Dead QB Walking
Uncategorized July 27th. 2007, 4:06pm
He had the jaunty bounce of a cocksure convict. He reeked of smugness. Anyone else see defiance in his eyes? He wore a repellant smirk that did nothing but anger anyone who watched him saunter up those courtroom steps. Where’s the remorse? Even if you didn’t kill the dogs, how about some remorse for those who did?
He plead not guilty. So much for those thoughts of a plea bargain. The trial is set for Nov. 26. A career is tarnished. Those romantic runs against Pittsburgh and FSU in college? Forgotten. That game-winning gallop against the Vikings? Won’t matter.
This is your legacy, Mike.
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July 27th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure he can plea bargain until a verdict is rendered. Right?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
I feel like your website is constantly criticizing ESPN for being smug and righteous, and turning sports media into a mild version of People Magazine. Your “on your high-horse” criticism of Michael Vick, and daily gossip posts, seem, to me, to be completely inspired by the model ESPN pioneered; using sports as a vehicle for broader social and pop culture commentary….. Don’t get me wrong, I like it (both on ESPN and at your site). But I am constantly confounded by your criticism of the WWL when 90% of your posts are in the same spirit as their columns.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
If he is guilty, I hope he serves time and never plays again.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
i wonder what clinton portis thinks of this whole mike vick situation now?
…durrr, dog fightin’ ain’t that bad
July 27th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
I sure hope this case doesn’t cause even 1/10 of the racial divide the OJ case caused.
But I’m skeptical.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
“He had the jaunty bounce of a cocksure convict.”
Been watching 1940s Movietone news reels again, TBL?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
His plea is not even remotely newsworthy — everybody pleads not guilty at arraignment. It doesn’t even remotely preclude him from reaching a deal with the prosecutor down the line.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Yeah…He can absolutely get a plea bargain up until a jury issues a verdict so I am not too concerned about the plea. I think you are laying it on a little thick with the Vick stuff here. Are you working on a Novel or something?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
“He had the jaunty bounce of a cocksure convict. He reeked of smugness. Anyone else see defiance in his eyes? He wore a repellant smirk that did nothing but anger anyone who watched him saunter up those courtroom steps. Where’s the remorse? Even if you didn’t kill the dogs, how about some remorse for those who did?”
What are you guys going for, some sort of blog Pulitzer? Get over yourselves. I agree with Bryan’s post above.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
TBL getting bold. Damn bold.
This post would carry far greater weight if it’s posted after he’s found guilty in the court of law.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Chris…I don’t know if the Vick case runs across racial lines? I think it is more about how people value dogs in their own minds and how much of a punishment Vick should get. I think you see the racial undertones of people in discussing Barry Bonds (like yesterdays slugfest on this site) then Vick. I almost feel more of an indifference to this (In regards to the punishment Vick is receiving and coverage it is getting not the torture and killing of dogs) but we aren’t at the trial yet so who knows.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Wow… seriously TBL, chill.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
How else was he supposed to walk into the courthouse?? on his hands and knees sniviling and begging 4 4givness???? you guys seemed pretty pathetic on this subject on this post.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
If you think we’re hammering Vick, you haven’t been reading long enough. Love him as a QB. He was the most fun player to watch in the league. Closely followed his career at VT. Always enjoyed him in Atlanta.
But he fucked up royally here. Blogs express opinions … these are ours.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
I don’t think we are concerned with your feelings on Vick but that post was some pretty over the top melodramatic stuff…the kind of stuff we used to goof on on this site.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Got to say I agree with TBL on this one. All you Vick homers need to get over your man-crush on him. Way to stand up for a guy that kills puppies (albeit viscious killer pit-bull puppies).
July 27th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
J…I don’t see on post standing up for dog killing…trust me I work in th Pet industry…It is deplorable…I think we are goofing on the post itself…I don’t see many of us standing up and saying I am happy Mike Vick killed dogs.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Michael Vick is a waste of god given talent
if his brother would of stayed in school longer, he would of been the top pick in this year’s draft
but that is what happens when you give people from the gutter a lot of money
July 27th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Seriously….all you guys are the same, jump on the bandwagon and ride it as hard as you can to fame. Yuck!!!!
Let the man handle his biz in court…he aint playing till it’s over….and when he does come through…let the guy play….this is freaking football we’re talking about, not the archdiocese!!!!!!!
Personally….I hope he beats the rap. As bad as i think dog fighting is…the way White folks seem to jump in Black players whenever they get in trouble with the Law, seems to indicate a real distaste and distrust in Blacks…..When you all go after Armstrong and Clemens with the voracity you are Barry and now Vick…? Then we can rest assured that you are after justice….till then, it looks like you just like to see Rich undeserving Black folks crash and burn!!!
