$97 Million Man Eli Manning … Is He Worth It?
NFL August 6th. 2009, 12:00pm
Believe it or not, Eli Manning is now worth more than his esteemed brother, Peyton, one of the greatest QB’s in NFL history. Well, technically.
Eli’s new six-year, $97.5 million contract extension he signed yesterday with The New York Football Giants places his annual salary at around $15.3 million, more than $1 million more than the paltry $14.17 million his older brother collects each year. I know what you’re thinking, “100 million for Eli Manning?” He of the hovering floater ball, the questionable decisions and the locker room timidity?
But yet it’s true. We now live in a world where Eli Manning is worth 10 figures. Soak that in for a second. I’ll wait.
Now, the real question: is he worth it? Before you scream “Hell no!” step back and think for a second. What choice did the Giants have?
David Carr?
Former Heisman Trophy candidate and LSU killer Andre Woodson?
Neither backup option is appealing.
Draft his replacement? Considering all the talent the Giants have returning and the upgrades they made in free agency, I can’t see them landing a top-level rookie QB in the 2010 draft.
Sign his replacement in free agency? That’s a crapshoot. Think back to the 2006 offseason, when most analysts thought Daunte Culpepper to the Dolphins was a better signing than Drew Brees to the Saints.
No, the best way to acquire a franchise QB in this day’s NFL remains to draft them, develop them and insert them when game ready. Call it the Carson Palmer model, his fungible elbow notwithstanding. The Giants have followed that model to a T thus far, it just so happens Manning’s turned out to be the worst of the 2004 signal callers drafted in the first round who’s not currently playing in the UFL (sorry, J.P. Losman). And remember, Manning’s refusal to play in San Diego resulted in him being swapped for Phillip Rivers and draft picks that turned into Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding. That’s one Pro Bowler for the price of three.
How Manning stacks up against his 2004 draftmates:
Career Regular-Season Wins as a starter:
Manning – 42
Rivers – 33
Roethlisberger – 51
Advantage: Roethlisberger, partly because he’s started the most games, partly because his defense is AWESOME.
Career Playoff Wins as a starter:
Manning – 4
Rivers – 3
Roethlisberger – 8
Advantage: Roethlisberger, partly because he came into a cushy situation — great defense, solid running game, ganite-solid organization — and partly because he was a big part of the 2005 and 2008 title teams’ playoff runs with a string of big fourth-quarter plays littered throughout.
Career Super Bowl Wins:
Manning – 1
Rivers – 0
Roethlisberger – 2
Advantage: Roethlisberger, partly because of that AWESOME defense, and partly because he made some gutty throws under pressure at the end of Super Bowl XLIII, not to mention in the 2005 playoffs against the Bengals, Colts and Broncos. Against the Seahawks? Not so much.
Career QB Rating:
Manning – 76.1
Rivers – 92.9
Roethlisberger – 89.4
Advantage: Rivers, because he plays the QB position better than the other two. More big plays, fewer interceptions, quicker release.
Overall: Rivers has the stats, and will have the most Pro Bowls. Roethlisberger has the wins, and it’ll probably stay that way as long as he can stay sharp in fourth quarters and his defense remains healthy. Manning? He’s more or less Tony Romo with a few playoff wins — only not as accurate. But he has $100 million in the bank now.
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August 6th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
i like you’re style.
and we had this conversation yesterday…im of the opinion that hell no he ain’t worth it.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
didn’t we already go over this yesterday?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
August 6th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
i like YOUR style…im an idiot.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Who the hell is Cap Rooney? Another intern?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
TBL alter ego, if you ask me. Especially after throwing in the Romo reference. Terrible comparison.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Can you at least import the 125 comments on this from yesterday?
A day late I’m afraid, bud.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
FLOAT!
Over/Under on this comments has to be like 120. Cap Rooney incited a wildfire.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Sounds like a beat reporter from a ’40’s film noir.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Jared Lorenzen deserves $40 million.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
10 figures is a billion.
“but that’d still be market value…he deals with THE NEW YORK MEDIA!!!”
/sparty’d
August 6th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Idiots. Should have never released Jared Lorenzen. The Hefty Lefty!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
will be! WILL BE!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
What is Eli going to do about his practice jersey?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
damnit Hernia
August 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
lol.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
They could have saved some cash and signed Vick I guess …
August 6th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I’m not sure if I’m happy or sad that Twitter got blasted this morning.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Think back to the 2006 offseason, when most analysts thought Daunte Culpepper to the Dolphins was a better signing than Drew Brees to the Saints.
