The Roundup: Plane Crash Survivor, Rockets Court Gortat, a Reduction, and Crazy Darren Daulton
College Basketball, Former Athletes, Media Gossip/Musings, NBA, NFL, NHL, Tennis, Video, Where's the WNBA tag?, Women's Sports July 1st. 2009, 8:00am
Happy Birthday Cheryl Cole … the Republicans who could take down Obama in 2012 … a sick and twisted individual … Megan Fox said it, so it must be true: Transformers is for geniuses … this sounds like a painful way to go … what is the statute of limitations on hazing lawsuits? … goodbye, Vibe Magazine … don’t smoke pot and call the police and ask for a ride … seemingly random drive-by in Detroit sprays seven teenagers … random photos of ‘Alex’ from Lost on a subway … best survivor story you’ll read this week …
With Yao down, the Rockets have made Orlando’s Gortat their top priority. (Twitter)
SI’s Stewart Mandel talks to a blog. (4th and Fail)
CBS poo-bah Sean McManus talks to a blog. (College Hoops Journal)
Coach K emphatically says he’s not going to the Lakers. (850 the Buzz)
Amare wants nothing to do with Golden State. Who can blame him? (Mercury News)
JR Smith of the Nuggets will serve 30 days in jail for a 2007 reckless drive charge that resulted in the death of his friend. (Denver Post)
Seriously, Alstott > Neal in the fullback category. (Joe Bucs Fan)
Athletes and twitter, all the rage! (Yahoo Sports)
Rangers trade Scott Gomez, columnist makes sure door drills him in the ass on the way out. (NY Post)
Candace Parker finally returned to practice for the first time since having her baby. (LA Times)
Looks that that busty Romanian tennis player finally got a reduction. (Sports by Brooks)
Darren Daulton: The man never met a drug he didn’t like. (Sports Radio Interviews)
The lone survivor from the Adenhart crash speaks. (Fox Sports)
| Former boxing champ Rocky Lockridge is homeless in Camden |
That’s the homeless New Jersey boxer we talked about earlier this week.
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July 1st, 2009 at 8:05 am
i concur.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:08 am
Romney/Rice 2012.
/That Zach Galifianakis video is priceless.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:11 am
falling to your death into a toxic waste pit in Jamaica Queens – worst way to die ever.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am
Except Alstott was as much a traditional fullback as Le’Ron McClain currently is.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:14 am
Next stop for that former Duke health policy director? 20 years in pound you up the ass federal prison.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:16 am
Every time a semi-talented, large breasted 17 year old romanian girl has a reduction, a kitten dies.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:19 am
give me Neal to open up a hole for my running back. if i need a yard, still give me Neal to open up a hole for my running back.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:20 am
thanks for that post about those pesky republicans. at first, i thought it was serious and got all riled up, then i laughed my ass off b/c there are people out there who actually think those things.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:23 am
great vid on the Wilhite guy. amazing stuff that a person with an “internal decapitation” is up and tossing the ball around not long after the accident.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:24 am
cheryl cole is an all time favorite, good choice this AM
newt/palin 2012
July 1st, 2009 at 8:28 am
I would’ve voted for Romney last time…he was clearly the most qualified person on either side with the possible exception of Bill Richardson. It’s too bad he’s mormon, because he’ll never get the nomination.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:29 am
POLISH HAMMER made the roundup. awesome
Daryl Morey is a smart man
July 1st, 2009 at 8:29 am
Exactly. This bullshit that fullbacks are just big slow running backs aggravates me.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:30 am
please. The worst thing palin did was open her mouth.Epic fuck up by mccain. She will never smell a nomination.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:31 am
I’ve seen the Final Destination movies. That little girl is fucking doomed.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:34 am
What about Bobby Jindal? I thought he had a shot at the nomination?
