Should Sports Editors Forbid Their Writers From Helping ESPN Essentially Kill Newspapers?
ESPN, Media Gossip/Musings September 30th. 2009, 11:45am
It has been well-documented in recent months that ESPN is making a push into regional markets with websites like ESPNChicago, ESPNBoston and this week, ESPNDallas. According to Fox Business, “The push by ESPN is aimed at leveraging the company’s global name recognition into new ad dollars at the still-growing local level.” This is already working in Chicago. The Boston Globe, perhaps nervous, is fighting back. Is the next logical move for sports editors to forbid their “star” columnists and beat writers from helping ESPN essentially kill newspapers?
Here’s what the New York Times had to say this week:
You can very easily envision a scenario in which ESPN comes to town, cherry-picks the top columnist and a few beat writers and quickly ends the seance between local newspapers and rabid sports fans.
The arrogance of newspapers is galling. For years, they have let their biggest names – for instance, Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon of the Washington Post, Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe, Bill Plaschke and J.A. Adande at the LA Times, Stephen A. Smith when he wrote for the Philadelphia Inquirer, etc – appear on ESPN TV shows and radio shows in the name of “exposure” for the paper. In theory, this was supposed to somehow help with the branding of newspapers, but there is zero proof that it has had an impact. If anything, ESPN has helped make some of these writers national “stars” and in some cases, they have done less for their newspaper (Wilbon), or left it altogether (Kornheiser, Adande, Smith).
(Ironically, within the last 18 months, ESPN decided to forbid its “talent” from appearing on any non-ESPN radio shows.)
But now that ESPN is penetrating regional and local markets and going directly after advertising money that newspapers have been hemorrhaging for years, isn’t it time for editors to see ESPN as a legitimate, local, rival?
According to an ESPN spokesman, ESPNLos Angeles and ESPNNew York are on the horizon. It won’t be difficult for ESPNLos Angeles to have an impact when it comes to the Lakers, USC, and MLB. In addition, Bill Simmons is LA-based. Adande could be their lead columnist. When the site goes live, will the LA Times impress its readers and politely ask Bill Plaschke to give up his Around the Horn gig? Should the Dallas Morning News have asked that of Tim Cowlishaw? We pay this guy handsomely, and you’ll only find his opinion in our paper and on our website.
ESPNNew York will be more of a challenge because print media remains strong in and around Manhattan. ESPN is obviously aware of this, and knows it would need a splashy hire to generate some publicity. We have heard a rumor from two media sources that Mike Lupica has been targeted to help bolster the website’s arrival. (When asked about potential hires recently, ESPN said it was not making a move on anyone; we did not reach out to Lupica.)
If you’re the type to look ahead, type in a ESPN followed by any major city in the United States. See what you get.
For all the bad decisions newspaper sports sections have made over the years, not helping ESPN could be a step in the right direction. What sports editor is willing to step up and try this?
Does ESPN Mean R.I.P for Newspapers? (Fox Business)
Some tidbits on ESPN.com/newspaper threat, Don Ohlmeyer and Pat Forde (Walter Cronkite School of Journalism)
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September 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Is it a given that the decision to let their writers go on ESPN hurts the newspapers in most cases? I’d imagine Wilbon and Kornheiser have wider audiences at the Washington Post now due to PTI.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Gee, I thought it was those darn bloggers with their uppity Internet that were destroying newspapers.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am
TK has been gone from the WP for quite some time. Wilbon appears more on ESPN/ABC for NBA/PTI than he writes in the WP.
It is subjective, of course, but I dont think people see Mike Wilbon and think “Washington Post.”
September 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am
ESPN coming to your town is to be distrusted heavily, as all roads for that massive sewage outfit lead to shitty-ass Bristol and all the fuckin’ douchebags, bojacks, snoots, and ninnies burrowing all through yet another dumpy-ass East Coast area.
