Q&A with Hall of Fame QB Steve Young
Media Interviews, Video September 22nd. 2009, 3:00pm
Former San Francisco 49ers star Steve Young is out promoting a new NFL Hall of Fame initiative, Fanschoice. The site lets fans vote – and write-in – who they think should be in the Hall of Fame. For now, the fans’ vote doesn’t count. Down the road, who knows. Our Q&A with the Hall of Famer is after the jump.
Q: Might as well begin with a Hall of Fame question. Does Kurt Warner get your vote? 
Young: I said at the Super Bowl last year ‘yes.’ There were some doldrums in the middle of his career, but the story [of where he came from] and what he did taking two teams that were historically doormats, to the Super Bowl … that’s unprecedented. Who is a QB that could take the Arizona Cardinals and St. Louis Rams to the Super Bowl, and actually win one of them? [With Warner] you tend to want to think no on the Hall, but I think you’d be foolish at this point.
Q: Sticking to QBs … taking age into account, who are the top five QBs right now that you would build a franchise around?
Young: Peyton and Tom are the two guys that you’d want to take. They have made it an art form. They’re going to give you that gritty, tough, yet cutting edge performance. They embody so many parts of QBs that we like. That next wave … I’ve said this for 3-4 years – Drew Brees. Whenever I watch him play he does things subtly that show me that he’s like Tom and Peyton and playing ahead of the game. He plays ahead of everybody. He’s underestimated, I think, dramatically. Brett Favre and Warner are kind of in similar situations in their careers and what they are doing. With weapons and protection, you have to put those two guys [in the top five]. They’re not as vibrant as Ben and Eli and Philip, so I give that caveat, and there’s an asterisk next to both. But when they get protected, especially early in the season, they should be up there.
I was more impressed [Sunday] than I have been in a long time with Eli. I thought it was a gutsy, heady win. He’s now the older guy, taking younger players and making them better.
Q: How would you grade your Monday Night Football with the two Mikes last week? Were you pleased? Is that something you’d want to do again?
Young: I [wouldn't grade myself]. I don’t do that as a profession. As I told the guys at ESPN, if you’re going to have me [be an analyst] once, you have to do it twice. The first time, you’re like, ‘oh, I get it,’ and then you do it one more time. When you do that job, you have to have the mindset, ‘I’m sitting at home, what do I need to hear?’ I tend to get very technical. I want to talk about QBs and protections and defenses and coverages … and I think you can overdo that stuff. Over time, you figure out how to manage that. So it’s a no grade cause I don’t do it enough.
Q: Will there be a 2nd time?
Young: I don’t know. I have no idea. I’ve always thought of doing it, and ESPN has thought maybe I should do it, but it hasn’t worked out that way. But it’s a lot more travel and time away from home … I don’t know. I’d welcome other opportunities but I’ve found my niche that I kind of enjoy and I don’t need to be away from home as much.
Q: You suffered a few concussions in your career. Many players are struggling physically just a few years after they have left the game. Carson Palmer told Peter King that “somebody is going to die here in the NFL.” How much concern do you have that prior concussions could impact you down the road?
Young: You don’t know … but I don’t think so. I don’t think I had the numbers or the severity. And also the side effects that I’m hearing are everyday events for a lot of guys that played. I’m appalled hearing the stories … I just never had them. I had a series of very minor concussions that I healed from and got better and never had side effects or lasting effects. I think I’m ok … we’ll find out. But I’m hearing about a lot of guys my age and younger who are suffering dramatically.
Q: Do you think the league is providing enough for former players in their advanced age?
Young: It’s hard. The game takes a toll. The league’s insurance and pensions is getting better … it was horrid for many years. I think Gene Upshaw did a nice job to finally figure out how to do retirement. I think it is getting better but it is still far away from what MLB and basketball have.
Q: Are you aware of the statistics on athletes who are broke five and 10 years after they retire? The numbers are staggering.
Young: Of course. Everybody faces the same challenges of budget and how to live your life … bad decisions and bad timing and living not within your means … there’s no secret there. There’s no secret to what puts you in a jam. When you hear the stories and read about them, its amazing that people put themselves in that kind of spot.
