Peter King vs. Michael Wilbon: Battling Over Nowness
Uncategorized July 16th. 2007, 7:37pm
You think Wilbon ever thought this photo would hit the web? Probably not. At any rate, the Washington Post scribe (whom we thoroughly enjoy on PTI) has been taking a pounding for participating in ESPN’s summer ‘Who’s Now?’ series. Today in his Washington Post chat, he defended his actions. He really had no choice after Peter King dumped Starbucks all over Wilbon in MMQB this morning.
The journos slug it out after the jump:
From Peter King’s Column: Thoughts on Peter King’s comment in his column today, since he brought up your name?
“I’ll be the first to admit that ESPN is full of wonderful programming, but whoever thought up this idiotic ‘Who’s Hot Now’ racket and debate needs some sort of reality check. The aim, evidently, was to find the 32 hottest/most talented/handsome (I guess)/People-magazinish athletes in the world, pair them off against each other, and see who is the most ‘now’ guy. I got a kick out of Matt Leinart being in it, with the ESPN anchor talking about him like he’s one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Injecting performance into the debate made this all the more laughable, seeing that Leinart was the 23rd-rated quarterback in the league last year, completed 56.7 percent of his passes, with a minus-1 TD-to-interception ratio. And the panel discussions arguing the levels of nowness. Silly, silly stuff. Poor Mike Wilbon. This is why ESPN lured one of the best columnists and journalists in America to work there full time, so he could debate who’s more ‘now’ — Kobe Bryant or some soccer player from Brazil?”
Michael Wilbon: I love Peter King. Love him. He’s one of my favorite people, period…not just sportswriters. But I don’t take myself nearly as seriously as any football writers. That’s why I’m glad I’m not one anymore, and it’s why I took the “other” fork in the road when I had a chance to continue being a football writer. “Who’s Now” is simply a bigger platform (some would say too big) for a traditional PTI “toss-up” segment without the news peg. Tony and I do this every week, and have for 5 1/2 years. And I LIKED doing “Who’s Now?” and would do it again if the schedule permitted. Football writers–99 percent of them, and yes, they are dear, dear friends–think we’re war correspondants and that we all care to be serious 100 percent of the time. They don’t see other sports, they don’t cover other sports. They think all of us in the professional crave football 100 percent of the time, and therefore the seriousness it conveys.
I could give a damn.
And I love football.
But I’m not beholding to it every day, nor feel the need to be serious that most football writers (sometimes including Peter) feel. I have had these discussions with another very, very close friend, Gary Myers of the New York Daily News. I’ve got other interests, some of the frivilous. I like pop culture, though I don’t go any deeper than reading “People Magazine” and even then only on flights. I like “Who’s Now?” and as frivilous as it is, it speaks to a huge number of people, and it’s the kind of things old newspaper guys like Peter and myself usually don’t indulge in…But this, for me, has been a treat. I wasn’t ordered to do it, wasn’t nudged to do it… And I volunteered to do it again for the next round; too bad for me the schedule won’t permit…”
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July 16th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Wilbon has drunk the Bristol Kool Aid. >:
July 16th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
wilbon and ann coulter. who knew?
July 16th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Wait…Peter King is a serious football writer again?
I refuse to believe that Wilbon is liking his time on Who’s Now. His eyes cannot lie to me.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Is that Ann Coulter? If I saw her, I’d run her over with my car..and then back up.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Who is Peter King to cast stones? Good lord, with the utter crap that he writes about.
And I agree, if you make a deal with the devil you have to dance to their tune sometimes. Whether it’s the Budweiser Hot Seat (ouch, ouch, such burning questions) or Who’s Now, it’s the price you pay for ca$hing the big checks.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Criticism from a guy who writes about coffee every Monday while stating the obvious about the NFL.
Never seen the show myself and cannot understand why ppl are bitching about it, just don’t watch and it’ll get canced like all the other pigs they’ve tried flying.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
com’on wilbon. so writing about coffee, your daughter’s softball games and how you roll on planes each week like king does is “serious?”
to quote bill o’reilly, “you’re spinning mr. wilbon.”
