NBA Free Agent Madness: The Detroit Huskies, Puzzling Memphis, and Ariza to Where?
NBA July 2nd. 2009, 9:55am
Briefly recapping a somewhat frenzied night in the NBA:
Zach Randolph of the Clippers traded to the Grizzlies
A dollop of optimism in the tiny universe comprised of all eight Clippers fans; Donald Sterling did the unthinkable and moved Zach Randolph’s horrendous contract. Three reasons this move is bizarre (slash OK!) for Memphis:
1) In early 2008, they dealt Pau Gasol to the Lakers for garbage. They didn’t want to pay Gasol. Randolph’s due $33 million over the next two years. Why?
2) How in the name of Ricky Davis will the Grizz run a cohesive offense with ballhogs Randolph, OJ Mayo, and Rudy Gay? Mike Conley must be soiling himself in fear. You think he can massage those egos?
3) Notoriously cheap Memphis is not going to be the top destination for any free agents (or even second and third tier players). So the only way to improve is through trades and the draft, and on paper, who can complain about acquiring a 20-10 guy and a 7-foot-3 shot-blocker? Not sure how Marc Gasol-Thabeet-Randolph divvy up the minutes, but that’s another problem for another day.
Lastly, who do you think made this call, the owner, Michael Heisley, or the inept GM, Chris Wallace? Wouldn’t surprise us if drafting Thabeet and then this trade were both the work of the owner.
Charlie Villanueva (5 yrs, $40 million) and Ben Gordon (5 yrs, $55 million) to the Pistons
Stats Hollinger thinks the Gordon acquisition exudes a nostalgia of the Isiah-Dumars-Microwave holy trinity that captured two titles. We’re not so sure. Two of those guys play zero defense, and Stuckey’s jump shot, at this point in his career, is unreliable. But given the alternatives, this isn’t a bad haul to begin with. (Of note: Seems like Detroit might be giving the Orlando Magic 1-4 offense a look; they draft a lithe 6-foot-10 guy who could play PF; Villanueva’s in the same mold. Otis Smith must be thrilled he started such a fad.)
The problems: The Pistons, a team historically known for defense, just landed two guys who often seem to be indifferent defending. If this is all the Pistons do - meaning they don’t get a center - then we’d project them as a playoff team in the 5-8 range. Potential 4th quarter lineup: Stuckey, Gordon, Rip, Prince, Villanueva. Thin, but quick, and versatile.
Trevor Ariza to … Toronto or Portland?
All that talk of him returning to LA? Squashed for now. The Lakers offered $5.6 million; Ariza wanted something in the $7-8 million range. Don’t scoff - even though he only played 24 minutes a game, he’s an ideal SF who only turned 24 last week: Decent 3-point shooter (31 percent in his first season really jacking 3’s), very good defender and solid slasher. It seems like Portland and Toronto are the front-runners for Hedo Turkoglu, and the loser gets Ariza.
The obvious word of caution: Ariza has been in the league for five years and didn’t show anything in New York … but he did in Orlando and LA. A benefit of playing with Howard and then Kobe?
Josh Childress … Back to the NBA Already?
Here’s a random note at the bottom of David Aldridge’s column: “… forward Josh Childress … will visit the Milwaukee Bucks on Thursday, according to his agent, Jim Tanner. Childress can return to the NBA, but his rights would still be owned by the Atlanta Hawks, who drafted him in 2004, as a restricted free agent — meaning the Hawks could match any offer from other teams for Childress. But Childress has not yet decided whether to stay in Greece for a second season or come back to the NBA.”
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July 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 am
Pistons love those UConn players. (Gordon, Charlie, Rip)
Lakers making a push for Artest?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Just who you want to put around young players Zach Randolph. Giving Gasol away and then trading for Randolph proves that management and ownership are clueless in Memphis.
Villanueva would have been a better fit for the Cavs then Shaq. Shaq to the Cavs still makes zero long term sense.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 am
this dude had a good initial take on the pistons move.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 am
Did you mean Turkoglu? Article doesnt mention Ariza.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
artest and ariza have both been in touch with the cavs. looks like dan gilbert’s spending every bit of cash he has.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 am
I don’t remember the background on the Gasol trade. I do remember it coming sort of out of the blue. I remember Shaq trade talk more than Gasol trade talk. Were any other teams actively offering for him? I’d like to know what the other offers for him involved.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 am
Randolph - all talent, no brain. The right kind of person to put in a young locker room if you’re looking for trouble.
