Green Bay and Chicago Are in Trouble, Time to Flip those NFC North Panic Switches
NFL, Video November 9th. 2009, 2:21pm
Remember back before the NFL season began when the NFC North was supposed to be a three-way “battle” between the Vikings, Packers and Bears? After yesterday’s events - the Packers falling to previously winless Tampa Bay and the Bears getting annihilated by Arizona - that kind of talk seems like a distant memory. Green Bay and Chicago both sit at 4-4, and the odds of either team making the playoffs at this point aren’t great.
New Orleans and Minnesota are playoff locks, and Arizona should be able to hold on to the craptastic NFC West. The NFC East is still muddled, but will likely send at least two teams to the postseason. That leaves the Bears and Packers scrambling alongside the third-place NFC East team and the Falcons for the last playoff bid. At least the Packers have already faced - and lost to - the Vikings twice; the Bears have yet to play the 7-1 NFC North leaders.
So, what’s gone wrong? Why have these preseason contenders led by upper-crust young quarterbacks been so underwhelming? Here’s a few of their problems (which, if you have a pulse, you’re already aware of):
1. Their defenses suck: The 2006 Bears rode the league’s second-best defense (and the arm of Rex Grossman!) to a Super Bowl. Since then, that unit has deteriorated to the point where the Cardinals rang up 31 first-half points on the Bears Sunday, just two weeks after the Bengals scored an identical amount in the first 30 minutes. Even the Saints can’t afford to spot teams 30-point leads. As for the Packers, well, their defense last year was so terrible they overhauled the entire scheme, bringing in Defensive Coordinator to the Stars Dom Capers and his 3-4 look. So far that “look” has been gashed for at least three TD passes by Brett Favre (twice), along with immortal rookie QB Josh Freeman.
2. Their offensive lines suck: Giving up 4.5 sacks to Jared Allen (as the Packers did in their first meeting with Minnesota) isn’t great, but he’s an All Pro. Giving up SIX sacks to the league’s 24th-ranked defense? There’s not a lawyer in the world who could convince me that’s okay. Conversely, the Bears allowing four sacks to the Cardinals is understandable, given that they were down by 20+ points most of the game and the Arizona defensive line could tee off on Jay Cutler. What’s troubling about the Bears’ offensive line is that other than a 61-yard run against the Lions in week four, running back Matt Forte’s longest runs of each game have been 10 yards, five yards, 11 yards, five yards, 10 yards, 12 yards and 16 yards. He’s not getting to the second level, which means no holes are being created at the point of attack. Not good.
3. Their QB’s are great, but they can’t do it all: Cutler and Aaron Rodgers have combined to throw for 30 TD passes in the 16 games they’ve played this season. That’s a lot of production. The problem is many of those TD throws have come when their teams have been trailing and they’ve been forced to play chuck-it-up (think Rodgers’ three vs. Minnesota last week and Cutler’s three yesterday vs. Arizona). Another issue is the punishment the two signal-callers are taking. Rodgers suffered two sprains against Minnesota and was knocked down nearly 10 times against Tampa Bay. Cutler was bloodied by the Cleveland Browns a week ago and hit eight times by the Cardinals. Great quarterbacks (which Cutler and Rodgers both have the talent to be) can carry teams for stretches of time, so long as they’re winning. But constant punishment and constant losing can turn anyone into David Carr.
Now, add all that together and you get:
Jim Zorn and Tom Cable have some company on the hot seat: Lovie Smith’s Super Bowl appearance in 2006 and Mike McCarthy’s 13-3 season in 2007 bought both of them short-term job insurance. But two straight playoff misses by Smith and McCarthy’s 6-10 disaster in 2008, combined with high expectations for their teams this season, have each coach facing a crossroads. Another 7-9 or 9-7 season probably won’t be enough to save Smith in Chicago. As for McCarthy, if the geriatric in purple is in the playoffs and the Packers are sitting at home, someone’s going to have to take the fall. And it probably won’t be Ted Thompson.
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November 9th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Aaron Rodgers has not proven to be “great”.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Article is about 4 weeks late on Chicago.
/timing is everything
November 9th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
You didn’t blame Lovie enough.
/mrejr’d
November 9th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
This is the best post in TBL history
November 9th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
none of anything going wrong is lovie’s fault.none of it. ever. he is an awesome coach. he exudes confidence on the sideline and seems to have answers for everything. emotional leader of the team.
