2009 NFL Preview: New Orleans Saints
2009 NFL Previews August 10th. 2009, 1:45pm
Commenter Jay, a native of the Bayou, on the Saints 2009 outlook.
Mandatory TBL Reference: Reggie Bush has broken up with Kim Kardashian.
Mandatory TBL Reference #2: Jeremy Shockey is still a douchebag. Now, on to the team.
When Last We Left Off: Drew Brees finished the 2008 season one completed pass – on the final play of the season! – short of the all-time single-season passing record. Brees’ quest was a rare source of pride for Saints fans. However, like the season when Dan Marino set the record, the team’s passing proficiency couldn’t make up for two blatant deficiencies. The team couldn’t run the ball with any consistency and the defense sucked. Sucked bad.
Is There a Reason for Optimism on Defense?: There are three reasons why Saints fans firmly believe that the defense will be better in 2009. Well, four, if you include “they can’t get any worse.” First, defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs is mercifully gone. Gibbs’ tenure with the team will be remembered for not getting pressure on the quarterback in spite of having two of the highest-paid defensive ends in the league (Will Smith and Charles Grant), and giving up more big plays than any other team, thanks partly to a disastrously bad secondary. His replacement, Gregg Williams, has a track record of consistently solid NFL defenses. But with the talent he inherited, he has his work cut out for him.
Second, there has been a major facelift in that horrible secondary. Josh Bullocks, or as Saints fans knew him, the worst coverage safety in the history of football, is gone. In addition, former free agent nightmare Jason David could only be a special teams performer if he even makes the team. Bullocks will be replaced by the ancient Darren Sharper, which, believe it or not, is a celebrated upgrade. And at cornerback, the Saints may have 4 serviceable players for literally the first time in their history in Jabari Greer, Malcolm Jenkins, Tracy Porter, and Randall Gay.
Finally, the Saints were able to keep MLB Jonathan Vilma. Vilma reclaimed his role as a top-flight 3-4 middle linebacker after escaping from the Jets’ 4-3 Hell. Losing Vilma would have been a blow they may not have recovered from. Vilma should have been a Pro Bowler last year, and along with emerging star Sedrick Ellis, the Saints should be solid inside.
In Contrast, Why the Saints Still Suck on Defense: Reason #1 is the linebacking corps. Vilma is the man inside, and Scott Fujita has been a solid player since coming over as a free agent. After that, the Saints have a bunch of linebackers who, to be completely honest, would struggle to make any other NFL roster. The Saints made two futile efforts to upgrade the corps: veteran Dan Morgan retired and left them at the altar for the second year in a row, and rookie Stanley Arnoux didn’t even make it to training camp without suffering a season-ending injury. Scott Shanle may amazingly enter his fourth season as the temporary “stop-gap” weakside linebacker.
Secondly, Will Smith and Charles Grant start the season on four-game suspensions from last year’s “Star Caps” controversy. It’s hard to get pressure on the opposing quarterback when your starting DEs are gone for the first quarter of the season. However, this may be a blessing in disguise, as they play like overpaid pieces of crap anyway. Former Jaguars Bobby McCray and Paul Spicer may actually turn into upgrades at the position.
Do the Saints Have an Every-Down RB on the Roster: Reggie Bush? Of course not. That leaves “Lucky” Pierre Thomas. Some people believe he can do it, but only has two career games with more than 16 carries. The only other returning option is Mike Bell, who is best known for being one of the few Broncos RBs under Mike Shanahan who couldn’t run for 1,000 yards. If they can’t, the only other options are a bunch of undrafted free agent short-yardage backs.
The Rest of the Offense: Everybody knows this part of the team, so let’s just gloss over it. Brees throws for a ton of yards. They have a solid and deep core of pass catchers that includes Marques Colston, Jeremy Shockey, Reggie Bush, and Lance Moore. Their offensive line is above average, with Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks making up the most underrated pair of starting guards in the league. Jammal Brown is a bit overrated, however, but is still a solid left tackle.
Sobering Statistics Too Bad to Ignore:
0-Number of touchdowns from Jeremy Shockey last year.
1 -Number of wins during the Payton/Brees era when traling after the third quarter.
