Steve McNair, 1973-2009
Death, Drugs, Ice Skating, NFL retirees July 8th. 2009, 6:45pm
We were all set to end the day with the harrowing tale of figure skater Nicole Bobek, who looked like this 10 years ago, but allegedly was part of a meth ring, got nabbed by cops, and now looks like this. Tragic. She’s looking at possibly 10 years in the slammer. Significantly more tragic - the findings of police in Tennessee in regard to the Steve McNair murder: They say his girlfriend of six months, Sahel Kazemi, saw her life spinning out of control, so she decided to sneak up to him on the couch last weekend and pop the former QB in the temple. Then two the chest, one more to the temple, and one to her own head.
She had recently saw signs that McNair may be involved with another woman, and she might have been worried about making rent payments and payments on two cars, including a Cadillac Escalade registered in both her and McNair’s name. “We do believe there was evidence that she was spinning out of control,†Serpas said.
Athletes with girls on the side who didn’t get the memo from Holly Robinson Peete via twitter won’t soon forget today’s sad press conference. We’ll sign on this story with a quote from PFT, which has been a fantastic read - the best outside of the Tennessee papers, really - throughout this saga:
There’s something about a woman with gunpowder residue on her left hand and a bullet hole in her right temple that makes us wonder what the hell is going on.
And now decidedly less tragic than the above tales of woe: Did Tom Brady know that his wifey owes $72,000 in back taxes to the State of California when they got hitched? They’re probably figured out a solution - after all, she’s pregnant and worth over $30 million.
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July 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
During the Olympics way back when I used to pound it daily to Nicole Bobek. I had an early Tivo (aka VCR) and recorded her routine then would replay it in my room at night. We didn’t have the internets back then, we had to spank it to anything we could find.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Unfortunately McNair’s wife saw no such signs that Steve may be involved with a woman let alone multiple women.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
It looks like The Big Lead…
(slowly removes sunglasses)
…just got cut down by Occam’s Razor.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I don’t know if anyone said this before, but if anyone wants a good laugh listen to Ron Artest’s new song “Michael, Michael, Michael You My Nigga”. Fucking priceless.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Steve McNair died?!? Wow. This is the first I’ve heard of this craziness.
/Sike!
July 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
If she was in the major’s they would have just said she has “social anxiety” and would have put her on the 15-day DL.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
jim, that’s deeeeep. had to look that shit up. nicely done. it wont be the last time, that’s for sure.
yelnik, your work this week has been nothing short of stellar. if only you could win the lottery and comment on every post.
the big question … can i hit 7 in streak for cash tonight? Took the dodgers (prolly a mistake) and with a win i’ll take the angles for 8. if i hit 10 i’ll stop picking 3 games a day just for the F of it and try to take the shit seriously
July 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
OOPS. just went to espn.com and the front page caption says: “The circumstances surrounding Steve McNair’s confusing death have shaken fans from Nashville to Mississippi. Will 36 years be defined by a final mistake?”
i haven’t clicked open, but … do they think him dating a girl for 6 MONTHS was a mistake?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
mistake: wrote the check for the wrong amount.
mistake: leaving the chili on the stove too long.
not a mistake: dating a chick for 6 months when you’re married. i wonder what the reaction will be to him making her pay for the car he “bought” her…
July 8th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
If he was married and didn’t have a pre-nup, it was at the very least a mistake, right? And you can refer to a relationship as a mistake, I think.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
There is no making sense of the McNair deal. Yeah, he shouldn’t have cheated - no doubt - but Phil Hartman didn’t and his own crazy wife shot him in his sleep. When it’s your time, it’s your time and that’s that.
Jay Mohr guest-hosted the Jim Rome show today. He brought up an old Chris Rock joke. Rock said “They say life is short. But not if your wife catches you cheating on her. Then it’s loooooooooooooooong.”
Sadly, not the case here.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
pre-nup … might not be a mistake.
maybe he thought she was the one and they were perfect and all that lovey-dovey jazz?
a relationship you or I have could be a mistake … not an athlete who is married with 4 kids. oops, i bought this chick an escalade (and put it in both of our names). i can’t imagine how bad mcnair’s wife must crushed right now.
and the girl’s parents! a few weeks ago they had dinner with mcnair … then their daughter kills herself and mcnair. so bizarre
July 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
damn, scripty. just went and re-read the hartman story … makes me wonder if i should lock my gun up so the wife can’t find it? luckily, she doesn’t do cocaine
July 8th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
TBL - I always wonder about these people’s friends. If I was doing this stuff (cheating for a long time, talking about killing myself) my friends would be slapping me straight in no time.
IMO, when crap like this happens, it’s b/c you had friends who weren’t really friends, who were wimps with no balls to set you straight.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I guess the bottom line is don’t fall asleep around your woman. It goes south.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
He’s human like the rest of us. A high profile doesn’t protect you from your own flaws.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Best reference ever. Mad ups to William of Occam.