Ariza - I’m surprised the Lakers didn’t make a stronger push to keep him. Send Kobe to his house and have him convince Ariza to stay
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 am
Sounding like Ariza is headed to the Cavs.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 am
Thanks Duder, wrong link
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 am
Love the move by the pistons, Gordons got his flaws but the man can score, Charlie was probably the best young big man available. Hell I dont even think either one is really overpaid.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 am
spencer whod you rather have? LA might get the other one.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:17 am
Ariza has been in the league for five years and didn’t show anything in New York
This isn’t really fair, as he was the guy Isaiah got credit for drafting, and he was dealt so quickly for Steve Franchise. He was progressing in NY, only one year out of one year of college.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
between artest and ariza? ariza in a cocaine heartbeat.
no offense to tru warrier, but it boils down to age and long-term prospects. gimme the young dude.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
I don’t remember the background on the Gasol trade. I do remember it coming sort of out of the blue. I remember Shaq trade talk more than Gasol trade talk. Were any other teams actively offering for him? I’d like to know what the other offers for him involved.
He got traded weeks before the deadline. It wasn’t at all out of the blue, but people weren’t ready to make their best deals till they had to. And LA stole him, superfast. Teams had been trying to pry him away with better offers the whole offseason (same with KG, though).
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
In other minor news, it seems that the Pacers might actually be able to pawn the Tinman off on the 76ers.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
The Grizzlies are making the playoffs next year. It will be stupid, it will be random. It will make us angry, but that team is making the playoffs next year.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
The Grizz are actually geniuses. They are getting Randolph right now, and they will use him as leverage against all the teams who desperately want him at next year’s trade deadline.
/and then they’ll just say “screw it” and trade him to the Lakers for Adam Morrison and a 2nd round pick in 2015
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
These moves make them , what, the sixth or seventh best team in the east behind Cle Bos Orl Mia Atl Wash?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
The Grizzlies are making the playoffs next year. It will be stupid, it will be random. It will make us angry, but that team is making the playoffs next year.
The NBA doesn’t work like that. Teams don’t accidentally make the playoffs with rosters like that. It’s not like winning a game in the NCAA tournament. You have to win 47 games to finish 8th in the West, and if you’re Memphis, you can’t count on getting 6 cheap wins by playing Memphis.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
Yea, you are going to need someone to fill that sf position in the future…
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 am
go fuck yourself.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
Maybe if they played in the lEast.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
Ariza played/didn’t play in NY under Larry Brown as a young player. Nuff Said.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Did you see the Christian Eyenga highlights?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
Hi Hugh,
that name is a little unsettling. It’s already a bigtime sausage party in here. I’m not sure we need a boner, too.
I agree with your comment, though. I thought the Pistons would take the year off, and be big players in the 2010 FA class, but they sort of jumped the gun early.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
See. Spence, I’d feel the same way, if they didn’t just draft Danny Green…I view Danny Green as doing much the same as Ariza. I’d take Artest given they have Green. If they sign Artest, I’d pick ‘em to win the title next year.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
Dumars is rebuilding w/o tearing it all down. Nobody believes these moves are the last major ones that will be made over the next year or two. They obviously need a big man more than anything right now. I think Price will be traded.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:27 am
Childress wants back in the NBA so badly. He must not have known that getting paid on time in Europe is optional.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:28 am
NO and HOU are prime to take a step back next year. Say what you will, but Memphis def got better since last season. If you look at the West, an argument can be made for them getting in. They will be younger than a lot of teams, they will have a core that has been together longer than other teams. Grizz are making the playoffs next year.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 am
everyone is all in for 2010. The Pistons never lure the biggest FAs, even when they can with the money. You think they will be able to outbid, NY, Miami or Chicago for any of those guys? Name a big time free agent that has ever signed with the Pistons. go ahead, name me one.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
You made that way to easy Spence
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
I’d have them around 4th, but regardless these are two young guys (3 with Stuckey) to build around while still having experience guys like Rip/Tayshaun around. There’s certainly worse players they could have spent that money on.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
@Sparty: I give credit to Dumars for what he is doing, but he better be sure that he gets a top flight coach and that Stuckey can give him at least a top 15 pg performance.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
Adrian Dantley
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 am
Both Brian Windhorst and the Lakers LA Times blog writers think Ariza’s agent is ripping the Lakers to drum up more money. I guess he did the same with Bynum and afterwards, everything was cool. But seriously, he’s obviously worth a little more than the mid-level.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 am
Bill Simmons just posted this on Twitter: Statement from Pistons to fans: “Look, any time you can tank a season for the chance to spend $95 mill on 2 non-AllStars, you gotta do it.”