When they come to your town give ‘em hell I say, but no need to be creepy and peep EA and the like even after perhaps you have gawked for weeks at regular postings about her on websites like TBL.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am
I would love an ESPNaltanta, but I know that is never going to happen.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am
ESPN gets tons of shit on this site, but this has to be one of the most savvy business moves I’ve seen in awhile. The systematic monopolization of all local sports, and ESPN may pull it off. ESPN New York would not be difficult at all, it would just take a little longer. I bet Lupica would love to be the featured sports columnists for ESPN NY but he is having too much fun writing about politics for the Daily News.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
That sounds like a recipe for disaster. All it needs is Mariotti and we’ve got total Armageddon.
I really doubt these sports editors will step up and tell their talent to stop. The only people they could actually get to comply would be new columnists. The people like Cowlishaw, Jackie Mac, Woody Paige etc. are of the age where they are not dependent on their salary from the paper.
They have enough experience to go out and get another gig until they retire.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Why wouldn’t it happen? ESPN has that new deal with the SEC, and Georgia is always good. The city has the Hawks and Braves and Falcons. There’s Georgia Tech, which is occasionally near the top of the ACC in fb and bb.
I’d say Atlanta is ripe for the picking down the road.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I would be shocked if that wasn’t done before the end of the year. I think of all the places primed for sports revenue, that would be number one.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
High Five Jason!!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I think Lupica would have a tough time dialing down some of his content for something that is Disney owned. The Daily News pretty much lets him write whatever he wants. ESPN would put the kibosh on a few of his pieces.
Could Lupica live under an umbrella that had much editorial control over his content? Could his ego handle that?
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
ESPN Boston plucked Mike Reiss from the Globe. Reiss is hands-down the best Patriots beat guy, and his blog was a must-read for die-hards. Now I begrudgingly go to ESPN Boston to read his blog, while boston.com (Globe’s stie) has fallen in my rotation.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Jersey have you joined the likes of that right-wing fuckjob Mike NYC in believing that “systematic monopolisation” is a GOOD thing in any context?
And I guess you are the first and only Mike Lupica fan I have run into on this site as well?
Please clarify and hope you will enjoy your new BMW and get rid of it before the maintenance curve hits absolutely hard after 50K miles.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:59 am
The Braves and Falcons just don’t have a rabid fan base like other pro teams do. The AJC is struggling though and rumor has it that they are about a year away from being online only. I would kill to work for an ESPNatlanta, but I’m not sure it would make the kind of $$ ESPN would want. I would apply 100x a day if it happens though.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Yep. The opportunity to capitalize on the college football market by itself is enough to justify doing it.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Agree.
But you’ve gotta think that Ted Turner would have something to say about this. Honestly, the guy has owned most of Altanta for like 45 years. There’s a market presence in that city that isn’t just a newspaper. ESPNAtlanta would have no problem knocking out the AJC and maybe even bringing a name like Barnhart on.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Hey but Gods, according to you with your love of the Atlanta Journal and Constition SEC and GTech homering sports section, why would you need it down there in Blandlanta? Having second thoughts about your lame-ass town?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I thought there was an ESPNLA already.
I’d say the next ones are ESPNMiami (Dolphins, Heat, The U, Marlins, Panthers), ESPNHouston (Astros, Texans, Rockets, UT, UH, Rice baseball, Baylor, Dynamo) or ESPNSanFrancisco (which could pick up both the Frisco and Oakland teams)
September 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Imagine if they could put Barnhart on the .com, and lock him up for TV as well. He kills just about everybody they have writing CFB, Schlabach included.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Cowlishaw is one of my fave guests on ATH
September 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Agreed here …and notice akin to Daniel “Dick” Snyder in Metro DC, no one says in offline publications anything critical of Ted Turner in Atlanta even with all their Bible-beating down there and the fact that he is an atheist. Most Bible-beatin’ types stop when there bread is no longer buttered for that matter, and no where have I seen more of them than Atlanta.
This message brought to you by Big Tobacco and the hypocritical people of North Carolina.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
When asked about potential hires recently, ESPN said it was not making a move on anyone; we did not reach DOWN to Lupica
(whispers:) “He’s kinda short, you know”
September 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
You’ve obviously never read the AJC.
15 years ago, yeah. Now? Not so much. It’s a Cox Communication town as far as media goes.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I like Tony B., but Pat Forde (even though he’s ESPN) is still my favorite college football writer.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I would love an ESPNaltanta, but I know that is never going to happen.
