Derek Fisher Will Haunt Stan Van Gundy’s Dreams, Forever; Dwight Howard Will Practice Free Throws, Religiously, For the Rest of the Summer
NBA June 12th. 2009, 10:00amESPN analyst Jeff Van Gundy: “What is Jameer Nelson thinking they’re going to do? … the players’ IQ always astounds me, not knowing the time, score and situation … what are you doing behind the 3-point line?”
Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy: “We thought 11 seconds was too early, especially the way we were shooting free throws. In retrospect, we gave [Fisher] too much space to shoot the ball. We played like we were trying to protect a layup. We just didn’t play Derek Fisher. Yes, I regret it now [not fouling]. … That play will haunt me forever.”
So we can’t crucify Jameer Nelson for not fouling with less than 10 seconds to play, though anyone watching last night certainly wished he had. Not seen on that video: Dwight Howard (16 points, 21 rebounds, 9 blocks) bricking two free throws just before the inbounds pass. All he needed was one to ice the game. The Magic sharted away a 5-point lead with less than a minute to go.
Devastating. Choke? (We’ll thought so last night; feel different having heard SVG’s no-foul strategy.)
Is there anything else to talk about? The series is over. You’re not winning three in a row from LA, including two on the road. Unless Kobe was lost to injury, that’s not happening. Remember when LeBron missed that 40-footer at the end of game four in the Eastern Conference semis? The Cavs went down 3-1 but it didn’t totally feel like the Cavs were done.
They were.
So are the Magic.
When Kobe’s supporting cast is dissected Sunday night after the Lakers sew up the series (or Tuesday), keep these two things in the back of your mind: The career clutchness and playoff experience of Derek Fisher, and how much money Trevor Ariza earns this summer.
If you’re a GM, and you’ve got Ariza, Hedo, and Lamar Odom all asking you for 4-year deals in July, who are you more likely to give your money to? Two of the guys will be 30 or older early next season; the other is rangy, defensive hawk who, when Kobe (32-8-7; close to our prediction of 30-8-8) needed a wingman in the third quarter with the Lakers trailing by 12, erupted for 13 points.
So Phil’s going to surpass Red’s record for Championships and Kobe’s going to get No. 4. But it was damn close to being 2-2.
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June 12th, 2009 at 10:02 am
OK – I have to leave for the rest of the day, was hoping for the hockey post. Let’s go Pens – good luck to the DET contingent (Sparty et. al.)
June 12th, 2009 at 10:05 am
No Skip to My Lou in the 4th qtr or OT?
Ladies and gents, I present SVG, Master of Panic.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Vick getting released
June 12th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Dwight Howard master of missing free throws.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:09 am
What is it with Orlando and free throws, it’s like a franchise curse
June 12th, 2009 at 10:09 am
It was damn close to being 3-1 for the other team. Weird Finals.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Didn’t realize you could carry in the NBA.
/just saw it for the first time
//Now I remember why I didn’t watch last night
June 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
No Skip to My Lou in the 4th qtr or OT?
Yeah that was a brilliant move wasn’t it? He just made sure Rafer doesn’t show up in game 5
June 12th, 2009 at 10:11 am
worst FT shooting team in the league showed its colors tonight.
master of panic: besides alston, the double teams were BIZARRE, and the not to foul … yeah, the dude failed last night.
on the plus side, 3 really good games in a row.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:11 am
And now we all forget Turkoglu missed 3 of 4 late in the 4th as well
/Bartman to Alex Gonzalex
//Cubs fan who’s still bitter
June 12th, 2009 at 10:12 am
classy play by Air France at the end of the game last night..
June 12th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Sooo many chances Orlando, make a damn free throw.
Luckily for Kobe history forgets how you won (ridiculously bad shot selection, 30% shooting, bad turnovers) and only remembers that you won.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Lakers are up 3-1 even while Kobe has done his customary shitty shooting.
Tough loss to swallow.
(twss)
June 12th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Nelson made such a dumb play. He should have fouled him, but if SVG said not to, than that’s not on him. But to back off that much is just boneheaded. Give him the lay up, but not a good look at a 3. Kobe looked a little rough last night in the fourth, but his numbers for the series are pretty sick (something like 33, 8, 7/game). I would like to see Orlando take game 5 just to make the series go a little longer (and becuase I said they would win games 3 and 5 and lose in 6).
June 12th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Didn’t realize you could carry in the NBA.
The lax enforcement of the carry rule is the reason I won’t be watching the rest of this series
June 12th, 2009 at 10:15 am
watching legler break it down on SC – phil jackson deserves props for diagramming the play.
- going full court
- used kobe as a decoy (great call – 2 guys went for him 80 feet from the hoop)
- resulted in 2-1 with jameer nelson having to make a call on what the hell to do
June 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Just like to point out that I called “King Fisher”, ESPN’s front page headline last night. I did not, however, come up with CBSSports far superior “Gold Fish.” Still, bow to me for thinking like a sports headline hack.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Lakers are up 3-1 even while Kobe has done his customary shitty shooting.
I think he was 11/30 last night, some of the shots were terrible decisions too
June 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Almost as Bad as Michael Jordan, 1998 scored 33 a game..shot 43% and added a whopping 4 rebounds and 2.3 assists…doing that with Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc and an aging Harper. Or Jordan in 1996, as he shot 42%, scored 27, and added only 5 rebounds and added only 4 assists (did the guy ever pass)?
Kobe’s having a better Finals than Jordan’s last three finals trips.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:18 am
@TBL…I watched a little bit of the post-game presser and Phil came off looking like a genius. How many coaches would have moved the ball to the front coutrt on that play? Using Kobe as a decoy was a ballsy, brilliant move.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I like that even when he win’s a title “on his own” the Kobe haters are out in full force. The lesson? Rape isn’t cool kids. Rape… not cool.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I agree with the no foul strategy, especially with the way the Magic missed FT’s in the 4th quarter. But, if that’s the case, then the players have to guarantee that a 3 pointer won’t go up without the guy getting covered like a wet blanket. Nelson looked worried that Fisher was going to go past him, which is exactly what the Magic wanted him to do.