/sc’d
November 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Aaron Rodgers has regressed significantly. If you’re going to hold the ball forever you’ve got to move at some point, he just stands there. He’s not seeing the field and not delivering the ball when its there. I know the team has other issues and I certainly dont place all the blame on him, but he’s not helping the situation.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Also, several Packer diehards at my workplace insist that McCarthy will be there as long as Thompson is GM. They’re Taylor-McHale II.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
kurt warner proved to be a hall of famer once again
November 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Lovie, Fox, Wade Phillips, Norv Turner. Hell who isn’t on the hotseat?
November 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
My NFC North panic switch has been flipped for 7 years.
/Lions fan’d
November 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
The defense is beat up, mrejr. Lovie hasn’t done much of anything since the Superbowl, but this year he does have an excuse for the suck.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Only people with 7 fantasy teams last year think Rodgers and Cutler are great.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Watching most of the game yesterday, whomever is playing GB is dropping 7 into coverage knowing that the front 4 will get there even if GB keeps a back/TE to help. So, you have 7 people covering 4, and it becomes real difficult to find somebody open.
Rodgers has been decent, not great, and isn’t getting any help either. His one pick yesterday was on a bomb he threaded between 3 defenders that hit Jennings in the hands, and then bounced to the TB defender.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Stylez G White was a beast yesterday
November 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Aaron Rodgers has regressed significantly. If you’re going to hold the ball forever you’ve got to move at some point, he just stands there. He’s not seeing the field and not delivering the ball when its there.
If you keep being forced to switch to max protection, there’s no checkdown right away. But I agree, he takes a lot of terrible sacks.
The Oline is atrocious, though. Can’t run block, can’t pass block.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
That’s just a preliminary hotseat for Wade Phillips. If the Cowboys manage to miss the playoffs, he’ll be gone, but he’ll stick around if they do make it.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I still think Rodgers is good, but that O-line is disaster-tastic
November 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Irish - you or I could get past Barbre. That dude is a turnstile
November 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
were expectations even that high for chicago this year?
November 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
More importantly, the all-white uniforms the Bears wear blow tremendously.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Brad Childress
/cries
November 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
The more the Lions suck, The better Barry Sanders looks as maybe the best back ever. 40 years before Barry = garbage. Sanders 10 years = playoff team. 10 years after Barry = Epic garbage.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Pretty sure he has to win at least one.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
JAY CUTLER IS THE GREATEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO CHICAGO!!!
/I’d say they were a little high
November 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I called Peter King on my cell phone, and he said “Listen, the Bears will be in the Super Bowl this year!”
November 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
you just wanted to type his name.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Wade’s riding high right now. It’s not December yet in Dallas, and they’ve still got 7 games they should feel comfortable they can win. Not that they’ll win 7, but you know what I mean.
To miss the playoffs, Dallas has to lose at least 4 of their remaining games, but probably 5. That’s a lot when you draw Oakland, Washington twice, and reeling green bay.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Darrell would like to introduce you to Emmitt Smith, who Barry Sanders, sadly, could not sniff the jock of.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
What do you want - he has CHI at .500. That’s WAY above his teams’ typical success rate.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Poor Cutler, everywhere he goes the defenses suck.
Until he leaves anyway (/Broncos’d).
November 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
you just wanted to type his name
i was at the game yesterday. he was all ovah
@roeth- i would just push him over
November 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Didn’t Vandy have a winning season the year AFTER Cutler left?
November 9th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
This should result in a beating consisting of a sock full of pool balls upside the dome. Also a bannin is in order here.
/oh my
November 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Dallas will be 9-2 after thanksgiving dinner.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
this is funny if true but tennessee won it all the year after peyton left so…
November 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
he was just passing on the latest text and tweet from former, current, and future all time great chicago QB jay cutler.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
What, are you gonna trot out those same tired old cliches like “Sanders never had any help”? Puh-lease. He had Scott Mitchell for crying out loud!
November 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
it’s not true, they were 1 game better.
Spurrier was Peyton’s daddy.
agreed.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Jay Cutler is a reason for hope just not this year. Unfortunately the Bears have a turner as oc and it isnt norv. nope. it is his retarded brother with no obvious coaching talent. someone is leaving after this season. lovie or ron. book it.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
barry sanders owes his entire career to herman moore
November 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Not one Silversun Pickups mention? Damn, people…
November 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
hey taguchi did you see my response to your V question last night? it was right when a new post went up.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
if they were smart they would fire both their asses right now and get in that coaches carousel line
November 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Don’t count out the Niners.
