NFL Ruminations: Announcers Love Favre, Biggest QB Bust This Decade, and the 2010 NFL Draft
NFL October 12th. 2009, 9:15am
While taking in the fourth quarter of the Giants rout of the hapless Raiders – for fantasy football purposes, only – the announcers noted that the game had devolved into a battle of No. 1 draft picks: David Carr (2002) and JaMarcus Russell (2007). Which one of those guys was the worst QB drafted No. 1 overall this decade? Or should San Francisco bust Alex Smith (2005) be in the discussion?
The Case Against Carr: Taken No. 1 2002, Carr never had a winning season in five years in Houston. In his defense, he never had a competent offensive line in Houston, and in three of those five years, he was the most-sacked QB in the league. The other two QBs who went in the first round (Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey) accomplished nothing. The best QB from that draft appears to be the 4th rounder, David Garrard. Carr’s rookie deal: 7-years, $46.75 million.
The Case Against Smith: Taken No. 1 in 2005, Smith ’s career has been a disaster. Record: 11-19. TD/INT: 19-31. He’s been injured the last two years and there’s no telling if he’ll ever see the field again in San Francisco. He’s still only 25, so there’s a chance he could latch on somewhere if his agent sells the problems as organizational (he’s had a bazillion different coaches), rather than Smith-related. The 2005 draft wasn’t terrible for QBs: Aaron Rodgers went 24th, Jason Campbell went 25th, Kyle Orton went in the 4th round, Derek Anderson (he did reach the Pro Bowl in 2007) was chosen in the 6th round, and Matt Cassel the 7th. Smith has shown no indication he’ll have a better career than any of those guys. Smith’s rookie deal: 6-years, $49.5 million.
The Case Against Russell: Taken No. 1 in 2007, Russell has been dreadful. He sat most of his rookie year, and then went 5-10 last year. Statistically, JaMarcus Russell is the worst starter in the league this year (by far), completing just 42 percent of his passes (one TD, four INTs, four fumbles lost). But the learning curve on quarterbacks is more than 20 games, so as horrendous as Russell has been, it probably is too early to render a judgment (even if he hasn’t even displayed flashes of mediocrity). None of the other QBs in the ‘07 draft have emerged as stars yet: Brady Quinn’s been below average, Kevin Kolb has looked promising twice in a reserve role, Trent Edwards has been an up-and-down starter, and 7th rounder Tyler Thigpen appears best suited to be a reserve. Here’s what hurts Russell most – besides the fact that the Raiders passed on Adrian Peterson, who went 7th to Minnesota – the LSU Tiger inked a 6-year, $68 million deal with $32 million guaranteed.
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Everybody Loves Brett Favre
Found this exchange during the Lions-Steelers game humorous. Dick Enberg and Dan Fouts (like ‘em both) were talking about the NFC North standings, and Green Bay Minnesota is unbeaten. Gushing over Favre followed. Old men love Favre.
Enberg: What is it about Brett Favre … when the bright lights are on, he is a neon performer!
Fouts: He’d be pretty good in the dark, too!
Enberg: (laughter) Blindfolded, he’d beat ya!
Fouts: Yeah. He’s 40 years old. Amazing.
Enberg: A stunning story that will be replayed in the history books forever.
Lions run for no gain.
Fouts: Getting back to Favre … people asked me in the preseason, ‘Will all this going back and forth, all this retiring, unretiring … will it affect his legacy?’ I said, ‘what, are you kidding? His legacy? He’s a Hall of Famer, 1st ballot.’ He’s got all the records, and he’s still playing top notch at 40-years-old with a first place team!
Enberg … [inaudible] was sort of like a kid on Monday night.
Nary a mention that last year, with the Jets, many folks said the exact same things about Favre when he threw six TD passes in week four to thump the Cardinals. Eager to hear the comments after Favre’s first Decemeber road game.
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Cardiac Cincinnati: Four wins. All narrow results. Cap Rooney will have more on this guys later.
Lost on TD with :11 left left to beat Denver
Won when Green Bay drive stalled at the 10-yard-line with :00 left
Won on TD with :14 left to beat Pittsburgh
Won on FG in OT to beat Cleveland
Won on TD with :22 left to beat Baltimore
Most joyous NFL moment of the weekend: The Bengals presenting defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer with the game ball after the road win over the Ravens. Zimmer’s wife unexpectedly died last week. This photo says it all.
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Worst stat of the Day:
The Oakland Raiders are the first team since 1960 to go four straight games without 200 yards. Good chance this streak reaches six. A somewhat formidable defense goes out to Oakland Sunday; the week after, one of the league’s best defenses, the Jets, visit the Black Hole. The opposite of that Oakland stat – Peyton Manning has opened the season with five straight 300-yard passing games. He’s the third QB in NFL history to accomplish that.
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And finally, the always-fun task of projecting NFL draft picks six months before the draft. Why this week? Because nobody has ever made the playoffs after starting 0-5.
1 Rams – Has to be a QB. Bulger turns 33 in April; his stats have been declining severely sine 2007. Sam Bradford seems to be a lock. The only senior QB worth mentioning is Colt McCoy.