Not sure that the Lakers’ play was diagrammed that way. However, crafty veteran Fisher knew he was going to pull that when Nelson backed away from him (or when he carried the ball).
Also, nice of DHo to start forgetting how to hit FT’s again after pillaging the Cavs from the stripe. Also nice of the Magic to stop making all of the wide open shots that they hit in the ECF.
/still bitter.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Silly cursed – don’t you know that stats are the be all and end all?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Kobe’s having a better Finals than Jordan’s last three finals trips.
You mean Jordan’s teams didn’t go 82-0 every year while he shot 100% from the field?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Is your point to prove that Jordan is overrated? Because bringing up his stats doesnt change the fact that Kobe has been horrible this series.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:26 am
43% > 30%
June 12th, 2009 at 10:26 am
To be fair, Jordan was 33, 34, and 35 in those last three years, while Kobe is 30. But Kobe coming in as a 17 year old kind of adds mileage I would say.
So not necessarily a fair comparison, although I’d say MJ was fortunate to play two very undermanned Utah teams. And he never played against a center in the finals like Howard.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Good stats, Cursed. Though you are never going to change Kobe-haters’ opinions.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I’m saying Kobe is being held to standards that Jordan wasn’t held to. Would you be calling Jordan’s finals “horrible?” B/c Kobe is playing much, much better. Can you imagine what you guys would say about Kobe if he averaged 2.3 assists a game in a Finals series?
You’re saying Kobe is playing bad…and he’s not MJ right? Well MJ didn’t even put up the “MJ” stats that you guys think he did.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Pietrus should be suspended for the next game..
June 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
@cursed: What were Jordan’s FTA in that series compared to Kobe?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Kobe is playing average he had a great game 1 and has followed it up with 3 ok games. Pau Gasol’s numbers look good but Dwight is just killing him.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Ive never compared him with Jordan.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I’m beginning to think there’s something to the Magic’s mental make-up as a team that they panic when they got seconds on the clock and the ball in their hands.
Why did Turkoglu not take another TO before inbounding the ball? Why inbound it to a guy who wasn’t going to get a good shot off?
And then they did it again in the OT and gave Gasol the easiest dunk in Finals history.
This Series WAS going to be 2-2. Now, even if the Magic win Game 5 (an almost certainty to me), there’s no way they get this to a Game 7.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:31 am
SVG and I are apparently the only people who know that Rafer Alston sucks.
Yeah, you can play the what-if game, but so can I. If Rafer plays a majority of the 4th, I bet the Magic never have that lead in the end. He also would have missed a free throw here and there just to join in the fun.
Don’t blame SVG for sitting a mediocre PG. Blame him for not fouling Fisher (or anyone) before they shot a 3.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Dwight Howard Will Practice Free Throws, Religiously, For the Rest of the SummerBut when will he find the time to perfect his Van Gundy impression?
/priorities
June 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Cursed you are a horrible person.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Rafer doesn’t necessarily suck, but he’s streaky as hell and last night he was hitting shots and making plays. When he’s feeling it I’ll take him over a rusty/overrated Jameer.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Jameer looks completely overmatched. Reminds me of Mo last series.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Disagree, they were brilliant late against the Cavs often.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:39 am
I think Cursed is the most unbiased Cavs fan to post on any blog about sports.
You think NickP would ever say Kobe does something better than Jordan?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Heh, and Mike Brown STILL has his job.
/Beating a dead horse
June 12th, 2009 at 10:39 am
A mediocre PG who took them to the Finals. I don’t think Lee played the 4th or OT either. You’ve gotta dance with the one who brung ya, not rely on the exhausted guy just coming off an injury.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I kind of think so as well. I don’t want him to be suspended, but I’m not sure you can not suspend him. And don’t start with the crap about Pau and how he should have pulled the ball out. You take easy points when you can get them…simple as that.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:41 am
1996: 11, 1997:9, 1998: 11.7
Kobe this series, 9.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I fell asleep and missed the last five minutes of the fourth. I’m glad. Fuck Derek Fisher.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Is Kobe going to ask Jameer how his elbow tastes?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:42 am
This Series WAS going to be 2-2. Now, even if the Magic win Game 5 (an almost certainty to me), there’s no way they get this to a Game 7.
If you love Orlando, you’re thinking 2-2, or even 3-1 for you. Game 2 they had a shot, and this one, they completely blew. I was barely watching the end of regulation because there was NO way the Lakers could win. I’ve never seen a player want the ball for free throws less than Howard in that spot.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I was watching that with my Lakers buddies and told them, Kobe won’t get the ball here. Everyone agreed, but we didn’t figure out what the play was going to be. I seriously think that play was P-Jax telling Zo to tell him how his ass tastes.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:43 am
agreed. you can’t miss 4 months and then come back… for the finals? terrible move by SVG.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I so wish I had the screengrab of the baseline shot once Hedo hit the shot to put them on 5. Ric Bucher looked like he was just asked to take a 2-month furlough.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Is Kobe going to ask Jameer how his elbow tastes?
No Orlando Magic player can complain about elbows. Dwight Howard throws the most vicious elbow I’ve seen outside the Octagon, and he throws dozens and dozens a game.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:45 am
@ NickP- Jordan had 11.6 FTA/gm in ‘96, 9.17 FTA/gm in ‘97, 11.7 FTA/gm in ‘98.
Kobe’s getting 9 FTA/gm this finals.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:45 am
oh fuck cursed already posted it. i suck.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:46 am
You guys dont think Nick knew the FT comparisons when he asked the question?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:46 am
HAHAHAHA
How about Andrew Bynums foul fest last night?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Magic shot like 17 free throws in the 4th quarter only got called for 1 foul.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:47 am
i posted this late last night, but come on. Game 2 they had a chance to win. Then:
Game 3 – they shoot 62% at home, lamar doesn’t even show up and they only win by 4.