I would only read it if they hired Hominy and Grits from 1st take
September 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Yes. He loves being the center of attention more than his writing. He often uses his writing as a vehicle to garner attention. I hate him for this as a human being, but again, I grew up reading the guy. When he wasn;t so full of himself, he put foot to ass with his sports columns.
Paolo. I’m to the right, but not that far. I believe in big business that hires the right people. And bmw looks like its going to have to wait. Bills are piling up for my sister’s education. Sucks.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
No sir. I love Atlanta and the thought of covering ATL sports for ESPN would be a dream come true for me. The AJC sports section is pretty solid (the best aspect of the paper), but I don’t think it could (or would try to) compete with ESPN.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
the newspapers were shortsighted enough, and broke enough, where they couldn’t spend the funds to come up with better online content.
ESPN is incredibly smart, and i’ve increased their pageviews by going to espnboston for Mike Reiss’s blog.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
This is a great Idea. Why not have bloggers replace the assholes on Around the Horn.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
This is the future of news/information dissemination. Gone are the days of the “department store” style newspapers that have little bits of everything and in are the very focused “boutique” papers/sites. People will pay (and pay more) for the type and depth of covereage they want, they just won’t pay enough to support parts of the organization they don’t care about.
Newspapers need to get on board with this.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
hopefully dan shaugnessy rots with the globe.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
+1 JPQ
Lupica is a solid, frenetic, constipated East Coast windbag who should have been put to pasture 15 years ago, but damn don’t they love him on the East Coast …
/Brought To You By The New Yorkers Who Love Mike Francesa Almost 20 Years Post CBS Sports
September 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Barnhart’s got way better connections though.
That’s not only racist, that’s redundant.
/you’re in tha dooooooooooooogggggg hooooouuuusssse
September 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Otherwise +0.5 Tampa all the same.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I would only read it if they hired Hominy and Grits from 1st take
That’s not only racist, that’s redundant.
/you’re in tha dooooooooooooogggggg hooooouuuusssse
What about Matzah and Meatball in the Morning?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Here’s a question though:
How long before ESPN starts charging for content on these local sites? Will you need to purchase an “Insider” for your local market to access certain columnists?
I think it would be a long ways out, but I could definitely see them doing something like that after they’ve been in a certain market for about 2-3 years.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Those two piss me off. They aren’t insightful nor are they funny.
In terms of actual writing, I would choose Forde, but for insightful nuggets of info I would take Tony. Forde’s column (Forde Yard Dash) is a must read for me and his chats are great too. If only he didn’t go to missouri. The arrogance of J-school grads from Missou is through the roof.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
i thought mariotti had the “everything sucks” angle covered. imagine 4 mariottis.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
If you want to see where ESPN will try to take over next just look at the most circulated newspapers. If a city falls in the Top 20 they will probably be moved in on.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I am their bitch. I hate watching them with every fiber of my being. But I wake up at 5:45 and they talk sports. So they win. Fuckers.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Mariotti doesn’t think Jon kitna sucks.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Oh yes I did when I lived there 1997-2000 …it was the only game in town and it was so fuckin’ lame. And don’t even try to make the case that it has improved whilst other newspapers have only gone downhill younglefty.
You jus’ keep readin’ that AJC piece of soiled TP down there though because you always leave the dance with the one that brot ya and all that good old-Southern friend high hard bullshit. Try to wipe yourself more with it too perhaps.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Same here. It’s either them or Fox and Friends. They win about 60% of the time.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
What about Matzah and Meatball in the Morning?
I am their bitch. I hate watching them with every fiber of my being. But I wake up at 5:45 and they talk sports. So they win. Fuckers.
Jersey: they had me for years, but I can’t take them at all anyone. I do Morning Joe on MSNBC for the most part, w/ an ESPN switch at commercials if I’m actually watching and paying attention
September 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
You know, somedays I just can’t take Paolo and skip a thread when he shows up. Sadly, this is happening more and more often. If he continues, I may start taking long absences from this website.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
My point was that the AJC never homers for GT. Ever. UGA? Absolutely. Positive GT coverage is non-existent.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
He prefers the reach-around. Ask Mitch Albom.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
With my schedule now, I actually only catch the final 30 minutes of them so it’s not that bad. I used to listen to them all the time when I had to take the train to work though.