2 Buccaneers – Just drafted a QB. The big question on offense is whether or not to give big bucks to Antonio Bryant or grab an elite WR like Dez Bryant? Instead, we’d help the 3rd worst run defense in the league with either Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh or Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy. Alabama NT Terrence Cody has been quiet this season, but perhaps he dazzles at the combine.
3 Chiefs - Go with a lineman to protect $60 million investment in Cassel? Or a play-making safety to help an awful defense? Tough not to like Tennessee safety Eric Berry.
4 Browns – There will be a clamoring for a QB (Locker?) because the offense is historically terrible. But it’s not like that QB will have any weapons, anyway. With a bevy of draft picks due to trades, go the safe route here: Offensive line. Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung seems to be the highest on everyone’s list. Sets Cleveland up with two tackles for the rest of the decade.
5 Raiders – The only question here is whether or not Al Davis can swallow his pride and admit they wasted $68 million ($32 guaranteed) on JaMarcus Russell. If it were us, we’d go with Jake Locker over Colt McCoy (don’t think Clausen comes out).
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October 12th, 2009 at 9:19 am
And finally, the always-fun task of projecting NFL draft picks six months before the draft
where are the Bills? I hope they get a top 5 pick. Trent Edwards needs to go. pronto. Draft a QB
October 12th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Russell wins it, hands down. Smith had one decent season and Carr may have been a checkdown king, but he at least usually completed 60 percent of his passes. I’m not sure there’s really any comparison here, Russell is by far the worst of the three.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Worst stat of the Day:
How about Derek Anderson going 2-17…AND WINNING!!!
How are the Bills NOT in the top 5? The Browns beat them!
October 12th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Russell was my #1 by far, but then I caught a picture of Alex Smith on the sideline with Magglio’s Merkin pasted to his face, and he’s now in a virtual tie with UnJarmarkable, just on his douchebaggy look.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:25 am
bills have shown they are at least capable of playing with good teams (3 qtrs vs. Saints, had the Pats beat.
browns only showed some fight in rivalry game vs. browns.
also just think the bills have better talent at QB, WR, RB
October 12th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Jamarcus Russell’s situation feels very much self-inflicted, with his hold out last year and his work habits being openly questioned in the media.
I think Carr was just in a bad situation in Houston and never recovered and I think Alex Smith had no business being drafted first that year.
Russell has time to turn it around, but things don’t look good for that to happen right now.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Does last weekend mean we have to start taking both Denver and Cincinnati seriously?
October 12th, 2009 at 9:28 am
SF needed a QB bad that year, but unfortunately there just weren’t any talent-ready college QB’s coming out. Remember – Smith was coming out of Urban’s college style system, just like Tebow will be this year. No one is making that mistake twice.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:30 am
also just think the bills have better talent at QB, WR, RB
RB I’ll give you. But have you seen the QB? The QB is beyond awful. I don’t know how good the WR’s are b/c he doesn’t get them the ball.
I’ll enjoy watching Jets crap down the Bills throat next Sunday.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Da Raiders will take a WR. It’s a lock. History dictates it.
I’m not saying Jamarcus belongs on the field, but the Oakland offense doesn’t even try. Their defense had some spirit to start the game, but that didn’t last long either. They are a pathetic football team. The Giants could have hung 70 on them if they wanted to.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Big Ben continues to put up really nice numbers, and his receivers keep dropping long touchdowns. Mike Wallace this week’s offender.
i love that the Brownies didn’t pull Anderson for Quinn. 2-17, 23 yards, 1 pick. fantastic
October 12th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Edwards isn’t very good but DA is terrible. 2-for-17?
October 12th, 2009 at 9:34 am
I don’t really think you can pick a “winner” in this group. All three had the expectation of being a valuable franchise quarterback for the team that drafted them. None of them will be.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:34 am
To me it is Russell hands down. Smith will probably get another chance somewhere as a backup, but Russell has looked clueless from day one.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:35 am
You gonna post that in every thread, or…
October 12th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Which one of those guys was the worst QB drafted No. 1 overall this decade
Carr
October 12th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Chiefs already have Brandon Albert at LT. And they’ll be picking too high to get an interior lineman. Defense sounds like the way to go.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:40 am
You gonna post that in every thread, or…
thinking about it. if i do it enough, maybe TBL will write a contract the Browns post
October 12th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I thought David Carr had it. I really did. I knew Alex Smith sucked, and that the 49ers were wasting that pick. So did they, though.
As for Russell, that was a terrible draft choice, and everybody at the time knew that was a terrible draft choice. I just went and looked at all the guys they didn’t draft. Pathetic. There’s at least 6 studs taken in the first 14, and they got a lazy loser at #1.
Russell is the worst.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:44 am
The post-game speech in the Bengals’ locker room gave me chills yesterday. I was pulling for Cincy like I would pull for Nebraksa or UGA in that game. Just a sad story. Does anyone know what happened? The only thing I have heard is that he came home and she had already died.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:47 am
They were playing Baltimore – I’m sure Ray Lewis was involved.