Links? I find this very hard to believe. Maybe a couple, but most? Not buying it.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I think we can generate some buzz on this… you really think they’re that different sparty? Romo’s a little more accurate than Elisha but that’s mostly because of rollout plays.
Otherwise I think “mentally fragile” is an apt description of both.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
yea most…it’s true. dr. z even picked the dolphins to win the SB that year.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
This is pretty much the only relevant thing to discuss when comparing these three QBs. All of the other stuff has to do with the teams, and not these guys individually.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
eli is a lightweight
/jay cutler
August 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
didn’t we already go over this yesterday?
Sparty, Next post will be the Green Bay Packers preview.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Eli as mentally fragile? AYFKM? Please explain.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Followed by the 2009-10 NBA preview and prediction post.
/less than 25% of a year away!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
So, wait, they paid him a BILLION?!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
he’s a dumbass on the field…take off the big blue glasses and see what everyone else sees.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I was hoping for another Oregon Ducks preview. The most random team preview in the history of blogs.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Body language.
Photo. Article.
Guy always looks like he’s going to cry after throwing a pick or if a receiver runs the wrong route. Your GM even said so.
I know you don’t need me to do Romo.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
cap rooney is a regular here who really likes the nfl. im sure he’ll show himself eventually.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
**yawn** He’s not giving the money back, get over it.
once again **yawn** This has been the same excuse made for Rivers since NC State. Maybe after 8 years the verdict is in. Nice stats, can’t win you the big game.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
it’s mike nyc, isn’t it?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
he always looks the same. he barely gets excited for touchdown. the players call him eazy-e.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
@Shatner – 100 BILLION dollars!
@Spencer – We agree! Yay! Bring it sparty.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
It’s like only quarterbacks on supremely talented teams win Super Bowls. My head hurts.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Eli lives and works in Jersey. What the fuck does he care about the New York media?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
so it’s rivers’ fault that he goes out and faces the colts, steelers and patriots in the playoffs each year and conveniently LT and gates both decide to get injured?
get out of here…that rationale is fucking absurd.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
it’s mike nyc, isn’t it?
nah. I saw Cap comment the other day
August 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Hoboken’s finest, next to his wife of course.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
that is a terrible nickname…it sounds like they want him to get AIDS and have dr. dre yell at him.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
You hired Cowherd!?!?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
The best odds on the board for the subject of today’s college football preview are Utah, at a nice value of 4-1.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Yea, totally Rivers fault that his top two players are alqays hurt and he has no receivers.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
cap rooney is a regular here who really likes the nfl. im sure he’ll show himself out eventually.
Fixed!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Oh come on, don’t you think I’d use my commenter name?
Not me.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Oh c’mon let’s call this for what it is for those who can see the reality of it outside of the whole incestuous NYC mainstream media circle jerk.
When it comes to their local sacred cows like the Yankees or Giants and so on, NO one throws their money around as well or as obnoxiously as do New Yorkers. For one thing they just plain have a lot of it.
Spare us the moot question and as usual the endless frenetic analysis under the likely chronic constipation up there in NYC. It is what it is — they wanted to keep him at all costs and they did because they could.
Any more deep analysis than that is like trying to get deeper meaning out of an episode of Seinfeld other than just laughing at some of the stuff or getting caught up emotionally with the likes of a menial self-obsessive type for the daily ordeals of any given horseface ninny bitch up there like on “Sex In The City.”
August 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
i like how Intern Bill never revealed himself.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
i liked the read…take it as a compliment, mike.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
interesting take, paolo.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Cap Rooney is actually Andy Rooneys clever attempt to enter the world of sports blogging without all the celebrity hoopla.
Just like what happened with Whitlock.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
What ever happened to lee diekemper? He wrote long before I became a commenter, but I always enjoyed those reads.
