Was the Reaction To The Elizabeth Lambert Video Sexist?
Soccer, Video November 11th. 2009, 5:30pmElizabeth Lambert pulled an opponent down by her ponytail, punched an opponent in the back, scythed opponents down repeatedly and savagely, kicked a ball in an opponents face and somehow managed to punch a girl twice while tackling her to the ground. That was only what was caught by cameras. The video went viral instantly. The public reaction was stern. Lambert was suspended indefinitely. But, was the response sexist?
Jere Longman raises this question in a New York Times piece.
“The world has changed,” Dorrance said. “Women play with just as much intensity, work ethic and sometimes aggression as guys.” But although men can be celebrated for extreme aggression, like knocking out a quarterback in the N.F.L., “women are held to a different standard,” Dorrance said.
“I hate to call it a higher standard,” he said. “It’s almost like they crossed a gender line they weren’t allowed to cross, like we want to take them out of the athletic arena and put them in the nurturing, caring role as mothers of children.”
Society treats women differently than men, often unfairly. Here, however, I’m not sure Lambert is a victim.
We probably tolerate more violence in male sports, but it’s hard to argue Lambert’s actions were within acceptable boundaries for either sex. When there’s an illicit eye gouge in the NFL, it draws the same response. I’d imagine a similar outrage if an NFL player was caught doing things like that repeatedly throughout a game.
In soccer, Jonny Evans’ studs first tackle to Didier Drogba’s chest was as bad or worse than anything Lambert did, but it was also one incident rather than part of a series in the same match.
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November 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Didn’t I just see a RichRod post?
November 11th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Sorry, that was a draft that I set to run by accident. Wasn’t finished and can’t finish it at the moment, so I pulled it.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
How long did you have to scroll through thesaurus.com before you settled on that one?
November 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I was thinking that the site was as sick of them as we all are and just swallowed it.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Sorry, that was a draft that I set to run by accident. Wasn’t finished and can’t finish it at the moment, so I pulled it.
ty: save my comment comparing Drew Sharp to Grantland Rice then, please!-lol
November 11th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
ZING!!!!!
November 11th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
If this were a men’s sport (even soccer), she would have had her face beaten in.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
What made her actions so bad was the fact that they were the ones that weren’t in the course of the game. The trips and elbows happen constantly in soccer. The pony tail tug was way out of lines. That said, she isn’t a pariah.
Still, Serena Williams has more of a beef her than Lambert.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Ty’s writing guide.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Agreed. People complain about the double standards with men and women in sports but the bottom line is there should be because men and women are not the same. See: that embarrassing showing by that women’s softball team in/from Central Washington.
/doesn’t care if that’s sexist
November 11th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
White Guilt and the pussification of America make this a story.
Kudos Duffy!
November 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
No.
Wasn’t there outrage over Zidane’s headbutt due to its awful timing mostly, but also because it was oddly violent?
What about Blount-Hout? I think both men (or boys) got a lion’s share of the MSM’s vitriol for a solid week.
What about when Chris Paul punching someone in the groin in college? That got attention of the negative variety.
The theme here is: Do something that common sense would tell you is more than just physical play, and you’ll face media scorn.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
This is sexist: Womens sports are stupid and should all be eliminated.
/also true
November 11th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
/fix’d
November 11th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
As long as it took you to discover you could mask your own insecurities by being an anonymous dick on an online forum.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I’d also like to add that I didn’t see anything wrong with her first punch—since she was elbowed—only found her second punch and hair pull down as out of place. But I’m not a soccer player or fan so I can’t speak to whether or not that’s true.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I think this is where we start talking about Brazilian porn.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
the worst one is toward the end when she takes the girl down and pops her twice in the face as she’s going to the ground
November 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
TBL contributor fight!
November 11th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
It needs to be said: BYU’s #7 is hot.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
a man walk around his house naked, he gets arrested.
a woman walks around a hotel room naked, she gets videotaped and jacked off to…
November 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
And probably someone’s third wife.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Turmoil in the house of TBL. Duffy, are you saying bsanders’ real name ISN’T Cap Rooney?
