Joe Mauer and the Art of Sign Stealing Gamesmanship
Baseball, Video October 1st. 2009, 9:15amJoe Mauer, the Minnesota Twins star catcher and popular pick to win AL MVP this season, was on 2nd base Tuesday night in a pivotal late season game against the Detroit Tigers. A crafty fan noticed that Mauer was stealing signs from the Tigers in an attempt to help out his teammate, Jason Kubel, and created the video you see here. We passed the video along to an MLB scout this morning to get his take on the gamesmanship.
First off, the scout made it clear that this sort of thing happens regularly – and will happen increasingly in the postseason – and is not really that big of a deal. (Still, he is just as curious as we are about whether or not ESPN blows this up into a story today.) He also added that the “good players don’t want to be tipped to what might be coming. It is a double-edged sword – yeah, it could help, but if you get the wrong sign, the batter will have no chance at the plate.”
The big thing the scout noticed in this video is that Mauer isn’t tipping what type of pitch is coming, but rather location.
1st pitch – Joe Mauer touches his ear hole. Youtube guy thinks that means curveball. Pitch comes down the middle. Fouled back.
2nd pitch – Joe Mauer touches his ear hole. Youtube guy thinks that means curveball. Pitch comes down the middle. Announcers call it a breaking pitch. Kubel takes for a strike.
3rd pitch – No sign from Mauer, as the catcher had changed up his signal. Pitch comes in the dirt inside. Announcers call it a curveball. Was it a slider?
4th pitch – Joe Mauer touches his face. Pitch comes inside. Announcers call it a 99-mph fastball.
5th pitch – No sign from Mauer. Pitch (slider?) comes low. Kubel fouls it off.
6th pitch – No sign from Mauer, as the catcher yet again changed up his signal. Breaking pitch just misses outside.
7th pitch – No sign from Mauer, as the catcher yet again changed up his signal. The fastball is hit deep to center, deep enough for a run to score.
To us, the most interesting aspect of this is the cat-and-mouse game between the Tigers catcher Gerald Laird and Mauer. Once Laird knows Mauer is trying to help Kubel, he instantly begins to change his signals (by either touching his facemask, or his knee pad, or pounding his glove, or his shoulder, whatever.
And no, we don’t think this video will do any damage to Mauer’s MVP candidacy.
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October 1st, 2009 at 9:18 am
Derek Jeter should totally win MVP now.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:21 am
+1 crafty fan
October 1st, 2009 at 9:22 am
If this is a cat and mouse game, Gerald Laird is clearly the cat and Mauer is the mouse.
I think this kind of thing is cool as hell to see. I love the fact that Laird picked up on it immediately. I further love the fact that the Tigers won that game and won again last night against Pavano.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:23 am
Once again the value of a solid, veteran catcher goes up.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:24 am
How is this a story? It’s te reason baseball has signs to begin with. It’s also the reason the catcher is taught to tuck his signs deep into his crotch and the reason the catcher usually gives a series of signs with indicators when a runner is on second. This has been going on since oh about Little League.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:25 am
That’s really kinda cool. I wonder how many other catchers would pick that up that quick? Then again, Mauer was being pretty lazily blatant about it.
I wish I could bet on things like “This will sway at least 10 old crusty writers to vote for Jeter” and “If Jeter were caught doing this, NYC would fall over itself making excuses for him.”
October 1st, 2009 at 9:31 am
agreed: Very cool. I imagine many folks will be looking for this in the postseason.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:32 am
Holds it. Holds it! HOLDS IT! HOLDS IT!
/simpsons
October 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am
This is why I love baseball…so much happening in the game between every pitch. @s1rweeze: I think you would get some pretty good odds on those scenarios.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am
So earhole means pitch is coming down the middle? Or earhole means breaking ball? Face means inside? Or face means fastball? Seems difficult to pick this up. Also, if Laird was really onto him, he would have just called time and went to the mound to tell him what pitch to throw, or change up the sign sequence.
Seems like there is a lot going on, and no one really has the clear edge. Hence, a lot of players don’t like getting signs. Too much can go wrong.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am
Tipping pitches has been part of the game for years. Most of us watch games and don’t even think about what the guy on second is signaling or what the catcher is doing. Sometimes we get the close up shot of the catcher flashing a sign or manager rubbing his arm and touching his chest then nose, but we don’t know what the hell it means. Videos like this are cool to see because it does add some analysis. Bravo.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:36 am
FYI – That does seem like a plausible thing to do, but I disagree in this case. Verlander works very quickly and Laird probably didn’t want to break him out of the groove. He and JV are both veterans, so signs were a good way to take care of it.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:36 am
Verlander should have charged 2nd base.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:36 am
Are some of you new to baseball? This happens at every level, every game (and there are a lot of games).
