Thoughts on 30 for 30: The Legend of Jimmy the Greek
ESPN, Gambling, Movies November 11th. 2009, 1:45pm
Reaction to “The Legend of Jimmy the Greek” was generally positive. Mike Florio tweeted “Usually I can work while watching TV. During this Jimmy the Greek documentary on ESPN, I have yet to write a single word.” Fang’s Bites described it as “close to perfect on its storytelling.” I didn’t agree, but perhaps I was not the intended audience.
When Jimmy the Greek napalmed his career, I was four years old and far from football cognizant. For me, he was a name and a scandal. That’s it. For those who knew him, it may have been masterful, but hoping to comprehend, I was disappointed.
Fritz Mitchell says at the start of the film, “The story wouldn’t really be complete unless you heard from the man himself.” He’s right, but that’s was the film’s flaw.
Jimmy The Greek was a television personality. How could you not use live footage extensively? Thirty seconds of him being charismatic and awesome on camera, would have trumped multiple people taking ten minutes to describe it. It wasn’t there In the scant live footage there was, Jimmy was a side-character as we were bombared with Musburger.
Instead of seeing him, Mitchell used fake voiceovers and cheezy dramatizations. It made the film feel like an episode of “I shouldn’t be alive.”
Attempts to contextualize him in the film felt flimsy. Why was Jimmy the Greek important? The argument was that he brought gambling to the mainstream. That should have been supported with evidence, rather than taken uncritically.
Mitchell portrays both sides of his personality. The interviewees were measured and insightful. I thought his son particularly had poignant insights. When asked about the money, his son says, “He went through it all. Believe me. He enjoyed every cent of it.”
The analysis of him, however, was perhaps not as critical as it should have been, especially when handling the racist incident.
Jimmy the Greek did not make an off-color joke interpreted harshly. It was no borderline gaffe. He used considered logic to argue a point that was explicitly racist. There was neither tact nor sublimation. It was sentiment found only in Nazi tracts or a Thomas Carlyle manifesto.
The film deflects blame from him, making the incident passive. Fake Jimmy says, “I was branded a racist.” One interviewee says, “We devoured him at the end because of one, unfortunate incident.” Brent Musburger suggests Jimmy was “old-fashioned” and could not articulate what he meant properly.
His comments were not “unfortunate” they were awful. He was not “branded a racist” by others. He branded himself. There’s no articulation or proper wording that would make his heinous point palatable.
Jimmy the Greek was not a victim of perception. CBS fired him swiftly, and justly.
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November 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I thought this was well done. I only knew him for the scandal as well. I had no idea how big he was. That chick on the show he did for CBS was hot on a small side note.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
thought it was excellent. the part about his children’s cystic fibrosis almost had me crying.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
that’s what i tweeted about last night. Phyillis George was smoking, and still looks damn good for her age. overall, i thought it was excellent.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I enjoyed this one a great deal, though I had not really noticed how little live footage of him there was until you mentioned it. I suppose in that regard they could have done better, but I’m ok with anecdotal retelling by others as well.
Good points Duffy. Can you tell me who Thomas Carlyle is for those of us who don’t know him and don’t want to Google a potential racist at work
November 11th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
pussy
November 11th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I didn’t like the voice over thing w/ the actor pretending to be him. Trying to be too much like “Casino”
Pretty amazing he layed 10K on Truman @ 17-1 odds.
All in all, very well done. Agree w/ GodsofGridiron.. Phyllis George was hot.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
i can’t find what he said that was offensive. The only quote i found he was saying that white people can’t play sports anymore and that if black people take over coaching there won’t be any white people in sports. what it something else?
November 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
i don’t know about that comparison. i really believe he was trying to say something positive about the black athlete, and totally fucked it up. nevertheless, it was racist.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
That absolutely pulled me out of the episode again and again. It was like watching one of those cheap recreations of a historical event The History Channel tries to do every now and then. Oh, and Phyllis George was hot as hell back in the day.
Hell, she doesn’t look too bad now.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
You be surprised at the amount of people who side with Jimmy’s few on A-A athletes. Granted I live in the South, but still.