3.7 -Lifetime yards per carry for Reggie Bush.
10 -Number of games missed by Reggie Bush the last two years.
16 – Number of starts missed by Marques Colston the last three years because of injury.
Potential Sleepers: The Saints love last year’s 7th round draft pick WR Adrian Arrington. He was on IR last year, and is hurt so far in camp. But if he can get healthy, he could move up the depth chart quickly. Former undrafted rookie LB Jo-Lonn Dunbar made a surprising contribution last year, and Saints fans are praying that he (or anybody) can start over Scott Shanle. And of the big undrafted RBs on the roster, second year guy Lynell Hamilton will be the first to get to prove himself.

And don’t turn your nose at this part of the preview and consider it wishful thinking. We’re talking about a coach in Sean Payton who will let anyone play. Consider Colston, Pierre Thomas, and Lance Moore, for example. The undrafted Thomas made the team over drafted RB Antonio Pittman in 2007, and Colston and Moore are more productive than first round pick Robert Meachem and second round pick Devery Henderson.
Draft: The Saints picked four players in the 2009 Draft. One’s out for the year. One’s a punter. That leaves first-round cornerback Malcolm Jenkins and fourth-round safety Chip Vaughn. If those two guys aren’t contributors, it’s a lost draft class.
Schedule: Like the rest of the division, they draw the entire NFC East AND AFC East. That’s a bitch of a schedule. However, they also draw the 4th place schedule, so they get to feast on the Lions and Rams. Predicting wins is often an exercise in futility. But if the Saints can beat the Lions, Rams, Jets, and Bills, sweep the Bucs, and split with the Falcons and Panthers, they’re a .500 team.
2009 Prediction: Last year the Falcons broke tradition by not going from worst to first in the NFC South, but they still made the playoffs. There are a lot of reasons to think that the Saints will do that too, with all of their offensive weapons. If Gregg Williams is a miracle worker, this team competes for the NFC Championship. If he’s just adequate (my most likely scenario), they’re a 9-7 wild card team.
NFC East: Dallas Cowboys | Philadelphia Eagles | New York Giants | Washington Redskins
NFC North: Chicago Bears | Detroit Lions | Minnesota Vikings | Green Bay Packers
NFL South: Tampa Bay Bucs | Atlanta Falcons
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August 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Hold on. Mike Anderson is still in the league?
Nice write-up, Jay.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Thomas will be the featured back by the end of the season.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
LSU sucks.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
My line coach in HS played football for UMaine. He was a big guy, 6′6″ 350lbs. He used to have a New Orleans Saints keychain and he would pick up chicks in bars by saying that he was a backup lineman for the Saints.
He said it didn’t work all the time, but more often than you would expect.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Isn’t he already?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Enjoyed it Jay, wish you had gotten that ESPN magazine cover with Shockey on it with the headline “Giants got a good deal, Saints got a better one.” Still makes me chuckle. And count me amongst the Pierre Thomas fantasy sleeper folks, him and Ray Rice are my mid to late gambles.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Will Robert Meachem ever do anything?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Mario Williams.
that is all
August 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
i have to admit: I am the one who tossed in ‘lucky’ in front of pierre thomas.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
How many guys that have won the Outland in college panned out in the NFL? Just a few of the busts:
- Robert Gallery
- Greg Eslinger
- Bryant McKinnie
- Kris Farris
There’s a ton more, I’m sure but those are guys I remember off the top of my head. Joe Thomas and Orlando Pace are the only real standouts I can recall.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
The Saints haven’t been the same since Mike Hass left*.
*-was released
August 10th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Woah now let’s not be besmirching the name of the great Greg Eslinger.
Besides, the guy was barely 250 in college and won the Outland Trophy.