/yeah, I know. He wrote mostly about hockey. Bite me.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Tomlinson and Gates played at NC State as well? Gates played and there were more than adequate backups for LaDanian (there’s only 1 LT) in those games. Rivers can’t win the big one, but that’s ok because he looks all passionate and fiery while losing.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
actually, im the one you can blame for the name change – just thought it was better than his commenter name.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Eazy E, Eazy E, Eazy E can eat a big fat–dick!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
@paolo-don’t forget LA.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
/Mike NYC’ed
Mike NYC, you may as well just come out and admit all that and the rest. I am far from the only one who has not missed you here. Boo-yah!
August 6th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
thought this sentence was written by tyduffy until i got to the word “constipation”. knew it was paolo after that.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
+1 Great Shatner
Touche`, but they have fewer teams there for such lavish spending any more of course.
(Lakers, Galaxy, and Dodgers)
August 6th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
what talent did he have at nc state? and having to go thru FSU and miami when they were both powerhouses? you expected rivers to beat both of them singlehandedly? come on man.
ok…howabout one more…it’s his fault that norv turner has to gameplan against dungy, cowher/tomlin/lebeau, and belichick every year in the playoffs?
hate rivers for being a huge douche (which he is) but he’s a damn good QB.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Why do these arguments always have selective memory?
Ben himself has come back from multiple injuries (including a ghastly knee injury at the hands of the Chargers).
Throughout his career, he’s had to deal with Ward, Willie, Troy, casey hampton, among others being injured. Rivers isn’t the only QB to have injuries on his team to key players.
Ben plays those same teams in the playoffs.
Ben won a SB with Ward, Randle El and Cedrick Wilson as his WRs. Went through the top 3 seeds in the AFC on the road with that weak WR corps. I love Hines, but what has those other 2 guys done? People tend to over-inflate Ben’s “weapons.”
And if we talk weapons, Ben got better AFTER Plax left town. Eli has looked like a lost little girl without his safety net, Plax.
Keep hating.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Paolo drinking at work once again, I can see.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
“actually, im the one you can blame for the name change – just thought it was better than his commenter name.”
I knew ‘Ty Duffy’ was a fake name.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
The mystery remains then …who the heck is really Cap Rooney and what was his posting name on here before? Is it Ty Duffy?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Yes he can, especially with the ring he earned for making 18-0 into 18-1.
Suck on that, bitches.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
we’re not saying shit about big ben here…
and the steelers are a better team with better coaching than the chargers. you can’t deny this beacuse you know it’s true.
ben didn’t win that super bowl…
and people don’t over-inflate ben’s weapons because he doesn’t do shit with them. rivers actually produces with overrated talent like turf-toe gates and stationary bike-LT.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Is itTy Duffy?
No. Ty was Intern Bill or something.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
rivers had cotchery at nc state. successful nfl wr, which is more than most had in college.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Advantage: Roethlisberger, partly because he’s started the most games, partly because his defense is AWESOME.
i’ve mentioned this numerous times, the steelers went from 6-10 to 15-1 ben’s rookie year. they didn’t replace the whole defense.
Advantage: Rivers, because he plays the QB position better than the other two. More big plays,
you obviously haven’t watched big ben play. he makes huge plays every week, without the benefit of one of the best backs ever behind him.
everyone talks about the steelers D, which is an advantage. but every dollar spent on the D is a dollar not spent on offense. zero sum game
August 6th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
What took so long?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
i agree with this completely.
the steelers think they have a better chance to win with a dominant D because that’s the way they’ve always done it. nothing wrong with that especially considering they’ve done it so well the past three decades.
viable reasoning there.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
does whitlock like jeff george or wendy’s more?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
No not drinking, and not at work yet today …and don’t flatter yourself I doubt what you do is really any meaningful work like for most of us in your so-called “capitali$t” quest Mike NYC.
Either your firm was the beneficiary of a taxpayer-based bailout, or your core clients or firms with which you collaborated are. Like you do any real work in that sort of environment but watch a Bloomberg terminal and push papers around please.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
ben didn’t win that super bowl
true, ben was terrible in that super bowl, but you didn’t address that fact that he carried that team through 3 playoff games on the road.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
win
August 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
whoa…crabtree might re-enter the draft?