July 1st, 2009 at 8:34 am
theres a new one coming out called THE FINAL DESTINATION. Im sure you saw the preview if you saw the hangover
July 1st, 2009 at 8:39 am
And I believe he’s going with “Won’t you be my neighbor?” as his campaign slogan…
July 1st, 2009 at 8:41 am
mr anti voncano monitoring?
July 1st, 2009 at 8:42 am
ha! so I guess thats a big no?
July 1st, 2009 at 8:44 am
Jindal bricked earlier this year … i think he spoke after Obama did and put everyone to sleep.
No ticket with Palin has a shot in 2012.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:45 am
jessie ventura and now al franken. Those almost canadians sure know how to vote
July 1st, 2009 at 8:46 am
not to suggest ventura did a bad job or franken will. Its just that you have to be an entertainer to get voted in that state. Its different
July 1st, 2009 at 8:47 am
the GOP primary is gonna be great
and TBL that speech jindal aka kenneth parcell did was great comedy
July 1st, 2009 at 8:51 am
Exactly. Mike Alstott is a fullback the same way Marques Colston is a tight end. Just because he’s bigger than most of them don’t make it true.
They should change the “fullback” Pro Bowl position to “240 pound halfback” position. Because that’s what everybody votes for.
If we went by Pro Bowl selections, then Mike Alstott and Larry Centers are the best fullbacks in the history of football. Are those really the guys you want throwing a block for your halfback on 4th and 1?
If Mike Alstott was such a great fullback, why did they bring in Jameel Cook in blocking situations?
July 1st, 2009 at 8:53 am
Lorenzo Neal is a freaking rhinoceros. I have no idea how you do that job, that well, for that long.
P.S. I’m totally rooting for Palin. As a liberal, it’s the right thing to do.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:54 am
give me neal any day of the week and twice on sundays.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:54 am
No ticket with Palin has a shot in 2012.
Yep. She’s hated within Republican leadership. She’ll never get a sniff. All the white, bored housewives are on Barry’s side now. That would be her only demographic.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:57 am
Can we all agree that as long as the GOP is represented by that bunch of losers they have no shot?
The ones that have any real intelligence or qualifications (Romney, Gingrich) have absolutely zero charisma, and the ones that have charisma are borderline retarded (Palin, Barbour).
Good luck.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:57 am
Darryl Johnston > Lorenzo Neal
July 1st, 2009 at 8:57 am
im too lazy to look this up but has any RB NOT rushed for 1,000 yards when lining up behind lorenzo neal?
July 1st, 2009 at 8:59 am
i wouldn’t go that far, she could probably pull a lot of votes with the old, white, Xenophobic hate mongers who believe all the spam they get in their inbox.
July 1st, 2009 at 8:59 am
William Floyd > any FB you can think of
July 1st, 2009 at 8:59 am
Yeah, but Lorenzo Neal < Mike Alstott because he doesn’t rush for 500 yards and catch 30 passes.
/all from the halfback slot
//Pro Bowl Voter’d
July 1st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Darryl Johnston > Lorenzo Neal
Nope. And I’m a Cowboy fan. Neal was doing a better job even for most of the 90’s.
But any self respecting Bills fan hates Lorenzo Neal. He fielded the kickoff on the Music City Miracle.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:01 am
2006 Mike Karney > all fulbacks (except LoLo)
/fell off pretty quickly after that
July 1st, 2009 at 9:01 am
how did you not throw a /bar none after that?
July 1st, 2009 at 9:01 am
In terms of the Neal/Alstott debate, Jay completely covered the situation. Really different players that were asked to do different things.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:02 am
I think Neal was blocking for the immortal Mario Bates on those Jim Moron Saints teams early in his career. I doubt he was racking up 1,000 yards every season.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:02 am
Maurice Carthon > all.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:05 am
bsanders, Jim Mora tried to make Neal a Mike Alstott. Look up the numbers. Also, he only started 16 games in his 3 years in New Orleans.