Q: Surely you’re aware of athletes on twitter … any thoughts on Rodney Harrison blasting Kerry Rhodes of the Jets and then Rhodes responding on twitter? Any overall thoughts on the media, athletes and new media?
Young: I know about twitter, but I didn’t hear [about Harrison vs. Rhodes].
[Laughter]
Whatever. There’s just no way to slow that train down. There’s just too many avenues for communcation. The thing is, now all those forms are very public. Maybe that’s good or bad, you could make the argument … but there are no secrets anymore. I suspect we’re going to see more chaotic communication.
Q: There is a moral obligation that anyone who interviews a former QB between now and the 2010 NFL draft must ask about Florida’s Tim Tebow. So how about his pro prospects?
Young: Do not allow the running and the physicality of his game to fool you. Wipe that out. That means nothing to the negative. It is all positive in my mind. There’s no reason to study him as a possible pro prospect and talk about his running. There’s nothing negative to it.
What you need to talk about is his ability in the pocket to deliver the football accurately and on time. I don’t see anything that tells me he can’t do that. I think there’s a sense that because he does this other stuff, that it somehow obfuscates his ability to play QB in the NFL. I think the kid’s a competitor, a studier, and I think he’ll thrive in some system. I don’t see why he can’t thrive in the NFL. I’ve see the quarterbacking in this league, and Tim Tebow could play QB.
Q: There’s been some talk of Tim Tebow’s political aspirations … how about you? You spoke at the Republican National Convention in 2000 …
Young: [Laughter] I took as many beatings as I’m going to take in the NFL. That’s a rough crowd.
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September 22nd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
LOL then what’s the point???
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
I think the plan is maybe to have them count in the future.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Young to Rice, third play from scrimmage against the Chargers in the Super Bowl. Classic Niners. I miss those teams. But…
Five good seasons. That’s it. The rest have been awful. An emphatic no.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Good stuff
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
When Matt Millen and Steve Young were arguing last night I was very concerned that their combined stupidity could rupture the time space continuum and open a wormhole an alternate, and much dumber, dimension. Dont say I didn’t warn you.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Former San Francisco 49ers star Steve Young is out promoting a new NFL Hall of Fame initiative, Fanschoice. The site lets fans vote – and write-in – who they think should be in the Hall of Fame. For now, the fans’ vote doesn’t count.
Hannah Montana is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Nice interview TBL. Keep em coming
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Great interview.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Too bad Art Monk didn’t bag groceries before his career…wouldn’t have had to wait so long
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I did enjoy the interview. I forgot to say.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Always been a big SY fan. Cool little Q and A, TBL.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Good stuff TBL, no quick hitters tho? It helps with my humanization factor after watching “Steve Yong’s great escape”
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Too bad Art Monk didn’t bag groceries before his career…wouldn’t have had to wait so long
Jesus I loathe the Redskins, but those Joe Gibbs teams are very, very poorly represented in the Hall of Fame. Grimm and Jacoby need to be in there. If you can’t honor great offensive linemen from great offensive lines, what the hell is the Hall of Fame for? Oh, yeah, shitty QB’s who used to sack groceries.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Young*
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Oh, yeah, shitty QB’s who used to sack groceries.
That is, shitty QB’s who used to sack groceries that have both of Marshall Faulk’s MVP trophies.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I felt like engaging him on the Warner issue, but they really kept the interview tight, to 16 mins.
Who more defined a generation, Randall Cunningham or Kurt Warner?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
(just a name i saw on that link; didn’t say Cunningham was better)
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Not as vibrant as Ben and Eli? You suck, Steve Young.
/nice interview
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
no pics of his model wife? geez louise
great job TBL
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Is Stevie Y too good for quick hitters!? Bullshit.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
I can’t believe Mark Sanchez wasn’t mentioned in the 5 QBs you want on your team right now. Did you see him hand off to Leon Washington last week! Amazing!
/Jet fans
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
TBL: Who are the top-3 people whom you would like to interview in sports right now?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Too bad Art Monk didn’t wait forever
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
TBL: Who are the top-3 people whom you would like to interview in sports right now?
1.Mark Sanchez
2.Rex Ryan
3.Lebron James
1,342. Kobe
/TBL’d
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Carson Palmer is a pussy.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Man… and I used to really like Steve Young.