August 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
not a chance.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Romo > Eli.. Other than that game where he fumbled the snap romos rep as a choke artist is WAY overblown. crayton catches a wide open pass with No one behind him in that divisional playoff and manning never even has the chance for David Tyree to bail him out in the super bowl
August 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
If he’s not worth it, who is and can they get him? The answers are the obvious names (Brady, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger) and obviously no. In that sense, then hang onto him and make him feel loved and wanted.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
the steelers think they have a better chance to win with a dominant D because that’s the way they’ve always done it. nothing wrong with that especially considering they’ve done it so well the past three decades.
viable reasoning there.
agree that it works, but it means that Ben has less to work with. put him behind the colts line with the guys Peyton had to throw to and the numbers compared to Rivers wouldn’t be close
August 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
but this is a thread about QBs from that draft class, and the post itself directly addressed Ben. Plus, it’s entirely relevant as most who come to this site regularly trash the guy when the topic is approached.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Not only is this question moot, but so is Whitlock after his appearance here on 8 May and his recent swipe at the blogs after the EA episode. Have a look at my calling him out prophetically as too many folks here were posting starry-eyed like they never met a celebrity.
Down goes the Titanic equivalent of sports journalists only in size but never stature I say.
For the latter of course the same is happening by self-inflicted wounds now more than ever by BSPN.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
also agreed.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Have a look at my calling him out prophetically as too many folks here were posting starry-eyed like they never met a celebrity.
get over yourself. the whole board called him out
August 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
So wait, Rivers is a better QB than Big Ben? The main argument you guys also use against Ben is PIT’s Def. and running game. Well, last time I checked, SD had a top 10 D in 2006 and 2007 (not last year though until AFTER they got rid of Cottrell – they were very good under Rivera though). Rivers also had the best RB in the game for 2006/2007 and a better running game than PIT last year as well, yet Rivers stats (YPA, TD%, Rating, Att/game, Completion %, etc.) are all equivalent to or worse than Ben’s.)
Sure, Rivers had a better year (statistically) last year than Ben, but his numbers are almost exactly the same as Ben’s from 2007. I don’t see why Rivers gets the argumentative pass on the D/running game argument consistently thrown around on this site.
August 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
if you put him behind the colts line as it was constructed last year (saturday was missing a lot and ineffective whe he was there and ugoh was terrible…their line sucked…BAD) then it’d probably be the same situation.
peyton just gets rid of the ball so fast and is so smart in reading defenses that he can work with a poor OL. indy does have better targets tho, that’s fo sho.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Exactly.
Ben wins 2 SBs, and it’s because of his D. Peyton wins a SB, and everyone forgets that for the bulk of his career, he was throwing to one of the top 2-3 WRs of his generation. And in the SB, he had said “top-3 WR of his generation” as well as the eventual SB MVP who would be a #1 receiver on a high percentage of teams that year.
But Ben’s the only QB ever to benefit from his team. Peyton is just an otherwordly talent.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I prefer LaToeInjury.
Spencer, you think they could plug in someone like an Orton, Johnson or Griese into that Pitt team and still win? You’re more or less saying that Ben is a good game manager not an elite QB, right?
For the record, I agree on Ben’s pedestal being too high.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
spence, i know you think highly of their work, so do me a favor and check out the football outsiders o-line rankings. the steelers pass protection is an abortion.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
so he had one good pass to crayton the entire 2nd half of that playoff game. he played like shit for the rest of it. he also has a terrible late season record to go along with it.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
ps that wasnt a knock on Peyton. I think he’s one of the best pure QBs. But if you put stock into Ben’s team rather than his abilities, then you can’t ignore the same facts about supposed “elite” QBs
August 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I’d like to play romper room with Halle Berry. But I’m not going without while I wait for Halle to figure out the toys in my oversized playpen provide ecstasy and joy. J. Whitlock
Is he suggesting that Halle Berry use a dildo of his?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
When? Show it from 8 May on that post? Which comment(s)? If they did, it was long, long after my post and in unclear fashion.
In fact, as usual, I was put down more quickly than was based Whitlock on what I said, as some folks got on the defensive for him for some reason because, “but he’s Jason Whitlock, and you are just (expletive, whatever) Paolo.”
I have seen a few jabs at Whitlock on here, but not near enough for sure as most folks remain still starry-eyed. It was refreshing that a few caught on that the likes of Whitlock are no good for the mission after the way Whitlock handled by bugging TBL Godfather endlessly about Whitlock’s article, in which he even outed himself as some sort of shill for Stuart Scott with whom he has or had a likely friendship by all appearances.
Again, SHOW me more evidence that any one here is even as close to as hard on Whitlock for who he really is as am I. I’ll gladly enjoy it, as perhaps I missed it!