July 16th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Hey Peter, whoever thought up the idea to write about his bowel movements in a national sports column also needs a reality check.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Didn’t even notice if it was Coulter or not, but egad, that’s bad. The other chick is a supreme self-promoter who Gawker pokes fun at on a daily basis. She photographs well but isn’t anything special in person.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Peter King talking smack about anyone else is high comedy.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Peter King is an idiot. Although this “Who’s Now” promotion is absolutely ridiculous, he obviously is missing the point of the whole thing. Matt Leinert was included because he was a rock star when he was in college and he banged Paris Hilton.
King did not know who The Killers (crap band) or Dane Cook (Crappier Comic) were. He is obviously not Now.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Here’s what I wanna know, how come when the “ladies…” blog does a bracket style tournament trying to determine who the “hottest” blogger is, all the blogs (well most) get all giggly like little girls and promote the heck out of it (at least for the first two rounds anyway), but then when ESPN decide’s to launch “Who’s now”, the bloggers all claim it is the stupidest thing ever to be aired on tv. From what I can tell, the young kids actually enjoy “who’s now” - and realistically, isn’t that who ESPN should be targetting? After all - that’s when they realed all of us in. When we were young, ESPN was the bomb, we watched every possible hour we could.
Anyway, I kind of thought both ideas were stupid. What I’m curious to know is why in the eyes of the bloggers (and now mainstream media as well) - one is cool, exciting and neat, and the other is a complete waste of time. Can anyone explain this to me?
July 16th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
that’s not coulter….no adam’s apple on that chick.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
1. He didn’t really take a shot at Wilbon, was just commenting on the bad spot the four letters have put a really good report in.
2. Who’s Now is one only second to eight years of WNBA in the pantheon of ridiculous ESPN decisions.
3. Who knew Charlotte from ‘Sex in the City’ was thick like that?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Hey TBL, who are the two ladies?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
“Who’s Now is one only second to eight years of WNBA in the pantheon of ridiculous ESPN decisions.”
Actually, it is third - with the WNBA being second and the first being some dipshit in Bristol giving the greenlight to hand Stephen A. Smith a live microphone in lieu of a fresh bag of Cheese Doodles.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I think Point “i” is the funniest thing I’ve seen today. A fatass like King lamenting on the disgusting nature of a gorging contest in the Nathan’s Hot Dog Challenge at Coney Island. It’s one thing to mock a competition that is loosley defined as sport when it involves pounding hotdogs, but doesnt peter king weigh nearly 300 pounds himself, and shouldnt he be the last authority on what counts as disgusting eating habbits? Kobyashi can probably bench peter king himself. It is another different thing altogether though when you mock an american tradition, regardless of how stupid it may be. That is what tradition is all about, nearly every family tradition i have i would probably be embarassed to express with anyone other than family, but that doesnt mean there isnt value and fun in it, just like the hot dog contest. I really just think PK is a monkey’s ass and think it sucks he is the formost opinion on the NFL. hypocricy has long passed its breaking point with me.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Wilbon needs to stop hanging around the corner of Polk & O’Farrell Street in San Francisco’s Tenderloin District.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Left is Julia Allison … she has a blog. Not sure who is on right, but it may be Ann Coulter.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Riggs, excellent point, I was thinking the same thing when I opened the comment section; bloggers love their contests and mini-tournaments. I’m tired of blogs bashing ESPN and then turning around and doing the same type of things on a smaller scale.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
the point is that sports are utterly meaningless and nobody should be taking them seriously at all. i agree the ‘who’s now’ segment is lame, but i just avoid watching it, i don’t get all indignant and self righteous, because then i would be falling into the trap of believing that sports, and espn, are things that actually matter. they’re not.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Fan of the stems
July 16th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Ann Coulter wishes she looked that good. It can’t be her, because there’s no discernible adam’s apple in that photo. Plus, Ann is 46 or 47 years old.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Usually I’m against all the ESPN bashing and typically enjoy most stuff on ESPN, but come on ‘Who’s Now’ is lame. The commenters look so awkward every single argument. It just seems like a waste of time, but then again what is Sportscenter to do now that they attempt to fill in an hour of programming and only have baseball to show.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
That is not Ann Coulter on the right because…
1) Ann Coulter never smiles.