November 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Oxymoron.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I hope that the rest of that michigan article changes my opinion on it. I mean, come on duffy, a winning record in the big 10 isnt too much to ask.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
in the limited circles i run in, everyone’s still talking about this chick.
i’d say the repeated actions of Lambert are what did her in.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Cmon guys settle down.
Get together, have a cold one, and watch some Brazilian porn and all will be good.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
That’s actually a fairly common word used in soccer commentary.
November 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Wow, that bitch is crazy.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
It needs to be said: BYU’s #7 is hot.
Yes!
/Marv Albert voice.
//I agree. That is what I noticed when I saw that. Smoking.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
That’s actually a fairly common word used in soccer commentary. Tall
But this is ladies eurotrash kickball.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Amen, Rondo. Don’t really know how this is sexist, but I’m not exactly the feminist voice of reason, soo..
November 11th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
well played duffy
November 11th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
endofdays.com forums?
November 11th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Cmon guys settle down.
Get together, have a 200 year old single malt, watch some Masterpiece Theatre and all will be smashing.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Purdue Matt with a rare appearance!
who’s up for an abortion/economy/red state-blue state discussion?
November 11th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
there was a get medical insurance or go to jail discussion in the other post.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
who’s up for an abortion/economy/red state-blue state discussion?
I’m more up for a global warming chat.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I don’t know about you, but these pretzels are makin’ me thirsty.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
KC, lemme email al gore, he’ll be by shortly to jump in on the conversation.
Elizabeth Lambert on global warming: *Expletives, fist pounds against a desk, spits at me*
November 11th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
This is fucking ridiculous and barely merits a response. Look at the Brandon Spikes backlash that SAME WEEK for a single incident.
Look at the Zinedine Zidane incident that SAME SPORT. Career ending single head butt.
That Lambert chick was doing stuff just as egregious as either of these two incidents, and she did it over and over. What she did isn’t something you see in men’s or women’s sports. It was just vicious, repeated thuggery. You won’t find a modern, comparable incident in the modern era in men’s sports because the antagonist would have been run from the game after the second incident, max.
But thanks NYT for the easy gender-baiting.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
I will destroy Al Gore in any debate. Plus, I can grow a better beard.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Ball up those fists, Duffy.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Oh, and tyduffy. To blog you need to add something to the conversation. You really failed here.
Really? Thanks for the insight.
November 11th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
it’s been common knowledge for awhile I thought that girls’ soccer was brutal. but videos see what refs don’t, so the repeat incidents aren’t that shocking as far as what was tolerated.
and BTW, I’be been a Julie Foudy fan since the World Cup coverage of 98. something about the way her hair sweeps behind her ear.
November 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
plus, BYU says “scoreboard, scoreboard”
#7 butterface
November 11th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I called dibs on BYU #7 when the video first went up. She’s cute. Her still photo on the team website, not so much, but when she’s moving around. Yummy yummy.
November 11th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
What’s wrong with sexy?
/ Smell the Gloved
November 11th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Look at the Zinedine Zidane incident that SAME SPORT. Career ending single head butt.
He was retiring anyway, plus, he was lauded as a hero in France. And, the Spanish team he was playing for begged him to come back for one more season (he was under contract) and refused to sell him to any other team.
Not really career ending, but I do take your point about Spikes.
November 11th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
IST!
November 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Death by Sexy!
(name the band)
November 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
scythed opponents down repeatedly and savagely
How long did you have to scroll through thesaurus.com before you settled on that one?
That’s actually a fairly common word used in soccer commentary.
So he was using a Queen’s english thesaurus?
November 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Wouldn’t there be days of outrage on the Four Letter if Palamalu (sp) got yanked down by his hair during a play? Or some RB with dreads?
November 12th, 2009 at 7:46 am
This actually happened a few years ago. And no there was no outrage because its not against NFL rules to get tackled by your hair.
November 12th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Yes, it was the now looking for work Larry Johnson who tackled Palamalu by the hair.