Game 4 – they lose a big lead late at home, even when having an 18-0 FTA advantage in the 4th qtr and OT.
The Magic just aren’t that good. 2-2 or 3-1 magic? you’re lucky the series isn’t over.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:47 am
The one where Pietrus hit the lay up and-one was even better.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:49 am
How is that any different than any other night? Bynum has talent, but he makes Oden look like a genuis on defense.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:53 am
The Magic just aren’t that good. 2-2 or 3-1 magic? you’re lucky the series isn’t over.
I’m not an Orlando fan. I’m just saying. If you’re a big fan of Orlando, and you’re bemoaning things this morning, you’re not even crying because it’s not 2-2, you’re crying because it’s not 3-1.
The obvious answer for SVG would have been to pull Dwight Howard up 3 points, and play Tony Battie (Gortat is crappy at free throws too), but it’s way, way too easy to 2nd guess.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
@jb49ers, I saw that stat and couldn’t believe it. The Lakers first free throw in the fourth and OT was Gasol’s after Pietrus gave him a double kidney shot
June 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I think the Lakers and the Magic look dead even if you ask me. Three straight games come right down to the wire, that’s all the evidence I need. Big advantage was the home court…lakers winning first two put so much pressure on Orlando.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:55 am
So since the Magic are a layup and 1 free throw away from being up 3-1, then your logic would indicate the Lakers also aren’t very good. We agree.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The Magic just aren’t that good. 2-2 or 3-1 magic? you’re lucky the series isn’t over.
Sad but true.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Way to disregard the rest of the evidence in my post. excellent tactic.
June 12th, 2009 at 10:58 am
@dirt The last 3 games have been damn good and it could just as easily be 3-1 Orlando.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I’m surprised a fan of Big Ben would ignore a lot of evidence.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:04 am
@dirt The last 3 games have been damn good and it could just as easily be 3-1 Orlando.
That’s what I said. And Gold Ticket’s “evidence” is pretty lame, anyway. The Magic shot so many free throws in the fourth quarter because Bennett Salvatore was there to make sure. And the Lakers shot no free throws because Kobe kept trying jumpers.
Lamar Odom didn’t show up in game 3, because he was in foul trouble all game and couldn’t stay on the floor.
Game 4, they had a big lead, and a substantial lead with 11 seconds left. All they needed was a free throw to seal the deal, or any one of the others they missed.
I don’t see where that evidence makes you a basketball expert, at all. You’re just oversimplifying.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:08 am
don’t remember claiming to be a basketball expert. I’ll give you game 3 and odom, but 62% shooting at home should result in more than 4 point win.
as for game 4 – you can’t oversimply an 18-0 FTA advantage. That is just inexplicable in an nba basketball game.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:10 am
man i totally screwed up that last post. was meaning to quote dirtheavy:
June 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I do it all the time. But I’ve got a ton of credibility.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I’m not that into stats, but you cant say team A is great as evidenced by beating team B, even though team B is not good. Let me guess, SEC fan?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:21 am
He’s got rings so he’s the best, right?
/this argument never gets old to me
/ Ben’s overrated > Mamba’s overrated
/seriously
June 12th, 2009 at 11:26 am
don’t remember claiming to be a basketball expert.
If you can claim it three times without anybody questioning it, then you are one, and can say so always, no matter what anybody else says.
If you don’t drive the ball to the basket, or play in the paint at all, you don’t get foul calls. If you don’t get foul calls, then you don’t shoot free throws. That explains the Lakers free throw disparity. That, and Bennett Salvatore.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:28 am
who said team a was great? the only evidence you have is that team a is is better than team b. if the game just happens to be for the championship, well then…
not a big ben fan. infact, i hate him. but rings are as close to inarguable as it gets. winning when it matters is what it’s all about. stats are ancillary to the overall goal of the game – which is to win.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:28 am
But the argument that they are just not a good team, when they’ve had a chance to win each of the last three games, including a shot to win game 2, a win in game 3, and sealing free throws in game 4. That really kills you’re argument that “they’re just not that good.”
/expert analysis
June 12th, 2009 at 11:29 am
i like what you have to say and would love to subscribe to your newsletter.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:31 am
First reasonable thing you’ve said. Goes back to my original point before cursed decided that bashing MJ means Kobe is the greatest ever. History doesn’t remember if you sucked or not (although can we pleeeeease stop calling him the greatest closer evar), history only remembers who’s wearing the ring.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Agreed.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:33 am
sweet, sweet acceptance.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:36 am
we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I see your points that the games were close – but they (games 3 and 4 anyway) were only close because of some relatively extraoridnary circumstances in favor of the magic.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
stats are ancillary to the overall goal of the game – which is to win.
Where’s Nick P? He can give you the percentages on commenters who think that that are no longer around.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:38 am
*extraordinary
man i can’t type. coop calling me reasonable got me all shaky inside.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:42 am
but they (games 3 and 4 anyway) were only close because of some relatively extraordinary circumstances in favor of the magic.
Is it extraordinary that a team of good shooters gets hot- Not at all.
Is it extraordinary that a home team with momentum plays well enough to win a game, especially if they pound it inside all night and get a lot of rebounds?
Is it extraordinary that a home team gets the benefit of the doubt from NBA refs – hardly.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:46 am
You guys are un-fucking-believeable. The Lakers just gutted out a tough ass victory, Kobe actually pass the ball in the clutch (Jameer Nelson elbow! haha) and made some clutch buckets in OT, everyone on the Lakers showed up and we’re up 3-1.
he man is on his way to his 4th championship and you STILL choose to hate on…his shooting, his demeanor, etc. I give up, I really do.
