The Five Worst Starters Left in the NBA Playoffs
NBA May 15th. 2009, 2:30pm
5. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavaliers. There were many names for this final spot: Trevor Ariza of the Lakers. Kenyon Martin of the Nuggets. Big Baby Davis of the Celtics. Hell, constantly-chucking Ron Artest nearly took the honor. But we went with Z because he’s painfully slow, does nothing great (but everything good), and we had to have a Cavalier on the list, or there’d be a mutiny.
4. Dhantay Jones, Nuggets. Good, but not great defensive player. Nice dunker. Plays the minutes of a reserve, but starts just so JR Smith can check into the game in his Vinnie Johnson role.
3. Rafer Alston, Magic. Has very good assist-to-turnover stats this postseason (52-to-16), and isn’t shooting terribly from three (32 percent). Our issues are his shot selection (beyond poor) and leadership. If Jameer Nelson were healthy, the Magic would have won this series.
2. Derek Fisher, Lakers. Longtime D Fish fan, so this one hurts. But he’s clearly lost a step, as evidenced by his inability to defend little Aaron Brooks. Plus, he’s lost his shooting touch: Fisher is 3-for-17 in the last three games, and just 1-for-14 against the Rockets on three’s. And he was suspended for this cheap shot.
1. JJ Redick, Magic. Sorry, man. You’ve sculpted those guns quite nicely over the last two years, and at times, when the jumper’s falling, it’s like Duke all over again. But lately, those times have been few-and-far between (3-for-25 in the last four games). On the plus side, the faux hawk looks terrific.
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May 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
funny that 2 of these players are starting because of injuries. life is a bitch
May 15th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Z? Big Baby over him are you serious
May 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
If D-Fish isn’t careful he will be the reason the Lakers fet dumped before the Finals. He has looked atrocious when it counts. What’s funny about Redick is that I hate Duke with a passion and could not stand him when he was there, but for some reason I find myself pulling for him.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I heard he does a great Urkel impression
May 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Chuck Hayes starts for the Rockets. He should be on this list.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
If KG were healthy there woulnd’t be any Magic players on this list at all.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Z? Please. If you wanted to include Sideshow Bob, I’d disagree, but could understand it.
FAIL.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
dude can shoot lights out.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
i know Z is hard to appreciate, but he’s a damn fine player. name another center who can drill 18 footers. Z is a very underrated offensive rebounder (critical), has a great low post game, is one of the best passing big men and his length can give forwards problems.
if we’re going by playoff performances only…mo would’ve been the better cav to pick just because, even when Z doesn’t hit his shots, he still contributes. mo has had stretches of invisibility.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Chuck Hayes, Aaron Brooks, basically everyone in Houstons starting lineup is worse than Z. Battier? That guy averages like 5 points a game during the season.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
If Jameer Nelson were healthy, the Magic would have won this series
I didn’t know the series is over
May 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Said the same thing during last night’s Bruins game TBL, and the pressies threw the KG thing in my face. All things considered, if KG is sitting and Nelson is healthy, Orlando wins in 5. Alston’s awful shot selection, stupid T’s, and crappy defense have KILLED them in this series. Anthony Johnson has done well against Rondo too, which makes you wonder why SVG won’t make a switch.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
When I saw the headline I knew Dhantay would be on it. Rightfully so. He simply fills a roster spot so JR Smith can give a spark off the bench.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
JJ and Dhantay both play good defense. Ray allen is 5-22 (2-12 from 3) last two games and is not getting to the line because good d is played without fouling (3 fta in orlando series vs 5.4 fta in chitown).
May 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Faggle?
May 15th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Well all things considered, if Jordan was still in his prime, then the Bulls would have beat the C’s in round one. This shit’s almost as bad as Faker fans and their no Bynum and Ariza argument last year. Oh really your pu$$y-ass team lost by 36 in Game Six of a not-very-competetive series and it’s because of freaking Bynum and Ariza??
/Had to get that off my chest
May 15th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I almost fell out of my seat reading this. Ray Allen is in a funk, but please let’s not figure JJ’s Redickulously bad defense into the equation.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Walfredo you have been saying that shit all day. Fuck Boston.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Not sure what ‘funk’ Ray Ray is in, but he is shooting 1.000% from the FT line when NO ONE IS GAURDING HIM in the series. JJ has been fighting through the screens well to keep him in check.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
i hope paul pierce goes 0-30 in game 7. hes a fucking bitch
May 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
At least we now know Redick’s mom’s screen name.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
petrius is listed as a shooting guard, how does reddick get the nod over him at 2 guard when lee isnt there? I understand that petrius is a better slasher than shooter but they already have lewis and hedo for outside shooting. It just seems stupid.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
SM – Good defense, yes. But i didn’t include Ariza on this list (or D West) because i feel both play better defense.
your top 5 would be?
May 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
let us enjoy the suckiness of Boston.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
LeBron.
/CurseCleveland’d
May 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
and shard’s listed as a PF…what’s your point?