/Jim Mora didn’t know what he had
//the Saints never do
July 1st, 2009 at 9:05 am
Marion Motley is the best fullback in the history of evar.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:06 am
stfu…the only thing maurice carthon pwns at is…i don’t know how to finsih that but he was an AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL offensive coordinator.
tom rathman > neal
rathman was an awesome blocker and was a great offensive contributor. neal was a better blocker tho…dude is a hyperfast guard.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:07 am
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The reason the Saints let LoLo go was because they found their “fullback of the future” in the previous year’s draft.
/Ray Zellars’d
//fucking Saints
July 1st, 2009 at 9:07 am
Jim Brown > Marion Motley
July 1st, 2009 at 9:09 am
/fixed
July 1st, 2009 at 9:10 am
that’s hardly a fair fight.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:12 am
with obama trying to tax us into poverty, the gop will have a great shot. For those of you that are taking a wait & see approach, you’re 6 months too late. And you’re obviously not paying attention to what his administration is trying to do.
liberal backlash and obama worship in 3, 2, 1…
July 1st, 2009 at 9:12 am
Brad Baxter > Alstott > Neal
July 1st, 2009 at 9:14 am
I ain’t in any way diminishing Jim Brown, but he was a 240 pound running back in an era of 250 pound offensive linemen
/That’s not fair.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:14 am
No chance. Unless Obama shoots someone.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:16 am
I turn on SportsCenter this morning, hoping to catch the Tigers-As highlight from last night. I’m in luck. That scrolly bar thing on th side says it’s up in a few.
I wait, sit through something called “The Best of June,” which is three highlights. One of them is some middle school kid doing a flip and shooting and a 3/4 court shot. ESPN calls it a full-court shot it. It is clearly not. Plus, the kid is in street clothes and like goofing around. How this is one of three things part of “The Best of June” is beyond me. I’m a little grumpy at this point.
Commercial, which makes me a tad more grumpy becuase I have to wait for Tigers-As. OK, it’s up. Neil Everett incorrectly pronounces Polanco’s name PLA-SEE-DOH, even though the guy’s been in the league for like a decade. I get 10 more seconds of highlights and a final score. Wow, thanks for explaining the game to me SportsCenter. Now, I’m almost pissed.
Turn it over to ESPNnews for more highlights and it’s freakin’ Mizpah and Meathead in The Morning, not highlights. Wonderful. Just what I want – radio on TV.
Now, I am pissed. Forget sports, I’ll just go to the news. Mistake. I flip to CNN (I refuse to watch Faux Noise or MSNBC) and it’s a report about the Weirdo of Pop’s belongings.
I’M DONE. I get up, shave and go for the morning run.
And media wonders why it has so many critics and complainers.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:16 am
but he was an awesome fullback.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:17 am
Tommy Vardell > Alstott
July 1st, 2009 at 9:17 am
the taxes are the same right now. next year, your taxes will have already gone down (withholding stimulus) unless you make 250K as an individual.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:18 am
NDub, the media are just giving the people what they want.
Only in the media’s eyes: mouth-breathers = “the people”
July 1st, 2009 at 9:19 am
Brad Baxter? what a bum. I remember Cornelius Biscuit Bennett knocking that scrub out
July 1st, 2009 at 9:19 am
unless the GOP gets a candidate that can show everyone the republican party isn’t stuck in a world that doesn’t exist anymore, they don’t have a shot.
also, they should probably try to come up with some solutions of their own that don’t include stalling/hoping for something bad to happen/comdemning actions of others, but doing the same thing you’re condeming.
it’s not so much as they are out of touch, but they don’t have a singular message and work hard to make other proposals fail w/o giving viable alternate solutions themselves.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:20 am
Since we’re throwing them out like pennies:
Brad Muster
William Henderson
July 1st, 2009 at 9:20 am
he made a George Bush Sr blunder: don’t ever promise anything in the campaign in regards to not taxing.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:20 am
or this cap and trade doubles electric bills and the health care plan is a led zep. 3.5 years from now should give a good idea of how his agenda turned out. he’s got franken and the majority needed to add stars to the flag if he wants. lets see how it shakes out.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:21 am
Except for, you know, energy prices are going to go up with that whole climate bill thing, and even Obama and his people can’t keep a straight face when they talk about how to fund their healthcare plan.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:23 am
What’s the difference?