In the NBA, teams know every play and every call.
In football, defenses often show their hands and centers/qb’s call it out and sometimes change accordingly (often referred to as an “audible.”
Sports are so interesting!
October 1st, 2009 at 9:37 am
This has been happening for at least, oh, 58 years
October 1st, 2009 at 9:37 am
cool post.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:39 am
Mauer could have been bluffing the whole thing just to f with the manager
October 1st, 2009 at 9:39 am
wasn’t it the Giants in the 40’s or 50’s who had someone sit in the bleachers with binoculars and a mirror to tip the pitches to the batter? it’s funny, i hear people talk about this with a chuckle, then their face turns purple when a player takes steroids.
double standard almost makes me hate baseball.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:39 am
Yes we all know it has been happening for a very long time, and is often, and isn’t a big deal, but it is still cool to see a video on it, hear a scouts take on it, and talk about it.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:40 am
This is despicable! He should be suspended 50 games and thrown out of baseball!
/Bayliss’d
October 1st, 2009 at 9:40 am
In H.S. we had a kid on 2nd base stealing signs. Instead of being coy about it and signing to the batter, he yelled FASTBALL! The batter belted it to straight away center for a HR. Pretty funny, the pitcher didn’t even throw at the kid who yelled it the next time he was up.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:41 am
wilhelm. read my link. It’s the 1951 Giants
October 1st, 2009 at 9:44 am
Maybe we can get a scout on to talk about why you never make the first or third out at 3rd base and see if that gets as many oooooossss and aaahhhhhss.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:45 am
@jpq: yeah, your post when up when i was typing mine.
/my thunder was stolen
October 1st, 2009 at 9:45 am
FOUND: Atlanta Braves fan.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:45 am
Nine years in the making.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:46 am
Speaking of Bayliss, I guess yesterday on Cold Pizza he said that Grienke shouldn’t win the Cy Young award because he pitches in the AL Central. He said Verlander should win it.
Mindsplodededed
October 1st, 2009 at 9:48 am
Oddly enough, not a lot of footage from LeBron’s junior year title flop!
October 1st, 2009 at 9:48 am
bayliss also has said that lance armstrong isn’t that great of an athlete and his tour de france victories aren’t that impressive b/c it’s not a “ball sport”. he said it with such a straight face, and it was national TV, so i don’t think he was making a testicular cancer joke, i think he actually thought a guy like john kruk and ted washington were better athletes than lance armstrong.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:49 am
Atlanta Braves fan? Guilty.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:50 am
When Mauer wipes his forehead, he’s saying hi to Jeff Hornacek.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:53 am
HA! Where the fuck do you come up with this shit?!
October 1st, 2009 at 9:53 am
hah! he did that every ft in the kobe bryant nintendo game
October 1st, 2009 at 9:54 am
I don’t understand how this is remotely considered cheating.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:54 am
Laird cannot just go out to the mound and tell JV to ‘throw the heat’ or throw the curve. He needs to put down the signs so the defense knows what is coming and can properly position themselves. If JV is throwing 99 mph fastball away, they have to shade towards the opposite field, if he is throwing a curve, then shade towards the pull field…etc.
The speed and location is important to more than just the pitcher and catcher.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:56 am
BTW – it is not cheating.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:58 am
Bravo to Mauer for doing what he can to help his teammate. I love Cuddyer looking toward second base from the on deck circle to see what pitch Mauer is tipping. Cool video.
That being said, Verlander still won the game. Go Tigers.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:58 am
they do all this in the 1 second they have, all while not tipping off the hitter by moving?
October 1st, 2009 at 9:59 am
The catcher should have just said “How’s your wife and my kids?” as the pitch is delivered and he would have hit a popup.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:59 am
@ Chelsea, then change the sign sequence.
Maybe we can get a scout on to talk about why you never make the first or third out at 3rd base and see if that gets as many oooooossss and aaahhhhhss.
You don’t make the first out because you can score the runner from second without getting a hit. You don’t make the third out because you still need a hit to score the runner (which you would also need if he was on second). The only advantage is a pass ball/wild pitch, which doesn’t happen as often in the pros.
October 1st, 2009 at 9:59 am
was it in another zip code?
October 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am
That just made me laugh in the middle of my class. Totally worth the evil eye from the prof. I always enjoy a 90s basketball reference.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:01 am
This situation is completely different than having someone sit in the stands relaying signs.
To try and compare the two is completely idiotic.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:01 am
Damn – rough morning. The actual joke should read “Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I’m sure he’s a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?”
