Another Baseball Cheater? Manny Ramirez Suspended 50 Games After Testing Positive for PEDs*
Baseball, Drugs May 7th. 2009, 11:51am
Via the LA Times:
Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended 50 games starting today, The Times has learned.
(12:39 UPDATE: Manny’s statement below.)
Manny didn’t test positive for steroids according to his agent, Scott Boras. So far, the story is that Manny went to a doctor in Miami who prescribed him something (for personal use), which triggered the positive test. Gammons: “Manny was absolutely devastated by this.”
* The suspension will cost him $7.7 million, per Sportscenter.
* He’s eligible to be back July 3.
* As someone noted in the comments: Here were Jose Canseco’s comments on Manny a month ago. Not a direct hit, but he’ll probably get credit anyway.
* As noted by a reader: The comments over at ESPN are quite humorous. The story’s barely 30 minutes old and it has nearly 700 comments. [Unreal: Nearly 2,200 comments already. Story broke around 11:45-ish.]
* Baseball prospectus says the failed test happened during spring training, and the doctor prescribed the drug to him in January.
* So far, it doesn’t appear as if Manny will appeal the suspension. Things that make you go hmmmm?
* Statement from Manny, via Sportscenter: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to Mr. McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, Mr. Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I’m sorry about this whole situation.”
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May 7th, 2009 at 11:53 am
what a jackass.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:53 am
TBL quickly shelved the story he was gonna post in this spot.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am
so, is it gonna be steroids or some wack supplement, either way this is a huge blow to the best pure hitter in the game…
May 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am
HOLY SHIT!!
May 7th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Fuck. FUCKING FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:56 am
haha, nice!
i knew the whole manny being manny and portraying himself as an idiot savant was a cover for taking PED’s in case he eventually got caught.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:56 am
is there a major offensive star in the last 15 years whose #’s haven’t been tainted?
baseball’s so full of cheaters.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:57 am
griffey jr. annnnnd no one.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:58 am
That’s just Manny being Manny.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Manny should use the same cousin BS story that A-rod went with
who are the great baseball non-frauds of the last 15 years?
May 7th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Gwynn, Griffey… Paul O’neil????
May 7th, 2009 at 11:59 am
So this 50 number is interesting. I thought first offense was like 10. 50 is for first offense?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
manny the fraud: one of the greatest right-handed hitters in baseball history?
Ha. what a joke.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
yup, 50, 100, season.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Griffey Jr, Pujols.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy’s careers keeps looking better…
May 7th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
LA times guy (on ESPN) said he went to a doctor, and received a medicine that triggered the test.
that’s the company line, apparently.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
the oracle was right again.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
This maybe a topic for another day, but @TBL: you think you beat the “major sites” to this story if it wasn’t for twi**er
May 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
if canseco said the sun rises in the west i’d believe it.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I would throw Thome in there as well.
/as NOT a steriod user
May 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Gammons, via Boras:
went to a doctor in miami, got a prescription, it was OK … and the drug violated baseball’s drug policy.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
garbage.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I am shocked that a Boston team won because of a cheater
/Patriots
May 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Manny Being Barry
/zing
May 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
damn, 50 games, there goes some fantasy season
/not surprised.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
This story is being covered in a frighteningly rapid pace, we already got a story from Boras… sketchy at the least
May 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
apparently not. good job manny. hope you didn’t have any termination clauses in your contract related to PED usage.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Canseco was right again
May 7th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
what kind of idiot takes PED’s now
May 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
irish-did he claim Manny was roiding? i don’t remember hearing that, but I didn’t follow much of his 2nd book.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Albert Pujols
May 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
This just exposes the Mitchell report for the fraudulent piece of shit it is: a report given by a Red Sox board member going after as many Yankees and ex-Yankees as possible while not naming any Red Sox or former Red Sox players.
/waiting for the Ortiz shoe to drop.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
How’s that club option looking now? Dodgers should be grateful they didn’t hand him a four-year guaranteed deal. As a Sox fan, this doesn’t make me happy. As a staunch supporter of traveling secretaries, however, it makes me ecstatic.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
no kidding.