I mean seriously…he can’t play ever again if he was cruel to dogs??????? He has not cheated the game of Football……I could care less!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
“Where’s the remorse? Even if you didn’t kill the dogs, how about some remorse for those who did?”
I guess TBL’s a vegetarian, then? Anyone getting in a twist about Dog Fighting had better not be supporting mass animal cruelty 3 square times a day.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Gwad TBL, what a bunch of dramatic and petulant nonsense. You might as well have started with “It was a dark and stormy night….”
It’s funny how some people hate “vicious killer pit bull pupies” until they are used for dogfighting.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
BTW Chris, the OJ case didn’t CAUSE “the racial divide”. It was around long before OJ case. Thanks for noticing though.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
It’s one thing to express an opinion TBL, but when you make far-reaching assertions such as “he had the jaunty bounce of a cocksure convict”, and “he wore a repellant smirk” indicate that he you have found him guilty even before the trial has started. How do you know if he has any remorse? Of course you don’t, but that doesn’t stop you from trying to convince the rest of us he doesn’t. It’s one thing to be a Vick homer, but it’s another thing to be objective and fair-minded.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Lame post
July 27th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
I thought the first paragraph was written tongue in cheek, kind of a satire on all of the breathless coverage that this story is getting (and will get).
If it was meant to be serious, well, uhh.. A little over the top then.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Way to show off your journalistic abilities TBL, with Mike Silver leaving SI are you guys first in line to replace him??
July 27th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
I agree with the thoughts above on the plea bargain… and I’d still bet money that’s how this thing will play out. Covering cops and courts, I can tell you that one of the most common times for the plea bargain is actually right BEFORE a trial would start. You knew that, though, right? Law and Order?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
First time on the site and have heard good things about TBL from friends. Like what I see.
As to Michael ” my name is Ron Mexico” Vick, I think that this is a southern thing with the dog’s. Hear me out first before you start blasting me.
1. Dog fighting and cock fighting are things that are done in the south ALOT.
2. Alot of black males like pit bulls and like to “breed” dogs for money. The problem with that is that it could lead to fighting between the dogs easily.
3. I think this is what happened with this entire situation. Mike wanted to help out his family and friends and bought a house. Cousin of Vick put something in his ear about a “business plan” involving breeding pit bulls…which can be a lucrative deal. Mike gives up the cash and bad news kennels is born. Business is cool but others want to see how bad their dogs are. (as a kid you wanted to see if your dog was tough…not saying that its right though but it happens). This leads to dog fighting and the cousin making money off of it that is not getting reported to Uncle Sam.
All this is to Mike is a decision of helping out family and family doing wrong by it. If Mike’s cousin was making money legally and paying the taxes to THE IRS…do you think this would be an issue!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Is he F’d up….75% yes but the only reason why he is getting blasted in the media is because of his name and his cousin being stupid for being greedy for money (Drugs were the original reason why they went after the house in the first place!)
July 27th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
I think that it’s funny that Barry Bonds remains silent and people ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to aknowledge that he should share the same fate as described by what is happening to Vick. Vick says nothing, and automatically everyone says, well, he’s fooked, he can’t even defend himself.
So what is the difference. There’s still a million assholes out there that have Bonds’ nuts glued to their chin, but seemingly everyone is codemning Vick to hell. I agree with that notion, but I can’t fathom why Bonds gets away with essentially the same deflective actions.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
What’s the difference? Oh, okay.
Johnny, either you really are crazy or just looking to stir something up so you can start your usual ranting. Probably a liitle of both.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
“The same deflective actions,” Johnny? Wow. So using steroids, which A LOT of players in addition to Barry have possibly been doing, is the same as viciously killing dogs? I agree with KS. You’re out of your mind
July 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
And I don’t get why everyone’s hating on this post so much. It was just TBL expressing their opinions on how Vick was carrying himself. Not once in that post did they say he was guilty. And I agree, he was strutting around with a cocky, at the very least nonchalant look on his face. The dude is facing some serious charges and he’s still walking around with a “jaunty bounce.” The least he could do is pretend to care…
July 27th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
If Vick had been involved in cockfights, would anyone care? I mean, that’s illegal too.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Johnny…are you angry about something…..I just read the Bonds post from yesterday and you seem frustrated! Dude calm down!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Becasue Johnnnnny, there is a big difference between using illegal steroids to give you an unfair advantage in a baseball game, and using living animals to physically decimate ech other and executing them in deplorable and torturous inhumane ways. Johnny if you want to create a rag on Bonds post, then just go ahead and do it and stop trying to do it on the sly in another post.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
This is what kills me….The guy has to change his walk to appease you? To appease PETA? Why is it that everytime a Black man is in trouble he has to conform to the White perception of style in order to be viewed as repentant? You people need to take a while and think if it’s not some deep seated intolerance and cultural ignorance that are manifesting themselves in your rush to judge Vick!!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
I agree with Otter! Where are the PETA people when it comes down to defending ALL animals rights!!!! This is not a race issue so please people dont think that! Roy Jones Jr talks about cock fighting all the time and not once have you seen the PETA people go after him!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Jolly, that’s ridiculous. It has nothing to do with race. But would you seriously be walking around like a cocky asshole if you were facing the charges that Vick is? For real?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Most peoples natural tendencies come to the fore when they are nervous….what makes you think that the guy does’nt walk with this natural gate? You are asuming the guy is guilty, then you are arguing that he should change his ….Walk?? To show what? In your eyes he’s already guilty….So why the hell do you care how he walks? Why are you so worried bout the way he presents himself…….If he did not participate in those things maybe he feels certain that he will prevail!