You should have it locked up no matter what. Keep it the F off the mantlepiece. See Chekhov, Anton.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Married, girlfriend, second girlfriend. Sounds like little Steve was a busy guy.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Totally agree TBL. It’s the same thing with Donte Stallworth and Michael Vick. Donte Stallworth actions may have led to a worse result (dead man vs. dead/tortured dogs) but Stallworth made a momentary bad decision, a mistake. Vick on the other hand spent years torturing dogs, breeding them, spending money on this “entertainment.” That’s not a mistake, that’s a lifestyle choice. In the same way dating a woman for six months on the side is not a mistake. It’s a lifestyle choice. It’s who you are.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
TJ - Greenpeace protestors unfurl banner on Mt. Rushmore http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hr0cmDQOuKGmuc5UQyfhQGAvB-zQ
Damn, although they sometimes hurt their own cause with extremism, this is a pretty ballsy stunt. Reminds me of my senior year prank…. Kudos.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
To put it another way when you conciously decide you want to fuck somebody besides your wife and do it that’s not a mistake, that’s accomplishing your goal.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I don’t think it was a mistake so much as a wrong action attributable to bad judgment or ignorance or inattention.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Gay
•cheery: bright and pleasant; promoting a feeling of cheer; “a cheery hello”; “a gay sunny room”; “a sunny smile”
•full of or showing high-spirited merriment; “when hearts were young and gay”; “a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company”- Wordsworth; “the jolly crowd at the reunion”; “jolly old Saint Nick”; “a jovial old gentleman”; “have a merry Christmas”; “peals of merry laughter”; “a mirthful …
•given to social pleasures often including dissipation; “led a gay Bohemian life”; “a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies”
•brave: brightly colored and showy; “girls decked out in brave new dresses”; “brave banners flying”; “`braw’ is a Scottish word”; “a dress a bit too gay for her years”; “birds with gay plumage”
•offering fun and gaiety; “a festive (or festal) occasion”; “gay and exciting night life”; “a merry evening”
•homosexual or arousing homosexual desires
July 8th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Sidebar: Was Unfaithful (2002, Gere, Lane) fully appreciated as a damn good movie, or is it still unappreciated?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
She had recently saw signs that McNair may be involved with another woman, and she might have been worried about making rent payments and payments on two cars, including a Cadillac Escalade registered in both her and McNair’s name. “We do believe there was evidence that she was spinning out of control,†Serpas said.
“clearly, Frank,
(removes glasses)
this man was offed when he tried to dump off his jump off”
YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Taguchi, is your point that context matters? I agree. Which is why I think arguing over the semantics here is silly. Dude picked the wrong girl. You might say that he made a mistake when choosing a sidepiece.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I suspect it was appreciated by yelnik.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Things that dissipate:
1. Rain.
2. People described as “gay,” according to the Almighty Google.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Ahh, semantics again. He fucked up royally.
so she decided to sneak up to him on the couch last weekend and pop the former QB in the temple. Then two the chest, one more to the temple, and one to her own head.
Was she in the Iranian assassin forces? She wanted his ass dead.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I just think that to most people “mistake” connotates a small personal failure, not a concerted effort to, for example, cheat on your wife for six months. But your right, it is a silly thing to argue about (if this is, in fact, arguing).
July 8th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
yelnik, your work this week has been nothing short of stellar. if only you could win the lottery and comment on every post.
obviously, TBL is a big fan of gagging throats and masterbation
/who knew?’d
July 8th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
In other news, Zach Greinke is likely to soon be disabled with social anxiety.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
who in the world rushes to tell a bunch of dudes all the particulars of his wanking habits? He had to get that in as the first comment.
Seriously yelnik, go somewhere else. And take your sock with you.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
i dont buy that he was cheating (tomato/tomatoe). Ive heard that they were getting divorced. They went on a vacation together and didnt care if people photographed them. They had a car in both their names. He was ALWAYS with her. That to me sounds like the marriage was DONE. now its only a matter of opinion if you want to call that cheating since the divorce wasnt final. I dont want to smear his wife but i dont buy it that she had no clue. She was in denial if anything.
/cell phone’d
July 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
I seriously like this song. I think it’s the emotional guitar riff.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Yeah! More comments on murdering fawns, please.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
unfaithful? really? other than gere killing the guy, and lane close to nude, i wasn’t a huge fan of the movie.
however, got stuck watching must love dogs on a flight … now THAT’S a bad movie.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I thought John Cusack was incapable of being in a truly horrible movie, and I was wrong.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
my fiancee likes to watch SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE. i despise that bitch that likes to scream like a god damn idiot. Mute botton works wonders.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I liked that he was stuck at the red light next to the Police Station at the end. You could perceive after he looked at his wife, it was possibly time to confess. Or to drive away and know you have to live with it, all b/c your hot wife is a two-bit skank… And she gave the best sex she had to some punk… etc.. lots to chew on. If I am thinking about a movie a few days later, digesting and appreciating it - I give it “good movie” status.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
In other news, Zach Greinke is likely to soon be disabled with social anxiety. Taguchi
Yikes. Zach chooses not to pitch well when it is hot out. It is like reverse seasonal depression disorder. Hey… you are from St. Louis, right?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Joe P. is in the zone this year. If he doens’t win sports writer of the year, the award is a joke (other than, you know, Reilly winning it a ton). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/07/08/federer.woods/1.html
July 8th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
TexasFan. I love me that English broad who hosts.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
scripty - because you posted this now, does that mean i have to yank it out of the roundup?