Good film, very interesting. Then again I am a degenerate gambler.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
What more footage did you want? All he did on the show was pick games. After a while it got redundant and more of the same would not have helped.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Reaaazy-
“The black is a better athlete to begin with because he’s been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.”
November 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Following the thought up with the “whites won’t have anything” kinda goes against that grain, doesn’t it?
November 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Oh, and he basically was parroting something he heard from Al Davis, according to the podcast.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
few=view
November 11th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Duffy- do you like any of these? You seem to be unnecessarily harsh on every one of them. Its alright to criticize but you come across as holier than thou on all of these reviews. If I had to rank the documentaries so far it would be.
Muhammad and Larry
The Band
Jimmy The Greek
USFL
Bias
Gretzky
The only reason the Bias one isn’t last is because they had some amazing footage of Bias. Pretty good.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
ah thank you sparty. offensive indeed.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Fascinating. Loved it.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Sounds awful.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I wish more would have been said about the accuracy of his NFL picks.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Also agree with a comment higher. What more footage did you want? It;s not like he was doing cartwheels out there. All he did was go over pros and cons. Perfect amount of live footage for me.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
This is rhetorical, right? You have to know the answer to this.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
What kind of evidence would you like? Musberger, Deford, et al aren’t enough?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Wait, did they show any footage of Jimmy when he was on CBS?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Havent seen it yet…
November 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
what are the next 30 for 30 docs airing next?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Im surprised Ty Duffy didnt say he wasnt racist.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Really objective article from Mushnick, comparing his friend the racist TV personality with a music artist.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Yes, but none of the footage was anything close to a full segment. Most of the footage was brief clips.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Not sure, but a half hour of Mark Grace discussing his creation of the term “slumpbuster” should be included at some point.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
i’m not good at introductions, but rs27, let me introduce you to ty duffy. duffy, this is rs27.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I dont find this racist. Its probably the truth.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I think someone of Duffys age doesnt realize that the NFL Today was THE only pre-game show at that time, no ESPN, no Fox, no web, no blogs, that was the only info you got on the games, other than the local paper. So, his segments, atleast to me as a 15 year old at the time, was a big deal.
As it was explained in the movie, gambling was not near the mainstream it is today. Gambling on football was relagated to back rooms in bars and the local bookies.
I thought it was well done, plus, it was great to see Phyllis George, still a hottie after all these years.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I do, but its starting to become annoying how he slams these documentaries when they only have 52 minutes to tell a story. I didn’t know anything about Jimmy the Greek before this. I got a good sense of who he was. Duffy acts like they need to tell his life story in intricate detail and weave in footage of him picking games. It’s not like they have 2 hours.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Mike Florio tweeted “Usually I can work while watching TV. During this Jimmy the Greek documentary on ESPN, I have yet to write a single word.”
I skipped the first half of the KU game. This was awesome.
Yes, they showed tons of footage of him on CBS. Not sure how much more Duffy wanted. I will agree that the fake voiceovers were cheesy. Reminded me of Goodfellas (in which the voiceover worked).
November 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Not sure, but a half hour of Mark Grace discussing his creation of the term “slumpbuster” should be included at some point.
And Jim Rome has to be in the background guffawing and saying loudly “Oh Gracie, you’re such a classic!”
November 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I find Griese talking about Juan Pablo eating Tacos more racist than that.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
i’m not good at introductions, but rs27, let me introduce you to ty duffy. duffy, this is rs27.
+ Eleventy Million
November 11th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
If The Greek had said, “The black athlete eats chicken and watermelon.” Duffy would have said it was taken out of context and therefore not racist.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
if bspn breaks out one of these documentaries on eurotrash kickball, duffy will slobber over it like howard stern does over brooke hogan.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
but it is to us white folks that run this show…
November 11th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
first one i have missed
November 11th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Triston- Great Minds!
November 11th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Come on, Duffy only defends Anglos, not Mediterraneans.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
He loves the EPL and the Sawx, this should explain his attitude many of times.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Upcoming 30 for 30:
The U
Reggie Miller vs. The Knicks
Guru of Go (Paul Westhead)
Later there are docs about Jordan and baseball, June 17th 1994, and Steve Bartman.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
White men can’t jump, Bo. Everyone knows this, unless your name is Joe Alexander, but that really won’t get you anywhere.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Was Jimmy the Greek actually Greek?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Racist.