I don’t know…but if I was in his position, the last thing I’d be worrying about is my walk outside the courthouse…or appearing remorseful for sumtin I did not do!!!!!!
People are saying that the Feds have proof that Vick was there when dogs were slammed to the ground, electrocuted etc…..what did they dust off the electricity to find prints? If not i guess they are depending on a prick who was there to try and point finger at Vick in order to skate his own responsibility huh? And am suppose to condemn this man based on that?
I believe VCick knew what was going on and was complicit with it….maybe he attended and bet on dogs…and thats just sad….but am not ready to convict him on alll this other physical cruelties based on what other punks are saying to get off!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Yeah.. “You people” need to check yourselves and not be so ignorant of black culture. Dawg.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
It’s good to hear these responses. Everyone saw his walk differently. To me, there was no remorse. I know Kobe is a different situation, but when he had the Colorado situation, the man would walk with his head up, biting his lip, and then he’d look down. He wasn’t strutting like Vick. I’m telling you guys … the dude REALLY is in denial. Is it wrong for me to assume this from a 100 foot walk? Perhaps. But it’s what i saw.
But at this point, i just hope everyone realizes the evidence in this case is OVERWHELMING. And it’s been pointed out everywhere that the Feds in VA have something like a 90% conviction rate on indictments.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
In our country…what happened to “Innocent until proven Guilty”. I know for black that we feel that its the other way around but people are criticizing the way a man walks into court.
The local authorities were after Vick’s cousin for drugs and dog’s but he is not involve in the indictment? What is wrong with that picture?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Jolly, I never once said that I know Vick is guilty, so quit putting words in my mouth. And then you say that you are “not ready to convict him on alll this other physical cruelties based on what other punks are saying to get off!” Wow. So all of the sudden you are an expert on this case? How do you know what other people said or didn’t say? We don’t know for certain if Vick is guilty, but all I’m saying is the way he was walking looked like, in my opinion, that he just doesn’t give a shit
July 27th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
The evidence in this case HASN’T BEEN PRESENTED YET IN A COURT OF LAW. What is “overwhelming” are the purposely detailed description of alleged crimes described in the indictment.
It’s not “wrong” for you assume anything from the 100 foot walk to the courthouse. It’s just that your assumption is bizzare.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
He doesn’t give a shit……..about all these PETA people who are ready to cut his head off!!!!!!
You know how many times you are the focus of attention and do sumtin that others later mention and you had no idea you did? Man stop your nonsense….
And how do I know what others said? Well tell me how the hell the Feds know he was there for these acts!!!!! Did they dust his prints off the bones they reportedly unearthed? Or did they have an inside man? Well I guess the fact that this all came about from a Drug search, the answer to a mole would be NO! So unless the Feds are just making up charges….my guess is they are depending on a prick who already HAS confessed to b eing there, and relying on him to place Vick there…now am smart enough to come to that conclusion without looking at the Indictment…..You on the other hand are just jumping in with the masses withuot much thought….I wonder why….Want to see another man go down at all cost maybe?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Nothing was intended to cause an uproar here ladies. All I’m asking, or comparing is both guys under heat. The reaction to Vick acting like an arrogant asshole that thinks he will get off is…
“Look at that smug little bitch… He’s effing dead, career over.”
The reaction to Bonds acting like an arrogant asshole to deflect questions is…
“Well, he’s the best ever and he has always been like that”
THE REALITY of this is that BOTH faced severe federal indictments and accusations.
Neither player has directly defended themselves from said accusations and otheres, implying essentially what Shilling said about Bonds to be true, only it is only true for Vick at this point in time; something I find interesting. They are both black, high-profile athletes. Both face federal indictment. I don’t see what is so far-fetched about my observation dickheads.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Well, I take it back johnny. You ARE fuckin’ nuts. That makes no sense whatsoever.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Just to clarify, I’m well aware that dogfighting is a far greater offense than taking illegal drugs, cheating the national past-time, and tax evasion; nevertheless, I assert that the two athelets are using the same defense mechanism to avoid the questions, but only Vick is on auto-condemn mode right now, when I just think that should equally be the case for Bonds, since VICKS ACTIONS ILLICITED this article, Bonds’ don’t do the same?