I also see that mrejr has enrolled in night classes for Spencer’s hyperbole class.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
barry sanders owes his entire career to herman moore
Barry learned everything he knows from Thurman Thomas
November 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
i agree but it wont happen. shanny would do wonders for forte’s career.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
November 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
This.
And this… are more problematic than THIS.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Wayne Fontes made Barry, not the other way around.
/if we are all saying retarded shit…
November 9th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Mind blown.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Johnnie Morton and Scott Mitchell are furious right now.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
If you can convince Queen McCaskey to eat $9M of Lovie’s remaining salary, then I’m all for it YYSA. Turner is only onwed $1M next season. He’ll exit after this season or near the end of it.
Smith will not be fired. Period.
Blamed? Sure. Deservedly so? Somewhat.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Sanders wasn’t exactly a red-zone monster, though.
/Ducks
November 9th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
JAY CUTLER IS THE GREATEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO CHICAGO!!!
Jay Cutler is the greatest thing that ever happened to Santa Claus, IN!!!
/Has hated Cutler since High School
November 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
This went on for like an hour one night at TBL After Dark. I wish I was kidding.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
can he fix it though? can he win the super bowl? that is what a head coach is supposed to do. fix problems and win super bowls. i dont think he can do either. so what do we do just let him have 9-7 or 10-6 seaosns every year? no let’s start over. preferably with a coach who has won something on the nfl level.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
barry sanders owes his entire career to herman moore
A sampling of Lions starting QB’s from 1989 - 1998: Batch, Mitchell, Reich, Majkowski, Krieg, Kramer, Peete, Ware, Gagliano.
/Emmitt Smith owes his career to Michael Irvin.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Wouldnt say the Packers defense sucks. Last four weeks they have given up one touchdown on a drive greater than 70 yards. Awful special teams leads to terrible defensive field position and doesn’t leave you much room for error. That said, Kampman dropping back into coverage is a terrible, terrible thing.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
dude had 27 rushing td’s his first two years in the league before Fontes took his goalline carries away from him.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I would say the Bears’ major problem is that Lovie is calling the defensive plays and they look completely lost on that side of the ball. Part of it is they’re just getting outplayed, but a lot of it is bad positioning to begin with. After a while, and 46 straight crossing routes completed in front of the LB’s, you’d think he’d mix it up.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I seem to recall the Bears outbidding the Washington Redskins for the most sought after coach after they let Mike Ditka go…
That man’s name? Dave Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnstadt.
Mike Tomlin never won anything at the NFL level before Pittsburgh hired him. Neither did Bill Belichick before the Patriots got him. Unless we’re plucking Bill Parcells out of the Dolphins front office, there isn’t a coach out there that can fix the problems the Bears have by drawing some different things on a chalkboard.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
fontes wanted to pad jason hansons stats
November 9th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Make sure to sign up for jpq’s sarcasism detection class.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
A sampling of Lions starting QB’s from 1989 - 1998: Batch, Mitchell, Reich, Majkowski, Krieg, Kramer, Peete, Ware, Gagliano
Capt Comeback Frank Reich is a legend!!
November 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I will continue to point my finger at Jerry Angelo before I lay blame on Lovie Smith. If you want to can them both and blow the whole thing up, that’s fine too.
The Bears have about a season and a half to put some confidence into their franchise QB before he starts crying for a trade again.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Soo, who signs Lary Johnson? Nobody? the CFL? the UFL?
/I’m leaning towards nobody.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
there isn’t a coach out there that can fix the problems the Bears have by drawing some different things on a chalkboard.So you’re saying they shouldn’t have traded away 2 first and 2 3rd round picks for a whiny turnover machine? I thought he was so good he would cover up those warts?
/known Cutler hater
November 9th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
SC so that is what the head coach does is just draw shit on a chalkboard? why are you firmly on lovie bandwagon so much? there are plenty of coaches out there who have better resumes than lovie.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Name the last great draft pick Jerry Angelo for the Bears that was a consistent impact player.
I’ll wait.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
hey coop how did the steelers do this season against the team that the whiny turnover machine plays for? oh they lost? ok just wondering.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
did he draft Urlacher, spalding?