Although I must say, yesterday was the first time I was not confident about Koobe in the extreme clutch times (under a minute left)…I’m still having flashes of game 3, and I’m pretty pretty sure the guy is running on fumes right now.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:47 am
if a team of “good” shooters has to get hot to the tune of 62% to win a game by 4 at home… yes, that’s extraordinary.
not at all, although 18-0 is more than a little excessive, even by nba standards. but when they still lose that game… god that’s got to hurt.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:49 am
This may come as a surprise to you, but if thats the case then you must be an extremely attractive female.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:50 am
How can anyone make the argument that the Magic aren’t that good? I can understand if you said they weren’t as good as the Lakers, but there’s no way you can say they don’t belong in the finals. They’ve played tough as hell this whole series.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am
haters hate. that’s what they’re here for.
lebron fans… just know that when kobe’s gone, all the hate will turn to lebron. 12 years from now when lebron is going for his third championship and some up and comer is playing great ball – it’ll be just like this.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:53 am
if calling someone reasonable is your best pickup line, you must be an extremely unattractive male.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:55 am
selective memory?
June 12th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I obviously think MJ is the best ever. But Kobe is no slouch.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Why don’t you look at the last three games douche.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I’m not sure what you want, the man was 11-31, forced a ton of bad shots, turned the ball over way too much, and was bailed out by his teammates. Only cursed is able to turn that into a performance of the ages. When he has a great game us/we/haters will gladly give him the credit, but I’m still waiting on him to CLOSE like I’m told hes the greatest ever at doing. Just because they won doesn’t mean Kobe should be adorned with praise, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a better example of a team winning in spite of a guy. He’s great, and when he plays great we’ll give him credit, but he was turrible last night.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Adam Morrison will be pleased
June 12th, 2009 at 11:59 am
haha… take it easy jimmy, i was only funnin.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I like how Kobe’s teammates sucked all game, and just because they came through at the end BY DOING THEIR JOBS, then Kobe got BAILED OUT. So he didn’t have the best game ever, but he did enough to get them the win. All this, well this could’ve happened, or that could’ve happened. Guess what, they didn’t.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Don’t sweat it, Tom. It’s just sports talk. I’m just saying you’re off base is all.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Free throws and turnovers loss the game for the Magic. If Howard made one of the two at the end of regulation, Fish shot wouldn’t have mattered. The players loss the game for Orlando, not some “panicky” coach.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Ruck. Lakers won because the got a ton of more possesions than Orlando. They did this by playing good defense and getting some offensive boards.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
when i said they aren’t “that good” i thought the comparison to the lakers specifically was implied since, you know, that’s to whom they are losing.
but hey since we’re here – since the magic beat the cavs 4-1 and the lakers are up 3-1 on the cavs… i dunno, someone do the math on that.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Uhhh, Clown, Rex Grossman was QB of a Bears team that went to the Super Bowl. How does that have any reflection on his individual abilities? Same for Rafer.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
There’s a big difference from saying a team is not as a good, and saying a team is just not that good. The only difference in this series so far has been the Lakers’ experience. I think the Magic have put up a hell of a fight, aside from game 1 obviously.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
You know, for someone who dislikes Kobe, I can tell from this that you hsave a ton of respect for his abilities either way. The fact that you expect him to have unbelieveable legendary games every games is cool, because even I dont hold him to that high of a standard. Kobe hit shots when he had to…a couple of his shots were in and out, and I trust him with the ball. I think when you talk “closer” you just think of hitting buzzer beating shots…he doesnt have prove shit to that assessment based on his resume alone. Granted, Fisher and Ariza were the heroes tonight but so what???
Why is that such a problem? Did MJ get “bailed out” by Paxon, by Kerr, by Pippen’s steal??
It’s a championship team, and that requires an entire team effort either way. Asking of Kobe to put up 40 every night or somehow be involved in every single shot or clutch basket is stupid…but both of Fisher’s clutch threes were a result of Kobe making smart passes. Why dont you ever give him credit for that? If he hadnt made the passes, you would drill him on that. They won the game, but you still drill him. What do you want from him, or Laker fans in general? I dont understand.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
link?
I’ll never forget Kobe’s 81 point performance, and how some ESPN poll the next day showed that 50% of people thought he shot too much. Pure hatred!
June 12th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Agreed. If LeBron was averaging 33, 8, 7 a game in the NBA Finals and his teams was up 3-1, people in Cleveland would burn down the internets posting so fast to tell you about it. Has he looked rough at times? Of course. But I don’t think you can discount some of the plays he made setting his teammates up last night and in the previous games. The pass he made to Pau when LA was down 87-82 was money. Again, if LBJ pulled that in that moment NickP would have shit his pants.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
granted. personally, i don’t think the magic are that good and i’m disappointed that the games haven’t resulted in 4 blowout wins, but the only evidence I have to support this is anecdotal.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Like I said, MJ averaged 2.3 assists in an NBA finals series. Coop, is that ballhogging or what?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Also, that Kobe spin-pass to Gasol…I need a youtube of that ASAP! They didn;t even replay it on ESPN, that was a gorgeous pass, and a great finish by Pau.
ORlando self-combusted in overtime.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Speaking of youtube, does anyone know where I can find a clip of that lady who fell when the camera was on the announcers? I missed it.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
11-31 yet none of you can admit he had a bad game. You guys are beyond homers. Youre delusional. “He made some great passes” is all you can say. I give up. If you cant admit LeBron is better after watching the trainwreck that has been Kobe this series then you never will.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I think people that dislike Kobe hold him to a much higher standard than those of us who actually like the guy. Is it just me, or do most of the Cleveland fans on this site have some sort of complex where whether Kobe is winning or losing, they have to point out that he is inferior to Lebron in the way that he plays? I remember Kobe played a perfect game in game 6 against the Nuggets, and there were still people complaining about one thing or the other.
Yes, he shot the ball 32 times…which actually reminds meof a game in the 93 Finals where MJ shot the balll 43(!) times. I’m imagine the reaction if Kobe had done that.
Bottom line, we’re on our way to winning the chip. Whether or not you give credit to Kobe for those wins is your business, but the fact is a) they couldn’t have made it this far without him and b) the Lakers won as a collective unit, something people said Kobe could never do, because of course, his teammates HATE him.