2) Ann Coulter’s jawbone is hardened.
3) Ann Coulter’s adam’s apple is disgustingly manly.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
That is not Ann Coulter on the right because…
1) Ann Coulter never smiles.
2) Ann Coulter’s jawbone is hardened.
3) Ann Coulter’s adam’s apple is disgustingly manly.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Can you really compare a blog competition of ‘hot bloggers’ to a daily feature ESPN is running this summeR?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Yes, you’re right - the blonde looks younger than Coulter.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I have an idea to fill an hour of time. If anyone else has ever seen the MOJO channel on comcast HD, there is a program called timeless that tells the untold, unfamous, actually heart moving sports stories. This weekend for example, the talked about the tradition of Kahuku football on Oahu’s north shore of hawaii. its a poor school that has deep tradition and challenges for the state title yearly despite being one of the poorest schools in the entire country. The show was an hour or a half hour i think, but it documented their incredibly inspiring story to winning state again, this time defeating a super rich school from honolulu i think. anyways, great show and i encourage everyone to check it out if you are lucky enough to get MOJO. Sick Channel. there is also another phat show on Mojo called the show, that documents the progress of 6 major league prospects in various levels of the diamondbacks organization. great interviews, games, training, all around the best baseball presentation of storylines ive ever seen not in a movie. Carlos quentin and several others are the main characters talking about their real-life story of trying to make it in baseball.
How bout 2 hours of that each day? i know it would require espn to actually work, but people, if you look hard, there is actually starting to be GOOD shows about sports taht are coming from places other than the X-WWL. You just gotta look and try it out, anyone else seen either of these two shows?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Not that I care either way about this, I am not a fan of Who’s Now but I just don’t watch it so it doesn’t effect my mental well being, but Peter King is ragging on Wilpon when in his column today he wrote, “I think if I’m Mike Vick, I feel the hot breath of Brian Brohm, or some other wunderkind, on my shoulder as training camp begins.” I mean come on Pete…how much gayer could that have been…do you notice this when you write it and it is a joke to yourself that you dropped that in a sentence or is Wilpon right and your that serious about what you write and don’t see the homoerotic sentences you create?
July 16th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Yeah anyone saying that a blog competition is comparable to ESPN running something on their Sportscenter program is just foolish. It’s like CNN running a story from The National Enquirer (that is, not to say, many of the blogs don’t do as well a job with their journalism as ESPN). As the leading sports reporting arm, ESPN has some sort of responsibility to make their content sensical and reputable…..but it is the 4-letter so what do we expect?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
I think the difference between the brackets bloggers do (e.g. hot blogger with Ladies…) and what ESPN is trying to do is the intent. Bloggers want, I believe, these things to be humorous and funny, whereas ESPN is being completely serious and running it every day for a month or however long it is. Bloggers look at it as an exercise in comedy, which is why they come up with crazy things like Deadspin’s Sportshuman of the Year (SHOTY) or The Big Picture’s Who Woud You Do tournament. ESPN is completely serious about this, and if they aren’t it’s the worst joke in history. The only person I know who can carry off telling a bad joke repeatedly and then it becoming somewhat funny is David Letterman. David Letterman, ESPN is not.
Moreover, who wouldn’t get all giddy about the hot blogger contest. Bloggers create the blogsposher content, but this content is about them. Everybody likes to get their name in the proverbial lights sometime.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
I’m not a doctor, but shouldn’t that girl on the left have a vagina? I mean, shouldn’t either her vagina or her underpants be showing that high?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
It’s funny, but Wilbon implied on Tony Kornheiser’s last radio broadcast last month that it was a contractual obligation. He said he liked the idea, but also dropped a hint that it is an obligation.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Is Michael Wilbon supposed to be embarrassed about that photo? He took a picture with two women, smiling for the camera. So what?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
I took part in the Ladies…’ HBB. Ap and Fan’s Attic are right. It was done in a completely humorous manner. The comments section was lively, and it was more of a way to foolishly poke fun at your blogging peers. Not a way to put them on some proverbial pedestool.