Hernia, i thought my highlight was the Mickey Tettleton-Morandini line. that’s all i got.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Yep. If I was on the Royals I wouldn’t have anxiety, I’d have depression.
Love Posnanski. He’s doing a talk at the St. Louis Library next Saturday, plan to go.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
TBL can you write the program for my Funeral when I die? Make sure you mention Philip Rivers because he has absolutely nothing to do with me.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Tettleton-Morandini was greeeat. I love that old Tigers team. Deer, Tettleton, Dan Gladden, etc
July 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
TBL: No. Just use another link! Crisis averted.
JPQ: My appreciation for CSI Miami references knows no bounds.
YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
But, even though Diane Lane is nearly twice my age, she is hot as hell.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Taguchi - tell him you know somebody in Cleveland that’s still pissed at him!
July 8th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I like chicks with face scars so much I’m thinking of giving my wife one.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Yep. If I was on the Royals I wouldn’t have anxiety, I’d have depression.
That’s Zach! So, do you get Royals games on FSN? And, if so, why would subject yourself to this awfulness? Zach is pitching much better as the game goes on, but to think our bats to get three runs is, well, a bit depressing.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
<blockquoteRon Artest’s new song “Michael, Michael, Michael You My Niggaâ€. Fucking priceless.
I seriously like this song. I think it’s the emotional guitar riff.
TSH- I like it too. You are spot on with the guitar riff. Its real shit.
Im also loving Artest in LA, this season is gonna be epic. I might get a Artest Jersey.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
varicose veins and a face scar? glutton for punishment, huh?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I get your FSN (I get the St. Louis one, yours, and Cincinatti’s for some reason), but for whatever reason baseball blacks out the reds/royals games. I’ve got mlb tv, so watching on this. Why? Fantasy baseball. I watch an awful lot of awfulness because of fantasy baseball.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I don’t know what this means. Does Diane Lane have varicose veins?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
look everyone, the marlins are only 1.5 games out of first!
my 2 futures bets were the Mariners over 73
Marlins over 75.5
small money, but both are looking like decent plays, though it’s early
July 8th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
The Marlins currently have a -15 run differential and are one of the worst teams in the NL in pitching and defense. If not for the fact that the NL East is dogshit (worse than the NL West even) they’d be 8 back. Having said that, they’ll probably hit 76 wins based on how awful their division is.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
TBL - are the NFL over/unders up yet? What are the Browns (can’t look - at work)
July 8th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
so uhhh, can we revisit the WAGs post? Thats a fantastic topic
July 8th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Tied for 6th in the NL in FIP
July 8th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Full disclosure, just listened to it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcUdkHgIVU
July 8th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
baseball and stats - love that stuff. marlins overachieve at 43-41 and you slam them like they’re the pirates.
anyone listen to the simmons podcast? it might be the first time he hasn’t referenced this site in a mocking tone. progress? eh. only through 11 mins of it.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
It’s strange to say the Giants would be in first in the NL East. Everyone in the NL West outside of first place is usually barely swimmin’ above .500.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
I slammed them like they’re the Pirates? I said their record is not indicative of how good they are. You think the NL East is good?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
FIP is imperfect. Any stat involving pitchers that ignores HRs allowed is missing the mark ever so slightly, no?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
I like chicks with face scars so much I’m thinking of giving my wife one. Hef.
Hef’s dreamgal is the cut up whore from Unforgiven. “She’s cut up. Cut up bad.” Clint Motherfucking Eastwood.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
TSH- I prefer this one the whole moonwalker picture freaks me out.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
“I know you in heaven, I hope to see you next year”
What’s Artest trying to foreshadow?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
I slammed them like they’re the Pirates? I said their record is not indicative of how good they are. You think the NL East is good?
If you want to gamble on baseball and win stats that are predictive of future performance are your best bet. If you are a person who likes baseball I don’t understand why you would be threatened by information about it. RIP firejoemorgan.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
i cant wait until the first post tommorow where we examine the best nhl player/country star matchup.
so far i only got
sidney crosby = kenny chesney because both of them like dudes(supposedly)
July 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
anyone listen to the simmons podcast? it might be the first time he hasn’t referenced this site in a mocking tone. progress? eh. only through 11 mins of it.
I listened today. He knocks you around pretty good, says the Cowherd crashing you is the greatest thing that ever happened to you. I made it through almost the whole thing. Simmons obviously hates Cowherd and vice versa.
Also, I just had to chase the same stupid bear out of my yard that I chased yesterday.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Close. My wife looks like Tina Fey but without the scar. I’m wondering how hard it would be to give her one…
July 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
“Fuck Everybody Hatin’ They can go to hell”- Ron Artest
July 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Triston, this was our take on that gem of a quote.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
obvi the best division in baseball is the AL East. talent-wise, i dont see how the NL East isn’t 2nd.
phillies won the WS, but Rollins is struggling and Hamels isn’t himself and they need SPs. how many better offenses are there in baseball?
the mets have a slew of offensive injuries. they should be fine when their guys come back.
the marlins have some of the best young talent that’s in the bigs right now.
hey, the braves aren’t that bad so far.
i’d take the all stars from the NL East over the all stars from the NL Central anyday
July 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Your screaming into the wind here. Might as well just let it go. Trust me.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
I already have one… A Bulls one.