Yep, two Finals appearances is the result of that hate, definetly asgree.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
better in what way? athletically? sure.
but does actually winning count for nothing?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Duder, b/c he didn’t have a bad game. He was tremendous defensively (but I’m sure you’ll just examine the box score for steals and blocks)…he boxed out D-Ho and Rashard on a number of occasions, stole the ball away from Superman on a pivotal possession. Made key passes with the game on the line.
I don’t think he had a great game, but don’t stay obsessed with field goal makes and misses, they don’t always tell the story.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
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Hey, you’re the one in the Game 3 said that we Laker fans always start shit right? Check and mate. Thank you for proving my “LEbron complex” theory…seriously, lay off the Lebron thing.
1. Kobe DID have a bad game. I even said “I was worried about him in the clutch”…but he hit shots when they mattered (OT specifically) and made the right plays when he had to (good passes to Gasol, Fisher for game changing bucketS).
2. I dont give a fuck about Lebron. I’ve said before Lebron is better than him at this point…dude is 30 and will eventually decline…but what matters is we’re here, Lebron’s not. I know you wanna keep Lebron relevant in the Finals, but other than ESPN, Nike, and you Cleveland homers of TBL’s commenting board…we dont really give a shit about him at this point.
We’re up 3-1, he’s vacationing somewhere with 25, 000 less in his pocket. Stop bringing him up with useless discussion. He is the better play. There you have it, but who gives a fuck at this point. I’d have the ring collection than the MVP collection anyday, and so would Kobe.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Kobe is serious the shittiest player to ever reach the finals, and I’m not even joking. He has been BEYOND horrible! I wish they would’ve traded his ass for Ben Gordon and Luol Deng when they had the chance. Gordon, now that’s a guy who can hit some shots. All this talk about passing and rebounding and defense…THOSE DON’T WIN GAMES PEOPLE! Kobe sucks so bad. He’s a disgrace to the game.
/Happy?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
/Loved my own quote, posting for re-emphasis.
Also, when I say “bad game” I mean shooting wise…he passed, rebounded and defended extremely well, but of course, you’ll never give him credit for that.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
He had an off game, not a bad one. I find it hard to say a shooting guard with 8 dimes and 7 boards to go along with over 30 points (even if it took him 30+ shots) had a bad game. I think LeBron is a better overall player than Kobe, but I think you calling anyone a homer for defending Kobe is the pot calling the kettle black. You’re just as big of a homer, you simply choose to root for Kobe to fail, thus blinding you from giving him credit for much of anything.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
yes, thank you.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Just went back to see all the glowing things Duder had to say after Kobe’s first game dominance (which set the tone in the series in what could have been a trap game). All the Kobe bashers say they’ll give him credit when he plays well, this was Duder’s only comment pertaining to the game:
Wow, really went out of your way to give him some credit for a historic NBA finals game. Wow.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
This is true but they tell a big part of the story. That is why shooting is the most imporant of the Four Factors.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
LOL. So, if Kobe’s dominant, its cause of his big men. If Kobe’s not dominant, its cause Lebron is better. If Kobe wins, its cause his teammates bailed him out…if he loses, its cause he’s worse than Lebron.
Got it.
Like I said, I dont think any of you Clevelanders (maybe spence is one of the exceptions) gets to call anyone a homer. If you can’t be objective with what you say then please, shut up.
Me, Cursed,Gods, chicago…we’re all rooting for the Lakers and we still give LEbron credit where its due. Why cant guys like duder, Nick P ever do that with Kobe? Are you guys that insecure???
June 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Karma, I’m not a Lakers fan. I think i’m just pretty objective, more so than others (I think LeBron is the best player in the league, but enjoy watching Kobe more).
June 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I am a Phil/Kobe/Odom fan. Not so much a fan of the Lakers as an organization, but I really like Phil and Odom, and watching Kobe when he is at his best is just fun.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I agree that it’s important, but not as life-changing as some would have you believe (IMO). I don’t think there’s that big of a difference between a guy that shoots 46% for a year and 50% for a year. In reality, that breaks down to a little more than one make a game more than the other guy if both shoot about 25 times a game. When you factor other things like free throws and three pointers, it can be made up pretty quickly.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
yes. i wonder what they will have to say about lebron when he’s wearing a different uni.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I don’t know why it is impossible to just admit that Kobe did not as great a game as 32/8/7 suggest he did. It was not an awful game, though it was an awful shooting game, which he made up for it in the box score how great players are supposed to, by doing other things (the rebounding and assists). However to suggest that the last 3 game have been a validation of Kobe’s greatness (41 % shooting, 14 TO’s, and some… awful plays towards the end of regulation) is not exactly fair. This is not to suggest that he is a bad player (I am sure CC can find some similarly crappy MJ finals statistics) but rather that this final is, in part, a demonstration that he has a pretty darn good team around him, which has allowed him to succeed despite not playing as well as he can or commonly does. This is fine, there is nothing wrong with being the best player on the best team, but
June 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
he has not exactly be dominant, nor appeared as one of the best players ever, nor an amazing closer.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Very true. That is why its good to look at ts%
As for last night. Its fine to say Kobe had a ‘bad’ game. Just about everyone on the floor, for both teams, had a ‘bad’ game. Its just silly to think that Kobe should just keep shooting (mainly poor shots), when he has other teamates who can score efficiently. He drilled some tough shots last nights. At one point his man lef to go double on Pau and Pau gets it to kb wipe open at the top of the key and….clank. You know what, that is a better shoot to take then most of his other ones though. He was wide open.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
He has absolutely been dominant at times in this series. He’s been a playmaker throughout the series with the exception of the second half in Game 3. And if he has no appeared as “one of the best players ever” in this series, I’d hate to think what you thought of Jordan and his performances in his last three finals.
