Heisman Top Seven Going Into LSU/Bama, OSU/PSU
College Football, Video November 3rd. 2009, 5:15pm
This Heisman race, while the winner is ultimately going to be as obvious as Who Shot Mr. Burns (I actually had that as Hans Moleman that entire summer), has at least been as crazy as the 2000 Presidential election. (After the jump, there’s a video of Dan Rather from early that night. Can’t find the classic, but at around 3 am he was screaming, “Gore’s back is up against the wall! His shirttails are on fire and the tax collector is banging down the door!” It was literally that bad.) Side note on the 2000 election: the night before was Antonio Freeman’s sick-ass catch on MNF. Here’s video of that. That’s the last time we’ll mention a WR for the remainder of this post, I’d bet.
1. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas: I don’t think McCoy’s performance against Okie State was awesome, and I do think he’s kinda fucked by the inability to have a “Heisman moment” in November – since most of Texas’ games won’t be on anyone’s radar. But, I do think he’s the front-runner right this second, because Tebow already has his Heisman and if the BCS title game does come down to UF vs. Texas, members of media want to open their columns with: “Two men. Two Heisman trophy winners. Two men. Two of the winningest QBs in college history. Two men. Two fine, upstanding citizens. Two men. And tonight, only one of them can walk out a champion.” Whoever called me a cheap Pat Forde in the comments last week was utterly and completely right.
2. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida: SEC numbers not against Georgia are fairly pedestrian. Side note, if you want to know how my Halloween went: I don’t remember the end of UGA/UF. I did wake up by the end of USC/Oregon, though. Nice.
3. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama: The only way he gets this is if he shreds LSU for 120+ and 2 TDs, then goes 100+ and 2 TDs on Florida in the SEC title game, complete with a huge-ass stiff arm of Brandon Spikes at some point during that contest. That might be enough.
4. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame: Numbers are really good. Plays for a program that virtually everyone in America has some form of opinion on. Is on TV every week. All that is good. The bad: his two highest-profile games of the year, Michigan and USC? Losses.
5. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech: I’m just going to use slots 5-7 to make arguments, because in all honesty, it’s going to be one of the guys listed 1 or 2. Here’s the argument for Dwyer: it seems either Georgia Tech or Clemson is going to the BCS from the ACC, right? So let’s compare Dwyer and Spiller for a hot second. Kiper and McShay both have these dudes around 12-13 in the 2010 Draft. OK, so they’re close in that regard. I take Dwyer because he’s beast, or at least more beast than Spiller. My other concern with Spiller: how long has this dude been at Clemson? Did he room with the Fridge? I swear I was in 4th grade when he was red-shirting.
6. Terrelle Pryor, QB, Ohio State: Won’t sniff this list. However, check this out: If he totally goes off in his next three games (PSU, Iowa, Michigan), runs a 3-0 record, puts about 220 on the ground and 600+ through the air… you wouldn’t even consider inviting him to New York? Now, now… he likely won’t do any of that, and OSU might actually go 1-2 in those three games (2-1 is more likely), but can you think of a more important three-game stretch for Tressel and any of the QBs he’s ever had than this one right here?
7. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple: Won’t sniff it either, but the two best rise-from-the-ashes stories in CFB this year are Temple and Duke, with Oregon as a more mainstream third contender. Pierce has been, with apologies to Kanye, “beasting … off the Reisling,” including a couple of 200+ performances. [Ed. He's only a freshman!] Wouldn’t mind seeing this cat get more love at the very least; hoping his YouTubes at Temple can someday replace arguably the most famous Temple YouTube of ‘em all:
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November 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
HA! you dont know your ass from your elbow
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Can’t we just agree that no one deserves it and withhold it like they did in 2006?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
you clearly listed that temple player just to show that video. i like it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
No.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
for what?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I’m not saying he should win, and it know it sounds completely homer, but how the fuck does Daryll Clark never even get mentioned in the conversation. He’s got the most TD’s of any BCS league QB and is the leader of a top 10 team. Like I said, he has no business winning, but should they win out he deserves to make the trip to NYC.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Nesbitt should be ahead of Pryor if you want to find another QB to put on the list.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
that kid at temple is killin’ it.
it’ll be mccoy or tebow, sadly.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
character witness in a murder case.