Can’t believe I just admitted that.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
It looks like that was the original cover, almost as if they were destined to meet in heaven, or on an album cover.
/Artest’d
July 8th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
not threatened by stats at all. enjoy them, actually. just dont live/die by them when talking about teams, talent, etc
i love the jeter sucks at defense therefore he blows as a player argument.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
The Marlins are offense only. Just like the Phillies. Of the 25 best pitchers in the NL, only one of them is on the Phillies and one of them is on the Marlins (Hamels and Johnson). The Braves have good pitchers but they also have a slew of bad ones and no offense. The Mets have been bit by the injury bug and only have one good pitcher. To modify an old cliche, offense ain’t everything…pitching and defense matter a great deal.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I think you need an FIP primer.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
nice retraction
July 8th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I wish that young Theo was completely unaware of this. Particularly in ‘04.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
He doesn’t blow as a player. He’s a very good player. Probably deserved the MVP over Morneau a few years back. But people bring up his defense when talking about his greatness and this is laughable.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
No, he’s average as a player, therefore he’s overpaid to the nth degree.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Granted, xFIP is a better stat, but I couldn’t find it on Fangraphs.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Nice.
@Hef: FIP considers homers. It’s still not perfect of course.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I would too. unfortunately everyone who isn’t an all star in that division is pretty awful. The phillies/mets have two good (maybe only two even average) starters and even they are sort of scary this year. The braves have no offense at all. The Nationals, wow. The Marlins don’t really do anything well. It’s a bad, bad division. The NL West is far better, and that’s freaking amazing.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Beltran may not be back for a long, long time. He was their best player this year prior to getting hurt.
And better offenses than the Phillies? Any single team in the AL East and the Rangers in the AL. In the NL? The Dodgers.
Probably true but Pujols carries the weight of the entire Mets roster right now.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Just wanted to check the full quote from The Unforgiven. How the hell is that only checking in at #112 at IMDB?
Will Munny: It’s a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he’s got and all he’s ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.
If I could write like that I wouldn’t be on here… oh wait.. I probably would..
July 8th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
I’m so about to get into an argument with Hef. Awesome.
My point: Jeter’s a good, above-average shortstop and his defense isn’t so egregiously bad that it cancels out his runs created, especially because he’s at short. But the statistics he puts up, if we’re only looking at one season and not his impressive career, are statistics Brett Gardner’s putting up in fewer PAs and with less protection in the lineup. This is all without having stats in front of me.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
are you really trying to say the of the 25 best SPs in the NL, only 3 are in the NL East? really? don’t embarrass yourself, man. come on now …
July 8th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
My mistake. I was misinformed. How about this: utilizing a stat that doesn’t include defense on a team that pitches to contact is silly.
/better?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Jeter’s defensive numbers are freakishly good this year. Still a small sample though.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Did you read what I wrote? Read it again. I’ll wait.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Pujols’ season this year may well be the most impressive offensive season in baseball history, non-Bonds/Ruth division, when all is said and done.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
If you gave the phillies the braves pitching staff there would be a team.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Jeter is paid what he’s paid because he’s a True Yankee. He deserves every penny. Also, his defense rawks.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
You’re giving Brett Gardner a hell of a lot of credit. And as far as I can see, Brett Gardner doesn’t have any postseason statistics.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Hello, Mr. Strawman. We meet again.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Go back again. Of the 25 best I said one was on the Phillies and one was on the Marlins. There are 3 on the Braves and one on the Mets. The NL East is slim in the area of good pitching.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Jeter’s hitting better than Gardner and playing a tougher position. So that’s more valuable.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
/fixed
July 8th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Brett Gardner is pretty fucking fantastic defensively though.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Indeed, it’s this kind of thinking that can lead you down a path where you think Juan Pierre is good at baseball.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
@Andy: No one in MLB has more hits than Jeter over the last 11 years. So you’re absolutely right, not only is he average, he’s basically Brett Gardner.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
But he never strikes out!!! He’s a gamer! I’d totally take him over Manny!
/Mr. Strawman’s Cousin
July 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I like the modern baseball stats but aren’t up on all of them, but isn’t Jeter’s zone rating the last 5 years the worst in the AL?
Wouldn’t this be a pretty important metric of his defense? Wouldn’t this alone make him a sub-standard defender? (Unless he’s playing Carl Ripken Jr.-like angles on every play - from what I read - he’s not….)
July 8th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Yeah, small sample size.
Oh, shush. I’m taking back that average crack.
However: Hits isn’t exactly the best stat ever. What about runs created and things of that nature?
And, for good measure:
There are only six guys, really? Who? Johnson, Hamels, Lowe/Vazquez/Jurrjens, and Santana?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I’d take out Lowe and put in Nolasco. And I’m convinced Hamels is hurt.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Pelfrey is just outside the top 25. You hit the list right on the head.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
As we speak, Jeter is on second with A-Rod up. This is fate.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Damn, I forgot about Nolasco.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
It’s only the fifth inning. What is Jeter doing on base? His clutch ass only shows after the 7th right?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
They cut off her teets; crapped in her cunny!
