway, if you’re compared to jim rice, don’t expect a call right away.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:52 pm
mcgwire has the intangible vote. every baseball fan will remember 1998’s home run chase, steroids or not. that goes a long way in my book.
oh yea, fuck bert blyleven.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
All I know is he was on that insane 1994 Expos team.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:56 pm
It’s already watered-down enough with Kirby and Gary Carter being in there. Might as well let him in.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I can’t possibly the only one bored to tears by baseball HOF debates, can I?
March 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pm
The only reason he was never tied to steroids was that he played for the Expos and people forgot he even existed. Once he went to Colorado and started “weight training” with Bichette, Castilla, Helton and the boys, all bets are off. No way he’s in the HOF
March 31st, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Really? To compare the stats without mentioning steroids, Walker is .313/.400/.565, whereas McGwire is .263/.394/.588…and has 200 more HR’s.
Definitely think McGwire would have a better case for the HoF if you ignore the ‘roids. Hell, McGwire would’ve probably been first ballot if the steroid issue hadn’t blown up before his first year of eligibility.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pm
If Walker performed at the level he did and he did it someplace other than Colorado, then yes. But, since his numbers are proven to be inflated by Coors Field, then no. Easy call.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Right. And Walker played a tougher position better. McGwire loses a ton of value for being a dogshit fielder and playing a weaker position.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:05 pm
the only people i see getting in from the steroid era is guys who have incredible,eyepopping numbers and have never been linked to roids…i.e. griffey jr.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm
damn you clown. you really hate kirby.
/sniffles.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Not a HOFer.
He also inspired the Dodgers-Cardinals playoff handshake. I still think that was one of the cooler moments in recent baseball memory.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:06 pm
McGwire loses a ton of value for being a dogshit fielder and playing a weaker position.
agreed. McGwire did one thing: hit home runs. He couldn’t field, couldn’t hit for average, and struck out a lot. Once the steroids thing came out, his one strength was diminished.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I’m going to dispel the Larry Walker Argument with one stat line. Career numbers in Coors Field.
.381/.462/.710 1.172 OPS 154 HR 521 RBI
He did not hit like that anywhere else. Without Coors Field, he’s probably more similar to the guy in Montreal hitting .280-.300 with a .370-.380 OBP with 15-25 HR. That’s a fine player, but not great, particularly for someone going in solely for his hitting.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:21 pm
WAR is park-adjusted, and Larry Walker is much higher on the career list than McGwire.
Every player higher than 72 WAR is in the HOF (or will be, assuming Bonds goes), for reference.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Without even looking up the rest of his b-r page, I can look at just this [.263/.394/.588] and tell you that he did more than just one thing well. That’s a little bit unfair.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:24 pm
probably should have let you have this one, Duffy. you’re pretty on-point with all things HOF.
me? frankly, i have no horse in this race. i just liked the canadian aspect, and the chance to take a swipe at that fraud raffy.
got some canadian friends. good people.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Kristin Kreuk is Canadian. Thank you, Canucks.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:27 pm
One thing I noticed a-boat Hall of Fame blog posts is if you don’t know what you’re talking a-boat, you’ll be so-ree.
/love that Canadian accent.
March 31st, 2009 at 5:28 pm
i think we should start making up ways to keep stats like atcpw
Average Toenails Clipped Per Week
if your player has above 20 toenails clippers per week in his career he is in the hall of fame. vorp,obp+avg…jeez it gets old
March 31st, 2009 at 5:28 pm
WAR is park-adjusted
WAR? What is it good for? Absolutely nothin’. Say it again
/Edwin Starr’d
March 31st, 2009 at 5:33 pm
/Elaine Benes’d?
March 31st, 2009 at 5:44 pm
It gets old because it is factual?
March 31st, 2009 at 5:50 pm
no it gets old because it does. the ppeople in the hall of fame were in there before alot of these new stats were invented and they usually have a crazy high whatever new stat for their career. so how do these new stats make anything better?
March 31st, 2009 at 5:52 pm
kristin kreuk needs to eat a triple whopper. shes stunning in the face but shes lacking in the goods. shes rail thin in euro trip and im sure she looks the same now
March 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Because the old metrics sucked, and new ones are a better gauge of how good a player actually is/was.
March 31st, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Because the old metrics sucked, and new ones are a better gauge of how good a player actually is/was.
Exactly. Though some players, even by the old metrics, don’t belong in the Hall.
I’m looking at you Bill Mazeroski.
March 31st, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Baseball is entirely statistical. Everything is accounted for on the scoresheet, and everything can theoretically be measured. The new numbers are an attempt to understand baseball better. To isolate and evaluate a player’s performance. Some of the formulas don’t work perfectly, but that’s an argument for improving them not for doing away with them all together.
It can be confusing, but when I use them, I usually try to explain what it is and why.
If you are a baseball fan, why would you have a problem with that?
March 31st, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Walker was never linked to serious? Are we just going to ignore that all his big name teammates were linked to steroids? Alou, Bichette, Castilla, Galarraga, Helton… Almost the entire late 90s Rockies team was widely believed to have taken steroids. What about his Brady Anderson type year in 1997, when at the age of 30 he hit 13 more HR than his previous career high. This has to be an early April Fools article.
March 31st, 2009 at 6:40 pm
After steroids, Todd Helton went from hitting like Lou Gehrig to hitting like Lou Merloni
March 31st, 2009 at 7:51 pm
This tells me that WAR isn’t much use to me. Coors is a statistical outlier and needs to be adjusted as such. Walker was a .290/.300 hitter with 20-25 dingers. Nice stats, to be sure, but not HOF worthy.
IF Walker’s Rockies would have won more (a Series or 2 would have been nice), then I would start believing Walker is a HOF.
Defense and a walk-off World Series clinching HR is all I need. Dude was the best defensive 2B of his time (and likely one of the best ever) and was one of few players to walk off with a clinching dinger.
And, yes, I think Don Larsen belongs, even if it was 1 game. That is a Fame worthy. Perfect games are no fluke.
March 31st, 2009 at 8:04 pm
But Wally, you have to take into account how many runs better Walker was than McGwire defensively.
As for Mazeroski, he is the best defensive 2B ever, but I don’t think he ever had an average season with the bat.
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