/everyone does it’d
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
That’s what they should do.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Gay porn?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
you’re an NFL GM: Is Dwyer a better pro prospect than last year’s top 15 pick Knowshon Moreno?
i saw DEFINITELY. didnt love Moreno as a pro prospect. Dwyer looks beastly.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Part of my long list of why college football pisses me off to no end. God bless the NFL.
/still be there saturday
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Freddie Barnes = 99 catches, 1000+ yards, 9 TDs in 8 games.
He’s the Heisman winner in PPR leagues.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
if nd wins out clausen wins it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Yes. Spiller’s probably a better “prospect” also, but he has a lot of tread already worn off his tires.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
He has the rare combo of size, strength, and breakaway speed. Plus he’s durable… should be a stud in the NFL.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
with all the talk of ugly (yes, that is what i call him) getting mvp, why can’t we give it to bradford just to make him feel better?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
2 Men one cup. Perfect for Tebow and Colt McMustache
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
beat me too it, coop. clark’s numbers are as good or better than every QB listed.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“Two men. Two Heisman trophy winners. Two men. Two of the winningest QBs in college history. Two men. Two fine, upstanding citizens. Two men. And tonight, only one of them can walk out a champion.”
Are they making a new Highlander movie?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
clark shit the bed against iowa. clausen played well in their losses. and i highly doubt clarks numbers are as good as clausens but you can look it up if you want.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
ill go Dwyer over Spiller. the latter seems fragile. more explosive, sure, but he always seems to be getting hurt.
then again … wasnt that the case with Percy Harvin at FLA?
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I would invite Suh, but only to chauffeur Tebow
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Little different with RB’s vs. WR’s. RB’s get hammered 20-25 times a game, WR’s sometimes only take two or three clean hits all game.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
if someone could explain why tebow should win it, i will gladly listen. he is probably the third best QB in the sec behind Mallet and Garcia. He didn’t do jack shit against Arkansas defense, that right there should immediatly knock him from the list.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Duder, same TD’s, Clark has more INTs, passing yards close but Clausen has about 200 more, but Clark has about 200 more rushing yards, plus 4 more rushing TDs
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Everyone knows Thad Lewis should win it.
/2 more wins
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
its not like harvin is lighting it up in the nfl either. 5 todal tds, less than 400 yards halfway through the season. very good kick returner, decent 3rd wr.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
If you think Tim Tebow isn’t as good as Stephen fucking Garcia you are smoking a massive bag of crack. No offense.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Also, this award should go to the Florida or Bama defense at this point.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
ok yeah if he throws 3 tds in a win against osu and they win out he should probably get invited
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:45 pm
sean jean, i didn’t say that. but if you are looking at numbers, which is more or less what the heisman is based on, i will say that garcia is having a much better year than tebow.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I love Dwyer and think he’s going to be great but it’s so hard to predict in that gimmicky GT offense. Would like to see Dwyer in something a little bit more traditional and see what he can do.