July 27th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
i think TBL said this in a previous post when the case was breaking but…the federal government doesn’t go around indicting people carelessly…the evidence hasn’t been presented yet as ks said but, for a federal indictment, one would have to think that this is not exactly a “witch-hunt” as some people might argue…just sayin’
July 27th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
The reason why people are after you is because of your previous comments on other post on this site Johnny. You are entitled to your opinion my man but this post was about Vick…not Bonds! You brought in Bonds to stir a shouting match like to did in the Bonds post yesterday which isnt cool.
Like I asked you earlier…why are you mad son?
July 27th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Whoever was filling in for Mike and Mike the other day made a great point. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to you going to jail for the rest of your life. It has nothing to do with your job status or endorsement deals.
Do you really think if any of us sitting in our cubes right now were indicted we would be working next week. I highly doubt it.
Also, I see the race card but are you defending the NBA ref right now and claiming people are only going at him because of his race? I think they both deserve to get attacked in the media right now.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Sorry johnny, your clarification doesn’t work either. Same “defense mechanism to avoid the questions” WTF? Both guys would be absolutely insane to ignore their lawyers advice and answer questions just to satisfy the media mob and assorted other grandstanders.
I guess Curt Schilling used that same “defense mechanism” when he suddenly got all meek in front of Congress.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
I keep hearing this “overwhelming evidence” rhetoric……Can someone tell me what this “overwhelming evidence” is?
Because the only thing that can place Vick at these dog executions are witnesses….which will put the witnesses in the same boat as Vick….except that they’ll be confessing to being there ….unlike Vick…..Otherwise what “overwhelming evidence” is there? That there were dogfights on the property? We agree there…..that Vick knew about it? Well I think he did…..but that doesn’t mean he participated in torturing them, which is the most titillating and emotional aspect of this whole case.
And last I checked….Drug dealing are Felonies too!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Kobe was Indicted for RAPE! He still worked right? I know that is federal case but the fact remains that they still have the right to earn a living working!
July 27th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Gatorman 28: Micheal Vick did this to HIMSELF. It’s not because he’s from the South or he’s a black male. Stop using geography or race as excuses.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Jolly, are you related to Johnny? Same kinda rambling, incoherent nonsene.
“now am smart enough to come to that conclusion without looking at the Indictment”….So…NOT looking at the indictment makes you smarter on the subject? hmmm.
“You on the other hand are just jumping in with the masses withuot much thought….I wonder why….Want to see another man go down at all cost maybe?”
Yes, Jolly, I want to see one of the most entertaining players in my favorite sport “go down” for no reason. I have nothing, not a FEDERAL INDICTMENT or the fact that he owned the freaking house to support a belief that he MIGHT be guilty. Again, nothing is proven yet, but the evidence is stacked against him. And not everyone who pointed to Vick is just some “prick” that wants to get off easy. There was a lawyer on TV yesterday talking about receiving calls from people who said they saw Vick at the house during fights. Are they %100 credible? Probably not, but the people calling wanted to remain anonymous, so obviously they aren’t trying to avoid jail time. Stop making assumptions about me, all I’ve said is it looks bad for Vick and the way he’s carrying himself isn’t helping
July 27th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Steve said…..but the people calling wanted to remain anonymous, so obviously they aren’t trying to avoid jail time.
Jolly says…..HUH???????? If they saw Vick there DURING the fights….Then they were aware of the fighting….NO? Isn’t there a charge for that? Uhm…Cohersion? I dunno…all I know is that there’s charges…..And with the location of the pits…How did these people know fights were going on? And how did they know Vick was there? Was he strutting…sorry, jauntily bouncing up the street cash in hand for betting?
Dude sorry…this guy has knowledge of what goings on was at that House…but let the trial proceed before heaping all this junk at his feet…cause i see no overwhelming evidence that he was the head honcho in alll this charges and execution claims!
July 27th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
its not an excuse Dontnomuch!
Here is a fact. I am originally from the South….Born and Raised there. Moved to a different part of the country…The MIDWEST (KANSAS CITY TO BE EXACT). People except different type of behavior in different areas. That happens world wide. What is ok in Atlanta may not be ok in Texas, California or Mexico.
Does it make it right….it depends on how you were raised. But you are not opening your mind to see that or understand that. That’s what makes this country the way that it is. Diversity!
July 27th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Yes, being at the house could get you in trouble. But, like i freakin said, they wanted to remain anonymous. How the hell are you gonna get out of trouble by not stating who you are?
