Mark McGwire, Steroids, Hall of Fame, All That …
Uncategorized November 29th. 2006, 7:06pm
Didn’t surveys die at the last Presidential election? Or was that exit polling? While we were out yesterday, the Associated Press reported a survey of 20% of Hall of Fame voters indicated only 1 in 4 were willing to vote for slugger Mark McGwire into the HOF this year.
This is a story? Hey, there are 500 Hall of Fame voters out there (give or take a few), and we polled 100 of them! Pathetic.
Since people seem to be discussing it, we’ll chime in, and then open it to the masses for your far more insightful thoughts in the comments (hey, it was fun on the College Football thread Monday).
In our jaded eyes, Mark McGwire is no Hall of Famer. Not now, not next year, and not in three years. He’s a glorified Dave Kingman. He was a one-dimensional player who wasn’t a particularly good hitter (.263 career average), was a poor defensive 1st baseman, and seemed to disappear in the postseason (3 World Series appearances, .188 average, 1 HR, 2 RBI; his career postseason average was .217). We’ll stop short of saying that we’d vote in well-rounded Jose Canseco in over McGwire at the risk of being ostricized.
Do we think McGwire will get in? Despite Tim Kirkjian’s best efforts, no. Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn are mortal locks. And we haven’t seen this point brought up yet, but in the last 21 years, only twice have three players been inducted (1999 – Nolan Ryan, George Brett, Robin Yount; 1991 – Rod Carew, Gaylord Perry, Fergie Jenkins). Our darkhorse this year? Daunte Bichette. Just because.
One of the best blog posts we’ve seen in the topic came from the Martini Republic:
In another 4 years, Rafael Palmiero will be on the ballot. He has actually been proven to use steroids by testing — after denying that he used them. His career marks would ordinarily be automatic — 500 home runs and 3000 hits, to go along with 1835 rbi.
But Palmiero was never a popular player, and made only 4 All Star squads. The combined effects of both lying about steroid use and getting caught may prove too much for some voters to swallow.
But for now, McGwire is the canary in the anabolic coal mine. His candidacy will set a threshold of sorts for other would-be “locks” who dabbled with chemical additives. If McGwire, who at the time of breaking Maris’s season HR mark was immensely popular, almost mythical, can be denied, then Palmiero may as well just kiss his chances goodbye.
Lots of bloggers are worked into a lather over the issue, so take in all the opinions, form your own, and then tell us about it in the comments.
Anabolic Meets Cooperstown (Martini Republic)
Say it Ain’t So? (Life on the Wicked State: Act 2)
(Baseball Hall of Fame)
A no vote for McGwire (Boston Globe)
Mark McGwire for the Hall of Fame (Dodger Thoughts)
A Look at the Baseball Hall of Fame 2007 Candidates (The Serious Tip)
Gwynn, Ripken only Hall shoo-ins (San Diego Union Tribune)
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November 29th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
Dan Patrick brought up the cheater Gaylord Perry in yesterday’s DP Show. Gaylord is laughed about when you bring up he cheated, but he admittedly cheated all the damn time. Mac was technically within the rules of baseball (not the rules of society), so I’m not against it on principle……just the .263 average.
November 29th, 2006 at 9:41 pm
I don’t think he is a hall of famer either, but must disagree with you on a few points. He was actually a very good defensive first baseman, at least early in his career and won a gold glove legitimately in 1990. He also has a career .394 OBA which balances out the low average some and is not what I would characterize as one dimensional.
December 3rd, 2006 at 4:46 am
You’re spot on with the Dave Kingman comparison. Even though he had nearly 600 home runs, he only had about 1600 hits. That shows that he’s not the well-rounded player that all other members of the 500 HR club are.
Frank Robinson? One of the top 10 players of all time. Mike Schmidt, in addition to being a great hitter, was one of the best fielding third basemen of all time. Reggie Jackson came up huge when the stakes were the highest. McGwire is clearly an anomaly here, and not in a flattering way. Even if you’re not considering the steroid issue, I don’t think he’s a Hall of Famer.