/Ortiz
May 7th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
@sparty- read #18 comment
May 7th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
tommy p, how does Ramirez failing a drug test now have anything to do with the Mitcell report? Should Joba’s mother have been in the Mitchell Report too?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
anyone really think pujols is clean? i know there isnt any evidence, but color me skeptical
May 7th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
why not just use HGH? easy to get. prob the same doc that gave him whatever this is. go to some anti-aging clinic and cut the check.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
went to a doctor in miami, got a prescription, it was OK … and the drug violated baseball’s drug policy.
If it violated baseball policy, then I guess it really wasn’t an Ok prescription. And how is it possible at this point, especially with the JC Romero situation last year, that players do not know the list yet of what is banned and what is not?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Miguel Cabrera
May 7th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Chipper Jones
May 7th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Irish-thanks, missed that.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
hm, all the sources in the mitchell report were mainly in the NY metro area, it would make sense there was a limited amount of players from other teams on there.
anyway, did it really affect you that much to take such offense to it?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Do not think the Ortiz show is going to drop this season with 0 hr and batting around .220
May 7th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
how is manny failing a drug test now relevant to his time at the red sox?
he didn’t test positive at all in his years there..only in the offseason/early season of him trying to get a contract
May 7th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Id like to think Griffey didnt (and I dont) but look at his teammates- ARod, Edgar, Buhner.
Same with Thome but look at Manny and Belle.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Right now, the spin is spiraling rather quickly, so I don’t believe any of it. One can only conclude that if he got nailed for this now, he must have a history of doing it. If you use that conjecture with anyone named in any report (which has been happening all along), all players now are subject to it, even if the failure of the drug test happened yesterday.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
anyone really think pujols is clean? i know there isnt any evidence, but color me skeptical
im with you
May 7th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
agreed. And it’s too bad because now a player can’t be good without people being skeptical. Way of the world.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
cut the check
Cutting checks is what got Tejada in trouble. Check and credit card transactions are trackable. Cash transactions are not.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
i think he’s clean.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
also manny was hitting like .200 with the sox last year..and then jumped for a ridiculous 2nd half with the dodgers
May 7th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
griffey has been hurt too much for me to believe he was on stuff.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
do you guys really think Pujols is clean? Color me skeptical
May 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
He has a player option next year.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Manny hit like .300 with Boston last year. You are in denial BSSM.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
pujols may not be clean, but the fact he has less strike outs than home runs this year shows he’s more than just power…that guy is a great hitter with a great eye.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Brian Regan is clean.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
sorry to repeat myself. my browser sucks
May 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Why do people even care? everyone did drugs. Now let’s spend 100 million so congress can investigate the “integrity of the game”
May 7th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
And how many other athletes have gotten “prescriptions” from pharmacies in Florida…. would be more believable if it was a prescription written by the Dodgers’ team doctor, or another doctor in LA, but Miami?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Damn, and I thought Manny was going to carry my fantasy baseball team, “Ten Cent Beer Night”.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
One can only conclude that if he got nailed for this now, he must have a history of doing it.
That’s fine. But this development is no reason to don your skirt and start whining about some Mitchell report yankee conspiracy. As someone said, the sources were McNamee and Radomski, who, you may have heard, worked for the Mets and Yankees.
As a Sox fan, I assume they have players who’ve used PEDs. They just haven’t been caught yet.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I guess Favre just got bumped…
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
si.com has a pretty good explanation for the suspension and what guidelines he failed to qualify for to use the PED’s legally under the baseball program.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/07/manny/index.html
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
denial? no body in boston likes this guy anymore, i’m not trying to defend the guy at all..i’m just saying a positive test now, in his later years
doesnt necessarily translate into his earlier years..although it could very well be the case
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Yep…another chance for me to say “Who cares?”
They all took ‘em. Many of them are still taking them. I don’t care.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
be back july 3 – just in time to be fresh and lead the dodgers to the series.
