The Roundup: Syracuse Lost to LeMoyne; Colorado Star Running Back to Transfer
College Basketball, College Football, Fans, Former Athletes, Media Gossip/Musings, NBA, NFL, Recruiting, Video November 4th. 2009, 8:00am
Remember Stacey Dash from Clueless? … the Fake AP Stylebook guys! … the speeches Sarah Palin planned to deliver on the night she and McCain lost the election … Google passed on buying the New York Times? … we’ll be taking up a collection to buy Pabst Brewing Company at lunch … did Fergie’s husband cheat on her with this Atlanta stripper? … sad story: three college softball players found dead …
The 2009 MLB TV awards. You’ll never guess who won best play-by-play and worst analyst. (Fang’s Bites)
If Georgia has recruited as good as Florida - or better - in the last five years, why are the Bulldogs as good? Hint: Coaching. (AJC)
Good read: Sports fans everywhere feel as if announcers are against their team. (NYT)
That brutal hit Danny Amendola of the Rams absorbed Sunday? “My mind wasn’t working.” (AP)
“Tight deadlines” led to Thomas Boswell’s World Series column in the paper Monday containing nearly 20 errors. (Wash Post)
Iowa State transfer Wes Johnson scored 34 points, but Syracuse was stunned in an exhibition game by Division II LeMoyne. (Post-Standard)
Former prized Colorado recruit Darrell Scott, a star high school running back who passed on Texas, is going to transfer after two poor seasons in Boulder. Will he land at UCLA? (CU Buffs)
Far too early to grade Pete Carroll’s former assistants. Two of them will definitely succeed. (LA Times)
No idea what CNBC’s Darren Rovell was thinking with this column in the winner of the NYC Marathon. (CNBC via Deadspin)
Very good read on Brad Gaines, the Vanderbilt running back who collided with Chucky Mullins in 1989. Mullins was paralyzed on the hit and later died. (Fanhouse)
Syracuse star receiver Mike Williams was a passenger in a car that was rear-ended at 5:30 am Sunday. Then, he quit the team. Something doesn’t add up. (Daily Orange)
Gerald Wallace of the Bobcats leads the NBA in the dubious category, “getting your shot blocked.” (Hardwood Paroxysm)
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Fantastic. (via You Been Blinded)
In the cock game, “Top Cock” usually gets a laugh.
Tim Floyd, now allegedly breaking up females fighting in the lunch room. (via Herm’s Perm)
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November 4th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Stacey!! The streets approve TBL!
/Dear Jonny Corzine….. You’re fired.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Who the fuck is Sarah Mccain?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:06 am
“Without Bias” last night was Un.Be.lieve.able.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Bloomberg paid $157.27 per vote to get reelected.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Bloomberg paid $157.27 per vote to get reelected.
USA!USA!USA!USA!
November 4th, 2009 at 8:12 am
and that Kanye video. smoking.
why pay so much to be Mayor? is it for resume building?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Meanwhile Bloombergs challenger paid 13 bucks per vote and lost by only 50,000.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:16 am
So disapointed in my home state today..
November 4th, 2009 at 8:16 am
just fyi for those unaware, the chick in the “cock” video, jane skinner, is mrs. roger goodell.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:18 am
on Mike Williams - a ESPN radio correspondent gave a pseudo biographical account of what happened. The car was in an accident coming back from a casino and the coach was going to suspend all players in the car. While delivering the news to the players Williams walked.
/3rd handed
November 4th, 2009 at 8:19 am
So disapointed in my home state today..
progress in Maine: you can’t get there from here.