May 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Bo I will continue to say it as long as people bring up the “If they had Jameer” argument. It makes no fucking sense.
I guess I gotta just cue up some Wayman Tisdale bass-playin on itunes and chill on this Friday afternoon…
May 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
when do we get into the Tim Duncan is a center discussion?
May 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Timmay made ALL NBA second team as a PF. Yao was the center on the 2nd team. so…..
May 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Hey I only recognize us as 0-1 last night, as hockey doesn’t matter and baseball doesn’t matter until basketball is over.
/Rose-colored glasses
May 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
TBL -
Can you kindly enter Chuck Hayes as a replacement for Z and be done with it? The Friday Lists are great, as noted by the outstanding commentary today, but Z is not even worth arguing. It’s not even close.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
If the Magic had Jameer, this series would be over
/kidding dude
May 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
i’m just saying they have enough capable players that they don’t need to give reddick any significant minutes at 2 guard, thats all.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I would have Hayes replace Z and I think Ariza over Dhantay(if your going by just this current playoff run).
My comment on JJ is that he is not shooting well at all but he is still impacting the game in a very important manner.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
1. Chuck Hayes
2. Dhantay Jones
4. Derek Fisher
5. Skip to My Lou
3. JJ Redick
May 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
what discussion? that’s fact, lawya.
/waits for irish’s rebuttal
May 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
fires properly stoked.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
#29 fact
May 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
i dont get how people are saying big baby is terrible? he’s been on fire all playoffs. same with brooks, battier, and artest.
and LOL to JJ playing good defense.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
You didn’t include the guy that made Rip Hamilton and Joe Johnson look pretty pedestrian in the playoffs? Or the guy who’s shot 46/40/83 this year? And went ahead and upped that to 48/36/86 in the playoffs? How generous.
/It’s the same guy.
//The fact that you even considered Delonte makes this list bullshit and shows you haven’t seen a game or a boxscore this entire postseason.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I agree 100%, but I hope the Magic keep playing him.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
fix’d
May 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
It especially makes no sense when Boston’s got a KG in a suit, scowling on the bench.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
and LOL to JJ playing good defense
He isn’t?
May 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
more of ray ray missing shots than him playing good D, which he has never done and never will.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
The Cavs should play and go to Z more than they do. It seems like he gets 8-10 points early on pick and pops with LeBron, and they stop going to it without the other team stopping it. He plays good help defense and grabs boards as well.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
those looks ray allen is getting and missing are the same looks he always hits. Chasing Ray Allen is a job and a half. Pietrus isn’t doing any better/worse at it than Redick. Ray Allen is missing shots, but he’s getting separation on both guys.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
you gonna tell me that everyone was just playing good defense on Ray Allen last year in the playoffs when he fucking sucked too? the guy just wears down
May 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Saw this in McPaper. Throw it in some water, add a potato, and baby, you got a stew goin’.
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May 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
on Tim Duncan..
He plays in the center of that defense, and the goal is to funnel things to him. Defenders on that team can play aggressively, because he is such a good interior defender.
That said, when they play against a team with a true center, he doesn’t guard them right off. They give that job to somebody else, even if it’s a shorter guy. Technically, he doesn’t play center. He’s a dominant big man though.
He’s the exact opposite of Hakeem, a great power forward who played center his whole career.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
and i have no problem calling duncan a PF because that means he’s the greatest PF of all time and karl malone isn’t. if duncan’s a center, he’s top 5 of all time, but it’d be hard to put him above wilt or russell.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
and i have no problem calling duncan a PF
golf clap
May 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
im down for anything that downgrades karl malone, that jackass
May 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Yeah he was awful in the NBA Finals last year when he averaged 20.3 ppg, and shot over 50% from the floor and over 50% on threes.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
when they brought him in, he was definitely playing PF, right? Because David Robinson was playing center. And then, after Robinson retired, they still run the same defense with Duncan still doing the same job.
Therefore, he’s a PF, as he’s always been. But in a true center’s body.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
i meant leading up to that. he finally snapped out of the funk.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
kind of…
he was def a PF when robinson was there, no doubt. but when robinson left, duncan assumed the all-encompassing big man role. while he’s not a true center, he’s not a true PF either…but when the entire offense orbits around him, and the defense funnels everything his way, calling him a center is far more accurate in my opinion.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
How can you dog a Cleveland Cavs player when Kobe Bryant is still a starter in the playoffs?
May 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I just read on ESPN that Dirk wants to stay in Dallas, and isn’t threatening to opt out in the summer of 2010, yet.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Duncan is a “Big Man”.
/labeled to prevent childish fighting’d
May 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
duncan is THE man.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Duncan is a power forward, and he’s better than Karl Malone.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
want to know something funny. Not ha ha funny, but stupid funny.
Tim Duncan has never won NBA defensive player of the year. Never.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Dennis Rodman would have driven Duncan nuts.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
please. when has duncan EVER been rattled?