/always look on the bright side of life.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Just backs up what I’ve been saying all along, we should just call Derek Jeter the best player of the last 20 years and call it a day.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I remember long ago when the first talk of McGwire being on the juice started. Everybody said that because he was hurt so much it was anecdotal proof he was using. Being hurt too much doesn’t have anything to do with somebody taking steroids or not.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Sparty I was thinking the same thing. Manny may have derailed FAVRE WATCH ‘09!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
unless there’s a paper trail to determine prior PED use for Manny, it’s impossible to say without a shadow of a doubt Manny used steroids before he was caught.
it’s suspicious, but not fact.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
why would manny go to a “doctor in Florida”
i can’t wait to hear the spin
May 7th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
where does he stay in the offseason?
if manny wants to get cleared, he needs to come clean about what he took. hell, i’d trot the doctor out if the doctor was willing to do so
May 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
That’d the good news. Cue Breet Favre, just came in from a game of touch football and throwing frisbee with the dog 2while mowing his lawn. He is about to bang Deanna from the back while holding a gun to her head while she calls him the best (per his request). He throws on the old internet before his act of manhood and slowly drops his coffe mug to the ground in the shock of knowing he will not be a front page story no matter what he does for at least the next week. Enter Favre:
Favre: Get me Bus Cook on the phone. Now
Deanna: “What’s the matter honey” (As she pulls the purple 4 jersey slowly back down over her shoulder
Favre: Tell Bus cook whatever needs to be set up for a big nfl unretirement press conference… SET THAT SHIT UP!!!!!
End Scene.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Weston FL TBL
May 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
did you know mcgwire hit 52 hr in 130 games in 96? crazy.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I think PEDs should be legal.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Does anyone else think it is stupid for baseball to put the responsibility totally on the player and his doctor? Why don’t they have a pharmacist and/or doctor that the player’s or their doctors can call and ask is it OK for me to take medicine A, B or C?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
If it matters at all, I could swear he has a house in florida, didnt he live in a hotel suite in boston his whole career?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@TBL Manny lives in Florida in the offseason.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
To Griffey and Thome:
If you are on steroids just fucking retire. You will both be portrayed as heroes in the media for being the best hitters of your era to not be linked to steroids. It is not worth hitting 50 more career home runs to risk getting caught.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Limit responsibility and liability. If there are MLB approved doctors, and if those doctors have any inclination to do something illegal, it is MLB’s fault, period. They dont want to bring that shit in house. That would be terrible.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
link?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Weston is nice.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
He probably has a PPO, not an HMO.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
i believe they do have people they can contact to confirm what is considered illegal. i’m sure there would a whole lot of law suits from players if MLB didn’t provide that kind of service and had hundreds of different types of PEDs on a list somewhere.
I know the NFL does.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
This feels like when I found out wrestling wasn’t real.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Weston is real nice
May 7th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
so ruland gardner really didnt get frostbite?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
The MLB Players Association should have one not the MLB. I would seriously hope that the MLBPA does.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
+1, Lance
May 7th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
@wilhelmreems – If that’s true then how does this happen?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It all comes back to the shady testing policy. I guarantee this comes back as come small chemical that shows up in some vitamin that Manny takes. Has anyone ever heard of Manny even training? No. Why would someone who doesn’t train or give a shit take PEDs? The story makes no sense. The banned substance list is the worst thing MLB has done in response to steroid use. Many natuaral vitamin contain things that would fail baseball’s PED list.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Your opinions are all fine and dandy, but what does Curt Schilling think about all of this?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Manny released statement – posted up top
May 7th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
it happens b/c the story is garbage. it would happen a whole lot more if there wasn’t some sort of service available, from MLB or the MLBPA, letting players know what to take and what not to take.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
yeah, you’re right, just looked that up.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
This is awesome.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@Lance – “It’s real to me, damn it.”