Sucks CJ.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Maine?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Ha- you know Maine well. Yeah, I had a friend who was planning a wedding :/
November 4th, 2009 at 8:22 am
just amazes me the millions that are spent on campaigns…
November 4th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Rovell’s column….sheesh. Thought he was smarter than that. The comments on the CNBC site say it all.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Top Cock on the SkinnerVille Report…can’t make that up
November 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am
@Cracker Jack -
Progress is still progress. Unfortunately, I’m in PA. I don’t think we glimpse where Maine had been for a long, long time. Keep up the good fight.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Is AzureTexan on Deadspin the Paolo of over there?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
HAHA. that chick that picks up the chair is awesome. early morning laugh, thanks.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Remember Stacey Dash from Clueless?
and that Kanye video. smoking
the one at the airport? She has to be 40 by now
In the cock game, “Top Cock” usually gets a laugh
Commish is playing above the rim
November 4th, 2009 at 8:30 am
The Mack Brown curse strikes again.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Oh… and Meb Keflezighi Rules!
/Proud Eritrean/American.
//Darren Rovell = Douchebaggggg.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Yeah Im in PA now too, so its frustrating I couldnt be a part of the vote or campaign. Maybe someday in our lifetimes these kinds of votes will be long gone.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Tattletales is definitely slumming it. So many better choices in Atlanta.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:35 am
I suspect in 10 years this will be a non-issue. Same with marijuana legalization. Just need some of the older people to shuffle off the mortal coil.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Yum, yum, I love some Stacey Dash. Her Playboy issue is still one of the best of the past 5 or so years.
I’ve frequented many a stripclub in Atlanta, and I can find 5 chicks better looking than Fergie in any non-Henry County establishment. I still remember the night when me and some buddies got to hang with Barry Sanders at the Gold Club. That place was seriously like a Victoria’s Secret model shoot. I still hate Patrick Ewing for helping to bring it down.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:37 am
So we must stop Baseball
November 4th, 2009 at 8:37 am
He should’ve learned from Perrillouxser - don’t fucks wit Mack Brown.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I hope so, this combined with Prop 8 is a pretty sad trend.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:38 am
it will come sooner rather than later. a lot of progress has been made, but if 18-30 year old voter turnout can be maximized when the issue is up for vote again it will be passed. a crazy stat in NJ showed that voter turnour among 18-25 year old voters between 2008 and 2009 was down 10% or something rediculous like that, while the 35-45 year old voter turn out was up an additional 10 to 15% this year compared to last.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:40 am
@tallguy - I agree. Its the old codgers that keep this issue, and many other issues, alive and well. I’m also worried about their offspring. Hopefully you are right.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:42 am
rovelll issued a half-assed apology
http://www.cnbc.com/id/33603449
November 4th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Considering that turnout drops at least 50% in an off year election, only losing 10% would be outstanding. Virginia had something like a 3.7mil turnout last year, and a 2 mil turnout this year, and that’s only because of the governor election. Normal turnout in an off year election runs about 10-15%. That’s part of the reason why the republicans won NJ and Va…poor people are less likely to turnout for a non presidential election because they can’t afford to miss time to vote.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:43 am
This is very true. I read the voter turnout was over 50%, which is great for non presidential or congressional elections, but the turnout in my college town where there is a majority of young folk was under 30%. I think a lot of people took for granted that No would win.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:45 am
i was wondering why maine was trending on google this am
November 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Come get gay married in Vermont. Invite all your friends. This state is seriously hurting for revenue.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:54 am
i think that’s definitely what it is, also talking to some people in NJ, they just didn’t like any candidate enough to vote, and i don’t blame them. I didn’t make up my mind until i was driving to the polls at 4:55 last night, and i was seriously considering voting at all b/c i knew my two choices didn’t really have a shot at all.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:54 am
The bloodletting has begun.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Half-assed? That was weak. Guy is a dick. Maybe its just the conspiracy theorist in me, but I think outlets clear this stuff to run to increase their readership, let it get people riled up, and then issue the half-assed apology.
/pretty left and liberal today
November 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am
DC sniper, is now begging for his life, blaming his lawyers.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Remember Stacey Dash from Clueless?