/clint
July 8th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
19 other NL guys: Lilly, Harden, Zambrano, Wells, Wainwright, Carpenter, Lohse, Oswalt, Gallardo, Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Davis, Billingsley, Kershaw, Kuroda, Wolf, Cook, Marquis, Jiminez
Injured but still better than anyone in the East: Peavy, Webb, Dempster
The six east: Nolasco, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Santana, Hamels, Johnson,
July 8th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Taguchi, you forgot Scherzer who’s really quite good as well (young though).
July 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Jeter safe at home!
July 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Dempster isn’t better than anyone in the East.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
no mention of the braves 3 being in the top 25.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
You might be able to throw Andrew Miller in there on talent alone. I mean, without looking at numbers, the top 25 SPs in the NL? In no particular order.
Santana, Josh Johnson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Vasquez, Zambrano, Lilly, Carpenter, Gallardo, Volquez, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Peavy, Haren, Wainwright, Kershaw, Cueto, Oswalt, Chris Young…that’s only 20
Wandy Rodriguez? Marquis? Randy Wolf? Harden? Dempster? Jimenez?
Who am I missing? Who did I leave off?
/sparks debate
July 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
missed scherzer
July 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
heh, just saw you noticed.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Jeter is a bad (terrible even) defender relative to shortstops, but shortstops are the best defenders in baseball (leave catchers out for a second; that’s a different skill set entirely). He still offers more defensive value than any random corner outfielder, first baseman, and nearly all 3rd basemen, 2nd basemen, and CF.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
And I forgot Nolasco too. Probably because he’s a former Cub. He’s dead to me.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Wandy, Cueto, Harang, and injured Volquez as well (forgot the reds.) ALL better than all but six of the NL east.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Should we throw J.A. Happ into the mix? Kid has impressed so far, even though he’s young.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong, you know.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
hell, zach duke.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
We ALL left out Brandon Webb.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Happ not better than any of those, what, 25-28 guys now?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
If they keep pitching to him, I agree. But how much longer will that continue? He has zero protection(unless Mozeliak can pull off a big trade, and how likely is that?), and walking him is the best option. The most impressive thing about his season? Going into Wednesday night, he had only 4 more strikeouts than home runs(35 to 31). He’s not called The Machine for nothin’, ya know.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Cueto and Volquez
July 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Injured but still better than anyone in the East: Peavy, Webb, Dempster
The six east: Nolasco, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Santana, Hamels, Johnson,
I did not souvenir
July 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Nah, not a big enough sample size yet, hopefully he ends up in Toronto at some point this year though.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Andrew, I know it’s late, but you can’t possibly be drunk at 7pm in ‘Zona.
You mention specific #’s from the Phillies and Marlins, and Johan’s a given. You don’t quantify the Braves. You botched it, it’s oK, let’s move on. (or move back: you said the NL East sucks … what’s the 2nd and 3rd best division in baseball?)
Pelfrey may have better stats than Nolasco this year, but you can take him, i’ll go Ricky. I’d put Ricky close to that top 25. awful start, but he’s coming around.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
19 other NL guys: Lilly, Harden, Zambrano, Wainwright, Carpenter, Oswalt, Gallardo, Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Billingsley, Kershaw, Wolf, Marquis, Jiminez, Cueto, Wandy, Harang, Scherzer
Injured but still better than anyone in the East: Peavy, Webb, Dempster, Volquez, Lohse
The six east: Nolasco, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Santana, Hamels, Johnson,
under the six east guys but better than anyone else there: davis, wells, cook, duke
July 8th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
So if Hudson comes back in late August or September (I know he won’t qualify stats-wise), where does he fit in the top 30? And I haven’t looked, but if Lowe’s outside the top 25, he’s got to be close, right? With the way the rest of the division has pissed on their collective leg, that has to shape up as a decent advantage for the Braves, right?
/yes, I’ve talked myself into this
//and I’ll admit I’m a homer
July 8th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
I don’t want to make you type it again Taguchi but…Chris Young.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
This is a false choice because The AL is so much better than the NL. The NL West is clearly the class of the NL though.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
wait, how’s Lowe outside the top 25?
i thought the 6 from the NL East were Lowe, Jari, Vaz .. Hamels, Johan, Johnson
July 8th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
@NickP - Continue that thought? So does you’re comment imply his defense is good, bad or average. If my life depended on it, I’d have to say bad - right?
Overall - Jetes is very good. Clutch. Good team guy in a the ultimate market. I think he hurt the team by letting A-Fraud twist in the wind so much when it would have helped the team to cover for that prick. Jeter’s career is spoken for and I doubt much from here out will change anybody’s opinion of him in either direction. 4 rings. Yankee.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
The initial discussion was about how neither the Phils or marlins have any pitching.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Chris Young hasn’t been very good since Albert killed him, and he’s hurt again. You can make an argument if you want to though.
I am irrationally angry at how much Lowe has sucked since interleague began but your probably right. I have high hopes for Hudson. We forgot Tommy Hanson. The Braves have a really good pitching staff, it’s a shame about the outfield.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Semantical debates: the last refuge of a desparate man.
/re-reads commenters bill of rights
July 8th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
For example of how beastly Javy Vasquez is: He’s FIPing 2.48.