/good stuff
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
five TREMENDOUS seasons…one of the all-time great rags-to-riches stories in NFL history…took the rams and cards to SB’s.
take bradshaw out…put warner in.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Don’t let fake debates between TV talking heads guide your opinion of the relative intelligence of either of these guys. Let their actions be your guide.
One has a law degree. One managed an 0 – 16 NFL franchise.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Be fair. Three tremendous seasons. Can’t do it.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
no way in hell should fans be able to vote who gets in the hall of fame. my first peice of evidence to support my point of view is how people vote for the nba all star game.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
fine…agree to disagree.
can we at least put in a picture of his wife from back when she looked like a dude?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
good interview by the way.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
no way in hell should fans be able to vote who gets in the hall of fame. my first peice of evidence to support my point of view is how people vote for the nba all star game.
No shit, If this was the case Bernie Kosar woulda been voted in 10 years ago.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
let the players vote
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
If fans got to vote for the Hall there’d be even more unworthy Steelers in the Hall including Jeff Reed and Santonio Holmes.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
five TREMENDOUS seasons…one of the all-time great rags-to-riches stories in NFL history…took the rams and cards to SB’s.
You’re counting two of the season with the Cards as tremendous? Those guys were just a fantasy team, amassing stats more than anything.
And the Mike Martz offense put up huge numbers, but they didnt’ win games for one of those seasons that was so tremendous. 8-8 sucks. And, on top of that, he was, at best, the third best player on his offense.
The Hall of Fame’s got too many QB’s in it already. Too many QB’s overall, and way too many marginal QB’s. Warner can go to hell.
Go find some offensive linemen to honor.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
And the Pro Bowl and the MLB All star game. fans have no place in it. I think it should be a players vote of some kind.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Is Jimmy Johnson up for enshrinement yet? Dude deserves to be in first ballot.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Not sure who more defined a generation, but I do know:
Kurt Warner > Randall Cunningham
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
TBL- good interview. this should be your target. former stud athletes that are now in broadcasting. ya gotta work on getting barkley!
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Eagles QB #7 won me a lot of games in Tecmo Super Bowl. He was amazing.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
whoa whoa whoa…
say he’s not an HoF’er, fine, but how can someone truly hate kurt warner? he’s a nice guy who doesn’t get in trouble and is the ultimate underdog…what’s there to hate?
gloves? beards? do you hate gloves and beards?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
1. Gossip Girl
2. The girl that plays Gossip Girl
3. The head of the Gossip Girl fan club (ssshhhhh, its me)
/TBL
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Who was better? 98 Vikings Randall Cunningham or 99 Rams Kurt Warner?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
yeah, Cunningham had more talent, but Warner had the better career.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
kurt warner is a mediocre qb who has been blessed with alot of weapons. when he didnt have those weapons he looked just like what he was/is, a mediocre qb. he isnt making mediocre players good and good players great. that is what hall of fame QBs do in my opinion. no hall of fame for him
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Oh man, I mean man-goblin.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
you, literally, just described EVERY SINGLE HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACK not named john elway or dan marino.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
one of the all-time great rags-to-riches stories in NFL history
What does this have to do with HoF credentials?
Andre Rison had a few good seasons and his house was burned down by his crazy girlfriend. Let’s put him in the HoF.
Warner’s story is a good one, but HoF enshrinement should be about on the field achievements.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
fuck marino.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
you, literally, just described EVERY SINGLE HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACK not named john elway or dan marino.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
how is that anywhere near the same thing?
it’s called the american dream, bro.
/has nothing to do with my argument
//i just love kurt warner
///got something wrong with that
////man you’re an asshole
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
okay, his on the field achievements prove he should be in.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Peyton?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
but how can someone truly hate kurt warner
it’s what i do. I’d like to kick that guy right in the snatch.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
how is that anywhere near the same thing?
it’s called the american dream, bro.
/has nothing to do with my argument
//i just love kurt warner
///got something wrong with that
////man you’re an asshole
It’s not the same thing in terms of personal effects, but it had just as much to do with whether he should or shouldn’t be in the HoF.