Nope, but I remember her from Mo Money. Smoking. She has to be in her 40s by now. Still looking good.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:57 am
abortion and gay marriage are wedge issues i wish the republicans would not spend so much time on.
they want smaller government and to go back to constitution but the drive people away because they always say no to those 2 things
November 4th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Remove “Georgia” and replace with “Tennessee” and you’ve gone back in time approximately 7 or 8 years.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:59 am
And now, for my right leaning act. Piss on him. Take him outside, line him up against the wall and shoot.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am
That line Spurrier had a few years ago about Georgia was great. Something along the lines of “They get all these good recruits up there. I don’t know what happens to ‘em.”.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:02 am
They can’t…if they don’t push it, then the religious right breaks away and forms a third party. They should just emulate Obama…promise the fringe things to keep them happy, then make sure to put forward bills that have no chance of passing to satisfy the fringe while keeping to the center.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Let him run wild in the woods and let someone in the marine force recon stalk him with just a kbar
November 4th, 2009 at 9:03 am
And now, for my right leaning act. Piss on him. Take him outside, line him up against the wall and shoot, but don’t tell him when you’re going to do it. Let him live that nightmare for a few hours.
I agree.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:03 am
i suppose since he listened so well to his victims before murdering them in cold blood we should all give second thoughts to his death penalty.
/saracastic
//there’s not a death penalty harsh enough for people like him.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:04 am
by the way, I guess I’m not banned. thanks, Mr. Big Lead.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Helloooooooooooo, #29. Bless IMDB for putting this up every week.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:05 am
by the way, I guess I’m not banned. thanks, Mr. Big Lead.
that’s a bannin’
November 4th, 2009 at 9:06 am
big stacey dash fan.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:07 am
And #18, good week this week.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Cap, #24 on your fresh faces list is Sun from Lost. While she’s a great looking lady, I don’t know how they count her as a fresh face.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:07 am
where’s jersey? a big day of success yesterday!
November 4th, 2009 at 9:10 am
good, if the republicans were smart they would let them
November 4th, 2009 at 9:10 am
They beat SCAR and win the SEC twice in 8 years and play for a third. Go to 3 BCS bowls and win two of them. Yeah. They are TERRIBLE!!!
What happened in Maine?
November 4th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Well, this being the last season, and judging by what she has lined up…she probably needs this. Shit, I meant to send this into the Roundup and forgot.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:12 am
@dirtheavy - Excellent addition.
/A Mr. Burns evil “excellent”
November 4th, 2009 at 9:12 am
So true. I don’t really know that much about fiscal politics and such, but I will never vote for a social conservative…ever. If Rep’s would realize that there are a lot of people like me rather than pander to the Christian Right, maybe they would be in power now.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Does anyone know where I can watch the 30 on 30 on Len Bias that aired last night? I had to miss it and forgot to DVR.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Gentleman (and ladies): Today is a day to celebrate. Who is going to Breckenridge in January? This guy.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I think it reairs tonight.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:16 am
miz et al - if a comment is snagged, email me at one of the two addys. i dont get to read all the comments. i know you did yesterday … needed a 90 minute off-the-internet space.
occasionally, brain cant handle 8ish straight hours at the CPU
November 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I think it reairs tonight.
at 10 on the ESPN 2.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I saw a special on this on Saturday. Fuck that guy.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Helloooooooooooo, #29. Bless IMDB for putting this up every week.
Damn… Nice pull, bsanders.
I think it reairs tonight.
at 10 on the ESPN 2.
Thank you, gentlemen. I should be back from the Wiz/Heat game by then.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:21 am
clearly the guy is into butter-faces.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:21 am
ssshhhhhhh! they might be reading!
November 4th, 2009 at 9:22 am
I just got a little worried that I violated the commenter’s bill of rights since I posted two straight comments that were moderated after I posted that sexy picture of spencer. it was like finding out my dealer had been arrested…didn’t know what to do with myself at work and how else I could draw needless attention to my inane thoughts.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:24 am
That top 50 movie list is a soup sandwich, Cap. Very heavy on the indies.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Yep, right up my alley.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am
it was like finding out my dealer had been arrested
Alcohol is legal now, you no longer have to bootleg.
didn’t know what to do with myself at work
Just keep cutting grass, duh.