Now, I get 30 minutes of them, then Waddle and Silvy starts here instead of Cowherd. I listen to both.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
+1 Souvenir
Souvenir, you are one of too few on here who really add original non-homered content.
TBL Godfather and Consigliere JPQ find more like him, Cap Rooney, Tampa, Jimmy, and a few others.
Bingo! ESPN would behave a la Microsoft, who tried and failed miserably to control and monetise internet content as well. Mike NYC is probably a shareholder in the enterprise of course, as akin to a typical greedy-ass Wall Streeter “systematic monopolisation is good of course.” Jersey in the house too or am I mistaken?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
St Bear: I skip Onion Bag and hoops posts 90% of the time. That’s a lot less visits for me also (especially for the next 9 months)
/we all have our pet peeves
September 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I have had the same exact experience.. I tried to keep reading the Globe’s Patriots blog that they renamed Extra Points, but they dont update it nearly as often and seems to have less substance, like the story of “did Brady snub Suzy Kolber?!” instead of actualy game breakdown and analysis. F you, Globe.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
+1 JPQ
Funniest line of the week if not month!
September 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I don’t know how anyone can watch that show and not want to slit their wrists. Not even so much for how right-leaning they are, but for how annoying they are.
A classic Paolo anti-South diatribe.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Perhaps it’s because I’m a fan of 349 teams?
/beat everyone else to the punch
FYI – I’m a total Big Ten homer and Iowa homer.
/ducks
September 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
That’s because the Indian and Pakistani population is so small in Atlanta.
ZING!!
September 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
ESPN Albuquerque…nope didnt get anything
September 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
It’s because what’s her name is nice to look at, Steve Doocey is funny, and they have Dave Ramsey on a lot, who is awesome. Like I said though, that’s only on about 40% of the time.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
ESPN’s move is savvy here and it is the future of journalism. The everyday print model is not dying. It’s dead. There’s no way that is ever going to be profitable.
Newspapers are going to survive by going multimedia and partnering with TV and Radio, which are more profitable but depend on the content. That’s what ESPN is doing, and they aren’t saddled with local infrastructure. It’s going to work out tremendously.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
i used to listen to them all the time on the ride to work, however, i started actually getting bothered by them and switched to fox sports radio in the AM. not the best sports talk, but it’s easy to just put on and zone out to without getting angry hours earlier than required.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Well said. I was talking to an AJC reporter and he said it is simply not feasible to pay to have a paper printed and shipped anymore and he’s exactly right.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Me too Jersey, but never have so few done this even more than back in the 1980s …it was never about hiring the best people …big business in large part hires whom they can control …Microsoft and a few other firms, as highlighted in the now dated book “Good To Great” from 2000, were exceptions who shined due to prudent business practices that put business growth first before personal and political agendas.
Most big businesses are run more like sociali$t or fasci$t regimes, which to me despite my distaste is still their private right except when they are PUBLICLY held or take public funding of any kind as for contracts.
The structure of “PUBLIC” ownership has never in my mind accounted for the true interests of the PUBLIC who fund it instead of political window dressing.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
As far as editors challenging their people to stay at ESPN, they can’t. The money is too big. Plaschke would make more money doing ATH and writing for a website than he would just working for the LA Times. They will lose all their big names.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Don’t fall out of your desk chair on your way out, and don’t let the door hit you either.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
you talkin czaban on fox? he’s the best. THE BEST!!!
September 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Some of the other Philly types that post here may disagree, but I just don’t see it in Philly, despite the recent successes of ESPN 950 AM (Mike Miss just overtook WIP’s drive time guy in the ratings, I think).
With the presence of Comcast, who already has a partnership with the Philly Daily News, I just don’t think ESPN is going to get into the conversation. With everything they own (the teams, the cable system), Comcast might be a bit too big for ESPN to take on right now.