May 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
i disagree sparty. Olajuwon would have driven him nuts. Duncan is too good from mid range for a 6-8 guy to bother him at all.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
when joey crawford was going to beat that ass
May 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Olajuwon would drive every center in the NBA today nuts. No one has post moves like the Dream.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
do you remember how good Rodman was on defense? he guarded all the centers in the league at different times because he could frustrate the shit out of them. he rattled everyone.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
except for Olajuwon, he ate everyone up.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I’ll give Rodman credit for a whole bunch of stuff, and he could guard everybody from Ewing to Kemp to Jordan at various times. You could have put him on Duncan and he would have harassed Duncan, but Duncan would have done his thing. It would have been a mismatch.
True story, when Olajuwon was in his 2nd year, in the playoffs, he blocked a sky hook by Kareem in the first game of the conference finals, effectively stifling Kareem for the rest of that series. Kareem, for the first time ever, knew that even if he got his shot, Olajuwon had it timed, and could get it.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
there’s really only one way to clearly indicate how good Hakeem Olajuwon was.
When people talk about the 1984 draft, and mention the colossal mistake that Portland made by taking Sam Bowie, and not Michael Jordan, nobody ever says that Houston should have taken Jordan over Olajuwon. That’s how good he was.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
But Duncan would not have had to guard him because Duncan is a PF. Robinson, or Nazr Muhammad, or Francisco Elson, who whoever the Spurs Center at the time is, would have to guard The Dream.
The Dream was the shit.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
On a lesser scale, it’s kinda like the Nuggets taking Melo over Wade. Sure, Wade has been better, but Melo’s real nice too.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Robinson got owned, repeatedly, by Olajuwon. If they’d coincided, I think Duncan would have risen to the challenge, and tried to stop the Shake.
Kobe does the shake, you know. He watches film of Olajuwon. He stole the shake.
May 15th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I always hated that argument. The Blazers just drafted Drexler the year before. What the fuck would they do drafting two shooting guards in back to back years? The Blazers get a bad rap for that draft. They needed a big man and the Dream wasn’t available. Wasn’t Portland fault that he was the first coming of Greg Oden.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I won a drunken game of H-O-R-S-E a few weeks ago with a “Dream Shake” baseline fade-away. Even used it twice in the same game. Mad skills.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I know Mak. Portland was set. Sam Bowie had a history of breaking his legs, plural, but the conventional logic was that you always, always take the big man. And Olajuwon wanted to play with Drexler more than he wanted to play in Houston. And Houston tanked like crazy, and it was a simple coin flip that determined who got the first choice. No lottery, no frozen envelope, just a coin flip.
Sorry to have brought it up, but that’s the best way I know to indicate the greatness of Olajuwon, who is my favorite NBA player.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
big hakeem fan…he was the absolute tits. best post moves of all time.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
off-topic
jpq, did the Cuban missile crisis get as much coverage as Brett Farve offseasons?
May 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
That Hakeem owned Robinson is a bit of myth and built on one playoff series.
For their careers, Robinson was 30-12 versus Hakeem.
He averaged 20/11 on 48% shooting.
Hakeem averaged 22/11 but on just 44% shooting.
/science
May 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
In 94 and 95, there was a big 4 of Centers with Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, and Robinson. The Dream ran through the other 3 during Houston’s back to back run to get his rings. David Robinson should hate David Stern forever for giving him his MVP in front of the Dream. The Dream made him pay.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Can’t argue there but because it’s list day and I have given up on work…
Modern day best post moves? Gasol? Al Jefferson soon.
Old School?… McHale?
May 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
The great tank job Houston and Portland pulled off lead directly to the lottery we see today. Great job by both teams for changing NBA history!
May 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
hey nick, you gotta pre-date that to before Tim Duncan got there. Using that same site, Olajuwon is 0-10 as an old man versus Duncan, which is years dating from his being a 15 year veteran to a 17 year veteran.
Good info though, they were more even than I thought.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
modern day = al jeff for sure, duncan, yao, and for a SF, carmelo
old school = mchale, kareem, bill walton, and i always liked wes unseld’s from the few highlight packages ive seen
May 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Yeah, it’s not perfect, Dirt. Just a starting point.
Wish I could easily put in a date range.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
how many times did Hakeem and Robinson meet in the playoffs?
May 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Big ZZZZZZZ, spence.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
For post moves, I’ll make a list really fast, in no particular order. Olajuwon, McHale, Bernard King, Kareem (best shot ever), and old MJ.
Feel free to tweak it.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
yea, but zizzle’s moves are galacially slow, nick. tho he does have the 4 offensive rebound, tip in move patented at this point.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
young duncan + aging Robinson dominated the decrepit rockets. Young Olajuwon was way better.
I dont’ think that site includes playoff games, Nick.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
DJ Mbenga is the better than Duncan AND Olajuwon.
/ty’s other blog’d
May 16th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Not fair to compair, he used to be a guard before he grew.