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 am
at the end of his career. he could score, but i would never call him a big time FA that would be in the class of guys like a Wade or LeBron.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:41 am
yeah this guy david lee (the agent, not the player) appears to be a douchebag of epic proportions. look at tsome odf the hyperbole he spewed last year while trying to get the lakers to sign bynum to a max extension “I just don’t get it,” he said. “I do not understand certain things that happen. Andrew has taken everything the Lakers have thrown at him, including criticism. He doesn’t do anything to respond other than go on the court. He just goes on with his business.”
and today about the ariza negotiations, this little diddy: “All we’re looking for is little appreciation for what Trevor has done,” Lee said Wednesday. “I don’t think they believe Trevor is serious about leaving, and that’s too bad. I didn’t think we’d be in this situation. I am disappointed and surprised by what I thought would be some feelings for the people who have given you everything they’ve got.”)
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:42 am
NO and HOU are prime to take a step back next year.
Houston will still be pretty good, because they are anxious to spend money to get good. Huge loss in Yao, but they may make a bigtime deal yet, with their big bargaining chip.
Even as New Orleans goes down, I’ll take the Thunder making the playoffs a long time before Memphis. I’ll bet they lead the league in joints rolled, and posse members, but they’re not getting above .500.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Bill Simmons just pulled off a tweet that doesn’t reference classic Youtube videos or make backhanded compliments at Kobe? Is that really him?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 am
what a bastard…it’s almost like he’s hired to make his clients the most money they can. jeez, what a bitch.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 am
Hey…..we haven’t traded Chandler for nothing, yet.
Some kind of shake-up involving West and/or Chandler is coming, and I don’t think we Hornets fans are going to like how it turns out.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:55 am
Darko > Zbo
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:55 am
The reason you haven’t traded Chandler for nothing yet is because you’re so desperate to package chandler with peja. You aren’t fielding offers for just Chandler right now, so you missed out on the Ghost of Ben Wallace.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 am
bullshit…darko never did anything as awesome as this.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 am
On agents, I agree that they’re hired to get all the money they can. At the same time, the public pronouncements don’t help negotiations at all. It seems mainly like an opp for the agent to advertise himself to prospective clients and show how much he fights for his guys.
Re: the Clippers, Chuck Klosterman did a nice job on the BS Report (Part 1) prodding Simmons about his slamming of Dunleavy. It was pretty interesting all-around, because Klosterman tried to pull apart Simmons fan-writer identity, and Simmons couldn’t get his head around it.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
which agents don’t do this?
boras does it. rosenhaus does it. tom condon does it. jerry maguire does it.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Yeah, but #1 and #2 are the only ones big enough to convince the WWL to act as their personal mouthpiece.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
What about Bus Cook and Jimmy Sexton?
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
good business plan, no? probably why they have the highest profile clients in their respective sports.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
Re: the Clippers, Chuck Klosterman did a nice job on the BS Report (Part
Was one of the best Simmons podcasts yet…Klosterman was on fire.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 am
Klosterman is awesome. Plus he looks like a mountain man.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 am
Cook for one client–absolutely. I always thought the WWL was tough on the dictator-type college football coaches. They do love the shit out of Parcells though.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am
They all do it–doesn’t mean it helps negotiations. When a player does that much self-promotion, we call him a d-bag. Same goes for the agent (particularly one who shoplifts the pootie).
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am
Coop - I agree they could have spent money on worse players. But who else could they have spent that much money on that is worse? Not many guys cost that much and aren’t really top line starters.
I said it yesterday and I stand by it…Gordon is Bobby Jackson. Nothing more, nothing less. CV hasn’t impressed in the NBA whatsoever. These two would ideally be bench guys. CV like an Odom in LA and BG like…well, like any guy that just comes off the bench to score.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am
Von Wafer looking like he might sign with Pacers…interesting.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:39 am
He’s not even as good a ball-handler as Jackson.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 am
I disagree. Rosenhaus tells The Leader that 15 teams are interested in Plaxico Burress, and they run it as the gospel truth. I have a problem with that. And it does put more pressure on the 2 or 3 teams that are actually interested in him.
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 am
ive always liked von wafer.
but he’s not white, so how would he fit on the pacers?
July 2nd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
so dumars blows up the team and tanks a season to get gordon and villanueva. they of the combined 0 all star game berths. Wow.
Darko is smiling