Kurt Warner is a good guy and his wife somehow went from looking like a dude to looking kinda nice. And he overcame personal tragedy. Good for him, but’s got shit to do with his on the field achievements.
/You’re an asshole too.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Montana too. He was 90 years old on the Chiefs and making shit happen with J.J. Birden and Willie Davis. In particular, a Monday night game where he bitchslapped Elway, again, in the closing seconds.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
peyton is my favorite QB of all time, but he’s had some fantastic teammates…tarik glenn, jeff saturday, marhar, reggie wayne, clark…he wasn’t working with the relative crap elway and marino were for the bulk of their respective careers.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
C’mon… you’re just trying to get Elisha’s bust preparing for when he’s a borderliner in about 12 years.
/Warner should get in
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I am really fucking bad with my tense on verbs today.
/cthomashowell’d
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:38 pm
okay, his on the field achievements prove he should be in.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with him getting in I guess. I mean if Bradshaw is in….
Just pointing out the unimportance of part of spencer’s argument.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
im glad spence knows about and has seen every qb in the hall of fame play. man you are awesome.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Peyton?
He was throwing balls to to future hall of famers last year and is throwing balls to a future hall of famer this year……..Brady?? now there’s an argument
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Montana too.
There’s about 20 teenagers looking up his KC stats now to disprove your argument.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Absolutely. Grimm for certain, Jacoby probably.
Not Mark May, though, LOL.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Just look at his page. No way:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WarnKu00.htm
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Spencer’s new nemesis is mrejr.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Nah. All they’d have to look up are Jerry Rice’s YAC stats and Bill Walsh’s record to show that Joe Montana was average.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
How dare you, sir!
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
relative crap elway and marino were for the bulk of their respective careers.
Elway yes, Marino no. Marino had a great O-line, he just never realized it. He had good receivers, and for several seasons, even a reasonable D (the Killer B’s). Never a good RB though.
John Elway dragged three horrible teams to the superbowl with motherfucking shovel passes that always worked. There wasn’t a single player I hated more in the 1980’s than John Elway. Now ask me who the best QB to ever lace them up is. Go ahead, ask me.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
NFL Films is well-known for their very poor archives.
/sincere
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
nah, i don’t think Eli is on his way at all. Eli is having a very Phil Simms like career. which isn’t hall worthy, but I will take it.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
dirt who is the best qb to ever lace them up?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
No, this is a Nah.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
dude, it’s part and parcel…if you’re a super bowl winning QB, you’re surrounded by fellow super bowl winning caliber players.
you mean to tell me bradshaw isn’t overrated even though there’s a dozen HoFers on those steeler teams? or montana isn’t even though he was throwing to the best WR of all time, the best TE of the decade, the best fullback of the decade and arguably the best pass catching RB of all time?
i could keep going, but you’d just be a smartass because someone took offense with your shortsighted, blanket statement.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Andre Rison had a few good seasons and his house was burned down by his crazy girlfriend. Let’s put him in the HoF.
how is that anywhere near the same thing?
it’s called the american dream, bro.
exactly, rison achieved the american dream of home ownership, and then left eye burned it down.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
?
/sammy baugh?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
When’s Duffy’s college football post coming?
Also, I love Montana, but Elway was the best quarterback of his generation and he may be the best ever.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
dirt who is the best qb to ever lace them up?
I’m really the wrong guy to ask. My opinions aren’t that strong. It’s debatable, that’s for sure.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Bavaro played on the Giants.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
For someone who got owned in so many Super Bowls, I don’t know how anyone can say that.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
dirt who is the best qb to ever lace them up?
Walter Brister
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Sorry Steve, but what does that have to do with making it into the HoF?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Bavaro played on the Giants.
+ 1 for that beast.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
what i said:
i was talking about one player so blanket statement is wrong
what you said:
every qb in the HOF except 2
can someone explain to spence what a blanket statement is?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
It says right on this page he’s hall of fame bound.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
For someone who got owned in so many Super Bowls, I don’t know how anyone can say that.
Championships are the only measure of a quarterback, just ask Spence.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
well, warner should just tell people he was hurt for those years in between. then he has 5 studly seasons to back him up. i mean, gayle sayers only need 1 great year and 4 good years.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Also, I love Montana, but Elway was the best quarterback of his generation and he may be the best ever.