With Bush, Wall Street stole our money because they either abolished or refused to enforce the rules
With Obama, the government will steal our money.
I’ll go with Obama, because at least he was honest about it.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:23 am
Damn herd great minds, man. Great minds.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:23 am
No coincidence that Barry Sanders best season was behind Touchdown Tommy.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:24 am
Except for, you know, energy prices are going to go up with that whole climate bill
like they weren’t going up anyway. i’ll tell you a secret about energy prices…they go up.
as for healthcare, i think the insurance companies will greet us as liberators.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:25 am
cap & trade, socialized healthcare (now estimated over 1 trillion), over 250k (who do you think pays your salary) and energy bill (doubling the price of utlities and gasoline.) this stuff cant pay for itself.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:26 am
And that photo of Alex from LOST, was pretty creepy. Creepy as in the person who took it was on the other side of a peep hole or something. Very voyeuristic.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:26 am
Wall Street stole your great grand daddy’s money and it’ll steal your great grand kids money. It’s called risk and it’ll pound your mother if you don’t watch out. The government taking your money is a crime against its citizens.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:27 am
but not at the rate they will now. and now you have the gov’t determining how they go up.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am
I can take my electricity bill doubling. I know how to budget my paychecks.
What pisses me off is that 2/3 of my retirement savings has flat-out disappeared in the last 18 months.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Taxes will go up for everyone, even < $250 K folks.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am
Not nearly at the rate they’re going to. We’re talking skyrocket.
Not sure what you mean here, but this much is obvious. Obamacare is going to be insanely expensive, and even he admits they’ll have to raise taxes to pay for it.
/and doctors want no part of it
July 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am
exactly. you have to work your ass off for the boss to now pay his higher taxes, and then tax comes out of your money so you can pay for people that you shouldn’t have to be responsible for.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am
i am legitimately excited by the fact that the prez will get all of his agenda in place before vacation. that gives the country time to digest, experience, and evaluate the left methodology. if it works – awesome the people are happy and thats democracy working for us. if it doesnt work – thats why we have elections every 4.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am
but not at the rate they will now. and now you have the gov’t determining how they go up.
you guys must not buy many petroleum products. I’m probably the only guy stuck buying electricity, heating oil and propane. I count all of those as “energy prices.”
July 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am
oh and dont forget this is all during a recession when people are still losing their jobs. It doesnt make any sense
July 1st, 2009 at 9:31 am
World’s ugliest dog
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/World-Ugliest-Dog-Contest/ss/events/lf/062609ugliestdog#photoViewer=/ydownload_getty/20090629/photos_net_web_sc/1246310444
July 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am
Bush’s fault!
/Obama’d
July 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am
the world’s ugliest dog named after the world’s shittiest beer. fantastic.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am
do you know what a “fixed income” is?
do you know how many boomers are getting familiar with that term?
if health care savings don’t offset the increase in energy prices the net loss is going to be very apparent in middle to lower income America.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:34 am
Not sure what you mean here,
that’s a dick cheney/iraq joke. It’s a roundabout way of saying that sometimes you have to do something that’s hard(or even expensive) to move forward. Improving the deplorable US healthcare system is a lofty ideal, and i’m glad the guy is trying to put it into practice.
/and doctors want no part of it
The doctors who want no part of it know how to work the system as it is. They know how to make money off of insurance companies, and how to avoid taking care of the people who can’t pay. Not all doctors want no part of it, I assure you of that.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:35 am
and my heating oil went down this past year. not because it was warmer, but because the cost of oil went down.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:39 am
The point I was trying to make is that the extremely rich (aka a certain faction of the Republican) party is trying to act like the heroes “fighting for the working man” by scaring the shit out of the middle class with Obama tax hikes and worst case scenarios.