/Ty Duffy’d
November 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
False! Jeff Sheppard.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Blatant racism.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Was Jimmy the Greek actually Greek?
Korean. Jimmy the Korean just didn’t have a nice ring to it.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
You tell me (from the Mushnick article):
November 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Wikipedia says he was born Dimetrios Georgios Synodinos. Has to be Finnish.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Here
November 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
jayne kennedy > phyllis george
White men can’t jump
dwight stone? sergei bubka?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
I think that’s what he died of.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
The Steve Bartman doc is going to be a crock of shit though. Enough already.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Sydney Dean is calling shananigans on that shit.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Now thats racist.
/doesnt give a shit
//Farts
November 11th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
You left off:
///wakes self up
////drives home
November 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I thought it was well done. Liked the interviews with Musburger, Irv, and Phyllis George (who was smokin’ hot and does still look good).
Dont understand the “not enough live footage” criticism. They showed clips from him on CBS and even commercials he made. He wasg big time back then.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Dick Fosbury laughs in their faces and says, they named a jump (flop) after me bee-atches
November 11th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
The Truman thing was interesting. Who would think of factoring in women’s dislike of Dewey’s moustache when betting a Presidential election?
His cashing on the Notre Dame bet for the equivelent of $800K in today’s dollars is amazing.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Agree with the positive reviews here, really liked this…although I don’t know what film created the worst intended result: This making me want to bet heavy on a two-team parlay or Leaving Las Vegas moving me to go out and buy a bottle of liquor
November 11th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I was just about to write, “Nobody disputed what he said.”
The fact that it was on MLK day, and it came out of dumb sounding guy’s mouth, and he started going into the Coaches thing. That was probably his downfall.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
- I have been honest. Read my reviews of The Band and Muhammad and Larry
- Thomas Carlyle – Occasional Discourse On The Negro Question
- The whole film did not to be him picking games. But, there should have been at least some footage to support him being charismatic.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
The NFL today with Brent, Irv, Phyllis, and Jimmy > all pregame shit shows today.
/grew up on that show
November 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Ice Cube is the director for “Straight outta LA” about the Raiders. Should be interesting.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Ty Duffy youre pretty stupid when it comes to this whole race thing. You have been wrong on every race related thing you write.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I agree, it is obvious Mushnick comes from a place of complete bias, but someday somebody will need to explain to me how rappers can say whatever the hell they want about race and women and be considered well rounded, smart, community leaders (as Jay-Z is regarded). Yet, if anybody wrote down or said these ideas matter-of-factly, they would be destroyed by pretty much everybody. Heck, if some of these rappers said what they put in their lyrics in an interview they’d get completely destroyed. It’s bullshit, and one of the reasons I don’t listen to rap all that often, even though I greatly enjoy a lot of it.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Just to chime in and join the chorus. The “not enough live footage” criticism makes no sense at all. I would not want to see any more on-set stuff. That would have gotten tedious quickly.
We saw the talk show, some candid stuff, etc.
There may have been too much of the show itself and Musburger, but that could have easily been central to a Jimmy the Greek narrative, and I’m just too ignorant to know so. *shrug*
November 11th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
B/C Duffy grew up in either, 1) a super white suburb or 2) a super white state. Most writers who overcompensate have never been around “the black.” I still can’t believe Jimmy the Greek was saying that.
/just stating the obvious
//take it and move on Duffy. You’re a good writer
November 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
duffy went to michigan and loves soccer and the red sox.
and we’re SURPRISED he’s as lily white as elisha cuthbert’s pale ass?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
T-Racs Posse you have no clue what you are talking about.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Duffy, maybe you’re not the target audience for these documentaries. At 38, I’m barely old enough to remember Ali, Bias, and the Greek. Anybody my age or older would already be familiar with Jimmy the Greek’s personality so adding more live footage would add nothing. My guess is these documentaries are aimed at stirring nostalga in the 35+ demographic while still educating the younger fan on these important sports figures from the past.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
What is your definition of charismatic? Some Euro-trash kickball player who parades around shirtless?