Again, nobody is saying Kobe is playing “great”…for Kobe’s standards, he’s playing average, with is still at a very high level.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
33, 8, 7 on a team where you are the first option on offense, the guy who gets the ball with 5 seconds are left on the shot clock and at times your teammates seem like they cant throw it in the ocean.I admit he has taken somequestionable shots at moments but he has also kept them from being blown out in the first half of games.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Which reiterates my point that in the Finals, it doesnt matter as much as long as you win. The only people who doubt Kobe is “one of the best ever” based on his Finals performance are the ones that didn’t wanna give him credit for making it tht far in the first place.
You don’t get this far without having made big games and big places…he’s having a subpar series from the standards we hold him to, but we’re winning. His team? Yep, they’re great, but so what? Why is that used against him? Would Lebron fans be complaining if they had Pau Gasol on thier side? Hell no..so why do you use it as a point against us?
Like I said 3-1, or a vacation? Kobe’s already cemented his legacy…he doesnt need the stats to ensure his place, his ring. Stats (believe it or not) mean jackshit unless you actually win.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I cant type today.
*/big plays
*/he doesn’t need the stats to ensure his place, he needs the rings.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
we have a winner.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Also, I love how most of the Cleveland fans on here disappeared since Lebron disappeared like the chalk he throws up in the here. They only come back to a) debate about how Lebron’s the reincarnation of Jesus or b) to yell out the mandatory KOBE SUCKS (in various forms of expression) every other game or so.
Love you guys.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
That’s all I was saying (I think, did it seem like more?).
June 12th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Bottomline Lakers are one win away from winning the whole damn thing.
Go Lakers!!!
June 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Glad you’re thinking of me, douchecanoe.
I give Kobe credit when he legitimately plays well. He hasn’t yet.
And I’m hyper-critical of Lebron.
I’ve said this before: he has more “bad” triple doubles than anyone. He gets into Kobe corkscrew jumper mode way too much for a guy who can get to the rim with ease. It’s really tough to watch sometimes.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Karma don’t put words in my mouth. I was not doubting that he wasn’t one of the best ever, I was just saying that the was not an example of it. Just like last years Finals were not an example of him being one of the best ever. Not every outing by any athlete is going to be golden. Why is that doubting? Birds NCAA Final games was the same way, Lebron’s Game 1-3 vs Boston last year, and the list could go ON and ON. Not every comment that is actively for Kobe is anti-Kobe.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
And is this the kind of objectivity you’d like to see, howarddouche?
From your shitty blog:
June 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
You sound like a Kobe hater and a Kobe lover. Worst of both worlds!
June 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Should has not used Lebron’s example there cause those games were HORRIBLE, and not really comparable to Kobe’s games this series but… whatever.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Wow. good typing by me.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
True, he should get to the rim more and make an effort to draw more fouls.
At the same time, you don’t want to use up too much energy early in the game and end up looking gassed at the end of a 5 game massacre much like a certain someone i could mention.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I see what you did there.
So you’d rather him force and miss a bunch of jumpers?
I can’t see that recipe leading to a title, though it’s working pretty well for somebody right now, thanks to first Shaq and now D-Fish.
/See what I did there?
June 12th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I’d rather him win titles.
Don’t worry, lebron will get a couple some day, probably just not for cleveland. And of course that’s assuming dwight howard never moves above jr high level post moves.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
It’s kind of funny to think that Lebron lovers think a title for Lebron is a foregone conclusion. It’d be hilarious if he never finds the right mix of a supporting cast to get him there. Tragic, but hilarious because of you fanatics
June 12th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
ive stopped showing up because a) i don’t care, b) tiger woods is back and c) i have nothing to add.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
nevermind the fact that when lebron wins his title, it will necessarily be because of an improved supporting cast. Will you then say lebron won his titles because of his supporting cast – as an insult to his victory? hogwash.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Ruckmaker Vid at Fang’s Bites
June 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
YES! Much appreciated Brian!
June 12th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
The difference is that right now Kobe’s supporting cast is playing better than Kobe. The ‘we’re farther in the playoffs’ argument is farcical. That is obviously not a indicator of who is the better player.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Totally disagree with that. Who’s playing better than Kobe? Perhaps better with their roles, but Kobe is still the alpha dog playmaker on the team. If they went into the post 30 times a game to Pau, they would lose. And nobody is doing on both ends the way Kobe is.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Hey cursed remember when you asserted that Kobe had “good misses” because 8 of them resulted in OREB? Yeah LA had 10 for the whole game, one of them by Kobe. Do you think they had 8 on Kobe’s 20 misses and 1 on everyone else’s 33 misses?
June 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Cursed, clearly you’re relying too much on actually watching a game and not paying enough attention to a database or spreadsheet.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
of course it isn’t. fortunately, that’s not the point i was making. what i said was in response to nickp who stated that kobe was reliant on others for his titles, which is of course true. but, the same must be said for lebron. if he was good enough to win one on his own, he already would have. my point wasn’t to say that kobe is better than lebron, but to say that of course it’s a team effort and if you want to diss kobe for winning 4 titles, then when (if) lebron gets 1, you’ll have to pull out the same ridiculous ridicule for him. i am, as always, doubtful that we will hear that chirping. unless, of course, lebron no longer plays for cleveland at that point.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I’m not understanding how that backs up your assessment that his teammates are outplaying him. Give me examples of who is outplaying him? They’ve been good situationally, absolutely. to win a title you absolutely need help. But remember that these guys only get so many good opportunities b/c of attention Kobe draws.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
/sarcasm
It would be great if anyone could actually agree on what they saw, but seeing as that goal is unreachable it’s nice to have stats to fall back on. A Kobe fan and I will never see the same thing subjectively, so I try to prove it objectively.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
+2 Karma
I called that days ago too. Fuckers.
Objectively speaking, I am surprised that the Magic have given the Lakers this much of a fight in two of the games by sending them to OT. I would not knock the Magic at all, but I would knock any fair-weather Kobe hating fans of them.
The Magic are better than I thought they were even after defeating soundly an overrated Cleveland team, err, I mean Lebron.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Karma’s quote I forgot to re-copy.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I’d take a gametracker over watching/enjoying a game any day
June 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I do understand that Kobe is the best player on his team, absolutely. My point was that they are being more efficient offensively than he is. And that he does not create every opportunity, like Ariza’s three. (where dribbled around for 8 sec then jacked it up.)
