The Mavs: From Old and Nearly Done to … Shawn Marion and Contenders in the West?
NBA July 9th. 2009, 12:15pm
Nobody will deny that the two biggest winners in the NBA offseason so far have been San Antonio and the LA Clippers … but do the Dallas Mavericks belong in the discussion?* In what has been a whirlwind 10 days, the Mavericks have added Orlando C Marcin Gortat, retained PG Jason Kidd, and, last night, acquired SF Shawn Marion in a trade that cost them nothing.The Mavericks new starting lineup will be long, athletic, improved defensively, and probably terribly fun to watch: Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, Dirk and Gortat. The bench, after Jason Terry and Eric Dampier, is a bit thin, though.
Even though Dallas isn’t getting the 27-year-old Marion from 2006 (21-11, 33 percent from three, 80 percent FTs, 1.7 blocks, 2.0 steals), they’re getting a guy who will once again be playing with a pass-first PG (Kidd), and in an up-tempo offense. We don’t think he’s got any more double-double seasons in his future, but a 17-7 year wouldn’t surprise us .
It’s the 4th quarter of the Western Conference semis. Who do you want on Jefferson and Ginobili of the Spurs? Marion and Howard ain’t a bad combo. Replay that scenario in the Western Conference finals against the Lakers, who feature Kobe and Artest. Again, Marion and Howard.
A shrewd move by Cuban. Well played, sir.
Based on this move and others out west this summer:
1. Lakers. Though if they lose Odom …
2. Spurs. Don’t love the McDyess signing (esp not over the younger Davis, though he’s much, much cheaper) but Jefferson and Blair more than make up for it.
3. Mavericks. Gortat pickup also allows Dallas to give BJ Mullens two years to eat and develop a post game. Mullens got traded, and because he’s a non-factor, we forgot. Apologies.
4. Denver. Basically the same group as last year, except Billups is a year older. Like the Ty Lawson draft pick.
5. Portland. With Hedo, might have them 2nd. Major, major bummer. Serious pressure on Oden in year two.
6. Utah. If they keep Millsap, maybe they are 5th. Without him, they’re still better than the injury-plagued Rockets.
7. Golden State – This is for Steph Curry. After last year’s injury-filled debacle, we like the idea of Ellis, Curry, Jackson, Randolph and Biedrins being a really exciting young team. Maggette’s a good 6th man.
8. New Orleans - This is on the assumption that Tyson Chandler gets traded. If he stays, put ‘em 7th.
* The next tier of offseason winners: Detroit, Washington.
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July 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Mavs= 2010 Champs
/Book it.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
they will regret signing kidd. he can’t keep up with the younger point guards. specifically parker and paul.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
How are the Hornets considered “winners”? Unless Thornton starts next year, all they have is a rookie backup PG. That’s not much improvement for a team that lost by 58 points at home in the playoffs.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I’m not writing a comedy, clown.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Phew, tell me about it. I’ve been refreshing ESPN.com’s NBA page nonstop following the excitement.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
You don’t mean Glen Davis do you? Big Baby is not very good (< 6rpg in 36mpg in the playoffs) and I don’t see him as a good fit on the Spurs either. The McDyess signing was a very good move.
The Marion move makes the Mavs incredibly intriguing as they can matchup with just about any team big or small.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Polish Hammer!!!
1. LA
2. SA
3. Denver
4. Utah
5. Dallas
6. Portland
7. New Orleans
8. LA Clippers(why not?)
July 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Rose colored glasses, but I really don’t see the drop off from Portland. Same team as last year that finished fourth and tied Denver for the division title. They were one of the youngest teams and should only be improving.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Phew, tell me about it. I’ve been refreshing ESPN.com’s NBA page nonstop following the excitement
I’m right with you. I won’t sleep well until I finally find out where Ike Diogu signs
July 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Artest really needs to break out James Worthy goggles this year.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
There’s still a good group of SF’s that the Blazers could sign. I would love to see them make a run at Josh Childress. Grant Hill would make for a pretty good veteran presence and Matt Barnes could give a little bit of toughness.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I would love to see them make a run at Josh Childress.
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind them taking a run at him (not the 5 year $50 mil they offered Hedo). I don’t think Atlanta has the cap space to match/wouldn’t want to go over the cap.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
This won’t be a problem when Dallas trades for CP3 at the end of next year.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
5 yr 39 million for Marion is ridiculous
July 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Most accurate paragraph of the summer:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
They’ll have another good team, but, unfortunately, they won’t be able to do anything in the playoffs until they get a new owner and Stern (”the Don”) allows his capos to call things at least kinda close to fair. It’s hard to make a run when the league steals 1 or 2 games from every 7-game series.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
5 yr 39 million for Marion is ridiculous
Yeah, I don’t really know who they were bidding against. They probably could have offered him their mid-level and he would have had no choice but to take it.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Dallas is making a splash, that’s for sure. They’ve actually got too many bodies right now, so they’re not done dealing yet.