May 7th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
shouldnt the union be a clearing house for all players to run their scripts through? what the hell would his personal doc know about the banned substances list? was he given a copy, skimmed it, and decided that his script was ok?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
bad time to say Kobe’s going to get off the hook? 3 hrs this AM everywhere of Kobe’s elbows, and now Manny steals the day’s thunder.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
For what’s it worth, he has spoken to the media, apologized and told us something that is actually very plausible… if he din’t have a reputation for being a total wack job and a “horrible teammate” the public disdain for this would be lower than its going to be.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
MLB is run worse than the NBA playoffs. May Bud Selig die slow. Jesus Christ.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
lets say somehow this guy is telling the truth and what he took wasn’t a steroid at all
does he ever lose this stigma?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Surprised that Tampa didn’t mention this, but…
Frank Thomas anyone? The guy that led the charge against steroids early on? He never tested positive. Great numbers and probably one of the best right handed hitters of all time.
Is it stupid to mention Sosa? He never tested positive but he’s obviously guilty in the court of public opinion…
May 7th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Irish- Rafer is gonna get suspended. seriously. that isn’t good.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
@sparty- link?
May 7th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
If a tree falls in the forest does it make a noise?
And regarding Jeter, just to prove to hook nose, or crooked nose or whoever, my Yankee love does not preclude me from suspecting him as a user as well. If word ever got out that he did do them, it would not surprise me in the least.
Mo Rivera, on the other hand…
May 7th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Bill Plaschke (sp?) is just going off about Manny on SC. I don’t normally like the guy, but he is on fire today. He is calling for the Dodgers to just dump manny now.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Frank Thomas… the last MLB hero.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
bill plaschke just went on sportscenter and ripped the shit out of manny.
“i am sick of him, period. what’s going on with Scott Boras’s clients?”
May 7th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
WOW youre a fucking mind reader.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
TBL he then went on and defended Bryant. Bill had me on his side until that last part and then he lost me again.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
don’t have one yet. same person that told me dwight was getting suspended told me this.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Frank Thomas. I know that a few people have mentioned him, but to think of what he put up, clean, is staggering. He was a top 2 or 3 hitters for years and was doing it sans PEDs. He was a fucking stud.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
@sparty- like i said this AM, i wouldnt be surprised. Here is what Rafer had to say
“He shot an elbow at me, to my stomach, and it was just a natural reaction. But I have no hard feelings toward Eddie at all,” Alston said. To the question of whether he’s concerned he’ll be suspended for Game 3 Friday, Alston said: “I’m concerned, but that’s something I can’t do much about now. If the NBA is cool and they look at the play in its entirety, they’ll see that he threw the elbow first at my stomach.”
May 7th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Good Day for Big Frank. Fuck Manny that PED Bitch.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Pujols is still lieing about his age
May 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Open-handed slap? that may call for a big fine. who knows?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Again… the crime doesn’t fit the personality. Look at the major players who have been somehow connected to PEDs: A-Rod, Clemens, Bonds, McGuire (sp?), Sosa, etc… They all are either workout machines or only bring the long ball to the table. Manny doesn’t fall in either of those categories. Until the exact substance he tested positive for is released, he shouldn’t be in this conversation.
/Hates the Sawx and Dodgers
May 7th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Tampa- Grew up going to Sox games. I remember his MVP season and when McDowell won the Cy Young the following year.
Still a Cubs fans though. Has nothing to do with mention of Sosa…
May 7th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
The only clean players in major league baseball are Jason Tyner and the San Diego Chicken.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
@hernia- What was wrong with Damon last night? he should have tagged up
May 7th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
are you kidding me? he is known for his offseason workout routine. Gammons talks about it all the time.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Manny doesn’t fall in either of those categories. Until the exact substance he tested positive for is released, he shouldn’t be in this conversation.
Ill, I’m not sure I see the validity in that logic: Manny is unique. Manny is not like other famous PED users, therefore Manny didn’t use PED?
I agree that we should not rush to judge *ahem* Plaschke *ahem*, but trying to fit personality to PED usage is dicey at best. There’s been a host of players who most fans have barely heard of that test positive and that is the apex of their fame, because they do not bring much of anything to the table talent wise.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I used to be a Sosa fan. He broke my heart on June 3 200?. I was at the ESPN Zone Chicago. His bat broke and they found cork. Next day I bought a Shirt with the Cubs logo without the Cubs instead it said Cork. Cubs are frauds. I hope they never win.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
@sparty, Never heard of any weight training routine with Manny, not including batting practice.