And welcome to the “mission” then Sir.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
no…he’s not trent dilfer by any means. my argument all along has been that big ben is a good QB that can produce when needed to, but isn’t an engine of an offense like peyton, brady or brees.
my hatred of him comes from being a browns fan.
so what? a WR corps doesn’t keep you in games like a defense does. and peyton sucked that whole playoff run, whcih is something people forget.
i agree but i don’t use stats to look at OL production. i love OL and focus on the lines when watching games (habit from playing and studying tape) and the colts was pretty fucking bad too.
again tho…peyton gets rid of the ball so much faster than big ben.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
The mystery builds then …who really are Ty Duffy and Cap Rooney?
I look forward to many more episodes on posts on here for this new, compelling mystery series.
There have been plenty of humourous comparisons matching up the names of commenters, but someone out there probably can put together an accurate list.
Having multiple commenter names ON THE SAME BLOG is kind of like the “sheet of integrity” debate for basketball pools and lately online. ONE FUCKIN’ SHEET damnit, but then there is a vast swath of those who vouch for the multiple sheets.
If you are REALLY the pundit you say you are, you have ONE and only ONE sheet not some multiple sheet strategy so that you can try to brag about it later. And same with ONE and ONLY ONE name with your true view.
In Vegas there is no problem along these lines like most everywhere else where there is no sports betting and thus replacement by fantasy sports orgies and the Viagra condition. You are either a winner cashing out or a loser and that’s that. The money does the bragging assuming one flaunts it, and that in itself is bad luck too.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
but isn’t an engine of an offense like peyton, brady or brees.
i’d contend that if he had the weapons those guys have, he would be. you disagree. it appears we’re at an impasse.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Yawn. Here’s that Crayton thing again. And, don’t say he would have gone to the house had he caught it. From my memory, he still had one defender to beat, so there was no guarantee he would have made it. It’s like saying the runner would have scored on the base hit had he not been called out on the attempted steal. There is no guarantee that the pitcher would have thrown a pitch that the batter would have hit.
Regarding Romo, you could see the meltdown coming from the middle of the third quarter of that playoff game. And the meltdown was complete in the 4th. Until Romo wins a playoff game or 2, and learns how to throw the damn ball away when he’s in trouble, Eli > Romo.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
who really are Ty Duffy and Cap Rooney?
Hef and NickP.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Fine…get rid of the WR corps and who is the QB going to throw to? If you value stats over accomplishments, then you have to admit that a WR corps does just as much for a team as a defense.
Brady’s been a great QB his entire career, but went berserk when Moss and Welkah came over. Coincidence?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
and brady quinn will be better than all of them.
/does bong rip
August 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
ha! +1.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
come bring that bong to steelers training camp this weekend.
/coming in from nyc
August 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
that’s not an issue…did brady win a SB with moss and welkah? not yet.
WR’s are ancillary pieces. a dominant D is almost assuredly going to contend, a dominant WR corps can’t guarantee the same thing. if a dominant WR corps could…cris carter and randy moss would have multiple viking themed rings already. same with the cards and fitz and quan.
and please…peyton could win throwing to the browns WR’s. we all know this.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Amongst spencer, sparty, and Gods, I bet all three smoke it sometimes if not regularly. Gods sure incriminated himself as a likely shill for the Marijuana Party yesterday by endorsing it without solicitation.
If this is true, certainly it explains a whole lot of my extreme dissent with their warped homer views (OSU, Michigan State, and Georgia/Nebraska respectively).
And Spencer and Gods claim to be not only “objective” but also moreso than others here puh-lease!
Sorry, no way you can be objective when you are under the influence dudes. Go smoke some more have at it! Or hell, try something harder and get really hooked as you will most likely anyway if not already.
/No Illegal Drugs Here
//No Smoking
///Social Booze Hell Yeah!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
id probably have a good time there…i hear steelers camp is the shit.
and for all the crap i talk about dem stillers, i do respect the hell out of the whole organization. except hines ward…FUCK hines ward.
the ravens on the other hand? aside from ozzie newsome, ray murda and troy smith…they can all diaf for all i care.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Gtg see you all late night!