He’s also never FIP’d less than 3.21 in his career, so he’s probably on the juice.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
@scripty: His defense is good, relative to all baseball players. And terrible relative to just shortstops.
For instance, Carl Crawford is a great LF. He would be the worst shortstop in the game by far (way worse than Jeter).
Same for a great first basemen (Teix or Derrek Lee or some such person).
July 8th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Hudson’s not coming back. Keep dreaming.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
McLouth could be thrown in but he’s only been there for like 2 weeks. The rest of that offense is terrible.
Yet they managed to beat the Cubs 2 out of 3 by scoring just 2 runs each of the 3 games.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I’d say below average, but only because they insisted on keeping him at short, when he could’ve moved to second or third (and spare me the you don’t move the captain bullshit, I’m talking about what would have been best for the team). Jeter’s not everything you’d want defensively, but his range is such that he doesn’t get to some balls that say, Furcal would, so he doesn’t commit a ton of errors. I’m not terribly in love with his arm either. Nobody denies that he’s a good hitter, but the mountains of praise heaped upon him for his defense is a tad ridiculous, which leads to that overrated label that some apply to him.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
fixed
July 8th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Burnett just ate Cuddeyer’s lunch. What a moment.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Barry Larkin’s a HOFer right?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I was trying to be diplomatic, Taguchi, and you called me on it. Well played.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
@scripty: Absolutely.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Barry Larkin?? Fuck Yeah
July 8th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Re: Simmons podcast.
You could tell he didn’t even want to say “The Big Lead”. He tiptoed around it until Cowherd brought it up. It obvious Simmons doesnt want to plug any blog, he begrudgingly mentioned Deadspin once and said “blogs everyone knows about” instead of naming names.
I actually agreed with Cowherd during that whole discussion. Cowherd mentioned once you’re the top dog (ESPN) you’re going to get shots taken at you. Simmons just kept whining that no one should take shots at anyone and all blogs and mainstream media are in it together. It was interesting. The only thing I’ll say is that Simmons compared Cowherd taking down TBL to that stupid ESPN conversation thing. Well, TBL makes money off this site. Some stupid comments won’t take a paycheck away from you on ESPN conversation.
Thought Cowherd came off really well. He seemed to understand the landscape better and didn’t sound like a douche. I’m going to give him another listen because of it. Simmons came off as someone that has no idea how blogs work.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
So, 4 now = 2. Interesting. The math classes at Iowa must be phenomenal.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Joe Mauer just ate Brett Gardner’s lunch
July 8th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
In no way at all will this be discussed on this site tomorrow by some eager beaver intern who transcribes podcasts like he enjoys it.
NOOOOOPE. No, sir.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
You’re right, Mauer did, pretty easily too.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Does this mean I don’t have to go listen to it? If so, that’s excellent. I can’t stand the sound of either of their voices.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
can the Mariners put morrow back at closer after tonight? please?
my 3 fantasy teams wasting a roster spot on the guy would be greatly appreciated
July 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Pretty sure Nick Swisher is legally retarded.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
rs - interesting take on the podcast. im still listening to it now …
July 8th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Anybody up for a MacGrubermovie?
Didn’t think so.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
would have been funnier if you said illegally retarded
/comedy expert
July 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
A Simmons-Cowherd-Adam Carolla-Dave Dameshek podcast would break the annoying voice record
July 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Its worth it since they spent a good chunk on you and Cowherd and talking about what blogs are good for.
I agree with almost everything Cowherd said. I didn’t think I would ever say that.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Obviously Cowherd is hated by many here for his TBL bush-league incident, but I think his and the Rome show are good radio and I listen to them often (don’t hate me).
Simmons writing has suffered tremendously since he’s tried to spread his wings and do podcasts, E:60, etc. I fear he’s gone Kornheiser and we’ve seen the last of his good writing. Too bad. I still read him, but it seems his always-growing readership has gotten younger and more douchebaggery (read punk college students). That’s good for the business of BJ Simmons but bad for people who used to enjoy his writing.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
for the late-night crew …
http://twitpic.com/9qwqn
and more importantly, im kicking around college list ideas for tomorrow. better to submit via email, but posting one here will suffice
July 8th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
i think when cowherd is on air he says and does shit for just reaction. negative or positive it doesnt matter. because if people are reacting they are listening. when he isnt in “just say shit” mode he sometimes actually has some decent opinions
July 8th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
also, this E! real housewives thing isn’t bad so far. we clown Daigle here a bunch, but that guy looked sad when he got cut. wife: J Finch
July 8th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
McGruber movie?
(looking at rejection notices, searching for gun and hollow points)
July 8th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Ok, sorry lefty, I turned it off in the 8th. They scored only 2 EARNED runs in each game. Take a compliment, will ya?
You won 2 out of 3. But my team still has a better shot at the playoffs than yours.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
TBL: Underrated players
Anything to get a Kansas guy on a list
/Todd Reesing for Heisman
July 8th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
TBL, I gave you my list ideas over email already, but impact freshman and the dudes who are going to make you say WOW this fall.