Fuck you. Give me back the money I lost in my annunty/401k/retirement. My energy bill will have to go up about 500 dollars a month for the next decade to offset those losses. Where were you when that shit was going on?
July 1st, 2009 at 9:39 am
No, we aren’t talking skyrocket. Completely, completely false.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:40 am
What exactly is so deplorable about our healthcare system? I’m interested to find out who you think has a better one.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:40 am
Not entirely true.
Doctors want a change…there needs to be universal healthcare, period. They don’t want a single payer model though, because that leads to rationing and a stiffling of innovation. Health insurance should be like car insurance- required by law. If you can’t afford it due to either lack of money or you’re in a high risk pool, the gov’t should help you out. Otherwise, get rid of the cable and pay for your insurance. This would lead to lower insurance rates because a)more people in the pool equals more spreading out the risk and b)less uninsured people driving up the rates for the rest of us. I’d even be ok with the Germany model, where everyone gets a certain level of insurance from the gov’t, but you can get better service if you pay for it.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:41 am
love being a fly on the wall for these political discussions. imagine how the stalkers must feel! (you know who the stalkers are)
sara foster rocking in the yankees hat while watching Haas-Djokovic (good match)
July 1st, 2009 at 9:41 am
I gotta tell you, reading you guys complaining about things I consider awesome (the possibility of moving towards a single-payer system, real environmental legislation) gives me a wonderful, happy feeling.
Eight years of the Bush administration — our roles were reversed — and man that sucked.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:42 am
thats your problem dude. your the type that would have taken the Madoff 20% return in a down market and not thought twice about it being a big scam.
if you don’t have the nutz for the market get out.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:42 am
well, yes and no. depends on how much energy you consume.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:43 am
this topic is gay…needs more talk about fullbacks.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:44 am
People die because they can’t afford it.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:44 am
No. Absolutely not. Sorry man, but it’s an investment, and it’s not guaranteed. If you want guaranteed return on your investment, buy T Bills. You can say whatever you want about the government causing the loss in your portfolio worth, but that doesn’t make it ok for you to demand that I pay it back out of my pocket.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:45 am
Nobody has a better system.
Two points:
1) There’s a reason that the rest of the world sends their med students and resident doctors to the US to learn, we are on the cutting edge of medicine innovation.
2) Socialized health care is not a glorious utopia. We have close friends from the UK. Their father had cancer, and couldn’t even get in a hospital for months. If it’s free, it’s also watered down.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:45 am
I have the nutz for the market. I knew better than to fall for that Madoff/Stanford shit. I have a very conservative portfolio and lost my ass. Just don’t act like these same “fighting for the working man” people didn’t know what was going on with the ponzi schemes and bank crisis.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:46 am
I can’t believe how many people actually want government intervention in their lives. It’s stuns me.
because god forbid anyone give an actual source for their thoughts.
from – 6.3.09
http://www.examiner.com/x-8817-Pittsburgh-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m6d30-Cap-and-Trade–A-carbon-tax
“Under the Cap and Trade bill, (specifically the Waxman amendment) homeowners will have to have their homes inspected before selling them. Homeowners will have t meet efficiency standards, such as energy efficient appliances, efficient windows, HVAC systems, insulations. If not maybe you will have to add new windows replace that old furnace”
July 1st, 2009 at 9:47 am
Let’s see…right now Americans fund drugs for the rest of the world, ER’s are money pits due to people without insurance using them as primary care doctors, lawsuits have made it impossible to keep costs down due to a need to check for every slight possibility and have ruined care because doctors are scared to death to be honest with patients in fear of getting sued, drug companies basically buy off doctors to force patients to use the new expensive drug even though it’s only marginally more effective than the drug that is available generically, OB GYN’s are refusing to deliver babies any more because of John Edwards (also, the tremendous rise the number of C-sections, a horribly costly, risky, invasive procedure), primary care doctors spend less than 5 minutes per patient because that’s the only way they can make any money…shall I go on?