As far as how they knew Vick was there? What, it’s impossible to pick out an NFL QB in a crowd? Give me a break
July 27th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Jolly,
When you strip away all the drama, unless they have physical evidence that Vick eletrocuted dogs and whatnot (e.g fingerprints, DNA, pictures, etc.) or transported them for the pupose of dogfighting, the case seems likely to come down to witnesses and whether they are reliable or not. In particular, Devon Boddie who lived in the house but, tellingly, wasn’t indicted. He has a possession of mj with intent to distribute charge hanging over his head, so he’s probably been flipped but who knows how reliable he’ll be. Should be interesting…
July 27th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
KS, they may be insane to ignore their attorney’s but they look guilty as hell giving everyone the silent treatment. If innocent of a crime you are accused of, wouldn’t you feel compelled to speak on your own behalf to preserve whatever integrity you have left after facing charges like these. Even if Vick only came out to say, ” I didn’t do it.” at least people would be able to judge his demeanor, repore, look at him, see if he is lying. The silence is damning for both indifiduals and is only emboldening the opposing opinions. That was my point. You seem to be the one getting everyone riled up. If they were innocent, they would have spoken up on SOMETHING by now. and by no means is curt shilling the moral standard here, he pussed out just as bad my locking his lips in congress. his integrity is garbage anyways. never thought he was that great of a pitcher in the 90’s either. chill out man. besides, I was totally right on the other post, 100%…………………………. i kid! i kid! seriously, did i hurt your feelings yesterday/ sorry. can we be budddies.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Johnny needs some Vicodin
July 27th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
KS, there are seven posssible wittnesses against vick in this case. im pretty sure they will not need any real evidence, cause 4 corroborating stories is damning, 7 is surefire ass banging in the future for Vick. it doesnt appear as though he is giving any of the other individuals facing the same charges any reason to back him up either. oops.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Besides, yesterday was fun.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
I know that we have dog lovers here and may be some PETA people here as well. I will bring two points to those people about judgment.
1. a few weeks ago a 2 year old child was raped by a dog in which the parents owned. It barely made as much headlines as this case and the outrage was basically non-existent.
2. Cockfighting is cruel but I don’t see people from PETA trying to throw people that do that in jail. Last I check a chicken is an animal.
So please let the case be completed before you rush to judgment!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
As far as Vick making a comment. He’s damned if he makes one, damned if he doesn’t. If he makes a comment most people would judge his body language and convict him for doing that. Plus the judge would eat that alive by saying that he is trying to play this through the media to get sympathy!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
What do either of your points have to do with Vick killing and training dogs to fight?
July 27th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Brett Favre kills deer.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Jolly
Are you sure your first name is not Marcus because you are taking this defense awfully personal. And I have to say that when you used the word “titillating” it made me laugh. I mean come on….”titillating,” really?
July 27th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
I dunno A10. Try reading the article and finding out what the topic was. Seeing as it is not about Vick training and killing dogs, I feel it is relavent to point out that the article is actually about body language and the lack of some sort of statement from Vick and how it makes him look guilty as hell. What does your comment provide in terms of contributing to THAT conversation?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
This is the most asinine worded post in TBL history. Say what you want, that first paragraph says clearly that you think he is guilty already. Mike Vick has been in the public eye for a long time now, and I’m pretty sure he almost always has the same look on his face, the same walk, etc. I saw him walk up the courtroom steps, I didnt see a “saunter” up the steps, and it didn’t anger me at all, so I guess it didnt anger everyone who saw it. I know the word gets thrown around a bit too much these days, but lines like “he had the jaunty bounce of a cocksure convict” saying he had a repellant smirk and defiance in his eyes, and all in all bashing the way the man WALKED INTO THE COURTROOM just reeks of prejudice and racism. Its nice when the blacks thrill you with a sweet TD run or an 81 point game, but let anyone accuse them of anything bad and its straight hate. Its too bad Vick didnt have the judgemental white folks on his mind as he entered the courtroom, he could have walked a little straighter, tried to soften his eyes a bit, tried not to “smirk”, and maybe he could have done a little shuck and jive too, just to appease all the judgemental white folks like the ones who run this site.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
What I find funny is that the parody i put forth on this site about how Vick would be defended was derided by some, and I’m guessing they were black, as racist.
And then a black guy named Deion puts out the truth behind the parody, defending the inner city culture of crazy shit like having dogs fight to the death.
“By now you’ve read all of the accusations about the cruelty involving the dogs — and I’m not just talking about their duels to the death. All of that is enough to make me cringe because I have three highly-trained protection German shepherds, just in case someone wants to rob my family.”
LMAO. Like I said, I was just getting it out there…it was a matter of time. It will get worse.
Did Vick get rid of the braids? Why? Trying to look more white or something?
Vick is so goddamned illiterate that he can’t even defend himself.
That is the fucking tragedy here.