Andre Debose might be both.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Someone’s in for a good night and a bad morning.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
list idea: college coaches most likely to jump to the pros
/to lazy to email
July 8th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Currently held by Al Michaels, Ray Romano, Harold Ramis, and Kermit the Frog.
/tried in vain to find the clip, but alas, no luck
July 8th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Nice. very nice.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Top 5 schools with a joke of a 2009 schedule that should have no excuses.
Top 5 schools that need to put up or shut up (in being an elite team)
Top mid-tier (20-75) programs that’d you’d consider if you were a HS star based on chicks, climate, quality of school, cool-factor and chicks.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Carolla is great.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
is it worth googling this guy?
scripty, great, great idea (last one)
July 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Cavs just signed Varejao - 6 years / $50 million. I like it.
Incredible that Ben Gordon will be making more than him.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
This is neither here nor there. I’ve talked myself into the starting pitching argument, and will not be dissuaded. Logic and facts are out the window at this point.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
at what?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
being carolla?
/not sure either
July 8th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Joe Mauer is ok at baseball.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
ESPN radio host in L.A., but originally from Pittsburgh, I think. Personally, I think he’s funny. His “jerk of the week” intro song makes me laugh.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
TBL: Dameshek is an ESPNRadio host. Been on Simmons and Carolla’s podcasts a few times. I think he’s pretty good.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Currently held by Al Michaels, Ray Romano, Harold Ramis, and Kermit the Frog
Michaels? Al Michaels has a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
TBL, you’ll also enjoy this: The video for “Show Stopper” had Aubrey’s entire breast falling out of her shirt in one shot; it made it past the band, and past TV censors.
But it’s not hard to find on YouTube.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Can someone point me in the right direction of a site that list NBA contract numbers?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
ASU, UCLA, TCU, UNC, USF
July 8th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
And for the sake of not getting lost in e-mails (already sent):
Top Five Coaches on the Hot Seat
Top Five Non-BCS Teams
Top Five Recruiters in the country
Top Five Coaches to have not won a title yet
July 8th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
July 8th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
SC
hoops hype salaries
July 8th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Carolla is funny as hell and down to earth. He gets funny, talented people for his podcasts and doesn’t book any cagey scenester douches.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
What the FUCK is the baby thing on the front of espn.com right now?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
From the Aubrey O’Day’s wikipedia page (which is as credible a source as she deserves):
Aubrey O’ Day: trailblazer.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
making it easier for blogs everywhere to take shots at espn.
/sorry simmons i know espn gave you a pay bump or somes hit but that is ridonkulous
July 8th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
The stuff of nightmares?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Also, not “the” Aubrey O’Day. She’s not an overrated Big 10 school with a reputation for gagging. Although…ah, fuck it, never mind.
/Editor, plz
July 8th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
who is the guy on here who follow’s aubrey o’day’s twitter?
she isnt afraid to post somewhat racy photos
http://twitpic.com/9qzv6
July 8th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Something that is bound to end up on Hernia’s front page tomorrow.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I’m guessing you’re it, TBL.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Id get all sorts of diseases, but Id rail Aubrey O Day
July 8th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
GP- but back-of-the-neck tats are kinda cool
best i’ve seen - guy had the power button on an apple computer on the back of his neck.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Who the hell is Aubrey O’Day?
July 8th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
“Who’s Now: The Next Generation”
July 8th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
TBL - It’s JerseyYo! I think he said he primarily follows porn stars and other skank types.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
someone who is on the fast track to being the 3rd hottest checkout girl at her local wal-mart
July 8th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
how cool is the posada family? that was a good segment on the E! show.
i want to donate to the foundation
July 8th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
well the windows tat im gonna get will really blow your mind
July 8th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Thx for the salary tip Nick, TBL.
And, I am so glad I know who Abbey Clancy is now too. Wow.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I have a Snoopy and Woodstock tattoo, eat it Apple queers.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Top mid-tier (20-75) programs that’d you’d consider if you were a HS star based on chicks, climate, quality of school, cool-factor and chicks.
ASU (chicks, Pac-10), Navy (school, get play in ultimate rivalry game and ND), San Diego State (chicks, location), Miami OH (need a good state school from midwest with hot stuck up skanks to use and abuse) and Stanford (California, degree, potential wife to reverse-gold dig)
July 8th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Hat posts > tattoos on women
July 8th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Just saw this and had to throw my favorite line in. Short and sweet
Little Bill Daggett: I’ll see you in hell, William Munny.
Will Munny: Yeah.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Navy doesn’t count because there’s a military commitment; SDSU may or may not be in the 20-75 bracket; Miami of Ohio is in Ohio; Stanford has standards.
But right on with ASU!
Serious top five: ASU, UCLA (it’s like USC except you don’t win!), FSU (even though it breaks laws as a UF student, I must admit FSU girls are very, very attractive), Miami (same reason), North Carolina (plus Butch Davis pays you!). Arizona would be in there, except they suck more often than not.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
If I would consider any other SEC school besides my alma mater, it would be Ole Miss. Beautiful women, beautiful campus, decent tradition (minus the last 30 years). And they are so hard up to compete with LSU, Auburn, and Alabama that they’d probably pay you (Hell, just look at their last 2 coaches).
July 8th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Unfortunately, you would have to live in Mississippi. I would assume that might dissuade some black athletes.