/Redneck
November 4th, 2009 at 9:38 am
ill - from the book of scientific facts: there’s no fun in drinking alcohol that wasn’t fermented in the radiator of a chopped/stripped 1982 Camaro, and there are few scents better than fresh cut grass.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Right here, had a nice little morning meeting (lasted an hour and a half).
Really excited for last night. Surprised that Christie took Bergen and Middlesex counties. Now lets hope he can work with that dem legislature. I am really excited for no more Corzine though.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
that’s an understatement. can’t say i agree with eternal sunshine, almost famous or LOTR (lost in translation is pushing it) in the top 10 while memento, elephant,and there will be blood and outside the top 10.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:44 am
and there are few scents better than fresh cut grass.
Agreed, miz. A close #2 would be the smell of Longhorns’ fans freshly shed tears as they get rolled by the Tide in the NC game this year.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:59 am
/fixed
//But I expected better. Innocence relost.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Wow, the liberal wing of TBL commenters is in full damage control mode today.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am
November 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Can’t we assuage the pain of random off off year election results in peace? FOR GODSAKES ST. LOUIS PASSED A HUGE SMOKING BAN. (runs away in tears)
November 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am
i’m actually pretty curious to see what the “damage control” is, too.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Didn’t you guys see??!?!? The Republicans won TWO GOVERNOR’S SEATS!! THE TEA PARTY IS IN FULL SWING!!!
November 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am
florida had a higher ranked recruiting class in 06,07, and 08.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Here are 3 nuggets for you:
1. Maine is too conservative.
Maine? Are you kidding me? If gay marriage failed in Main it’s because democrats didn’t vote for it. Not enough Repubs in Maine to stop anything.
2. Dems lost yesterday because they couldn’t afford to leave work to vote.
Polls are open for at least 11 hours everywhere on election day so using work as an excuse is really, really lame.
3. Republicans lose elections because of abortion and gay marriage.
Gay marriage has lost 31 of 31 at the ballot box including very liberal states like Maine and California. Candidates who run as conservatives win elections. Pansy moderates who try to get along with Dems (John McCain anyone?) lose elections. When 40% of the country identify themselves as conservatives while only 20% call themselves liberals it’s utterly laughable to say that 2 major issues important to conservatives are the reasons you say they lose elections.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Rush couldn’t get his buddy Hoffman elected in upstate New York. So it’s not a total wash. I think all incumbents are in trouble.. dem or rep next year.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Shit. I wanted to spend years looking at that guy.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Maine has a sizable population of republicans (abet fairly moderate), as evidenced by having a republican senator.
Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that turnout on off year elections is much lower, especially among the poorer sections of the population.
I agree, this is total crap. Except McCain didn’t lose because he’s a pansy moderate (outside of campaign finance reform, he is one of the staunchest conservatives in America based on voting record), he lost because Obama one of the finest campaigns in the history of America, while McCain lost any chance when he went with Palin.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am
The NY state Republican party spent $900K on Scazafava (sp) and she dropped out and endorsed the Democrat. That’s a pretty clear sign that the moderate Republican leadership isn’t in touch with the voters. I agree with you on the 2nd part. All incumbents are in trouble next year.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am
The Republicans won TWO GOVERNOR’S SEATS!! THE TEA PARTY CONSISTS OF PEOPLE WITH NO UNDERSTANDING OF TAX CODE.em>
Fixed. “Tea parties” are beyond imbecility.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
How would Republicans win eletions without abortion and gay marriage?
November 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
The NY state Republican party spent $900K on Scazafava (sp) and she dropped out and endorsed the Democrat. That’s a pretty clear sign that the moderate Republican leadership isn’t in touch with the voters.
If Hoffman had ended up winning, I would agree with you. However, the voters selected a moderate Democrat over a conservative Republican, so perhaps it was conservatives who were reaching a bit.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
2 republican senators actually. Once you get north of Portland, Maine is very, very conservative(except for the college town).