July 28th, 2007 at 1:07 am
THE BIG LEAD, the big joke, tell us how you really feel. Come on TBL! All that evidence they got against Michael Vick the corroborated stories of four felons? White people want the best of it all in this case, you want to hammer Vick, but claim he is entitled due process, while you hang him from a tree.
None of you white people get this outraged when it’s rich white businessmen abusing animals by the millions Veal for example, or are you too stupid to know what that is MR. BIG LEAD! Do you want to try to argue for a minute with me that you would rather be a veal cow, than a pitbull that is involved in dogfighting!! Oh but those are the crimes of White businessmen so they are ok.
The problem with white people is they see no value in people of color. For example, the people clamoring to boycott Nike, the sweatshops in Asia were not enough for you because 5 year old colored kids working instead of getting educated is OK, dogs being killed, no way!!!
Perhaps MR. Big Dummy, Mr. Vick walked with defiance because he is innocent! To be honest at this point it doesn’t matter to me, I’ve seen the battle and I’m siding with Vick. I don’t care if he killed a 1000 dogs, I don’t think he killed one, but if he did I could care less. The value of my black brothers is far exceeding that of a dog to me.
You pick your side MR. BIG LEAD, I’ve picked mine.
July 28th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Awesome blog Goober, especially how every post had the racism tag. You stay vigilant brother! It will be shameful when Vick’s black brothers rat him out to save their own ass (sellouts to the Devil!).
This is why prosecutors always prefer getting a plea.
July 28th, 2007 at 2:12 am
The blog is about racism in sports STUPID! Hence the tag racism everywhere, perhaps you could educate yourself on these matters before blabbing your big mouth. We’ll see and you keep wetting yourself waiting for the conviction. Obviously you are a person who very much cares about DOGS!
I notice you didn’t take me up on my challenge of Veal vs fighting pitbulls either, but you are more than welcome loser!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:47 am
“it’s just dogs!”……Nice to see Reebok and Nike care more about dogs than China-men or China-kid workers making a dollar a day.
Jussst Kidding about the dog crack…………………………..
July 28th, 2007 at 5:13 am
Everyone can have a side, Jay. There’s no right or wrong answer … yet. He may get convicted. Maybe he won’t. It’s all conjecture until there’s a ruling.
But for those of you wondering about the actual case against mike Vick … just look here:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0717072vick1.html
Febrile speculation. Fun.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Ok Big Lead, but will you admit that you’d rather be a fighting Pitbull than a veal cow? Why is it legal to torture the crap out of a Veal cow? Why are you not outraged by that one? This is about the animals right?
July 28th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Jay, what is your native language? It sure the fuck isn’t English. Your challenge of veal cows vs fighting pitbulls? Huh/what?? I know I’d rather be a veal cow then your retarded ass.
Nice try trying to copy NOISB’s schtick. A poorly written, ham handed try, but nice try.
July 28th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Sorry you are so ignorant and hateful Dirty Sanchez, the question is very simple to anybody with half a brain. Would you rather be a cow that becomes Veal or a Pitbull that is trained for fighting.
The answer is simple the Pitbull. So you white people can talk about disgusting and heinous acts all you want, but the truth is you commit attrocities far worse than somebody fighting a Pitbull, electrocuting a Pitbull, or anything else ALLEGED against Vick and his co-defendants. Sorry to spoil your little hate fest with some logic.
Within moments of birth, male calves born on dairies are taken away from their mothers and loaded onto trucks. Many are sold through auction rings where they are subjected to transportation and handling stresses. The fragile animals are shocked and kicked, and when they can no longer walk, they are dragged by their legs or even their ears.
Every year, approximately one million calves are confined in crates measuring just two feet wide. They are chained by the neck to restrict all movement, making it is impossible for them to turn around, stretch, or even lie down comfortably. This severe confinement makes the calves’ meat “tender†since the animals muscles cannot develop.
Published scientific research indicates that calves confined in crates experience “chronic stress†and require approximately five times more medication than calves living in more spacious conditions. It is not surprising then, that veal is among the most likely meat to contain illegal drug residues which pose a threat to human health.
Researchers have also reported that calves confined in crates exhibit abnormal coping behaviors associated with frustration. These include head tossing, head shaking, kicking, scratching, and stereotypical chewing behavior. Confined calves also experience leg and joint disorders and an impaired ability to walk.
In addition to restricting the animals’ movement, veal producers severely limit what their animals can eat. The calves are fed an all liquid milk-substitute which is purposely deficient in iron and fiber. It is intended to produce borderline anemia and the pale colored flesh fancied by ‘gourmets’. At approximately sixteen weeks of age, these weak animals are slaughtered and marketed as “white†veal (also known as “fancyâ€, “milk-fedâ€, “special fedâ€, and “formula fed†veal). Besides the expensive veal which comes from calves who are kept in small wooden crates, “bob†veal is the flesh of calves who may be slaughtered at just a few hours or days old. While these calves are spared intensive confinement, they are still subjected to inhumane transport, handling, and slaughter, and many die before reaching the slaughterhouse.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Just for the record … the guy who wrote this post is NOT white. There is no racism here at all.
