Do the Cavs Have a Team That Can Contend For the NBA Title?
NBA October 30th. 2009, 4:00pm
Everyone considers the Cleveland Cavaliers one of the five NBA teams that could win the title. The reasoning is simple. LeBron James is the best player. But, after consecutive losses to the Celtics and Raptors, bandwagon members are jumping. I must ask, why were people high on this team initially?
LeBron is stupendous. He’s the ideal physical specimen for a basketball player, but look at his supporting cast.
Pretend the Cavs’ starting lineup is Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Anderson Varejao and Shaquille O’Neal’s expiring contract. Daniel Gibson and Zydrunas Ilgauskas are the first two guys off the bench.
Does that team make the playoffs? Do they win 30 games? 25? If not, how is that the backbone of a championship team? Adding an overachieving LeBron, that team has an Eastern Conference Finals ceiling. That team has no Scottie. They’re missing even a Kukoc.
Every minute Shaquille O’Neal is in the game, the opposition can force him to come out on a pick and roll and have a good chance of scoring. The Big Shaqtus moniker is fitting. He’s prickly and no longer mobile.
As constituted, the Cavs can’t win the title. They aren’t even a team that’s demonstrably better than he would get elsewhere next year.
Sportswriters scoff at him going to the Clippers. Assuming they trade the caveman to clear space, that would give the Clips Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, LeBron, Blake Griffin and Camby with Al Thornton coming off the bench.
Throw in a real head coach and some contributing veterans enticed by LeBron and LA. Perhaps, some new unis to revitalize the team’s image. That team could do some damage.
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October 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
LEBRON TO THE CLIPS!!!
October 30th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
NO
October 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
In short no.
In long nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I know one man that can contend for a spot in my heart.
RAWR.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
After they trade Shaq’s expiring contract for someone better, maybe.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Manute Bol > LeBron
October 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Lebron to….. the SIXERS!!!! Nobody talks about this, why not? I’m not a huge NBA fan, so if you throw the cap room argument at me, touche, but that could be a nice lineup.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Scott Spiezio > A-Rod
October 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
0-2 is not a big deal. Shaq saying he doesn’t understand the playbook is a big deal. Still having Mike Brown as the coach is a big, bad deal.
I’d wait a month before burying them though. In the meantime, they suck.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
so if you throw the cap room argument at me
you don’t want to know how bad the Sixers cap situation is. You really don’t.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Kirk Lowdermilk > Peyton Manning
October 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I’m sorry, is your argument Lebron to the Sixers because they are an NBA franchise?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Cavs are a good team…I hate the “their team is bad” arguement…you can’t 66 games without any help.
However, the panic right now is stupid. They’ll likely make the ECF (pending Boston’s health), but they are no match for Orlando’s depth. And I’m willing to wager with anyone on the site about that.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Scott Spiezio > A-Rod
Kirk Lowdermilk > Peyton Manning
Barry Horwitz > Randy Savage
October 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Pretend the Cavs’ starting lineup is Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Anderson Varejao and Shaquille O’Neal’s expiring contract
So, LeBron doesn’t start? Or do they go with 6 on the floor?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
More or less.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Dick Trickle > Jimmy Johnson
October 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
So after two games, people are writing the Cavs off?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Barry Horwitz > Randy Savage
I would have gone Leaping Lanny Poffo there. That guy doesn’t get enough negative attention. Poet Laureate of wrestling.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
You know he’s Savage’s brother right?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
yes, yes I do. That’s the rub.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
The Genuis! You should change your gravatar to that guy. And what’s with the shirtless pic? Did Duffy rub up against a man and catch the ghey?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Nope. After two games, I’m writing off those 11 other losers on the Cavs that LeBron plays with. They are the 3 seed in the East. Book it.
2nd round exit. July 1st exit to fame/fortune for Winless.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Hulk Hogan has the skin of a hot dog.
Do the Cavs Have a Team That Can Contend For the NBA Title?
NO.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Why did TBL run with a shirtless picture of Lebron???
October 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
After Paolo explained it was a choice to want to suck dicks Duffy closely considered the matter and made his decision.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
/ Lebron’s chest is pretty hairy
/ Slightly creeped out by TBL’s love for Gossip Girl combined with shirtless Lebron pics and his Tom Brady hat fascination
October 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
With that picture, is this TBgheyL After Dark?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
nm, jus realized duffy did this…he likes soccer, so that must explain it
October 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Why would LeBron go to L.A.? He was already second fiddle to Kobe in Beijing.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
i think waiting for shaq to play himself into shape will hurt this team from reaching as many wins as they are supposed to get but once he does they will be alright. i havent seen the magic play to say how good or bad they are but i can say that this team right now doesnt stand a chance against the Lakers. the lakers that i saw the other night were playing like a well oiled machine. scary team defense.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Duffy on the NBA, nice.
to answer: The Cavs were one of the best teams in the league last year (by some measurements the best) and they kept the main cog, Lebron, in order. The top 6 guys in minutes are all back and for only Z would you expect a decrease in performance due to age.
So how are they different from last year, they replace Big Ben, Wally, and Sasha with Shaq, Parker and Moon. They latter group is MUCH better (its not even close).