@goldticket. I think that there are different degrees of responsibility for winning. Obviously the last 3 MJ rings he owed to his teammates more than the first 3. I think Kobe is at that later stage right now, while Lebron is more like MJ just pre-rings. (when he was undoubtedly better)
I would like an explanation of the “good misses” cursed.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
The Magic are better than I thought they were even after defeating soundly an overrated Cleveland team, err, I mean Lebron.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
+100000 to Karma, cursed, clown, and anyone I missed from my Kobe supporting crew. I missed some quality arguing.
I’d like to go back to what cursed was saying about MJ’s stats, though, because what he was getting at was pretty important. He’s got like 4 career 6/19 nights in the finals. Imagine if Kobe made only 6 field goals in some of these games. Don’t get me wrong, I love Mike and he’s the greatest to ever play, but jesus christ, let’s cut Kobe some slack and realize that if we’re going to call MJ the GOAT by FAR, then we should probably recognize that Kobe is really really fucking good, and is having a hell of a finals. But the Kobe haters refuse to do that, for whatever reason, and that frustrates us Kobe backers to no end. I just hope that when Kobe’s done, time will heal all this hate. I never remember people hating on Jordan like this, that’s all I know. Please think to yourself, what would you be thinking if Lebron played like this in the finals? Because I would be just as impressed as I am with Kobe.
NickP- did you give Kobe credit for game 1? because I don’t remember hearing anything. Unless giving him credit means that you don’t come on and make a comment about his shooting percentage. He was only the 4th player to have a 40, 8, 8 game in the finals.
/don’t care anymore, Lakers are winning it, Kobe’s getting a title and MVP, haters can suck it.
//love you guys
June 12th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
True. I know what he’s capable of, I know I dont like his horrible I’m taking this shot no matter how many people are covering me just as much as I hate LeBron’s I’m going to stand here and dribble for 10 seconds then shoot a terrible 3. Stars have bad nights, I’m allowed to say they sucked when they do.
Any time Kobe misses its good, almost like a pass, in fact he misses in such a way that it goes directly to Gasol for the putback, and Kobe drew up the miss/putback on the whiteboard during the timeout.
/cursed
June 12th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Karma for your reference only, as one of the few others who will speak out for a WINNING team that happens to be on the West Coast on this East Coast and Big Ten country dominate site, this message is for those of you Ohio/Big Ten homers and fair-weather Nuggets fans off the East Coast, as if there are any Nuggets fans outside of Denver and that town is lame for anything but the Broncos anyway, here was my post from late last night. My suspicions were confirmed here today.
Again, quit your whining and criticism of winning teams and focus on your own losing programs. But then again, ignore that guidance and just perhaps keep your jerkwater loser homer mentalities as perhaps you will still not be able to figure out why your teams are not national champion material though competing well in their conferences, divisions, whatever.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I would have drawn up a different play, but it worked, so I can’t complain.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Yes right it was! Orlando as I predicted here correctly matched up better and won.
Don’t feel bad because even our TBL Godfather is pissed off at the correct reasoning. “That’s too simple it can’t possibly be true and the like …”
If you gamble, it doesn’t matter what your reasoning, pride, logic, hunch was if you are showing consistent wins, as what counts is the money in your pocket.
When in doubt about others who get it right even though in your logic you think they should not have, check the scoreboard. The rest is just sour grapes.
Winning is not everything — it’s the only thing. Anyone who does not believe that and only “it’s how you play the game,” though not without merit as well, probably never won anything athletically in their life.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Nice floor game, for sure. Played well on defense too.
But 40 points on 34 shots ain’t nothing to write home about.
/grammar’d
June 12th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Exactly Cursed! Much better than your commentary on that journalist versus blogger post! Welcome back to reality!
June 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
van gundy should be fired on the spot for not forcing them to foul up by 3 with 5 seconds left
this series is on him
June 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Van Gundy said not to foul when there was close to 11 seconds left. By the time Fisher shot it, there was about 4 seconds left. I think Jameer is getting a pass here, and I commend SVG for taking the heat for his PG.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
SVG made a bad call not to foul but what about D-Ho? Bricking those 2 free throws to ice it is the difference in the game. Not to mention Turkoglu’s misfortunes from the line towards the end of the game. Have to put more blame on the players for coming up short..have to.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
hate to bring it up again but none of this matters if the lakers shoot more than, oh, zero free throws in the fourth quarter.
i know the nba wants the finals to go long, but come on. with all of the contact in a finals game? that is wwe-level stuff.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I agree with the first part, certainly. I will give Kobe credit for being very talented, an extremely hard worker, and an intense competitor. But the last three games, he has not played well. Those stats aren’t good for Jordan, and they’re not good for Kobe. It’s not a hell of a finals.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I thought this was a great game, until he came back out ahead by 20 just so he could get to 40. Right when he had about 28 shots he had played an outstanding game. But I don’t think he did anything particularly good to get 40, other than force up some bad shots and call for the ball a lot
June 12th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
G-man – totally agree. he never should’ve come back off the bench, 40 or not.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I’ve never said he wasn’t great, after they win game 6 he’ll be top 10 (if he wasn’t already). I can’t speak for everyone but I do think most of the “hate” comes from the outlandish persona he’s somehow been able to build and that is stroked by the media. Statements like:
“If I needed one person to take a shot at the end of the game, Kobe, no question.”
OR
“Kobe is the best closer the game has EVER seen”
are beyond ridiculous. He’s a great player and great players make big plays during the entire game that help their team win. However in no way is he any better than quite a few players at the end of the game, in fact he’s statistically terrible at end of the game situations.
That doesnt mean he sucks, but it does mean he’s not the greatest closer ever and the most clutch player ever and all the other bullshit people like to heap on him.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
This^
June 12th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
The biggest thing that stood out to me, is when the Lakers called time out with 11 seconds to go and took it full court, why they hell didn’t the Magic go to a half court defense?