Ronnie Brown looked like the greatest QB Eva last night.
/The QB on the other team is the greatest QB ever
//Sincere
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
obviously the fans have proven they get these kind of things right, time and time again with pro bowl selections and all star selections in MLB.
good interview. would have asked more about his concussions since he seems to really downplay the severity of his, yet it caused him to retire.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
actually, im an idiot.
the best TE of the decade was ozzie newsome. i should have my browns card revoked.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I’m not sure if Warner should go in, but I sure hope Mike Martz makes it.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
yeah, i was quite shocked you said that.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Amen
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
For someone who got owned in so many Super Bowls, I don’t know how anyone can say that.
those were some bad teams that he dragged with him to those Super Bowls. I absolutely loathe the Broncos, but I got a little choked up when Pat Bowlen held that 1996 SB Trophy up and screamed, “this one’s for John!”
He was too good to have had those three shitty beatdowns be his legacy.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Come on, dude. Those 49ers teams were maybe the best ever. Were the Broncos ever that good? He had shit to play with on both sides of the ball, yet he won many games and when he finally got a runningback they won two titles. Super Bowls are overrated in terms of ranking the best QB’s. I guess Big Ben is better than Marino and Peyton and equal to Elway.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
that wasn’t the statement i was referring to…i was referring to your jackass stament about me seeing every QB of all time.
but whatever…im sure you’re right and warner is the only QB to have a lot of great players on his team.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
if he played now and the voting was done now, no way he gets in.
warner needs one more good season, similar to last season, and he’s in. not first ballot though.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
i mean, gayle sayers only need 1 great year and 4 good years.
it’s this kind of fucked up, stats looking at logic that ruins these football discussions. Just go and talk to an old man for five minutes, and you’ll understand why Sayers is in. Or Bob Hayes, same thing. You didn’t see, I didn’t see.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
All that needed to be said to convince me.
Bill Walsh > Shanny too.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
yea! fuck looking deeper into things and not just taking them at face value! who needs facts when you have second hand word of mouth?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
gayle sayers only need 1 great year and 4 good years.
no, all he needed was 18″ of daylight
but I got a little choked up when Pat Bowlen held that 1996 SB Trophy up and screamed, “this one’s for John
that sand must really hurt your vajeeeeen
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Brett Favre was choked up, too. awfully nice of him to donate his SB win like that.
/just being a jerk
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
why does every QB conversation devolve to “I guess Big Ben is better than Marino because he has rings”. QB is the most important position, and generally the team leader, and gets a lot of credit for SB wins. it is obviously not the only criteria, but it plays a hand in evaluation, especially when someone has won multiple SBs. but as one of the biggest Roethlisberger fans around these parts, I am saying that Marino is the better QB.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
i concur
i said that? hmmmm see the first comment of yours that i quoted please
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
that sand must really hurt your vajeeeeen
and it had an ingrown hair. It was awful.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
This all seems reasonable to me until I realize it’s this logic that gets Jim Rice into the Baseball Hall of Fame. People tend to make the past a lot prettier than it was. Not saying Sayers shouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame, but I don’t give a shit about the memory of an old man recalling the good old days.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I’m sure Ralph Wilson would have done the same and said, “This one’s for Jim” if, you know….
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
if you go look at stat sheets, you’ll find out Deacon Jones recorded no sacks. Not one. How is he a hall of famer?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
JPQ excepted, of course.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Throwing awful picks to guys like Chet freaking Brooks in the Super Bowl are no one’s fault but Elway’s. He got jittery on the big stage. So did a lot of QBs. Not a big deal.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Yeah my eyes turned into water faucets after that win. I’ll never forget that day. All this Elway talk is giving me goosebumps.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
no, but you’re making some assertion about warner that’s dumb. it’s plain and simple, dumb.
so he had some good WR’s…so the fuck what?
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Because people always say, “so-and-so has more rings so he must be better” and that is simply not the case.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Um, didn’t sacks not exist at that point?