Again, this was a guy who make a living out of gambling, who was featured on the only NFL pregame show at the time. Guys like the Jimmy the Greek you only saw at the horse track or booking bets in the back room of some dive bar, not on national TV.
Of course, Im just a dumb, naive midwest guy, so what do I know?
November 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I’d do dirty things to that ass.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Why not, exactly? You don’t think that many rap/hip-hop stars have extremely prejudicial and misogynistic views on race and women? How is it not a double standard?
November 11th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Yes, his critique was a little odd, but why go the “becuase you like soccer you must be a fag” route towards Duffy?
November 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
ding ding ding. The racial makeup of the township Duffy grew up in was 87.70% White, 4.30% Black or African American, 0.08% Native American, 6.47% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.29% from other races, and 1.11% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.38% of the population.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
This stat is mindblowing.
Fuck John Wayne and Fuck bitches
November 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Read that wrong. Not Mind Blowing
November 11th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I dont find this racist. Its probably the truth.
The entire continent of Africa would like to have a word with you… I always felt the implication that the sporting/athletic success of black men and women was due to the smarts of white slave traders was pretty offensive.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Duffy, nice job. haven’t seen the documentary, but the crux of the whole thing is the quote, and i agree with your conclusion.
i don’t understand the Duffy hate, or people wanting him to apologize for being smart. $.02
November 11th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
AW- Its called genetics. What he said theoretically makes sense.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
August, if it helps at all, Tampa finds every other thing ever said by anybody ever racist. Just not this.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
AW- Its called genetics. What he said theoretically makes sense.
sounds more like eugenics
November 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
white people made jesus white even tho he was obviously arab.
white people call themselves americans and native americans indians.
guess what? white people are racist as fuck. but someone’s gotta be the asshole in the room, right?
November 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Dirt actually I didnt find this racist at all.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
examples please.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Dirt actually I didnt find this racist at all.
I remember it, and the immediate aftermath. It was huge. I haven’t seen this doc yet, but it’s recorded. This is after Cosell got run out of town on a rail for the “little monkey” thing that I’m sure wasn’t racist.
This racist, though, was trying to sound educated and tolerant. I don’t know that he meant any harm, but it ended up doing some good.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
actually he was a Hebrew, but go on…
November 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I truly believe that he was a working class (under educated) man trying to explain a theory that was above his pay grade. He got lost and it did not come out the way he intended. If he wanted to be a racist, there are a bunch of other words he could have used to poorly articulate – “The black is a better athlete to begin with…”
Should he have been suspended?, with out a doubt. Should he have been fired? probably not. They’re is a lot of antidoctle evidence to say that he was not a racist.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
American Indians, you racist
November 11th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
i got served.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
If I remember correctly, many of the people who tried to ride Cossell out on this were the White sport reporters he had been feuding with for years. Jesse actually came to his defense.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Jimmy the Greek was of a different time. A guy like him would never be on today on “mainstream TV”. He was born in 1919 for Christ’s sake. You’re looking at his actions/accomplishments from a prism 20 years after his death and 30-40 years after he first came on the TV scene.
What he said was ill-advised, stupid, and definitely racist by today’s standards, but he said it, in my mind, out of his true belief of why a black athlete was a superior athlete. In his own mind, he was, in a completely incorrect way, giving the black athlete credit. He was fired, like he should have been.
That show WAS the NFL every Sunday for years.
for the record, I HATE John Y Brown (Phyllis George’s husband). He bought the Buffalo Braves NBA team, made some convoluted franchise swap with the Celtics, and then Buffalo ended up in San Diego as the Clippers.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Why not, exactly? You don’t think that many rap/hip-hop stars have extremely prejudicial and misogynistic views on race and women? How is it not a double standard?
examples please.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
I just can’t help thinking of the old SNL skit with Kevin Nealon as Musburger and Phil Hartman as Jimmy the Greek.
Brent: Jimmy, what about that Giants-Cardinals matchup on….CBS?
Jimmy: Brent, the Giants need a win today – but don’t expect any help from Arizona!