They were playing a full court press which was horrible in that situation.
The minute I saw them in that defense I yelled out at my TV.
Go to half court, get set, don’t give up a 3. I dunno, I think Van Gundy blew that game last nite with that and the horrible in bounds plays in the last minute where it looked like absolute chaos for the Magic players. No one looked like for sure what was going on.
June 12th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Asinine statement.
This series is WAY closer than you give it credit for. 2 overtime games out of 4. 3 of the 4 came to OT or the last minute.
The Magic are a Courtney Lee layup and a Dwight Howard free throw from maybe being up 3-1, but yeah, the Magic just aren’t that good compared to the Lakers. . .
June 13th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
cursedcleveland.com cursedcleveland.com cursedcleveland.com
FIrst off anything a guy from cleveland says about Jordan is bullshit anyway, get the fuck over it already.
FUNNY, how you pick his WORST assist average. STFU HATER
1991 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Lakers 1
GM1: 14-24 FG (58.3%), 7-9 FT, 36 PTS, 8 REB, 12 AST, 4 TO
GM2: 15-18 FG (83.3%), 3-4 FT, 33 PTS, 7 REB, 13 AST, 4 TO
GM3: 11-28 FG (39.3%), 6-6 FT, 29 PTS, 9 REB, 9 AST, 3 TO
GM4: 11-20 FG (55%), 6-6 FT, 28 PTS, 5 REB, 13 AST, 1 TO
GM5: 12-23 FG (52.2%), 6-8 FT, 30 PTS, 4 REB, 10 AST, 6 TO
AVERAGES: 63-113 FG (55.8%), 28-33 FT (84.9%), 31.2 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 11.4 APG, 3.60 TO, 22.6 FGA per game
1992 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Blazers 2
GM1: 16-27 FG (59.3%), 1-1 FT, 39 PTS, 3 REB, 11 AST, 1 TO
GM2: 16-32 FG (50%), 7-9 FT, 39 PTS, 5 REB, 10 AST, 5 TO
GM3: 11-22 FG (50%), 4-4 FT, 26 PTS, 7 REB, 4 AST, 5 TO
GM4: 11-26 FG (42.3%), 8-8 FT, 32 PTS, 5 REB, 6 AST, 5 TO
GM5: 14-23 FG (60.9%), 16-19 FT, 46 PTS, 5 REB, 4 AST, 4 TO
GM6: 13-24 FG (54.2%), 5-5 FT, 33 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 4 TO
AVERAGES: 81-154 FG (52.6%), 41-46 FT (89.1%), 35.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.5 APG, 4.00 TO, 25.7 FGA per game
1993 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Suns 2
GM1: 14-28 FG (50%), 3-4 FT, 31 PTS, 7 REB, 5 AST, 2 TO
GM2: 18-36 FG (50%), 4-5 FT, 42 PTS, 12 REB, 9 AST, 5 TO
GM3: 19-43 FG (44.2%), 3-6 FT, 44 PTS, 9 REB, 6 AST, 3 TO
GM4: 21-37 FG (56.8%), 13-18 FT, 55 PTS, 8 REB, 4 AST, 1 TO
GM5: 16-29 FG (55.2%), 7-10 FT, 41 PTS, 7 REB, 7 AST, 2 TO
GM6: 13-26 FG (50%), 4-6 FT, 33 PTS, 8 REB, 7 AST, 3 TO
AVERAGES: 101-199 FG (50.8%), 34-49 FT (69.4%), 41.0 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.67 TO, 33.2 FGA per game
1996 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Sonics 2
GM1: 9-18 FG (50%), 9-10 FT, 28 PTS, 7 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM2: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 10-16 FT, 29 PTS, 6 REB, 8 AST, 2 TO
GM3: 11-23 FG (47.8%), 11-11 FT, 36 PTS, 3 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM4: 6-19 FG (31.6%), 11-13 FT, 23 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 4 TO
GM5: 11-22 FG (50%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 4 REB, 1 AST, 2 TO
GM6: 5-19 FG (26.3%), 11-12 FT, 22 PTS, 9 REB, 7 AST, 5 TO
AVERAGES: 51-123 FG (41.5%), 56-67 FT (83.6%), 27.3 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 3.00 TO, 20.5 FGA per game
1997 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-27 FG (48.1%), 5-7 FT, 31 PTS, 4 REB, 8 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 11-20 FG (55%), 15-21 FT, 38 PTS, 13 REB, 9 AST, 5 TO
GM3: 9-22 FG (40.9%), 4-5 FT, 26 PTS, 3 REB, 6 AST, 1 TO
GM4: 11-27 FG (40.7%), 0-0 FT, 22 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 13-27 FG (48.2%), 10-12 FT, 38 PTS, 7 REB, 5 AST, 3 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 8-10 FT, 39 PTS, 11 REB, 4 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 72-158 FG (45.6%), 42-55 FT (76.4%), 32.3 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 2.17 TO, 26.3 FGA per game
1998 NBA Finals
Bulls 4, Jazz 2
GM1: 13-29 FG (44.8%), 6-8 FT, 33 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 0 TO
GM2: 14-33 FG (42.4%), 9-10 FT, 37 PTS, 5 REB, 3 AST, 0 TO
GM3: 7-14 FG (50%), 10-11 FT, 24 PTS, 3 REB, 2 AST, 2 TO
GM4: 12-27 FG (44.4%), 10-15 FT, 34 PTS, 8 REB, 2 AST, 3 TO
GM5: 9-26 FG (34.6%), 10-11 FT, 28 PTS, 4 REB, 4 AST, 4 TO
GM6: 15-35 FG (42.9%), 12-15 FT, 45 PTS, 1 REB, 1 AST, 1 TO
AVERAGES: 70-164 FG (42.7%), 57-70 FT (81.4%), 33.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 2.3 APG, 1.67 TO, 27.3 FGA per game