And nobody is paying Brandon Bass, it doesn’t look like. Dallas already told him to go find his best deal, and they’ll beat it. He’s going to make far, far less than I thought he would.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Most accurate paragraph of the summer:
Bsanders loves the NBA
@YYSA- what do you think about 5 years $34 mill for Gortat?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I’m just curious about the Clippers as a big winner this off-season? If it’s solely in reference to Griffin, I have to disagree.
Show me something other than the ability to dunk and I may be swayed. Otherwise, we’ve seen this act in Chicago.
/Tyrus Thomas’d
And Randolph is….well, he belong on the Nuggets if you pick up what I’m puttin’ down.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
5 yr 39 million for Marion is ridiculous
It’s backloaded, and the final year probably isn’t guaranteed. It’s a little bit imaginary, more like an NFL deal.
They’re trying hard to retool quickly around Dirk, rather than watch him leave, like Miami is going to with Wade.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
A four-team trade? Please tell me that one of the following players was involved:
Tim Thomas
Drew Gooden
Joe Smith
Larry Hughes
Antoine Walker (wait, he’s not in the NBA right now, I think)
/97 percent of all NBA trades involve one of these players
//not kidding
July 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Confirmed: If Michael Bay was smothered to death by Rikishi’s asscheeks, it would not be enough for BSanders.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
The Clippers have enough talent to beat out GS and NO. But the mental aspect of the game…that’s another story.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
oh my god we get it michael bay’s movies arent the greatest of all time. seriously we get it. the thing is i dont think anyone has ever said that they were in oscar contention.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Reason #1 why the Hornets are winners right now: they haven’t done of those ridiculous Chandler-for-Sczerbiak trades you always see.
/yet
July 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Seku Smith (ATL beat writer) said the Hawks will probably match and demand a sign and trade (wanted legit players, not trash) for Childress. They already offered him near the MLE last year, so somebody would have to up that offer. I think he just tested the waters and will come back next year as a UFA.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
They got another building block for their foundation, and got $9 million off their salary cap to remove a cancer. Sounds like a pretty good offseason to me.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Perhaps if he were imbued with some kind of body/orifice hair stimulant it’d be enough.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I could see Wade gone but to who?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
didn’t mullens get shipped off to OKC?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
off topic
On FX, Lt. Caffee just got Col. Jessup to admit he ordered the code red. it never gets old.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Unfortunately for the Clippers its not the offseason they have trouble with
July 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I always thought Wade would be the one to go to the Knicks and not Lebron.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
no…the problem is tho, they keep getting made.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Actually never seen him until I just looked him up. Wow, he’s even annoying on google.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
True story.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
if only every film had a smarmy prick with a single camera making every-day people look stupid.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
For such a horrible contract, GMs have certainly been able to move Randolph around the last two years.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I don’t get it.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Wade strenously objects to the Heat’s current way of building a championship team in Miami. Perhaps he bolts to NY, not LBJ?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Because spending $95M on 2 guys who have never, nor will ever be a star makes sense… Riiiight. Carry on.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
@scripty:thanks for the info
July 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Mullens is not a Maverick. They got some foreign guy – Rodrigue Beaubois, who is super young, a PG, and has already signed.
Dallas also signed Quentin Ross, for nearly nothing. Hopefully, he’s worth more than nearly nothing.
I could see Wade gone but to who? To one of the dozen places with cap room that is willing to spend money to win championships next year. Dallas? New York? New Jersey? He’s not going to like putting that crappy team on his back for a full season again, I don’t think.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
If it weren’t for Michael Bay, no one would’ve ever heard of Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, Nick Cage, and (heaven forbid!) Megan Fox.
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/06/without_michael_bay_no_one_wou.html
July 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Add a couple cameras and you have yourself a Michael Bay movie.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
and the other problem is that apparently the people that just bash them do 3 things
1:are first in line to watch the shit out of his movies…just so they can bash them later on
2: pay to watch his movies
3: make him more popular by constantly talking about his movies.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
For such a horrible contract, GMs have certainly been able to move Randolph around the last two years.