We had fun with the HBB. But we weren’t shoving it in everyone’s faces.
Who’s Now is at the other end of the spectrum. Small blogs discuss the music that they like/are listening to right now, so is that comparable to MTv’s TRL? Doubtful…
July 16th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
when wilbon signed his new deal, part of it, he said, was to do “more things” at the network.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
The fact of the matter is bloggers are just that much smarter, more funny and more important than anyone at ESPN, SI or any major corporation. And any blog that becomes way successful sucks, too. Underground rules!!!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
I can’t get on King too much. He doesn’t bag on Wilbon, more sympathsizes that his talents are being wasted on this fluff.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Sympathsizes? Me fail English? That’s unpossible!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Steve’s right!
July 16th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
hypocrites? when i go to sports blogs i really do not give a damn who is supposed to be hot. i want a good take on the sports stories and good comments.
any good blog wants to get credit and be regarded as crediable, informative, and funny. oh yeah, i forget they also show hot chicks.
you hold the msm to high standards, but when it is time to hold you guys to any type of standard you go back to the underground and we are having fun bullshit. how many of you called out any blogs that were wrong on a story, that you would have called out the msm for the same thing. deadspin=puljos did steroids or 100% injury rate=arron brooks supposedly throwing up gang signs.
you want the perks, you should have to be held to the standards.
underground rules? then why are you here at tbl, deadspin, edsbs, with leather, or ksk. they made the underground, but once you get credit for something by the msm you are not underground.
anyone who believes deadspin, tbl, edsbs, with leather, or ksk is underground have been smoking something. and i can have a hit?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Your handle is funny. The deadspin commenters think they are hilarious. Every one of Will’s posts is followed by an American Idol-like competition of “who can make the funniest comment.”
Anyway, this is off topic, but if I get fired for drooling over pics of Kim Kardishian all day, I completely blame TBL. Also, thank you for introducing me to her.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
exactly, deadspin, tbl, edsbs, ksk and with leather are bigger than blogs at this point. but they are good and what they do, so that is why they are no longer underground. they may want to be underground, but they are not.
so if underground rules, do you go to the other sites beside tbl?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
now that wilbon is doing this, you go to 4th grade and say those are men? so orginal.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
That is most certainly not Ann Coulter. She wouldn’t be caught near a black man.
The commenting on Deadspin is so bad I don’t even bother reading it anymore. Jokes are good. Bad jokes and lots of them… not so much. I like TBL’s site because most folks have something to say. And the jokes here are much funnier! Not a knock on Deadspin, I know they are trying to correct some issues with the commenting, but it’s gotten to the point where everyone is competing to get an invite to write for KSK. Big Daddy Drew and The Maj probably aren’t looking for clones.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
IWTCOD -
While “underground” is impossible to define (everyone has their own), I would think that even using the loosest defination, there is no way Deadspin and TBL can be considered underground. Deadspin is backed by Gawker. TBL might have had that, but with their stated goal of getting X amount of hits (1,000,000?) a month by October, then they are obviously popular enough.
And really, I don’t give a shit. Deadspin, TBL, and KSK are frequent stops during my day.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
the deadspin redesign has made me stop going to the site very often anymore.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
you proved my point, they are good and not underground. i go to them many times a day. however, this underground is bullshit. deadspin, i love will leitch don’t ge me wrong, but he is the only good thing at deadspin. even most of the orignals don’t post there unless it is something big. even mjd got the hell out of there.
i always thought i was the only one who realized deadspin is just as msm as anyone else. but some bloggers and commentators act like they are so underground.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Are you kidding? I’d fucking love a clone! I could make it do all sorts of whacky shit.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
IWTCOD,
I was being sarcastic with the “underground rules” comment. Like KC Resident said, TBL and Deadspin aren’t exactly underground anymore, and I still read the two everyday.
I was kinda just making fun of some blogs, or more specifically, blog commenters, who just hate on everyone and everything that is remotely successful. Basically, I have way too much time on my hands…
July 16th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
long day, missed that one. but i am so sick of that if you are good, you should not have to give good deals just to be “underground”. armchairgm is exaclty like that.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
I’d heard a bit about “Who’s Now?” in the last week or so, but saw the first segment today. I’m all about not taking ourselves too seriously, which is why I have “Separated at Birth” (look-alike) and “Is it a Sport?” debate features on my blog.