November 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
CLE, WAS or OAK make the most sense, as they typically overpay for washed up former stars
November 9th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Don’t be giving Cutler credit for Jeff Reed’s failures.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I’m not. I just think there’s a lot of delusional Bears fans out there that have it ranked #1 on the list of problems with the Bears instead of #10 or #15 like it should be.
Like Sanders pointed out… the O-Line sucks. The defenses are terrible. The nice thing for the Packers is they have picks in the next few years to fill holes. The Bears have… no picks and traded their only first day pick this year for Gaines Adams.
This leaves them with 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round choices. Jerry Angelo drafted GARRETT WOLFE in the 3rd round. The draft success isn’t there. The player development (see Gaines, Michael and Vasher, Nathan) isn’t there. We’ll end up having to buy an O-Lineman much like we did with John Tait and they have awful contracts on defense with Urlacher and Vasher.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Devin Hester. Then Lovie took him off punt returns. He’s now a decent #2 WR.
Outside of that? Matt Forte, maybe? He’s only in year two. Lance Briggs would be the only other one.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
did he draft Urlacher, spalding?
No, Angelo joined the Bears in 2001.
Here’s a thought no one from the 2005 Bears draft is on the team.
Angelo is retarded.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Emmitt > Barry
November 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
27-38 236 yds 2 TD
a win is a win oh and in case you were wondering
big ben went
23-35 221 yds 1 TD 1INT 1 rush td and lost
November 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Yeah, the Urlacher and Vasher contracts were killers, as was the untimely demise of Tommie Harris and the unexpectedly significant departures of Chris Harris and Mike Brown. That, and Mark Anderson being a one-year wonder hurt, too.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
no Darrell, no. That’s not true in any reality. None. This is the last we speak of this. Period.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
and Bob Sanders being a 2-year wonder hurt, too
November 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Emmitt > Barry
it’s apples and oranges. Most of these retards making their arguments never saw Barry anyway, or only when they were teeny lads.
I’ll take Eric Dickerson, anyway.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
In the world outside of video highlights and Madden 94; Emmitt > Barry, period.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Ouch. Hey, two Pro Bowls, playing a large part in a Super Bowl title and a Defensive PLayer of the Year award aren’t too shabby. Funny joke, though. How’d the Magic do last night?
November 9th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
sc i think lovie is higher on the list than 10 or 15 yes angelo is a higher priority but lovie should be a defensive coordinator not a head coach. he is out of his depth and it is effecting his playcalling with the defense. he just isnt a head coach.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I agree.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
How’d the Magic do last night?
lost
November 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Lance Briggs would be the only other one.
One guy. Hester is a trick pony.
And he’s been in charge since 2001!!!
That’s horrible.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
At being overrated? I agree.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Dorsett>Emmitt
November 9th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Chuck Muncie’s goggles>Dickserson’s goggles
November 9th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I’m not defending Angelo, Spalding. You asked a question. I gave an answer.
I don’t think he’s been successful as a general manager either.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Not getting into this with you or anyone else that believes that nonsense. I watched Barry’s games. I watched Emmitt’s games. Barry was better, even in head to head games. I just don’t respect any arguement to the contrary.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
In the world outside of video highlights and Madden 94; Emmitt > Barry, period.
In the real world where Emmitt had an All Pro line, QB an WR and Sanders had crap.
Barry>>>>>Emmitt
November 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Ottis Anderson > Barry Sanders
November 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
This, aaaannd….
This.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Walter over both of em.
/slams gavel
//ends discussion
November 9th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I’m not defending Angelo, Spalding
SC- didn’t mean to jump down your throat. But I don’t know if you are in Chicago, all the media and fans are killing Cutler and Lovie and no ones says anything about moron Angel.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Not getting into this with you or anyone else that believes that nonsense. I watched Barry’s games. I watched Emmitt’s games. Barry was better, even in head to head games. I just don’t respect any arguement to the contrary.
I wasn’t directing that at you, Mak. As you know, I am aware of who and what you are. I was directing it at the 20 somethings who refuse to believe that Barry Sanders wasn’t an immortal who never made a bad play. They act like there’s no way a running back could bear in iota of responsibility for a 5 yard loss. That act like Herman Moore and Brett Perriman couldn’t catch, or that Detroit using the run and shoot was somehow a hindrance to Barry Sanders.
They ran that offense because they had Barry Sanders.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I am. And concur. I can’t listen to the radio because of it. Drives me insane. They’ve made an investment in Cutler… that’s fine. Now, put the parts around him so he can be successful.