No well run team has traded for him.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
* The next tier of offseason winners: Detroit, Washington
What did Washington do again?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
/fixed
//yeah im sure bruno is gonna be a delight
July 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
What teams have a lot of free money next year to sign a max
July 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Wade’s always been more media savvy than Lebron, if not, then at the very least they’re on equal footing. NY would make a ton of sense for him, especially without all that hometown baggage. Plus, he already won them a ring, so that absolves him from anything. And he has a better argument for moving to a better situation than Lebron does.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
July 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
mrejr…oh, you’re spot on.
ill see a michael bay movie because it makes me laugh. i still think the funniest 45 minutes in movie history was the last 45 in hot fuzz where they take every michael bay cliche to the extreme. it’s fantastic.
but seriously, michael bay should be shot in public.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
What did Washington do again
Traded the 5th pick for Foye and Mike Miller
July 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
True, but for a contract that says nobody could unload, he sure has moved around a bit. It’s funny how reports said Chris Wallace was gunshy after the Pau trade. Then he goes and does something like this.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I’d probably put Dallas below Denver and Portland, but really any of those 4 teams 3-6 are inter-changeable. Lakers and Spurs are clear 1 & 2. 7 & 8 are for the most part irrelevant.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
In Imax right?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
spence…if bay never existed we would never have…
“this shit just got real”
if that isnt enough to grant him a pardon then what is i ask what is?!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
thanks resolute. I didn’t think it was anything special
July 9th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
No one heard of him when he was on a top 10(ish) show for a near-decade?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Well that’s the thing. A few GMs have been quoted anonymously as saying he’s the worst guy in the league to have on your team. So he might literally be worth nothing. I know I wouldn’t want him.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Chicago?
/Hopeful’d
July 9th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
you’re right, you have me sold. i take it all back, LONG LIVE MICHAEL BAY!!!
/reads he’s giving up blockbuster movies
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I could see Wade gone but to who?
The Knickerbockers of New York. He’d be a good consolation prize after Lebron re signs with Cleveland. Would the New York fans be happy with D Wade?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
funny. +1
July 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Blame Fred Schepisi for Will Smith’s leap.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Who wouldn’t want a 31 year old 6′7 power forward who relies on his athleticism and energy because he can’t shoot or create his own shot, especially coming off of two straight years of declining rebounding rates?!?!
That’s a guy you have to lock up for 4-5 years.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Considering Smith and Lawrence both had their own TV shows and Cage had an Oscar, I think they’d have been okay without Messier Bay. Megan Fox, though? A hard body with no talent? Dime a dozen waiting tables in Los Angeles, so yeah, she can thank Michael Bay.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Nahh. I’ll stick with blaming white kids from the late 80’s
July 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
If it weren’t for Michael Bay, no one would’ve ever heard of Will Smith
Yes, because Will Smith wasn’t very talented, wasn’t media savvy and lacked a mega-watt star power. He would have never made it without Bay.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
No one heard of Nic Cage after he won the Oscar either.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
nic cage won an oscar?
/brain explodes
July 9th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Bashing on Michael Bay is like bashing a porn director. Yes, it’s a movie. No, it’s not that kind of movie. They just need a script to link the compilation of sex scenes or big budget explosions.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Pretty sure that’s not accurate. Maybe the 13 year-old boys seeing Michael Bay’s mid-90’s movies hadn’t heard of him, but he was hardly unknown. Raising Arizona, Valley Girl, Moonstruck, Leaving Las Vegas, etc.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Hell, I could win an Oscar feeling up Elisabeth Shue’s tits for 90 minutes.
/and I’d love to try.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Whoa…do I need to put sarcasm tags on everything? I thought the NYMag link would’ve taken care of that.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Sadly most porn scripts now a days make more sense then Transformers 2
July 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Marion doesn’t need to shoot in that lineup. Still not as bad as the Flopsy Varejao deal. Just when I think Ferry is making smart moves, he backs up the Brinks for Mr. Intangible.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Links? We don’t need no stinkin’ links?
/Aztec’d
July 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Goofiest fucking jump shot in the NBA. Shawn Marion ladies and gentlemen.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Yeah, the extra year for Varejao at a grand total of $1 million makes that a shit deal.
/sincere
July 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
better jump shot, shawn marion or teen wolf?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
My bad, I thought I read that intangibles could push the AV contract up to $50 million
July 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
@nickp- Parker deal 2 years, under $6 mill
July 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
@irish: Nice. That’s not too much for him. I don’t think he’s very good, but he can still shoot 3s. Give him Boobie’s minutes.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
nick theyre still trying to sign someone with the rest of the midlevel. ive heard channing frye a lot.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Ric Bucher reported it from a Tanning Salon
July 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
@duder: yeah I see Windy twitting about him a lot. I hate Frye and hope he stays away from C_L_E.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
he can make jumpers. at least he could at arizona.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Most boring FA season. EVAR.
/Knicks Fan