November 4th, 2009 at 10:51 am
2 republican senators actually. Once you get north of Portland, Maine is very, very conservative(except for the college town).
Snowe and Collins are Republicans, but they have probably the most moderate voting records of any Republicans in the Senate. So let’s not oversell the ‘R’ after their names.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Obama was the right guy at the right time but McCain is always quick to throw a Republican under the bus to maintain his “maverick” image. I totally disagree with you on Palin. McCain would have lost by double digits without her.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:52 am
I like that when Democrats lose it’s because their policies are too liberal but when conservatives lose it’s because they are too moderate. It’s a smart narrative for conservatives to use, and it’s probably a significant reason why the country has swung more conservative over the last thirty years.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I do think our country tilts more conservative. But I think the mistake is assuming all Dems are “far left” liberals. I don’t know any Dems that want government to control everything or for taxes to go up exponentially. (and I know a lot of dems).
The only thing all my dems are 100% consistent on is that they don’t understand the opposition to gay marriage and that they see it as a civil right.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am
That this race got national attention is a joke…the seat will go straight back to the republicans next year (it’s only for 1 year) where the primary will put out a candidate that the Conservative party will endorse instead of running their own candidate as they did this year. The conservatives made their point, the NY Republican party got chastised, and all will be put right a year from now (for this district at least).
November 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am
but McCain is always quick to throw a Republican under the bus to maintain his “maverick” image.
There was an interesting article in the NY Times a couple of weeks ago about how Lyndsey Graham is positioning himself as the next aisle crossing Republican ‘maverick’ in the Senate. The article implied that McCain wasn’t a fan of Graham taking over his gig. Don’t have the time to find it now, but it was an interesting read.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I don’t know any Dems that want government to control everything or for taxes to go up exponentially. (and I know a lot of dems).
You should really meet Barney Frank.
The only thing all my dems are 100% consistent on is that they don’t understand the opposition to gay marriage and that they see it as a civil right.
And Ben Nelson.
It’s too much of a blanket statement to say ALL democrats unite behind gay marriage and abortion rights especially when there are several who are vocal opponents of both, particularly in the House.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
i know a lot of people in NJ that just didn’t like any candidate enough to even want to vote for anyone. it’s not that they didn’t want to get out of work to vote, there just wasn’t any point in their view as it was either christie, who they hated, or corzine who they hated.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Agree. Blacks in Cali voted overwhelmingly not to legalize gay marriage.
The average Democrat isn’t far left but the leadership is.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I’m sorry, but the second Palin was nominated, myself and a ton of other republican leaning independents said, “no chance.” Palin brought NOTHING to the table…she didn’t balance the ticket, the base she played to was going to vote McCain no matter what, and she actively turned potential voters away.
Thankfully, it paved the way for Romney in ‘12, so I guess I should thank her for that.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Agree with this. Palin helped bring a lot of fringe loony secessionist votes.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I love this. It always cracks me up when the Cons say “the problem, here, is that we aren’t conservative ENOUGH.”
November 4th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Agree with this. Palin helped bring a lot of fringe loony secessionist votes.
She solidified the base.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
So just what is it us old folks are being blamed for today?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Who exactly would these people have voted for if not McCain? Bob Barr?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
What is the college town, CJ? Watertown?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
oh you must mean, orono actually, right?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Republicans love to “solidy the base,” but miss the point–you may not like to have your leadership work with those wussy commie Dems, Groin, but your “base” by itself is a fringe political element with some loudspeakers, i.e. RusHannity, et al. It doesn’t win national elections, it just wears tea bags on its head and screams “NOBAMA!!!”