By the way, nice writeup Jay
August 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
1. Falcons
2. Panthers
3. Saints
4. Bucs
August 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
goof jorp jay
August 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
1. Falcons
2. Panthers
3. Saints
4. Bucs
1. Saints
2. Falcons
3. Panthers
4. Bucs
/now we’re making sense
August 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I wouldn’t call Gallery a bust. He’s a pretty good guard. Plus, you only listed the OL, what about all the DL?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Bryant McKinnie
is a bust?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I think the Saints win the division. Falcons are taking a step back and Michael Turner is in for a surprise having carried the ball 376 times last year. He should just ask Larry Johnson.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
- Robert Gallery Too many steroids
- Greg Eslinger Not enough steroids
- Bryant McKinnieHead so big,Gary Anderson’s helmet easily fit inside McKinnie’s
- Kris Farris Never heard of the guy
August 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Is AP (363 carries) in for a surprise, too?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
yeah i wouldnt call mckinnie a bust either
August 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
This is quite the preview.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I wouldn’t call Gallery a bust.
Yes, he is a bust. He was brutal as a tackle and he’s an average guard. It’s taken him this long to be nearly serviceable at the guard position. Plus, he plays in Oakland, no none can succeed in Oakland.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
bryant mckinnie is a bust?
sure, he’s overrated as fuck, but he’s hardly a bust. he just chooses to alternate mind blowing displays of athletic feats for a man his size with multiple play stretches where he looks like he’s thinking about how many dildos he can shove in two strippers at once.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
gallery is most certainly a bust.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
but mike, the cutoff is 370!
August 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
gallery is NOT a bust.
he’s more than serviceable as a guard, showing a good ability to work at the second level and can hold the point of attack pretty well.
he was just miscast as a tackle…short arms, can’t move side to side very well…but as a guard, these shortcomings are covered up. he was pretty impressive last year, and should only get better as a guard. and with the money guards are making these days, gallery is just overpaid instead of being grossly, insanely, retardedly, eli manning-level overpaid.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Larry Johnson had 2 monster seasons carrying the rock all the time. That gives us one more season of Turner dominating.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
No. Everyone already knows he can’t block and will fumble it about 10 times a season.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Calling the 370 number arbitrary is like saying it’s arbitrary that the average human body temperature is 98.6 degrees, or that water arbitrarily boils at 212 degrees. They didn’t pull that number out of their asses, its just what has been shown to be statistically true.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
For the record, the Saints run a 4-3 and the Jets ran a 3-4. Vilma is much better suited, obviously, as the middle linebacker in a 4-3.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
theyre still shitty
August 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
this is laughable.
3-4 and 4-3 ILB’s are interchangeable and have the same responsibilities. if a guy makes this claim, it’s nothing more than a copout. it’s not like he’s a blitzing, pass rushing OLB moving to weakside OLB in a tampa 2 scheme.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Wow, a true believer if I ever saw one.
LDT had 372 carries his second year. He went on to have a pretty good career.
Terrell Davis had 369 carries in 1997. The next season, he went on to rush for more than 2,000 yards. (It must have been that one carried that saved him!)
Eric Dickerson carried the ball 390 times his rookie season, 379 times the year after that, 404 times in 1986, and 388 times in 1988. He’s one of the best RBs of all-time.
I can go on if you’d like.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Spencer, he’s a bust. I’m a Hawkeye and I’m calling him a bust. #2 overall pick? All that money? The way he dominated in college?
He’s a bust. A serviceable player at the #2 overall pick is a bust. Just like being a back-up QB at the #3 overall pick is a bust.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
LDT had 372 carries his second year. He went on to have a pretty good career.
Terrell Davis had 369 carries in 1997. The next season, he went on to rush for more than 2,000 yards. (It must have been that one carried that saved him!)
Eric Dickerson carried the ball 390 times his rookie season, 379 times the year after that, 404 times in 1986, and 388 times in 1988. He’s one of the best RBs of all-time.
I can go on if you’d like.
Of course there are going to be outliers in either direction. Statistics aren’t magic. I’m not saying that if you rush 371 times your autmatically going to break, and I don’t think anyone else is either.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Had a great O-Line and caught a ton of passes out of the backfield.
Played in the best blocking scheme a running back could possibly play in behind the best O-Line in the NFL.