October 1st, 2009 at 10:03 am
yeah you quoted the scumbag hitter not taylor
October 1st, 2009 at 10:03 am
Laird did. Three times.
Also, that making the final out at third reference was from a Braves fan who watched his team do that in the bottom of the 9th last night.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:03 am
No, it’s just something baseball players did when the game was simpler/pure (white).
/Sports Columnists
October 1st, 2009 at 10:04 am
@ Roethlishotdog: +1 Jake Taylor jersey.
Great video, good way to start my day. There’s a beauty to the small details of baseball; often times overlooked by all of us. This video did a great job of capturing one of them.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:04 am
I had a guy tip a pitch to me, and instead of touching his helmet for curveball, he was jumping up and down, and waving the number 2 on each hand. Didn’t help. Swung right over top of the hammer.
/I hit straight ball very good, not so good curve ball
October 1st, 2009 at 10:05 am
BTW – it is not cheating.
then they’re not trying
October 1st, 2009 at 10:05 am
LOL
October 1st, 2009 at 10:07 am
This shit happens every game on some level. When someone does it from the stands, it is cheating, but on the field as a base runner,it is part of the game.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:07 am
Duder – Yes
die_eagles – Of course that is what they would do and I think they did change the sequence.
Spencer – I love it that we’re talking about the Tigers playing baseball and not the sorry Indians firing the manager. Maybe they can hire Tressel.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:07 am
And as far as the “was Mauer cheating” discussion goes, even Tim McCarver will tell you that you play the game to win the game, whatever it takes.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am
you that you play the game to win the game
I thought Herm Edwards said that.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:10 am
that would be stupid hes a football coach
October 1st, 2009 at 10:15 am
Um this happens all the time every game. I did shit like this in high school.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:17 am
@ KC: Yeah that phrase did come from Herman’s Head (I bet Bill Simmons steals that from me), but I was just saying that even someone with as limited baseball knowledge as Tim McCarver (bless his heart) knows that you do what it takes to get to October.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:20 am
Q: Who hit the foul pop that was caught by Bill Freehan to close the 1968 World Series and secure the Tigers victory over the Cardinals?
A: Tim McCarver…
and he did not run it out.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:27 am
Better question. Why would you run on a foul ball
October 1st, 2009 at 10:34 am
Because if you suck at hitting, how else can you get your uniform dirty if you don’t slide headfirst into 1st base?
October 1st, 2009 at 10:35 am
It isn’t a foul ball until it is touched in foul territory. You run because you don’t know what is going to happen.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am
the case of the diappearing post
October 1st, 2009 at 10:58 am
Nick Punto!!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 11:01 am
Sorry I meant that I didn’t want a dumb answer
October 1st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Bingo. Laird wasn’t onto it at all. If he was he would have went right to the mound. Told Verlander they were mixing signs or they would have went to the 3rd base coach way of putting signs down. Also Mauer knew the Tigers were going on first or second signal. Which is why on some of those Verlander went quick because he just threw it after the first sign went down.
Very cool to watch. Also Mark Reynolds did this last week and put both hands on his helmet to signify something and Chad Tracy hit a grand slam.
If Verlander and Laird were truly pissed then Mauer would have gotten a 99 mph heater in the back next time up.
October 1st, 2009 at 11:17 am
Love it.
Do people really think that is a ding against Mauer?
Signs are unnecessary–yet necessary–to play sports. Did that make sense? Theoretically, a pitcher/catcher could throw whatever. A QB or LB could walk over to the sideline (I know there’s helmet communication now). So to ’steal’ them is not cheating.
When the Pats held up two grease boards against the Jets, it was to prevent sign stealing of course. When the Jets had three guys give hand signals in the ‘Spygate’ videos it was to prevent sign stealing, of course. When a runner is on second, you give indicators to prevent cheating of course.
Are old sportswriters really going to pontificate about this? I actually think they’d shower him with praise.
October 1st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Bingo. Laird wasn’t onto it at all. If he was he would have went right to the mound. Told Verlander they were mixing signs or they would have went to the 3rd base coach way of putting signs down. Also Mauer knew the Tigers were going on first or second signal. Which is why on some of those Verlander went quick because he just threw it after the first sign went down.
Laird changed the sign sequence three times. Didn’t you see him put his hands up, or roll them as if to signal a change? Verlander also goes quick because that’s how he works. He rarely shakes Laird.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Please understand in not being a baseball fan, I don’t see what the big deal is compared to other sports where such antics are known as “reads” and the like …if not in the rules as explicitly outlawed, and it takes place only on the field/pitch/court/ice/etc, all is fair I say.
Why should veteran smarts be discredited?