That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like to see ESPN attempt it, though.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Who wants to break down the difference between public (gov’t) funding, and being publicly held for Pauly here?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
@Spence: yeah, talkin’ ’bout Czaban. most of my commute is when they play a “Game” and they read people’s emails, texts, or air a few callers, but i don’t think i’ve ever gotten angry, or bothered by the content/personalities the way i do with ESPN radio.
commercial breaks a little long for me, and i’ve started to think the meth addiction commercials are funny, even though they aren’t.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Thanks for clarifying your position on the AJC Gods with your classic Southern sugar-coating instead of just admitting that it’s the only game in town and it sucks.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
You know, somedays I just can’t take Paolo
I have made my peace with Paolo’s presence. Not with Paolo himself, just the fact that he’s not going anywhere. Because he’s not going anywhere, TBL likes him.
And if you could get kicked off of here for repeated hyperbolic personal attacks, I’d be gone too. If you could get kicked off of here for rambling incoherence, there’d be a whole shitload of us gone.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
wilhelm…yea, the commercials have become a tad ridiculous. when i first started listening to them, they were much shorter. kinda shitty now that they’re doing the mike and mike, 10 minutes of content, 10 minutes of commercial thing.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Always here to help.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Atlanta is by far the largest College Football town in America and that alone makes ESPNAtlanta.com an inevitability.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Atlanta is by far the largest College Football town in America
And it’s capitol.
/lefty’d
September 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
+0.5 Duffy
You overlook however that as usual there is always an unexpected competitor who even in the shambles of what has been misnomered “capitali$m” will seize this opportunity.
Get with TBL Godfather on The Mission, and hopefully you can get back to your fine pieces on football instead of your typical slamming of anything that is not
Your Lover Tate Forcier
Michigan
High Horses, Both Local To NYC And Cross Country In Your Stable
Arsenal
New York
London except Chelsea (great piece to slam it the other day!)
Your Metrosexual And Gay Fashion Sense
September 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
i never understood this claim. you guys have GT…so what?
September 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
yeah, friday’s are nice when they have the leinenkugel brothers on, commercials are shorter in that segment.
last time i listened to mike and mike it was something like 7 minutes of air time, 90 seconds sportscenter and 10 minutes of commercials, then back to the studio for 3 minutes, 2 more minutes of commercials, then they started the cycle again.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I’d love it (provided they hired me of course).
September 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I don’t think I’d be very excited for an ESPN-Minneapolis or ESPN-TwinCities.
September 30th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
The passion for college football in this city overwhelms that of the other big cities in the country. It’s not that the team here is that popular. It’s that EVERY team here is popular. The SEC fan bases are larger and more rabid across the board than any other city in the South and any team worth following has fans packing bars to watch their teams play. Doesn’t matter who: Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma etc. Metro Atlanta has 5 million people in it, you aren’t going to find any bigger metro area this passionate about college football.
You also have to consider it’s one of the only big cities actively embracing the sport as a whole (The Chik-fil-a Kick off game, CFB Hall of fame)
September 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
ATLDan – I agree with you, as does GotG, but this isn’t an argument worth having. All you’re going to get is a bunch of people that say “Atlanta? Get out of here with that” without offering an opinion of their own.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I can’t wait for the Hall to be built. I was pumped when I heard it was coming to ATL.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
+0.5 ATL Dan
ATLDan is right on …the social scene is comprised of SEC/Frat cliques of sorts especially during football season. Atlanta is SEC and college football central even though all they have is Georgia Tech in town and Georgia about an hour away. If you did not go to some SEC school or were not part of a frat, it is very hard to find your way into a scene in Blandlanta.
By contrast you have similar-sized cites of Metro Washington DC and Metro Philadelphia where again SEC means to more folks something about the fuckin’ stock market than it does football. College football fans other than Penn State and Virginia Tech alums are few and far between, and amongst the latter in Metro DC they are even fewer and far more fair weather and lame I found.
State Penn folks are delusional about their team every year including especially this year yet again, but at least they are loyal through mostly suck and suckier since 1994. Eat that Roeth.
Not those lame VT fans. Eat that CGB.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Atlanta oozes college football, what with that one team being there, and the other team begin 90 miles away, and also they have radios, so they can get games that are even further away.