July 1st, 2009 at 9:48 am
I would never ask for the government to give it back. I was just trying to make a point. I will bitch about it, but there’s nothing I can do about it. I will suck it up and try to build it up again.
Besides, I am a regular person. The government only helps out banks and General Motors these days.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:49 am
if you listen to all the people that complain about costs going up for energy, you’d think there were no alternatives out there that would reduce the cost/use of energy + give you a tax credit if you switch to using the alternative solution.
and about healthcare, how’s the socialized police force and fire department working out for you? Want to make the whole system private isntead of public?
tallguy had it right. everyone should be required to have insurance.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:50 am
and now they will die because the health care itself will be shittier.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:50 am
that part about life having ups and downs and the shit that don’t kill ya, all that, its true.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:50 am
Absolutely. Answer the second part of the question.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:52 am
you are talking state/local vs federal. but that will probably change down the line too. thanks for that scare.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:52 am
a comical misinterpretation; in any event, much of the Waxman amendments are going to get chopped out by the Senate.
I don’t want to get into this too much argument-wise, but I’m probably the only commenter on here that has a copy of the bill sitting on my desk, and actually work for a firm lobbying Casey and Spector on this.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:55 am
I already did in my previous post, Germany.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:56 am
Why not look at actual businesses that the government runs. Like, say, Amtrak and the US Postal Service. Those enterprises should tell you all you need to know about the ability of government to successfully run a business.
July 1st, 2009 at 9:57 am
are you saying the Examiner is a conservative publication : )
im sure that RCB will have as much of the whole bill chopped out as possible.
is there nothing in the entire bill that puts the earnest on an individual to comply with these “green” laws that will come out of this bill?
July 1st, 2009 at 9:58 am
Jay V – your a lobbyist? how do you sleep at night?
July 1st, 2009 at 9:58 am
You’re also probably one of 10 people that will actually have read the bill before it gets passed. To be a chief of staff of a senator…now that’s real power.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:02 am
Amtrak can definitely be very successful if there’s more emphasis on mass transist and a resurgence of cross country/state rails. if you ask me, i’d rather take a train from NY to Boston/DC/Philly than sit in traffic and spend $60+ on gas round trip.
USPS, when was the last time anyone sent a letter instead of an email? That’s a big part of the problem, not how the business was run.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:02 am
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, but the German system is a lot better than what a lot of people are clamoring for.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:03 am
Yeah FedEx and UPS are closing up shop tomorrow.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:05 am
The bill has a very low probability of passing. The coal state Democrat Senators aren’t going to get re-elected if they pass this bill, and they know it.
Whatever ultimately gets passed will be so vanilla as to not help the environment much at all. And really, until China gets on board with a similar proposal, there’s no point in even trying. It would end up being a huge wealth transfer to the BRICs otherwise.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:06 am
Not really…I’m an attorney, and we have a client who asked us to help out on this matter specifically. I was a player in Casey’s ‘06 campaign, hence my involvement. We don’t do any lobbying on any kind of a regular basis.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:12 am
yikes even worse
/married to a corporate lawyer
July 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am
the coal state house reps already made this clear.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:16 am
Yes…and no. They will vote against the bill…but they will stand firm with the Democrats against a Republican fillibuster.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:23 am
arent there some independents and republicans pro waxman that will give 60+ and null any Byrd/Rockefeller dem coal state nays?
July 1st, 2009 at 10:27 am
Gonna depend on what comes out of the negotiations…
July 1st, 2009 at 10:35 am
Sweet Jesus I will be so happy if the Rep’s throw that duo out there. Chalk up another Obama win.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:40 am
@NickP — What you are saying is true. Unfortunately, though, China and India currently take the position of “the West was allowed to pollute unfettered for 200 years, and now that we are finally developing, we don’t want to be restricted.”