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
it was a little tongue-in-cheek. i watch warner, guy is friggin great. people always want to bash the baseball HoF, but the Pro Football HoF is so much more inconsistent with its selections.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
that sand must really hurt your vajeeeeen
and it had an ingrown hair. It was awful.
pic???
but I don’t give a shit about the memory of an old man recalling the good old days.
but they were damnit!
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
no, he really sucked. people just liked his name. sounded bad ass.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
because he looks like a big boy version of beetlejuice?
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Um, didn’t sacks not exist at that point?
so the recording of statistics has evolved since then, huh?
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I think part of this is we have a better baseline of understanding why someone should or should not get into the baseball hall of fame. Football players not only have so many moving parts around them that affect their play but for the unskilled positions very little information easily available and understood by the public. People complain about the baseball Hall of Fame because they know they should be angry, peopel complain about the Football Hall of Fame on more of a gut level.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
so the recording of statistics has evolved since then, huh?
I really don’t understand your point.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Elway got his teams out to leads in the first 2 super bowls he played in. then the overall talent level of the other teams took over. the broncos had nowhere near the talent of the Giants, Skins and 49ers teams. but…the front 7 of those defenses he went against were >>>>>>>>>>>> then those broncos offensive lines and the denver couldn’t run the ball for shit. so it was tee off on elway.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Because people always say, “so-and-so has more rings so he must be better” and that is simply not the case.
I think in the Big Ben example, having rings is brought up as part of his record, and then someone says “yeah, Marc Rypien must be better than Marino.” I just think that Roethlisberger winning 2 in his first 5 years is quite different than Trent Dilfer winning 1, and suggests that maybe looking beyond the numbers in the paper is prudent. i know that he won’t win you your fantasy league, but he does things that most QB can’t do.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
he had a hall of fame running back, 1(mayber 2 if holt ..wait he plays for jacksonville? way to go chicago! ) HOF wide receiver(bruce) who was good before he got there. a bad ass offensive line and an underrated defense.
in new york he sucked. in arizona he has a receiving corp that is just sick and nasty. and the only reason they made it to the superbowl was because thweir defense decided to start showing up.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I really don’t understand your point.
i’m attempting to build just the cutest little straw man…but you don’t want to help. fucker.
anyway, i agree with you about this — people complain about the Football Hall of Fame on more of a gut level.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
he had a hall of fame running back, 1(mayber 2 if holt ..wait he plays for jacksonville? way to go chicago! ) HOF wide receiver(bruce) who was good before he got there. a bad ass offensive line and an underrated defense.
How aware were you of Holt and Bruce before Warner showed up?
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
So… if I inverse that, I kinda get something that looks like this.
/full circle’d for my own purposes
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Just think, if Elway played in the NFC he would have been spared of numerous Super Bowl embarrassments.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
mrejr…but once again i ask, so what? we could name all the great players pretty much every HOF QB played alongside and we’d still be in the same spot…you not thinking warner’s a HOF’er and me thinking he is.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Jeff Feagles is the greatest punter ever.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
i kinda thank elway for beating the browns those years…saved us even more embarassment.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Jeff Feagles is the greatest punter ever.
Just the most prolific. Ray Guy is the best punter ever. Do you know how I know? I asked an old guy. Also, I am an old guy.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
but he saved the Browns from terrible, terrible Super Bowl loses. couldn’t have done that in the NFC.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
shane lechler > guy
/stats!!!
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
chris gardocki never had a punt blocked. also, he was terrible
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
pretty aware. i live in central illinois dude. we get rams games here. and before each football season i used to get one of the magazines that does the season previews so i had a good grasp on a lot of players throughout the nfl
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
guy has had a very good avg his whole career, and there was no better at the coffin corner kick. feagles > guy
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Holt’s rookie year was 99, so no awareness necessary. Bruce had already put up good numbers on terrible offensive teams preWarner.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I do think Shane Lechler deserves to be the first punter in the HoF. Only punter in football that can legitimately be considered a weapon.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Torry Holt was a rookie in 1999. Kurt warner was a bench QB in 1998. He wasn’t slated to start in 1999 either. But that offense was already in place.
So nobody had really heard of Holt as a Ram.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I don’t know that Kurt Warner is necessarily a HOFer. But, I always think it’s really dim to argue against a player’s merits simply because he had talent around him.