November 11th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Hmmm… the Quote feature just reversed itself on my comment. Weird.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
yes
November 11th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Darrell, you’re just being difficult, or you truly haven’t heard any rap/hip-hop other than DeLaSoul. Argue the topic, don;t ask T-Racs to do work on soemthing everyone accepts as a well-earned stereotype
November 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
If I remember correctly, many of the people who tried to ride Cossell out on this were the White sport reporters he had been feuding with for years. Jesse actually came to his defense.
it was a means to an end by his enemies. He was slipping anyway though.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
You really need me to provide you with examples of rap lyrics being racially insensitive and misogynistic?
you’re gonna wait a loooonnnnggg time getting them from me. Last time we went through this, I posted some, and it turns out they were from a white supremacist website, so I’m sitting this one out
/carry on
November 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Stereotypes are the thoughts of the intellectual lazy and deserves “difficult” scrutiny. He says rappers are racist and misogynistic. I’m asking for examples.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
great recap, Duffy.
really enjoyed this, except for the cheesy voiceover.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I’m asking for examples.
And then when examples are given you’ll say it’s just a few guys and you can’t paint a whole genre as such… we know the game. Moving on.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I’m not being lazy. I’ve listened to rap since I was 13. I loved it in high school, my friends and I talked about how awesome it was, and I still like many of the songs. However, as I got older I kinda decided if I’m gonna hold other media members and athletes and friends then I need to hold my favorite musical artists to the same standard.
If you need to see them for yourself, go listen to Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, etc., etc. If you don’t hear the misogyny and racism, you aren’t listening.
I have one person who agrees with me:
That was Obama’s response to Ludacris’ song supporting Obama during his campaign but he addresses rap lyrics in general. I sincerely doubt Obama is just spitting out that “stereotype” with no evidence.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
many rap/hip-hop stars
darrell, he didn’t say all rappers. this only diverts from the argument. why don’t you just make your point? let’s pretend he gave you examples
November 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
But no one has given an example yet?
November 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
This is why I don’t argue with Darrell anymore.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I thought that the Jimmy the Greek and Baltimore Colts docs have been the best of the bunch so far.
Duffy I enjoy your writing and you are probably almost as intelligent as you want the readers of this site to think you are. However, I think you are going way to far in comparing Jimmy the Greeks opinion to Nazi tract. He had an uneducated opinion which was and is not politically correct. He did not say we should seperate the races, go back to Jim Crow, or eliminate black people from the planet. Your opinion of the Jimmy the Greek 30 for 30 comes off as one formed by a pretentious Ph.d candidate who deals with the theoretical and not the real world. I think you raise some valid points in your post but I also think that you do not see that their were two sides to the man and the controversy. Very few things in this life are clear cut.
November 11th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
/Fixed
November 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
You mean cause he’s an idiot?
Groin, anything new on the Schroeder stuff?
November 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Didn’t you just say you agree with Jimmy the Greek?
Yeah, you’re a moron.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
But no one has given an example yet?
For misogyny see any song by Eazy-E.
For racism see most songs by Nas.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
+++85 billion
November 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Nothing really new other than supposedly the NHL team in question is sending their brass to talk to the player next week. This wouldn’t happen if we recruited only Canadians like the Sue.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
and youre a Tool.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Our Canadians win the Hobey (Ryan Duncan, Chay Genoway in 5 months) and win national titles. So do our Minnesotans and North Dakotans. I really have no problem with the Canadians jab to be honest. I don’t get why any of our fans do.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
indeed!
November 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
and you’re a dick.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I know, Fetch. I’m too
busydumb to think of a better insult.November 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Rather be a dick than a pussy.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
How about 7>5? Haha.
It’s weird, but I really have no animosity to the Gophers as a program. I like it when they’re relevant. When both teams are on the road Id rather watch the Gophers on TV cause of Mazocco and Woog. Yeah you guys have some idiot fans, but even I’ll admit we have more.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
So misogynistic… are you a rapper?
November 11th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Sure about that?
November 11th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
thats racist.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I like you more and more every day Bo.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
This is what was said. To be more specific, do you have a quote from Jay Z regarding his actual stance on issues, or are you going strictly by his rap lyrics? Tarrantino has used the word nigger liberally in the movies he has written; should I assume him to be racist because he has done so?