And no I’m not commenting on anything written in this post because it’s a waste of time. I’m shocked Tim Tebow is listed on here twice with the way BBOB does a top 25 poll.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
*isnt
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
or byu defense
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
That’s actually exactly what you said, but I see what you really meant. Nonetheless, the comparison is ridiculous imo. Tebow is the QB of the #1 team in the country that hasn’t lost in about two years and consistently beats teams by himself, and Stephen Garcia should have lost to Vandy at home if it weren’t for the refs. I don’t think Tebow deserves the Heisman either, but that comparison is just silly.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
No clear frontrunner has emerged. That coupled with the lack of a dominant team means the winner will emerge in a big way these last few weeks. Like Carson Palmer did. Nobody really has any idea right now. A couple big games in the pressure cooker of November-December will win the trophy.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
sean jean, i see where you are coming from, but last time i checked the heisman doesn’t go to the best team in the country. now don’t get me wrong, i would take tebow over garcia or Mallet for that matter, but team record or rank should mean nothing in the voting. if you look statistically at the three qb’s, tebow’s numbers pale in comparison.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
But he runs the dive play up the middle most of the time now. And you can’t gimmick trucking people, breaking tackles, and outrunning them.
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
i dont see how people who voted for tebow two years ago while on a shitty team with great numbers can vote for him now when hes on a great team with mediocre numbers.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
How the fuck is a triple option “gimmicky”?
/wtf
//shakes head
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
if you want to throw Pryor up there you have to put Clark up too, schedule is extremely similar except for the USC game where Pryor was unextraordinary to say the least.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:03 pm
another baseball threadjack:
The Rays just got back some throw away guy from the Pirates. What the fuck, Bill Smith? We could have given something better.
sorry if this is Duckworth’d
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Needs to do the Gator Chomp after running in the game-winning touchdown in the SEC SPEED CHAMPIONSHIP
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Not getting the Aki deal at all.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
If Pitt wins out and Dion Lewis averages over 100/game against ND, WVU, and Cinci finishing in the top 5 of backs in yards (which he currently is)… he gets an invite.
I’m honestly just praying Ingram is a terror against LSU and Florida so someone who deserves it can win it.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
You should check again, because the Heisman basically always goes to the best teams in the country. Stats aren’t everything. Jon Crompton probably has larger numbers than Tebow also, but I mean, are you kidding me?
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Also, 50% of Tebow’s game is his rushing, and he is his team’s leading rusher.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
And I agree that team ranking shouldn’t be the only thing considered, but I do definitely think it should factor in, unless a player is just off the charts individually. This year, no one is. You play to win the game, and with QB’s, they have a lot to do with that.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Sean I thought the black jerseys on Saturday night were awesome.
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Yep, it was a pretty cool idea, especially since we won big and it was a night Halloween game. If we didn’t win, it might have looked a bit silly (ey Georgia?).
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Golden Tate?
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
So you woke up at the start of the third quarter?
November 3rd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
It’s a shame Masoli can’t win it. What he did to USC was sick.
November 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Couple of thoughts here:
1. Masoli should win it, and he might merit discussion in the 5-7 slot next week if he goes ape-crazy again, but yea, you’re all right — he can’t actually win it.
2. I woke up about the middle of the fourth. Game had been over for over an hour, granted.
3. Golden Tate? Naw. If anyone ND gets it, it’s Clausen. No one ND should get it.
4. Love the fools laughing at me for Pryor. He’s a joke, sure, but read the actual post. The point of it was this: IF (huge if) he goes off the next three weeks, what do you think about him then?
Here are some questions back to you guys:
1. Where should Oregon rank in recruiting for 2011? If you’re a stud QB/RB, you gotta want to go there, right?
2. If Clausen and everyone else comes back, how high is ND preseason next year?
3. How high is Tennessee preseason next year?
4. How high is Arkansas preseason next year? (Debating this at work today.)
5. What team would Dwyer be the best fit on? I, too, think he’s a beast pro.
Triple Option ain’t gimmicky, but I bet Paul Johnson’s sex life is.
November 3rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Play Florida in them and you will know how we feel. The first time UGA wore black tops they hammered Auburn by 20+ when Auburn was good.
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
As a former Temple player, I never thought I’d hear the phrase “Temple, bowl elligle” ever again. To have one of our RBs even in this conversation is unfuckinbelievable.
No, I didn’t really wear a leather helmet and Bill Cosby was a few years ahead of me, but it was before almost all of you were born.