Do i think Vick is guilty? Yes. That is my opinion. I read the indictment, I spoke with a few lawyer friends about the case (who have also read the indictment) and I feel Vick is guilty. He could walk and he’ll still be guilty in my eyes.
You know how McGwire/Bonds/Clemens cheated and haven’t been found guilty of steroids? They are guilty in my eyes. Maybe not yours, and that’s fine.
OJ Simpson? Guilty in my eyes. Yours? Maybe not.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
I just read the bizarre Veal Cow/Pit Bull question and it makes no sense. Can you provide a link to all this Veal Cow business? That might help clear things up. If it’s your opinion, fine … but you are stating it as fact and I need to see some backed up evidence.
Also, pit bulls are not born to fight, which is what you seem to be implying. Here is some reading on pit bulls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
July 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Can you name me an Animal that is “born to fight”?
Or maybe a person who was “born to lead” or “born to be a RB”?!!!!
What is your point regarding them not being “born to fight? Are Lions born to hunt?
July 28th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Mike Vick has ALWAYS carried himself with that SWAGGER. ALWAYS. I’d sugget you look back on his history. HE WASN’T BEING FAKE – PHONY OR PREENING FOR THE CAMERAS. Mike was genuinely being himself.
If you can’t take the fact that he walks like he’s ROYALTY that’s YOUR problem. Dude is a PHENOMINAL MAN.
Something the lesser types (LIKE YOU) would never know. When he BEATS this -and he will – He’ll still have your gals throwing panties at him.
Just the power of Phenominal Black man. He can’t help it.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
I still don’t see the correlation between veal and pit bulls, or how raising veal is a heinous crime commited only by whites. Do you not eat veal, beef, pork, chickens, or any other animal raised solely for the purpose of eating them? Or, more importantly, what ANY of this has to do with Mike Vick being indicted on felony charges. Maybe Vick’s lawyer will bring up the brilliant veal cow/pit bull analogy in court to prove his client’s innocence.
Then again, I’m apprently ignorant, so I’m not supposed to understand such weighty subjects. I’ll just sit here meekly and let others tell me what I’m supposed to believe, think and say.
July 28th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
I agree that killing/torturing dogs is awfull… but OJ and Ray Lewis murdered HUMAN BEINGS and they haven’t been slammed as hard as Vick has. Its odd to see Vick getting scrutinized before being “convicted” and we all know that OJ and Lewis are murderers… just doesn’t make sense.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Yeah TBL its easy for you to SAY that the guy who wrote this isn’t white, but we’ll never really know now will we. You know, cuz you guys hide behind a site name and dont put your pictures on anything.
July 28th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Well there is something on Veal to start with, but are you really questioning Veal as being cruel?
http://www.noveal.org/
http://www.hsus.org/farm/camp/totc/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veal
Here is an excerpt from the Humane Society of the United States the same group that everyone is rallying behind to prosecute Vick.
Due to animal welfare concerns, the entire European Union has already banned both veal crates and gestation crates, effective 2007 and 2013, respectively. Yet, in the United States, the use of these abusive crates remains customary practice.
For both calves and pigs, intensive confinement in crates causes painful and severe welfare problems. The HSUS is working to end the cruelty inherent in veal and gestation crate confinement..
1. Interesting that you need to see facts to pass judgement on Veal, but on Vick it’s no problem to speculate about his evil.
2. The question is not so hard, given the choice of being seperated from your mother at birth and living your whole life in crate 2ft by 2ft wide or being raised as a pet, potentially being given steroids or drugs, being trained to fight, spending hours on treadmills, etc… which would you rather do? Of course the latter!!! What do they with people in prison who act up? They do the isolation thing!
3. Pitbulls are born to fight, anybody who says they are not is lying. You can take the nicest pitbull in the world, put them in a dogpark with 5 other dogs, throw a toy in there and see which dogs get aggressive in a hurry. 9 times out of 10 the Pitbull will show the dog aggression over another breed. Anybody who says otherwise is feeding you some b.s. propoganda. Sure a lot of it is the owners, but these dogs are just naturally dog aggressive.
4. There are two different issues here one is the legal issue, the other is the moral issue. What I keep hearing from people is that Vick’s crime was so heinous, so disturbing, that it offends their morality. Then my question is how come Veal doesn’t offend their reality much more! If this is about a legal matter than quit bringing up the so heinous, dog victims, etc… Wait for the trial and let the man go to jail if convicted, but quit faking the outrage.