That position isn’t likely to change unless we adopt at least some modest restrictions first.
I don’t think most people want more government intervention in their lives. I think they want to feel that their tax dollars are being used wisely and in a way that they get some service back for it.
I won’t debate the merits of our current or future health care system. No one is changing anyone else’s mind here.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:50 am
if you’re new here, you missed something that was just pointed out to me via gchat: This joint used to lean heavily to the left. In the last 6-8 months, that has changed.
significantly.
problem is, the republicans can’t find a guy. got about 2 yrs to do that. and unless he’s flexible on social issues, i dont think he’ll win.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:51 am
Nice to see that 2/3 of that list of republicans are retreads. Are they going for the sparse ‘NBA general manager’ vote?
July 1st, 2009 at 10:55 am
I happen to be in the group that doubts government will ever demonstrate that “our tax dollars are being used wisely..”.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:56 am
This joint used to lean heavily to the left. In the last 6-8 months, that has changed.
Welcome to Americas, where dissent/complaining is always the loudest sound in the room.
/myself included, unfortunately
July 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am
I am not sure what type of health care system will work best, but I do know that ours is retarded. I love the Rep’s talking point about having a bureaucrat between you and yor doctor. Right now we have some insurance d-bag in between the two. Something needs to change, but what is going to happen is the Rep’s AND the Dem’s who are owned by big Medicine are going to cave, and nothing will change. Which is just fantastic, as something like 80% of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills.
July 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am
This joint used to lean heavily to the left. In the last 6-8 months, that has changed.
Welcome to America, where dissent/complaining is always the loudest sound in the room.
/myself included, unfortunately
//fixed
July 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am
i was being sarcastic…i agree with TBL anything with Palin on it is gonna be a disaster
July 1st, 2009 at 10:59 am
let me back up. that Pell guy, he hooked it up. the government should pay for more education. i fed from that trough so I take my hasty generalization back.
restated – I have very little confidence that any elected official has my best interest in mind or has the ability to wisely choose how to spend my tax dollars. Though some have surprised me.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:00 am
you can thank the federal gov’t for managed health care.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:01 am
I know. It’s a ridiculous stance, of course.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:03 am
brought to you by the founding fathers and that master stroke known as the 1st amendment.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:04 am
Yeah, it has nothing to do with insurance companies trying to screw people to the wall or Bush and Co –and now Obama–not letting people get cheap medicine from Canada. What drives me nuts in the insurance companies complaining that a public option would put them out of business. Just lower your prices. Is it so bad only making 1 billion in profits as opposed to 2?
July 1st, 2009 at 11:04 am
I’ve never understood electing people to run a government who don’t believe government works.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:05 am
they should be using slave labor is what they should be doing.
uncalled for I know.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Also, we spend the most on health care and are ranked like 38th in the world. I understand not giving a shit about other people’s health/lives, but why support the waste of precious, precious money?
July 1st, 2009 at 11:07 am
HMO’s were forced back in the early 70s. they were mandated by congress. people have been bitching about them for decades now. that is not a bush or obama thing.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:08 am
so spending money is the ultimate measure of how well a government works?
July 1st, 2009 at 11:13 am
38th? link please.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:14 am
I don’t see how that’s what I said.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:16 am
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
I apoligize. We’re 37th. We Are better than slovenia.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:17 am
I thought you were saying you didnt understand participating in something you don’t believe works.
July 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am
I remember that line from Fahrenheit 911
July 1st, 2009 at 11:26 am
You’re thinking of Sicko
July 1st, 2009 at 11:57 am
Is the Republican party stupid enough to actually consider nominating Palin in 2012? Hey, if they want to go that route it’ll be great news for Obama.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Oh yeah. Was not as good as Fahrenheit or Columbine. Needs to go back to putting his goofy ass on camera more.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Is it so bad only making 1 billion in profits as opposed to 2?
Depends on if you own or plan on buying stock in said company. That’s the sad truth