1988. Different league. Different players.
Got any more brainbusters?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Made the argument for me before I got around to it
August 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
bust implies that the team is getting nothing from him.
you get nothing from a backup QB in most cases.
in this case…the raiders are getting a B/B+ guard at just above market value. that’s not a bust. that’s an underachievement, but not a bust.
when you go to a restaurant that you have REALLY high expectations for and your meal is only so-so, is that as bad as going and having the worst meal of your life and throwing up all night? no. bust implies getting nothing, not living up to whatever inflated expecatations come with an arbitrary draft position.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
If one is always trying to run over people, 370 will take it’s toll.
But if one runs like the Edge, or LT, or Barry Sanders, Your body has a better chance of holding up.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Wait … is the rule that if you rush for 370+ times AND you don’t have a great o-line AND you don’t catch a ton of passes out of the backfield AND you don’t play in a great blocking scheme AND if it wasn’t in the past 20 years … then your career is on the decline?
Or is it just if you rush for 370+ carries then your career is on the decline.
Now I’m confused. I didn’t know there were so many variables.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Ok, he’s not Ryan Leaf. But we can agree that he was not worthy of the #2 overall pick based on the way that he has played in the NFL.
I expected him to come in and be Jonathan Ogden. He was a man-mountain in college that took on two blocking assignments on every single play. Sometimes three.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
1. A complete failure; “the play was a dismal flop”.
Webster’s agrees with Spencer, though who believes what words actually mean these days?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Does Emmitt Smith count? He played in the 90s. Or does that not fit the criteria?
He also had a good offensive line, so I guess not.
Damn, so many rules.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Mike- I’m not putting my finger on 370 as the number. In fact, I didn’t even know that was a number of significance.
I just looked at his carries and saw 376… that’s a lot of carries. The guy is going to take a step back this year. Teams have had a chance to look at Matt Ryan’s tapes and he’s going to have the traditional sophomore slump.
The Broncos had John Elway, Ed McCaffrey, Shannon Sharpe and a great O-Line. The Chargers didn’t run LT on ISOs 25 times a game. And as I remember, he was criticized for running out of bounds quite a bit.
Eric Dickerson is an exception. Guys in the 1980s played through pain a lot more than they do now.
Is that logical enough for you or do I need to construct a pie chart?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
We’re talking about two different things, then.
ThatsSoTaguchi are talking about FO’s “Curse” of 370, which is a myth.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
no, he wasn’t worthy of #2, but that’s the gamble you take. don’t you think the packers would’ve rather had barry sanders or derrick thomas instead of the incredible bulk? id say yea, but it’s a gamble. sometimes you get paid handsomely, sometimes you break even and sometimes you go broke.
but a bust? how is a starter in the prime of his career playing above average football a bust? so he didn’t live up to expecatations, at least he’s a rock in their lineup and playing a majority of the snaps, something i think a lot of “busts” would like to say.
AND he has a fair contract to boot.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
bill brasky had 1600 carries in 1991 the next year he ran for 15,240 yards..in one game…and held an average of 10,000 yards a game after that
August 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
So, in short form…
Turner runs over people, doesn’t have an outstanding O-Line (but not a poor one) and the Falcons passing attack will likely be a little less effective than last year.
Thus, Turner is going to deal with a lot more 7-8 man fronts which as I understand it, makes it more difficult to run the football effectively.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
emmitt smith shouldn’t count for anything…one of the five most overrated players in NFL history.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
If one is always trying to run over people, 370 will take it’s toll.
But if one runs like the Edge, or LT, or Barry Sanders, Your body has a better chance of holding up.
Amen, made my point for me. The Barbers and The Petersons of the world have short successful careers, but the numbers are still bullshit if you are setting it at 370. These are mid 20 year old men, they will be just fine carrying the load for another couple of years. Precisely why you have a whole off season to recover. To say a RB in his or close to his prime is going to have a let down year because of the amount he carried the ball the year before is just retarded. If it was a 29 year old LT, than the argument may hold water
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
ThatsSoTaguchi are talking about FO’s “Curse” of 370, which is a myth.
Some really fat people live to be 100. That doesn’t prove that it’s a myth that being obese shortens a life span. It’s an outlier, just like your examples are outliers.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
+1
August 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
If you want to think Turner will decline for those reasons (and I’m inclined to agree with you), then fine.