I agree that Jerry Angelo isn’t the guy to put the correct parts in place. I just don’t know who is. I don’t know GMs but I do know that Jerry Angelo’s track record is poor.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Maybe I’m naive, but I’ve always thought Marshall Faulk was one of the most versatile and effective offensive weapons of all time. And does anyone who isn’t a Bears fan think Payton was the greatest RB ever?
November 9th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
people who know football do.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
All very true, well written.
/selective reader
November 9th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I hate the Bears, ask mrejr. But I think he’s top 3, guy was nasty.
But in case any of you have missed Sportscenter recently, Adrian Peterson is the best of all time.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Uh huh.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Jim Brown was the greatest. Thanks for coming
November 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
well i know for a fact faulk isnt the greatest running back ever.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Seconded.
1. Jim
2. Barry
3. Walter
76. Emmitt
November 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I’m no Bears fan, but Sweetness was right up there. Pretty much nothing he couldn’t do. He was also literally the *only* thing those ’70s/early ’80s Chicago teams had on offense and still made it rain.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
the only other running back in the greatest category other than walter payton.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I don’t respect any arguments for Sanders that consists of nonsense such as Barry not having any help and other such garbage. Lets cut the dumb shit already. This is the NFL, Barry didn’t get 2000 yards on his own. Also, Emmitt made that line look every bit as good as they made him look, because they knew where he was going to be unlike Barry and his undisciplined running.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Get Barry Sanders off that list. He cracks the top 150, maybe.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Problem with Faulk is he played alongside a white Christian quarterback with a great “feel good” story. Faulk had to chance at getting the attention he deserved.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I do.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Faulk played with Tebow?
November 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Ha ha ha. I know, and Romo is the best QB in the league. Replace number 2 with Emmitt?
No, only 1800 of them. Go watch some NFL classic games with Barry playing, the whole thing, and then come back and talk this nonsense of him and Emmitt having the same environment to run in.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Pretty sure that’s Jason Campbell.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Stylez G White was a beast yesterday
best name ever. that in combination with the unicorn/face painter bucs fan caused much hilarity at the bar
November 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
1) Walter-best football player ever.
Jim Brown got to run against guys like Art Donovan. I like Brown, but this is like Bill Russell playing against mediocre competion.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
You have Matt Ryan as better than Big Ben, so of course I’ll listen to you.I watched enough games of Barry as they happened, I don’t need NFL Classic. If you believe a running back can get 1800 yards in the NFL without a line, you’re just foolish. But while you’re watching NFL Classic, you make sure you catch the Dallas game against the Giants when Emmitt runs for 200 on the Giants with a busted shoulder. Take stock on the number of yards he was gaining after first contact while running with that shoulder. Take further stock of him catching the rock out of the backfield with that shoulder and then you get back to me and tell me he was nothing but a creation of his line.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
They were successful running that offense because of him.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Darrell, that kid is in high school. He has no clue what he’s talking about. Not a whit. He’s too young to have even seen Emmitt Smith play with the Cardinals.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Unicorn guy was the best. In fact, unicorn guy > Barry Sanders.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Probably doesn’t remember the Berlin wall coming down either.
/20 years today
//you’d have to be at least 30 to really remember it
///fuck i feel old
November 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Hyberbole to prove a point eludes you.
Emmitt was the most durable back of all-time, thus the records. No one can question that.
Call me young, but I’m old enough to be your daddy.
/Trust me, I was there
/Emmitt is the reason I picked up football, but thanks for making that hilarious joke about me being young that didn’t have any connection to the topic. Brilliant. Good stuff.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I’m not going to argue with someone who was still running around with a coloring book in his back pocket during that period of time.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
scott laidlaw>craig james
only white TBs I can think of
November 9th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
but Darrell, he’s seen the tape! Him and Jaws, I guess, sit in the NFL films vault and break down film together.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I can use eyes (game film with Jaws) or stats.
Even if the O-Line was identical, which it wasn’t, here are the career numbers:
Barry- 5.0 ypc
Emmitt- 4.2 ypc
I’m done with you ninnies, I’m late for 6th period.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I’m done with you ninnies, I’m
late for 6thgetting my period./fixed, you high school girl
November 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Personal attack!
November 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
That’s just mean-sprited- but it’s okay, buddy. I won’t hold it against you. You’re not mad at me, you’re just mad at yourself.