But for a major sports news organization to waste so much airtime on a meaningless competition of this nature is absurd. I’m fine with them running polls on the Web site and announcing the results, but anything beyond that is just bad journalism.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:51 am
What is ESPN but People magazine.
Scott is the worst of them, what a jock sniffing dork. Taking a football right in the eye for his craft, chugging the schlongs of the sports elite, guy’s are good at running fast and throwing balls.
Kind of ridiculous when you place all this shit in context, and that’s ESPN’s worst nightmare, to become irrelevant. Gotta keep that Disney stock price up.
Corporate whores…
July 17th, 2007 at 2:56 am
Hey geniuses:
If you right click on the picture and view the URL it says who each of the people in the picture is.
The blond is named Krystal Kahler.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:27 am
I understand the arguments here, and that is part of the reason I like TBL’s comment section. It’s always very good. I wasn’t accusing the blogosphere of being hypocrites, I just thought it was interesting that the blogs can have silly (yes… it was silly) competitions and it is considered cool, funny, or humorous or a way to promote themselves, and that’s considered OK. But if ESPN puts together a silly (or… just plain stupid in this case) competition, the bloggers are all over it.
But truthfully - I like a good debate to, and I’m happy we had a good one going on here. I love TBL - probably my favorite blog out there - they are “fair and balanced”, and don’t seem to get involved in silly competitions simply to promote themselves.
I also think ESPN deserves all the criticism it is getting in this case.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:37 am
TBL, as to your comment about the comparison–true, at least sports bloggers usually know when to quit when they aren’t funny or interesting (except me, of course, heh). In the end, though, there are a few too many blogs who bash ESPN every time they do something not fully based in the sports world–and then turn around and do lots of non-sports things on their own blog. You guys don’t claim to be a sports-only blog, though, so that’s fair to point that out.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:38 am
Oh no, Riggs is backing out, I’ve lost my comment argument wingman. Mayday! Mayday!
July 17th, 2007 at 4:17 am
“In the end, though, there are a few too many blogs who bash ESPN every time they do something not fully based in the sports world-and then turn around and do lots of non-sports things on their own blog. You guys don’t claim to be a sports-only blog, though, so that’s fair to point that out.”
Plus a lot of blogs are satirical in nature.
July 17th, 2007 at 5:04 am
I agree with the sentiments brought up here. Everyone rags on that “Who’s Now” thing (and for good reason), but didn’t TBL come up with an equally contrived, equally un-funny bracket style tournament in which one of the number 1 seeds was Jessica Biel’s ass?
July 17th, 2007 at 5:15 am
How narrow does your life have to be to care about any of this crap? What next, Deford vs. Dr. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz? Screw ‘em all.
July 17th, 2007 at 5:18 am
ESPN is always desperate to fill air time in the summer and hence they came up the humongous pile of crap that is “Who’s Now”. In the past they’ve had “Who’s #1″, the My Wish segments, the Sportscenter in ever state thing, etc. I’m not surprised anymore as to what qualifies as sports/news on ESPN anymore, certainly not in the summer, but this for me has sunk to a new low.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Everyone can complain about Who’s Now all they want, but you all know you’ll be watching if not every mathcup at least see who wins and talk about it till then to a week after… ESPN (can I even write that on a blog, legally?) has gotten another one on over on us…. As for whoever said DANE COOK was funny was a moron. Dane is a terrible hack is nothing but lame generic college humor spouted off in a Jim Carey- like spasm. His material is weak. I don’t understand his appeal. Chris Rock is more now than Dane Cook if you’re talking about who’s going to be seen as the comic of this generation. (It’s him Seinfeld, Jon Stewart) not Cook or Patton Oswalt
July 17th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Yes, Goose. It was fun!
We’ve got some positive ESPN news coming, just in case there are those of you who think we ‘don’t like’ ESPN
July 17th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Peter king taking himself seriously???? no way wilbon!
July 17th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
One word for this….Pimp-Daddy.