The argument is a no brainer.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Game, SEC Championship, largest paying non-BCS bowl game in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, and now the College Football Hall of Fame. I’d love to hear the resume of your choice.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
September 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I just like fucking with you about this one Lefty, because you honestly so seldom have your hackles up. On this subject, you’re a goddamned dynamo.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I do agree that it is probably a smart move for papers to not allow people on ESPN, but why not stop there. The same logic should be used for all other media outlets. They want exclusive content for their paper? Then make their staff exclusive. Papers are floundering, and need to do someting
September 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Zero under the age of about 45
Few over the age of 50 who have figured out by now only in 2009 that you can read your news online and that a newspaper is and has always been a propaganda and bullshit medium.
/Yahoo RSS’ing since 2001
//Don’t Brag To Me About How ‘Advanced’ You Are Beyond Yahoo! RSS Either If You Are A Frenetic Twittering iPod Techie Douchebag With ADD And Constipation
September 30th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
+1 Dirt
Welcome.
“Freedom Rings Where Opinions Clash”
-Adlai Stevenson
September 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
this doesn’t mean i’m your friend Paolo. And you can keep that disgusting point. Those things give me the willies.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Dirtheavy, I like your new Re-Run icon … did you choose it in honour of Darrell’s common views?
It is so telling still how so many folks who claim not to cling to race biases in fact do no matter what their backgrounds. For example ever since Rush Limbaugh no “white” dude on TV can slam a black quarterback on performance, unlike that idiot Rush, for fear of being accused of being an asshole and racist like Limbaugh.
I did not think Darrell supported Campbell on here out of some race bias, but I doubt Darrell would slam any of the following quarterbacks when they suck as usual either.
JaMarcus Russell
Jason Campbell
Byron Leftwich
Historic And Too Much Time For A Short Time In The NFL Who Should Have Been Slammed Harder
Akili Smith
Tony Banks
Spurgeon Wynn
Mind you I am one of the few who thought and still thinks Seneca Wallace has his best days ahead of him, and Henry Burris in the CFL in Calgary (hear me out the only other CFL fan on this site Garland Greene) is awesome there and would be in the NFL too.
Also noteworthy is that a losing quarterback with great stats even consistently does not a great quarterback make no matter what background, so sticking up for Campbell on the part of TBL in the first place was just plain East-Coast bias and silly.
And of course here in Philly great things are to come for Michael Vick!
/How About Not Discussing An Athlete’s Race Or Ethnicity At All?
September 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
No offer of friendship ever given only an acknowledgement of the truth of your comment.
Okay I’ll take the point back and re-distribute it to charity.
+1 Brock
Now go take another serious dump to try and get rid of your willies.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
TBL, it’s not just sports sections, I’m sure you know. It’s newspapers as a whole. Publishers are morons. Editors don’t get it. Arrogance=death.
September 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
+2 NDub
/ Mission Ruled
// High Commissioned On The Mission
/// The Mission Rules!
September 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Uh, Henry Burris has been in the NFL already, with the Bears. And he wasn’t good enough to beat out…well, whichever shitty QB they had then. Jim Miller, maybe?
September 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
lupica would make plenty not read espnny
October 1st, 2009 at 1:51 am
Thanks for the clarification …sometimes a la Warren Moon or Jeff Garcia or Doug Flutie, CFL playing experience makes for grand improvement for the NFL with the right pass-heavy offense …of course Burris would have sucked for Chicago’s heavy ball control schemes and the like.
Ricky Ray and Henry Burris are ripe for the NFL, and Ray was with the NY Jets for awhile but did not play as far as I know.
I pick also Arkee Whitlock at RB.
At WR you have Paris Jackson, who won’t leave the CFL with good reason, and Arland Bruce III who would not be getting the ball as much in the NFL.
And who could forget historic greats like Damon Allen and Milt Stegall, who damn well could have played in the NFL but probably would have been only average players at best.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:59 am
Wilbon has said (or all but said) that ESPN is now his main employer and the Post is his secondary one. Presumably, if ESPN told him to go to A and the Post wanted him to go to B, he would go to B. He’s arguably the Post’s number one columnist (with no TK) and he doesn’t go to every Redskins game, partially because he needs to be in City X on MOnday to do live PTI from the MNF gamesite.