Though Ole Miss is the only place in the U.S. legally allowed to grow pot.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Andy, I’d put UNC in the top 20 now with Davis. Dude recruits like a mother. They got hammered by about 4,000 injuries last year and I think would have taken the ACC. So they don’t count. Plus, have you been to North Carolina. Sorry, but other than year-round golf, it’s an un-educated hell-hole.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
How can you not throw UNLV on that list?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Plus….
HAKEEM NICKS!
July 8th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
But you’re a relatively short ride to Memphis. I would imagine that Ole Miss would turn off more than a fair share of African Americans. Not because it’s in Mississippi, but because of the probably-racist mascot, all the dipshit frat boys, and their confederate flags.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
City - I like it. Good one.
Andy - Is UCLA that bad? I figured they’d be exluded on the high side. UCLA’s campus is in a nice place off Sunset if my memory serves correctly.
The problem here, is the schools with hottest chicks and best climate are usually inferior academically or in some jerkwater town. Sure, if I want that bachelor’s degree in Hotel Mgmt, USF sounds great. But I was trying to look at the whole enchilada.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Good to see ESPN piling on the NY franchises. Really, who associates Dykstra with the Mets other than Mets fans over thirty years old? I guess all those AllStar appearances and a much longer stint with the Phillies don’t mean anything.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Do they fit in the 20-75 group?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
scripty,
Besides Ole Miss, I’d go with:
Hawaii: goes without saying
Colorado: Boulder is cool
Cal-Berkley: Love the Bay Area, even if some of the chicks are scary
North Carolina: Butch Davis and free basketball tickets
July 8th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
My favorite: Ex-Met Nolan Ryan elected to Hall of Fame
/probably didn’t happen
//but we still should check
July 8th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Andy - Get back to me when you can get in to Miami. Then, you can write about it.
/Friggin’ interns
July 8th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
You mean he didn’t platoon with Mookie Wilson in Philadelphia?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
What’s weird is commenting in this thread will cease at exactly 12:01am.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner:
Jay - Hawaii: goes without saying - that’s the gold I was looking for:
Again I think Cal and UNC would be too good for the list (looking outside current top 20 and historically top 20 programs)
July 8th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Drafted him. Only baseball card I still own is his rookie card.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
jsut wait until ex-jet brett farve retires in about 6 years
July 8th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Former Phillies slugger Dale Murphy wishes he was so lucky.
[sobs]
July 8th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Ole Miss would embarrass me as an alma mater as a white-guilt-liberal-Southerner, so I can imagine that for black players, it’s significantly more off-putting. But all Southern schools have fratty douches, I think.
UNC’s probably the edge of top 20; they’re going to be the best team in the ACC next year and may be this year. UNLV slots into the 20-75 category, but how many 18-21s are really savvy enough to do everything in Vegas? Hawaii is choice, but it is isolating. Cal’s a little too good for the thing; UCLA is, as of the last few years, not a top 20 program.
Colorado also has a problem with the post-stripper-recruiting fun factor; I’d guess it’s less fun, now.
And no, I haven’t been to North Carolina.
Why would I even want to get into Miami?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Andy - pump your breaks son. We used to hire (nationally) all our interns from the midwest and northeast b/c people from colleges out west and the south are dumb. It’s not Harvard but it’s a pretty solid school.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:32 am
college fball list ideas- team that would win the Big 10.
1. Baylor
July 9th, 2009 at 12:57 am
I know. I’m kidding as much as he is. But I probably maybe possibly could’ve gotten into Miami of Ohio. Just trust me on this.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:28 am
best campus in the country? like uva and ou as well.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:30 am
UVa gets a really fratty rep, though.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:31 am
same with miami
July 9th, 2009 at 1:33 am
even though i’m a duck i’ll give a vote for best campus to university of washington. if you can deal with the non-summer weather, its in downtown seattle. but the plus of some rainy days/months is spring term-booby day
July 9th, 2009 at 1:37 am
was just talking campus look, ou and miami are both in the middle of nowhere
July 9th, 2009 at 1:38 am
UW has a pretty sick layout too
July 9th, 2009 at 1:47 am
I would submit being near a coast, any coast that isn’t on a Great Lake, as a really, really, really good asset.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:57 am
pepperdine is in malibu and is basically on a beach
July 9th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Pepperdine has a football team?
July 9th, 2009 at 2:47 am
touche, they have baseball and an alright basketball team, but i dont think football. when i picked my college it was a factor if they had a football team. kind of a big one
July 9th, 2009 at 8:00 am
I could definitely see that as an asset…
Miami being “out in the middle of nowhere” actually helps it. Students don’t leave on weekends. You also don’t have non-college riff-raff to muddle things up either. It makes for quite the college atmosphere on weekends, which we can all agree is excellent for all involved.
Oxford’s campus is beautiful. It’s residents are also pretty darn spectacular as well. It is only 45 minutes from Cincy, which isn’t necessarily a good thing depending on your distaste for the city. It is a little fratty, but not nearly as bad as UVA.
Glad to see that busting the intern’s balls kept the conversation going long into the night!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Not that you’ll see this, but I was up until 7 AM. I’m a night owl, and I’ll always be up if anyone wants to chat.