@ms621, You’re right, that’s flawed logic. I don’t mean to say that he’s exempt from possible steriod use because he’s not like the other big names associated with roids. I just don’t see the purpose in a public stoning when the banned substance list includes multiple substances that aren’t necessarily considered performance enhancing.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I’d love to get a hold of the list of banned substances that each sport is currently testing for. I’m not one to stick up for players very often but this is starting to get out of hand.
I understand it’s these guys responsibility to monitor what they put in their bodies. But let’s be honest people, athletes aren’t the brightest crayons in the box.
/get out your pitchforks and torches
May 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
@ms621, You’re right, that’s flawed logic. I don’t mean to say that he’s exempt from possible steriod use because he’s not like the other big names associated with roids. I just don’t see the purpose in a public stoning when the banned substance list includes multiple substances that aren’t necessarily considered performance enhancing.
I agree 100%. Let’s hear what the prescription was and what the doctor says–if both he and Manny are willing to waive doctor-patient confidentiality–before we cast judgment.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
well look for the dodgers to fold like a………….folding chair
May 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
GODDAMNIT!!! THERE GOES MY ETHIER NUMBERS FOR THE NEXT 50 GAMES!! NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO BOMB THIS FINAL….
/6 year college program’d
May 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Manny is known among baseball people for obsessively going to the gym every morning. If you see him in normal clothes, he is jacked.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
You’re right, that’s flawed logic. I don’t mean to say that he’s exempt from possible steriod use because he’s not like the other big names associated with roids. I just don’t see the purpose in a public stoning when the banned substance list includes multiple substances that aren’t necessarily considered performance enhancing.
A bit of a prediction. In the future when we are looking back on the steroid era we are going to be struck with the media’s misguided double standard in destroying guys who took steroids and completley ignoring other drugs which prove to have much more tangible benefits to playing baseball (like improving reflexes, providing energy boosts, and helping maintain focus.)
May 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
TBL’s BFF Cowherd sounds like he just got punched in the stomach. First A-Rod, now Manny. Who’ll be next on his list of “altar boys” to be outed?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I’m glad Big Frank eventually was brought up. It’s too bad the latter half of the 94 season was wiped out. He was on pace to put up some absurd numbers (even for steroids era) but waas cut short.
In 113 games Frank put up an absolutely sick line. 106 R, 141 H, 34 2B, 38 HR, 101 RBI, 109 BB, .353 AVG, .487 OBP, .729 SLG, and 1.217 OPS. Over a 165 game season, those number would be even more impressive. Over a full season he would have put up 155 R, 206 H, 50 2B, 55 HR, 147 RBI, and 159 BB’s. That was all good for a 211 (!!) OPS+.
In my opinion, the best pure hitter of his generation (Pujols, I consider to be the next generation)
May 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
or a 162 game season even
May 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Yeah, here Nick
May 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Haha, Manny was on a woman’s fertility drug
May 7th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Good catch Mrejr, still shaking out the cobwebs this morning (I’m on the West Coast these days) Those counting stats should be 151 R, 202 H, 48 2B, 54 HR, 145 RBI, 156 BB
May 7th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
just picking nits jeeves. but yes frank was a fucking beast.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
According to at least two sources, the PED Manny allegedly took was hCG, a woman’s fertility drug, that is often used in combination with anabolic steroids.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Griffey was in Frank’s generation. he had 40 homers in ‘94 if I remember right…
May 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Griff I’d say was a better home run hitter, but Thomas hit for both power and average. Looking at the stats, Griffey’s best averages were in the .320’s wheras Thomas was in the .350’s.
And yes, yes I know average isn’t a great stat for measuring effectiveness, so in terms of OBP Thomas got as high as .487, (which is crazy, he got on base nearly half the times he went up to the plate) and Griffey ever got as high as .408.
And Mrejr, it was a good nit to pick, I hate when I quote incorrect stats y’know unlike Serena Roberts…mmm, topical