Jerry Rice may be the greatest WR ever, but is he a HOFer if he has Kordell Stewart throwing to him? Likewise, Joe Montana obviously benefitted from having WRs of the caliber of Rice and Taylor.
I also think it’s silly when we denigrate players we never even saw. If you saw Terry Bradshaw play and think he’s a fraud I’ll listen to your case. I’ll laugh at you…but I’ll listen. And, yes, I’m looking at you, Spencer.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
i knew of holt because of his retarded numbers he put up at NC State of all places.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
terry bradshaw can lick my fleshy fun bridge.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I do think Shane Lechler deserves to be the first punter in the HoF. Only punter in football that can legitimately be considered a weapon.
As for the first part please read this quote from Ray Guy’s wiki page — Joe Horrigan, the historian of the Pro Football Hall of Fame once said: “He’s the first punter you could look at and say: ‘He won games.’”
As for the second part, don’t you watch any San Diego games?
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
i got served
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
terry bradshaw can lick my fleshy fun bridge.
Hilarious, but threw up in my mouth a little bit
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I demand that Dan Reeves get the thrashing he deserves for losing those Super Bowls for Elway.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I also think it’s silly when we denigrate players we never even saw. If you saw Terry Bradshaw play and think he’s a fraud I’ll listen to your case. I’ll laugh at you…but I’ll listen. And, yes, I’m looking at you, Spencer.
Wilt Chamberlain and Pete Maravich agree w/ this
/old argument’d
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I’m pretty much with 412 here, but Kurt is an interesting case because it was so boom or bust. With average talent he was awful, I mean cover your eyes terrible. But with uber-elite receivers he had several great seasons.
First ballot Hall of Very Good player, not so much on the Hall of Fame.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Of the current QBs, the HOFers are as follows:
1. P. Manning
2. Brady
3. Favre
I think Ben will probably get there. Likewise, I think Brees has some solid credentials and needs a few more similar years. Warner, in my humble opinion, falls a tad short.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
As long as he gets the praise he deserves for getting good production out of Mike Vick.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
that’s the crux of the argument. QB’s wouldn’t have numbers w/o WR’s, WR’s wouldn’t have numbers w/o QB’s.
RB’s wouldn’t have numbers w/o a good OL, OL gets shit on and forgotten either way.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Is this the most boring interview in the history of TBL? Not TBL’s fault, it’s Young’s. Man is he boring, just awful. I cannot believe he has a job on ESPN. The man is the exact opposite of how he was when he played.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
1. P. Manning
Best QB ever.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
yea, big ben will probably get in…but i dunno about brees. he’s gotta win at least one SB and continue this ridiculous pace. and even then he still could be overlooked…hell, you rarely hear his name mentioned as often as you hear brady/manning/favre, but you could make the argument that he’s playing better than all of them right now.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I think if you include Favre you have to include Warner. Football doesn’t romanticize longevity the way baseball does. To me those two are pretty similar players, i.e. gunslingers
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Randall Cunningham is a guy who played on a team in the Eagles that had Buddy Ryan as a coach who didn’t give jack shit about the offensive side of the ball, Keith Byars as a number 1 running back, and Fred Barnett as a number 1 WR. Yet he was throwing for 3000 and running for almost a thousand every year. Cunningham > Warner
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
At this point Brees reminds me of Warren Moon, video game offense but no big wins in the playoffs. I think he’ll get in.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Should have done “Something About Mary,” Steve.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Late to the party, but Warner is a sure-fire HOFer. Warner is playing with the same WRs that Matt Leinart plays with (or tried to play with), and the numbers put up by Warner are much much better than those put up by Leinart. Warner should not be penalized for kicking ass in a system that suits his skill set.
September 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Very well put.
September 22nd, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Not really sure if you were arguing against me here or not. Nevertheless, I do agree that QBs need WRs (and vice versa). Likewise, RBs need a solid O line (though Sanders had some awful lines in front of him in Detroit).
September 23rd, 2009 at 12:20 am
I could not believe my eyes when I got home from work …great work again TBL Godfather!
September 24th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Steve Young dropped “obfuscates” in an interview with a sports blog. I need to go check a dictionary.