/feel terrible for Zimmer
October 12th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I feel bad for asking, but does “die suddenly” mean suicide?
And I think Russell’s the biggest bust. At least it seems like the other guys were trying to be good, but either sucked or got stuck in bad systems. Russell has potential, but he hasn’t shown flashes of brilliance and he’s turned into the Michelin Man.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Cause of death is still unknown, but it is definitely not Zimmer and his wife pictured here.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:52 am
JaMarcus in a landslide.
The Chiefs have now lost 28 of 30. That’s pretty amazing in this day and age of NFL football.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:52 am
but dont they have a kid at the other tackle who was dumped by the Pats? and the broncos scooped him up the next day?
October 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am
/Throws hands up in air, gives up.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:54 am
We know a lot more about Zimmer’s wife because of Hard Knocks. I heard yesterday her refrigerator was covered in post it notes with what various cookies she was going to make for various Bengals.
I really hope die suddenly doesn’t mean suicide. That would be awful. But what little we know about her was that this guy (who could be a major jerk) seemed both loving and deferential when it came to her.
October 12th, 2009 at 9:57 am
You don’t spend a top-five pick on a right tackle with no intention of having him switch to the left side. At least, not if you plan on being successful as an organization.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Russell has potential,
this isn’t true at all. People project potential onto this guy because he’s big, tall and strong. He doesn’t have any.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
What bsanders said. Trading down would be a smart move if possible. With all the money they threw at Cassel, it’d be tough to give a ton of guaranteed money to a high draft pick.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Athletic meatheads usually don’t make it as QB’s in the league, except maybe Farve or Vick and both of them are at least known for being leaders though Vick’s is primarily in criminal enterprises.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:04 am
on my way to the jets team shop to order some gear.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:04 am
In my mind, no QB had more chances to succeed than Joey Harrington. He started FIFTY FIVE games for the Lions. That is insane considering how terrible he is. Smith was a horrendous draft choice and had less than zero chance to succeed. Carr was sacked about 734839 times in Houston, very little chance to succeed.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:07 am
good point about right tackle $
i dont know enough about lineman … how many right side lineman near the top of this list?
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=135
October 12th, 2009 at 10:09 am
wow is the nfl shop overpriced. $24 for a t-shirt?
$70 for a hoodie?
or maybe i just haven’t been clothes shopping in forever
October 12th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Tyler Thigpen is the new Billy Volek. whenever the guy gets to play, he is going to put up nice fantasy numbers.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Thigpen led me to my fantasy championship game last year
October 12th, 2009 at 10:14 am
i dont know enough about lineman … how many right side lineman near the top of this list?
That’s last year’s list, but almost none. Two centers and Leonard Davis, to my best guess. It’s primarily left tackles, with a couple of good guards (Steinbach). Oh, and Gandy sucks, and will be replaced by Levi Brown at LT at some point in Arizona. So Levi Brown is currently a right tackle.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Nah. He lost to Michael Vick at home in the playoffs. He sucks.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am
@TBL- dont you wish you knew someone in the league office to get free stuff? would be nice
October 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am
outrageously overpriced for what they sell. makes me ill to think of what it costs to make the product and how much they mark it up when the team logo/nfl shield gets stamped on it.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Russell in a landslide. Carr had no line and nobody thought Smith was any good.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Carr is at fault for his sack totals as well. the guy holds onto the ball forever.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:20 am
if mccoy goes higher than the 3rd round there should be a parade for his agent
October 12th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Yeah. Horribly overpriced.
I find stuff that I like and then try to find the same article cheaper elsewhere. I don’t care what is on the t-shirt, you are stealing money if you charge over $15 for a t-shirt.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:30 am
i like this.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Huge win for the Bengals, now 3-0 in the division with two road wins. Nice to see the Flacco slobbering slowing down. Carson back in form, its only been like 4 years since he’s played like this.
October 12th, 2009 at 10:39 am
TBL go straight for the cheap jersey site. the jerseys come with their tags. i’m not vouching 100% but i got what i thought i was going to get
http://www.jersey101.com/en/products.asp?typeid=182&page=2
October 12th, 2009 at 10:48 am
@REAAAZY:
just when i think i resisted the urge to buy a new jersey that I don’t need, i get pulled right back in!
October 12th, 2009 at 11:46 am
i know of a blogger that has got a bunch of jerseys from here. says they are legit as hell.
October 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
outrageously overpriced for what they sell. makes me ill to think of what it costs to make the product and how much they mark it up when the team logo/nfl shield gets stamped on it.
Phil Knight laughs at this statement
/swoosh’d
October 12th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
i’ve been checking these out and i noticed, in comparison to NFL shop items, there are some differences. Can’t be picky for $38 bucks though, just don’t buy hoping they are the $250 jerseys from nfl.com.
October 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
With Joe Thomas on board in Cleveland, it’s hard to fathom that the team would pay top five money to bring in another offensive tackle. But a guy like Tennessee SS Eric Berry could potentially be a day one starter in 2010…