August 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
here’s what it boils down to spence. yes, a great defense is a big advantage to a QB, probably bigger than a bunch of toys to throw to (i’m talking in actual football, not fantasy football, which is how it seems too many people analyze and understand the game these days). however, building that great D puts their QB under a different kind of pressure, and i think that Big Ben is one of the few that can put up numbers and win games with the offensive tools he has to work with.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
No, but he did win with a D that held the “greatest show on turf” rams to 17 points when they would put up 40+ on any given night. is he any better than ben, then?
it really is. gonna be a ridiculous weekend
August 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
you can be WAY WAY WAY WAY more objective when you’re stoned than you can when you’re drunk as fuck.
this is called scientific OBJECTIVE fact.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
He likes to dip Jeff George in Wendys.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Any chance that Bens ability to consistently convert on 3rd down means that the offense controls the ball longer, leaving fewer opportunities for the other team, therefor helping the defense, at least statistically?
No, Ben just sucks, ok.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
for sure. and far be it from me to criticize big ben for not winning. as ive said before…that winning SB drive was impressive, and i’ve seen him kill my browns more than enough times to discredit him as being THAT shitty.
but i’d still rather have cutler or rivers…or aaron rodgers if he could stay healthy. that’s just personal preference, that’s all.
yea, he still is. cuz for as great as ben was at the end of this year’s SB, brady still did that twice against the panthers and eagles.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
ugh…yes, that’s a nice attribute.
but it’s not a substitute for big-time production. points > time of possession. you don’t hear the colts complaining about peyton putting up 21 points in three drives that take all of 12 minutes off the clock.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Since when is big time production the end-all for great QBs?
You’re a Browns fan…you saw that game 2 seasons ago when the awful Browns and awful Bengals traded points and ended up with a score somewhere around 50-45.
What have any of the guys in that game done?
August 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
No you don’t, but it does allow for Peyton’s defense to give up more points- if they in turn give up 21 in 12 mins it’s a wash. So they may be statistically bad for PPG as a defense, but if you looked at points per minute it would tell a different story.
/points>TOP only if the defense helps
/ben still sucks
August 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
whoa whoa whoa…that browns team was good, DAMNIT! fucking dungy and resting peyton and fucking playing jim sorgi…i hope you’re happy, you got me all pissed.
big time production isn’t an end-all for great QB’s, but it’s more important than 3rd down scrambles to extend TOP.
August 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Any work that puts a roof over your head and food on the table if meaningful
August 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Sorry guys, I’m a little hungover today and had to take a nap. Cap Rooney’s me, for all who are interested. TBL thought bsanders was too biased toward the Colts. Can’t imagine why…
August 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
nice.
good work bsanders.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
cap commented the other day
August 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
was this post written in a drunken stupor last night?
August 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
@bsanders- if you are Cap, where is the Hall of Fame induction post on Ralph Wilson and DWI Bruce Smith?
August 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Miami was a power IN THE BIG EAST!!!! He had good enough talent around him, plus he played in a system designed for the QB. He just wasn’t able to get it done. It’s not like Eli had this wealth of talent around him at Ole Miss, but check out the big games they won that year. It’s telling how the statements on here always start off with Eli WOULDN’T have won if………. and Rivers WOULD have won if……….
August 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
My name is Sparty, and I am an alcoholic dope fiend. My sobriety date is March 17, 2000. But once again, you have done a great job of showing just how great you are at prejudging someone.
August 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Um..uh…
August 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Actually back in the record setting years I heard that all the time. Well the defense is on the field so much because the offense scores so fast. The defense is tired because they just threw the ball 3 straight times and only ran 20 seconds off the clock during that possession.
The two sides of the ball are closely linked and can help/hurt each other quite a bit.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Yeah, right, you are way more objective than someone sober too? Uh, yeah, right, okay you stoner! Yeah we’ll believe in the objectivity, not to mention the quality, of your “analyis” from when you are stoned as usual on here? Uh, yeah, right spencer go for it okay yeah …STONER! Boo-yah you OSU douchebag stoner!
August 7th, 2009 at 12:37 am
Congrulations Sparty on your vindication. But you still love those pot jokes eh? No apologies will ever be coming from me, nor should they come from anyone else, on THAT basis, but at least you are off the crap like those other two douchebags.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Welcome Cap Rooney Bsanders kick ass!
August 7th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Ah spoken like a great liar, cheat, and thief bbryan! Et tu Brute? Boo yah!