November 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I’ll phrase it in a way you’ll find unoffensive and more to your taste:
Really the black rapper is what he is because of the quick tongue (in the biblical sense) given to him by years of breeding forced upon them by the white slave owners during the Civil War Era. The owner would usually take the two quickest speaking and best rhyming slaves and make them breed. Over time this produced the best rappers, and in time as Black record label owners and producers come into play, the white rapper/owner/producer will be obsolete.
Is that more to your liking?
November 11th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I’ve never really had a problem with Sioux fans either. I can’t fucking stand SCSU fans though. Dumb fucks know nothing about hockey, have never won anything, yet manage to be the most rude obnoxious fans in the WCHA. A couple years ago, SCSU fans threw batteries at Gopher players during a game. I lived in St. Cloud for 6 months and the whole city is filled with angry white trash.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Very well put JPQ. When I first got a job in printing i was working on the press and my operator was a old man from Alabama who was born in about 1930 (this was in 2000 in Eugene, OR). The world was way different back when he grew up. He would say some shit that was so offensive, but you could tell he didn’t mean it to be that offensive, it’s just the world he grew up in. It doesn’t exactly make it right, but doesn’t exactly make it wrong either. He treated everyone with respect, which is what truly matters in the end.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
If that makes you feel better, go for it. In reality it’s because I pointed out to you how stupid your idea that someone had to listen to Rush within this past year to know whether or not he is racist was.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Actually it’s because the slave owners wouldn’t let them talk so they had to commincate through music and beats.
/how’d I do Bo?
November 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Loved the Jimmy the Greek 30 on 30, but this is running a close second.
The old NFL Today: one of the few instances when “The good old days” were actually better.
Irv Cross was one hell of a DB for the Eagles.
Phyliss George still looks great for a 60 year old woman.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I like Darrell. He draws lines in the sand in strange places though.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
If by strange, you mean predicable, then yeah, I agree with you.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I don’t think your analysis is correct here.
Your opinion is one many carry, but I’m of the “he’s of an older generation camp” as I am in most of racial gaffes. My reasoning is from personal experience and his intonation. With the latter, I think he was trying to come off as complimentary to black athletes. Doing so by declaring them genetically superior probably wasn’t the PC way to go, but the intent didn’t seem malicious.
If I say that blacks have changed the nature of some sports. Black culture, isolated from white society, from slavery right up to integration, developed styles of playing basketball, football, baseball, and boxing, that whites had to learn to accommodate to or get out of the sport…some would vilify me as a racist, ignoramus or uninformed.
Well what if I told you that Harry Edwards said that? He did.
That’s why I think Musburger’s analysis was spot on; Jimmy didn’t have the education of others he was working around and felt like he needed to prove that he was a smart, astute guy and he talked himself into a hole.
I also give people the benefit of the doubt on such gaffes (pure hate speech is no gaffe and this was not vile, inciteful speech) since it can be such a generational thing. If my grandparents call someone Oriental would I shudder? To not acknowledge that times were different is a bit dishonest. A man who was born in 1919 in small town Ohio is going to have distinctly different views on race not because he’s inherently evil, Ty Duffy, but because “it was what it was.”
November 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
seems like there was some deleted comments. did some people go too far?
November 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
nevermind, damn cache.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I’d also like to point out that if you had to try and atone for your gaffe by doing a sit down with Jesse Jackson, you don’t deserve to be fired.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Predictable would be younglefty making some misinformed statement about sports and trying to cover it up with lame sarcasm. Dude you misfire more than a 12 year old jacking off for the first time.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I’d also like to point out that if you had to try and atone for your gaffe by doing a sit down with Jesse Jackson, you don’t deserve to be fired.
but, Jesse Jackson is emperor of all black people, isn’t he?
/south park’d
November 11th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
jayne kennedy
beter make the biopic soon, or whatsername from Flashdance and The L Word is going to be too old
November 11th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
um, i’m not really sure what to make of this.
November 11th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
The piece was well done and this was a good summary by Captain Duffy.
Why the pre-game shows can’t pick them like Phyllis George or Jane Kennedy any more baffles me. All we have had for years are fuckin’ ninnies on the sidelines or in the studios in Bristol in addition to that annoying Pam Ward. Save Alex Flanagan and Pam Oliver perhaps.