But citing an arbitrary number of carries as your sole reasoning doesn’t make any sense.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
But you won’t agree with me on Joe Montana?! C’mon, man!
/probably just started another 15-20 comment discussion
Mike- Agreed. Totally.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Recently read Michael Lewis’s “The Blindside”, makes a very convincing case in there abotu Montana being overrated.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
bill brasky had 1600 carries in 1991 the next year he ran for 15,240 yards..in one game…and held an average of 10,000 yards a game after that
adn when it rained, they used his foreskin as a tarp.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Most overrated lists have to contain Emmitt Smith, Terry Bradshaw, Brett Favre, Olin Kreutz and Craig Morton.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
You understand there aren’t that many examples of players rushing for 370+ (28 times) or 360+ carries (43 times), right?
You can cite some examples of players declining after 370 carries, without proving causation. I can cite some examples of players not declining after 370 carries, which disproves causation in those cases.
Who’s examples are the outliers?
August 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
you know who else is overrated? not bill brasky
August 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
QB’s get treated differently. and montana was the helmsman for one of the most innovative, game changing offensive philosophies the NFL has ever seen.
the cowboys of the 90’s offensive success should be attributed to three entities on offense…1. the OL, 2. norv turner’s great playcalling and offensive scheme, 3. the OL again and 4. irvin and novacek
August 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
favre doesn’t belong on this list…he was PHENOMENAL in the 90’s.
im not sure kreutz does either but i’ll allow it because he is overrated.
not sure who i’d put on there instead tho.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Dan Marino was overrated
August 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
um….kreutz is not overrated he would kill your favorite team’s center in a blink of an eye. you wish kreutz was on your team.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
I don’t see ATL winning the division. They have a beastly schedule which puts them at 8-8 as I see it. I don’t think 8 wins gets the division, though I would not be surprised if 9 did. I think the South is going to be weak this year. Of course if NO finds a defense they could win 11 games.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
not sure who i’d put on there instead tho.
Joe Namath
August 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
@spencer – Don’t forget the blow. How do you think the Cowboys got up for all those games?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
i used to agree…not so much anymore. he’s properly rated.
and YES…joe namath is completely, utterly, totally overrated. worst HoFer in there?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Shaun Alexander
August 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
pshh…maybe for the pussy ass skill position players, but not the hogs on the line. nate newton and his u-haul of cancer patient weed was fueling all the bigguns.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Having an extra fat Defensive tackle holding up blockers giving your ILB freedom to roam is the difference. Ask Ray Lewis, esp. when he begged the Ravens to draft a fat guy(Ngata).
Good write-up Jay. I wouldn’t expect anything less from the second best Saints fan on this site. For the record the Saints are going 11-5, win the division, and will make the NFC championship game.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
another good one. walter jones and hutch…wow. cedric benson would’ve been a 2,000 yard rusher behind that left side.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
How is Kevin Greene not in the HOF? He’s third on the all-time sack list with 160. Derrick Thomas makes it in before him? I don’t get it
August 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
worst HoFer in there?
Yes, because is SB 3 never happens, he is never though of again and no one remembers his ass. Joe can thank a stellar Jets running game and great defense that is super bowl guarantee can true
August 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Derrick Thomas is dead?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
TRUE DAT. I have argued with my buddies for years that he is the most overrated player in any of the 3 major U.S. sports.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Craig Morton is properly rated. People only remember him for being Denver’s QB #7 before Elway.
Emmitt Smith
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Namath
Lynn Swann
Unitas(just kidding)
Andre Tippett(hall of famer my ass)
August 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
He couldn’t even beat Steve “Mongo” McMichael without Jeff Jarrett’s help.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
how is that a difference?
in most standard 4-3’s one of the DT’s plays one-gap and is pretty useless against the run unless they’re named sapp or randle. and, you’re right, in a 4-3 you have an extra DT…but in a 3-4, ALL the linemen are there to hold blocks instead of pass rush so you have 3 fat guys instead of just two (or in most cases, one).
ILB’s are ILB’s are ILB’s…
August 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Derrick Thomas is dead?