Why are John Kerry, Robert Byrd and so many outraged by this, but sit quietly back and watch millions of animals get abused legally. Where is our Veal ban like the EU’s?
July 29th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
What if we find out that Michael Vick raised his pitbulls on veal steaks? What then? Would this “comments” section spontaneously combust?
July 29th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Perhaps if Vick was just a casual bystander in some of these fights instead of the Vince McMahon of dogfighting, he would’nt be standing in…well…dog shit.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:20 am
Ha now the board wants comedy. This is typical for these hatefests, presented with facts the mood lightens. I thought this was a serious issue, a heinous crime, now it’s a joke.
The point is if you want to prosecute a person who tortures animals and you live in America, unless you are a vegetarian or on a staple of organic free-range meats, you have no further to look than the mirror!
July 30th, 2007 at 3:03 am
Jay, I was laughing to hard reading your post, so i didnt finish it all … but do you see the fundamental difference between slaughtering animals for food (the steaks we eat, the lamb chops, etc) … and setting up a multi-state dog fighting ring where if a dog didn’t win, it was often killed? I’m guessing Vick and his buddies weren’t hacking up dogs and then trying to sell the meat on the blackmarket to safeway.
Are any of the animals that produce hamburgers, veal, etc pets? If you tell a cow to sit or fetch, does it listen?
July 30th, 2007 at 3:58 am
Good solid debate on some of the morality issues here. I think though, anyone with a brain realizes this isn’t a morality issue. People in this country haven’t, and will never, care about animal cruelty. They do like to stick it to millionaire athletes who don’t deserve all the money, who they wish they were, basically. That’s why everyone’s so gleeful about this Mike Vick thing. It’s another rich athlete who doesn’t appreciate his situation going down.
But TBL, you suffer from the classic case of confirmation bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
You have absolutely no reason to believe Vick was walking in an arrogant, defiant manner, so you claim it’s your “opinion.” But your opinion is based on nothing more than your preconceived notion that Vick is a disgusting person. Per that fact, you will interpret everything he does from this point forward as disgusting. If he walks up to the court in his normal gait, he’s an arrogant asshole. If he crawls up crying his eyes out, it’s an admission of guilt to a disgusting crime. If he doesn’t speak to the media proclaiming his innocence, its an admission of guilt. If he speaks to the media proclaiming his innocence (like he did before), he’s a liar an dis thumbing his nose at the law. It’s the same thing with any athlete you don’t like, and hte opposite for any athlete you don’t like. I’ll take a perfect example from the wider sports media. WHen Cal Ripken plays hurt and forces himself into the lineup, holding his team hostage for years for his own selfish record, its portrayed as noble, since the media likes him. When Miguel Tejada pinch-hits a day after gettign hurt to keep his streak up, doing the same thing, he is killed as a selfish athlete, since the media doesn’t like him. Isn’t it the media’s JOB not to have biases. Remember the one they had in 2002, the one that bought everything President Bush said about WMD’s in Iraq? Now you see where that leads to. I know this is a blog, and you have no responsibility to NOT suffer from confirmation bias like the wider media does, but its the same disingenuous behavior people critice ESPN for, and you seem to be the same.
July 30th, 2007 at 4:10 am
O yeah TBL, and your “pets” argument is just drawing at straws at this point. The issue is ANIMAL cruelty….unless you sincerely believe there is somethign more sinister about it purely because the animals are domesticated (now that may be a reason that people PERCEIVE it as being worse, but that doesn’t make that judgment reasonable on a moral scale by any means). And had, after subsequently killing these dogs, Mike Vick eaten them like any hunter (or Chinese person), would you really be ok with it at that point? Didn’t think so.
Torture is torture….forcing them to fight is just one type.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Jesus, you all are sure beating this horse to death here. If TBL (or anyone else) wants to view Vick as guilty, then so be it. It’s a free country and that’s their right. Same goes for the others that want Vick to walk no matter what evidence is presented. Each side will accuse the other of being racist and their views as preconceived. Blah blah blah.
July 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
white people will always hates black people. they wish sports was the way it was in 1930. kill the white people
July 30th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
TBL a couple of points here, just because I intend to eat an animal does not mean I can abuse it to no end. If I were to take a cow out in the middle of NY City and start poking it’s eyes, breaking it’s bones, branding it, poking it, prodding it, etc… Do you think people would want me to stop?
I have no issue with carnivores and I am a struggling vegetarian “wanna-be” myself. I think where I take issue is with the massive widespread abuse of animals. Even more so i take issue with the fact that it only becomes an issue when a black man is involved. This Mike Vick thing is not about animal cruelty. It’s about racism.
Finally if you are set on your theory about this having to do with pets, then you should look into puppy mills. http://stoppuppymills.org/ another sick form of widespread animal abuse by white businessmen, widely ignored by the public.