Not having West to start hurts (adjustments for Parker and Shaq are natural both showing some good things and some awful things)
They will be most helped when Powe gets back.
The question is really how is this team any worse they last years?
October 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
2 games. Scrap the team!
October 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
The Cavs are definetly better this year. They’ll be clicking by December. Unfortunetly, so will the Magic and Celtics (pending health). I will repeatedly say it on this site, this Cavs team is not deep enough to fuck with the other big boys from the East, they can beat down lower level teams all they want.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
This seems like an overreaction to me.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
The question is really how is this team any worse they last years?
Shaq. It was a terrible trade.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
this Cavs team is not deep enough to fuck with the other big boys from the East, they can beat down lower level teams all they want.
/+1
October 30th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
The Cav team last beat the teams they were supposed to beat and were pedestrian against the top level teams. This team will not be as good. Shaq will clog up the middle because he has to. What good is having Shaq on the floor if he isn’t in the paint? LeBron hasn’t developed a mid range game so this is a recipe for even more step back 3’s than last year.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
can we stop with teh clippers love. we don’t know what griffin is going to do, he already has a non-contact knee injury. camby and baron aren’t exactly spring chickens anymore, and will be a year older next season and already have a history of getting hurt, and eric gordon is still a chucker.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I wish they would do an episode of Shaq Versus… an NBA player.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Um…what? Baron sucks though.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I see you’ve never met any cleveland fans. They live and breath sports failure and expect the worse. They are wary of any success because they know it will end badly. They’re like a slightly less annoying Boston fan circa 2000.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
fact: Shaq was better than Amare on last years Suns.
the shaq hate is nice and cliche, but really Ben Wallace would not be helping the Cavs with their offense struggles.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
yeah, he got a lot better as the season went on last season. i just don’t like him.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
+1
Another thing that never gets mentioned, if I remember correctly, is that the Cavs had subpar records against the Magic, Celtics and Lakers last year. I know they beat the Celtics, but they didn’t beat the Magic or the Lakers (correct me if I’m wrong). I believe the same thing will happen this year. The team will win a lot by feasting on the weaker teams (like what every team does obviously), but when it comes to the big tests with stiffer competition, their weaknesses are revealed.
Also, Mike Brown is the coach. That needs to be mentioned each time.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
I agree with that, but the dynamic of the team changes. I honestly think Powe and Parker were the best additions to this Cavs team. I know Shaq is partly there to stop Dwight, but having Shaq on the floor on defense is more of a liability than anything, because any smart coach can find ways to pick him apart.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I love that Eric Gordon’s pic on NBA.com is of him getting his nuts grabbed by Barbosa.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eric_gordon/career_stats.html
October 30th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
what hurts the cavs more than anything is our o coordinator from last yr (the 1st yr brown even had such a coach) left to be the HC of the pistons…he needs someone in immediately to take control of the offense. MB is a great GREAT defensive coach, but he dont know offense for shit
October 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
the shaq hate is nice and cliche, but really Ben Wallace would not be helping the Cavs with their offense struggles.
nobody wants Wallace back. There were tons of trades available, and Ben Wallace was the most valuable chip Cleveland had. He took a miniscule buyout and was worth 12 million in trade value, by himself.
I have said about 45 times that they should have traded for Tyson Chandler, and that Lebron should have spent his entire summer working on post moves and mid range jumpers.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
This is true. Against good teams how many times do the Cavs go out to an early double digit lead, lose most if not all of it by half-time, and then start the 2nd half with a 10-2 run or worse against them? It is groundhog day. Some of this must be Mike Brown’s fault.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
But if he picks up his option you are done for the follow year and he has way less trade value this year.
Lets say shaq is toast. They can shop is 20M contract right now! this is HUGE.
October 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Thanks, Coop!
/seriously, us Cleveland fans take a beating here sometimes
//sometimes it’s warranted
October 30th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
As much as I don’t like the guy, Delonte will make a difference – he’s an important part of the team at this point, and his presence makes Anthony Parker better off the bench. And then Daniel Gibson will grab a seat next to Coby Karl for the remainder of the season and that will be a good thing.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Lets say shaq is toast. They can shop is 20M contract right now! this is HUGE.
I know, but Shaq’s policy is scorched earth, and then you only have less than a half season to try and integrate. It feels like you’re risking so much to trade for Shaq and then have to dump him midseason.
Chandler was always definitely going to get paid next year anyway.
He was a great fit. He’s good at playing D, rebounding, getting out of the way, and catching lobs.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I know, sss, but he was Awful in game against boston and dide none of the above. Under Mike Brown the cavs will be a slowed paced team and Shaq is hopefully better suited for it (I think they could benefit by giving him some more touches in the post). Chadler D is better but Cavs were a very good defense team last year with Z out there.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
If you’re cleveland, you really only care about defending Boston and Orlando. Neither Shaq nor big Z are any help there.
Shaq’s touches have to come from somewhere, right? And he’s going to want them in the paint. And nobody’s going to double him anymore. So what’s that going to help?
As for anything poor Chandler does on Charlotte, that’s not his fault. He’s a complimentary player who is now on a very bad team. There’s no way he does well.
October 30th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
sometimes? Is this a typo? Don’t you mean all the time?