But hey, keep on thinking that party purity is the problem. The American political polity is Centrist, whether or not you choose to believe that’s the case.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am
That this race got national attention is a joke…the seat will go straight back to the republicans next year
I don’t think it is, special elections are often a barometer of how voters, albeit in a localized part of the country, are feeling towards the party in power. They can, though are not always, indicators of how feelings towards Congress are manifesting among the electorate. For that reason, special congressional elections are often covered on the national scene if they are competitive. That this seat had been held by Republicans since 1870, is interesting to me.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Gerard, I was being sarcastic. I was saying that the base of the republican party WAS fringe loony secessionists.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:10 am
40% of the electorate who identify themselves as conservatives (not Republicans) is hardly a fringe as you’ve stated.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Here’s the Gallup poll I’ve referenced.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
When a crazy man who vaguely resembles a young Mr. Magoo defeats the local conservative political establishment, and that establishment then tells people to vote Democrat, you’ve got a pretty “special” election. I’m guessing Tallguy is right on this one. And if Obama is “losing the country” I sure wish he’d actually be DOING SOMETHING to do it.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I have no idea where you got that statistic, and frankly don’t care to argue its veracity.
Let’s assume for a moment that it’s true (and if it is, I imagine there are a groaning load of qualifiers attached): the issue, here, is semantics. Frank Lutz and his peeps–and the Lee Atwaters that preceded them–have done an excellent job demonizing the once-proud American political identifier “liberal.” Even the Dem/Lib/Progs/Whatever admit that. There are plenty of people, even fairly non-conservative people, who don’t like to be called “liberals” because it’s become a pejorative. “Conservative” has hardly endured the same assault.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Oh, and Dirt–I hear you. I wasn’t being clear ’nuff.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
He used the term “idears” at least 6 times in concession speech last night.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Ahhh…Gallup. That’s like quoting a stat from Newsmax, dude. Kinda like how you refuse to accept anything from Media Matters.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:19 am
/fixed
//why thank you
///jk’ing
November 4th, 2009 at 11:19 am
nailed it.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Since when did Gallup become a conservative mouthpiece? You’re really reaching when you say Gallup is biased against liberals especially when this poll has 17 years of data behind it. Nice try.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
just want to add that when people use “liberal” as a dirty word, not one person ever challenges it. i’d like to see it happen just once to see the dumbfounded reaction.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I just don’t understand the constant desire to identify Americans as “conservative.” Whatever people call themselves these days, we know that that whoever wins the election will probably get at most 5% more of the vote…so Americans don’t necessarily follow these characterizations.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Don’t like Gallup, eh? How about this Harris poll that says the same thing. Are they biased also? I’ll hang up and listen.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:28 am
/was talking presidential elections.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am
get your facts out of here Groin..my analysis is correct because other people in this thread agree with it
/Gerard
November 4th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I refer you to the Harris poll in the above comment. 20% have identified themselves as liberal since the 1960’s. Has nothing to do with demonizing the term liberal or Frank Luntz. If so, we would see a drop off through the years. Liberals don’t win elections when they call themselves liberals because of what they believe not because the term has been demonized.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Again–you can deny that Gallup skews conservative all you want, but that doesn’t make it not true. It does. You can also suggest that the *vast majority* of the American electorate is True Blue Conservative, and you would likely be wrong about that. But I’m not going to change your mind.
And I would also like to point out that blanket statements such as “conservatives win elections when they run as conservatives” are patently ridiculous.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Going out on a limb: I’m going to suggest that maybe reading for comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
*likewise be wrong.
/Editor plz
November 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
@Gerard
can you read a chart? how do you explain the Harris poll from above? tilts conservative too? you’re running out of excuses buddy..
November 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Sigh. I made my point earlier, Groin–and you–ignored it. That’s fine.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
When a crazy man who vaguely resembles a young Mr. Magoo defeats the local conservative political establishment, and that establishment then tells people to vote Democrat, you’ve got a pretty “special” election. I’m guessing Tallguy is right on this one.
I wasn’t referring to the merits of the election being covered, I was simply explaining why media outlets cover special elections, particularly this one.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Nonsense. That kind of thinking will get you a liberal candidate for office like Dede Scazzafava.
Drive people away? Did you see what happened in VA and NJ last night? Conservatives are the largest idealogical group at 40%. These two issues are very important to conservatives and can’t be ignored.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Good Read:
Forget the 2-1 spin; it was a rout