And as the gradeschool kid, shouldn’t I be the one resorting to name calling because I can’t defend myself otherwise?
November 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Personal attack!
That’s my bread and butter move.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Gotta love when people say “you’re too young” because they don’t have an actual argument.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I’ve had the actual argument a million times with people who actually watched the football games, and how seasons unfolded when they happened.
My specific argument is that Smith v Sanders is an apples to oranges comparison, and that people who wish to argue it based on the fact that a game came on the NFL Network once and they watched a couple of minutes of it are not worth arguing with.
This guy is arguing that he’s seen the film, which is his counter argument to being too young to have actually seen any games. And that’s not ludicrous?
November 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Gale Sayers>universe
November 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
It would be ludicrous, if he was in fact too young to have seen the games.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Are you saying it is true that you had to have watched something as it happened to have more knowledge about it?
November 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
When do you start getting credit? Because I can remember the 1979 Superbowl, and rooting against the Steelers. Does that make me an expert on Vince Ferragamo?
Feel free to use wikipedia to find out who Vince Ferragamo is before answering.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I guess that blockquote was unwarranted. I see what you mean about what he said being ludicrous.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Are you saying it is true that you had to have watched something as it happened to have more knowledge about it?
as opposed to not having watched it, and only claiming to have had, and then spending time at profootballreference to make your points, yes, it certainly helps.
If you watched the Sportscenter highlights of last night’s Cowboys Eagles game, do you know what happened? Not completely you don’t.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
First off, I told someone else to go watch the film. I actually watched a shitload of live games, which is why I amde the comment that Barry is the main reason I started playing football.
Second, are you saying they add CGI or something to the old games when you watch a replay? It looks different when recorded than live footage??
And you had me thinking I didn’t know what I was talking about. Run along, junior.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
@MATTRYAN - I thought this was recess period for you. What are you still doing around here?
November 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
@Dirt
are you really about 40? i would have thought you were younger than that
November 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
I accept your point. I’m not against you here as long as you don’t actually believe that someone younger than yourself is incapable of making educated analysis of things that happened previous to their time.
And I’m not saying that MattRyan>BigBen did that either.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Emmitt is the reason I picked up football
that’s actually what you said, not Barry. Not that it matters.
And you had me thinking I didn’t know what I was talking about.
you’re not as stupid as you’ve convinced me you are today, but at some point you have to admit that you probably didn’t see the 1991 Detroit Lions line ‘em up, like you’re claiming you did.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
are you really about 40? i would have thought you were younger than that
I just turned 37. I’m frightfully immature.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Wait a minute.
But
Zuh?
November 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
i didn’t mean it like that man, i was just wondering..
November 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I’m not against you here as long as you don’t actually believe that someone younger than yourself is incapable of making educated analysis of things that happened previous to their time.
Of course not, within reason. These guys want to say that Detroit’s O-line sucked, but then give Barry Sanders credit for Lomas Brown’s 7 pro bowls or whatever, and then say that Emmit Smith sucked and Barry Sanders would have had 4000 yards a season in Dallas, when he did not like running behind a fullback.
It’s just a pissing contest. In those, we’re all the loser.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
i didn’t mean it like that man, i was just wondering..
I was tongue in cheek youngstown. If my feelings were easily hurt, I would have run away crying a long time ago.
In all seriousness, though, my son is named after one of those Los Angeles Rams.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Agreed there as well, which is why i didn’t weigh in with my opinin… and because Barry is obviously better… but I was just hoping you weren’t arguing that young people were incapable.
I’d like to think someone could put a pretty cool statistical case study together for either side of the argument… wish I would’ve done this in my college stats classes… damn me.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
How old do you really think I am? I did watch a lot of those games, and mid nineties was his best years anyway.
Unless it’s fun, then everyone’s a winner!
I meant Barry, not Emmitt is why I started playing/ loving the game. Completely missed that one and I can’t believe no one pointed that out earlier.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Apples and Oranges, fellas. I promise.
Matty, I’ve got you at 27 or less, which means you were 8 in 1991.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
If you’re father figure hadn’t taught you the difference between 4-3 and 3-4 by this age and you hadn’t been playing for at least 3 years, I don’t even consider anything you say as worth listening to.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
If he’s 27, he was 9 in 1991.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Fuck, take the high side and you’re dead on. Yes, but in 1997 I was 15… when Barry ran for 6.1 a carry (looked the actual number up). That’s unhuman.