I think that has a lot to do with it
August 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Lynn Swann and Namath have to have a fight to the death for worst HOF’er.
to the death!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
because greene, despite the rosy soundbites and big hits, did shit against the run and was the OLB version of a spread-option QB…i.e. he got his, but so did literally every other warm body that played in that scheme for those teams.
cal ripken jr. end of story.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Good call. Those two have scompelling arguments as the worst NFL HOF’er.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Guards hit ILB’s more in the 3-4 than in the 4-3. If you have a fast, athletic ILB, you don’t want that to happen. Again, look at Ray Ray, when goose retired and the Ravens went to the 3-4, he wasn’t the same player. Same with Vilma(to a much lesser degree), you let him roam sideline to sideline without having to worry about lineman attacking him, he’s a playmaker.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
cal ripken jr. end of story.
Spence I look forward to this weeks PGA preview for another paragraph about why Nick Faldo sucks.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Vilma reclaimed his role as a top-flight 3-4 middle linebacker after escaping from the Jets’ 4-3 Hell.
Think you meant it the other way around, Jay.
Solid write-up and I gotta agree. 9-7.
And if Williams can’t motivate Smith and Grant…fuck ‘em both and get rid of their asses.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Nolan Ryan, end of story
/Fixed
August 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
unless they have an NT who demands a double team at all times like casey hampton, jamal williams or vince wilfork. then they get hit no more than a guy in a 4-3 would.
and after goose retired, the ravens didn’t have that guy in the middle. they tried to get by on retreads and it didn’t work. and ray was still effective as fuck.
and lets not confuse jonathan fucking vilma with a legit HoFer please…
August 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I said to a much lesser degree, put the bong down.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
WHOA there. All-time MLB strikeout leader and tosser of 7 no-hitters is overrated? Please explain this to me a little further.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Thank you, Jay.
Everybody seems to forget that the Saints lost six of their eight games by a combined 18 points. If the Saints improve on their own third-down conversions just a hair and can somehow make the pass defense even serviceable, then this could be a 10-6 team AT LEAST.
Question for my fellow Saints fans: Is it possible to drink the Kool-Aid while still waiting for the other shoe to drop? Maybe I can drink the Kool-Aid from the shoe that has already fallen off?
August 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
NEVER!!!!!
August 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I just got here, but if Robert Gallery is a bust, because he had to move to guard, wouldn’t that make Leonard Davis a bust, too? He was also picked #2, and got fat, fat left tackle money. Then he stunk it up. Then he got fat, fat money to move to guard. The major difference is the number of years, and where he played.
So that’s not to a bust on Gallery. Or McKinnie. And Haloti Ngata is not a fat guy, he’s a giant monster.
Oh, and Emmitt Smith finished runs, and he blocked well. Don’t dog him because he got to run through huge, huge holes for 11 straight seasons.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Also, nice preview Jay. I would have expected far more pessimism from you, though. And more ESPN hate.
August 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Jay dont know shit about shit.
/Hatin’ just to be Hatin’
August 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
@souvenircity
of the 22 pitchers in 300 win club, Nolan Ryan ranks dead last in win percentage of .526. He also has by far the worst walk rate of 4.67 per 9 innings pitched. He only had 2 20 win season, the least of the 300 win clun other than Don Sutton. His teams weren’t as shitty as they were made out to be and Ryan should have won more games than he did. Ryan never won a Cy Young and finished in the top 3 in Cy Young voting just 3 times in 27 years. He blew his World Series appearance in 1980 with a three run lead and 6 outs to go. Don;t get me wrong he was a freak, but when people claim him as the greatest pitcher to ever play, well that’s laughable
August 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
On the plus side he’s FIXIN THE WHOLE DAGGUM TEXAS ORGANIZATION makin’ them young pitcher’s throw more and do wind sprints an such.
August 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Who cares
Good point.
BIG who cares
An important event, but it was just a one time event. Not a big deal.
August 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I don’t think anyone has ever said this. Maybe Nolan Ryan’s kids.
August 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Jeff Saturday’s better than Olin Kreutz, so no.
August 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Thanks for the compliments guys. I have been in school meetings all day.
And for the record, the 4-3 was my typo. I meant 3-4.
And for the ESPN hate, I’m just proving that I have more in my bag than the regular stand-by.