Brett Favre’s Beaten … Green Bay Twice and Baltimore. Sure, Let’s Make Him the MVP!
NFL, Video November 23rd. 2009, 5:10pm
Seen a lot of folks touting Brett Favre as a legit MVP candidate. Worthy of the Top 10? Certainly. Guy’s competing 69 percent of his passes and has 21 TDs against three picks. Let’s also remember a few things: His defense leads the league in sacks (36) and is 3rd against the rush. His running back, Adrian Peterson, is 3rd in the league in rushing. And now, putting Favre’s gaudy stats in perspective:
* Of those nine wins, only two (Green Bay twice) came against teams with winning records. He has plenty of motivation to beat the Packers; heck, if he played Green Bay 10 more times in a row, we’re certain he’d win all 10.
* The last time he faced a real defense: Pittsburgh. What happened? Oh, right – sacked four times, threw a pick, fumbled. The Steelers defense scored twice.
Favre is an MVP contender. But on our ballot, he’s not in the top five. Up top has to be Peyton Manning, who has excelled despite injuries all around him. Drew Brees would be 2nd. Third won’t be popular, but he’s more important to his team than Favre is: Wes Welker in New England. Tom Brady is lost without him. Four is Favre’s teammate, defensive end Jared Allen: 2nd in the league in sacks, a safety, a defensive TD, and three forced fumbles. He’s been dominant. Rounding out our top five is Tennessee running back Chris Johnson, who is averaging a staggering 6.4 ypg on a bad team with no quarterback. He’s gone over 100 yards in five of nine games and he’s averaging 121 yards per game. If he can average 150 over the final 7 games – a longshot, but he is facing four bad defenses – then he’ll go over 2,000 for the season.
Perhaps we’re just in the minority – with T Jackson at the helm, the Vikings are probably 7-3. [Star Trib]
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November 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Perhaps we’re just in the minority – with T Jackson at the helm, the Vikings are probably 7-3.
Definitely the minority. TJack at QB and the Vikings are 5-5 at best.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
sage would have them at least 7-3.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
That doesn’t sound like number 5 material to me. If they win more games down the stretch, he’s gotta be higher.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I liked their chances this season with Sage…he’d be talking retirement again right now if he were still in Green Bay and getting clobbered every week
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
TJack would find ways to lose. Brett wins these games. It’s in the postseason when Brett finds a way to gunsling his team to a loss.
And right now, MVP is either Drew Brees or Peyton Manning. Without them, their teams aren’t where they are right now. And neither team has a backup as good for them that can step in and do what they do.
Favre is the third most valuable Viking — behind Peterson and Allen.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
T-Jack/Sage don’t beat SF/Balt/GB twice.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
But you don’t understand, he’s Brett Farve. That doesn’t matter.
Brady has loved Welker rthe last couple years, but he wasn’t that “lost” pre-Welker.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
The standard argument when making a case for or against a MVP candidate in the NFL is would the team be better, worse or the same without a certain player?
In 2008 the Saints were 17th in total offense and 12th in points. In 2009 they’re 8 and 2 respectively. Favre has taken them from an average to top ten offense and one of the favorites to make the Super Bowl.
With that said, it’s a crap shoot because football is a team game.
/I loathe Favre.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
You guys are a bunch of haters. For over a year the consensus was the Vikings were a QB away.Now that the QB away is Favre and they’re winning its everyone but the QB.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Third won’t be popular, but he’s more important to his team than Favre is: Wes Welker in New England.
Welker cannot be more valuable than Tom Brady and Randy Moss, it is not possible.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Why the hell is this guy still returning punts for NE? They can’t get some asshole with speed that can’t run routes to return a couple kicks a game. Welker is the most underrateted and under appreciated receiver in the league. Brady and Moss are no where near the players they are without this guy.
/I hate to say it, Favre is MVP right now
//pukes
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Welker over Moss this year for offensive importance, but over Brady sounds a little tough to believe.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I expect better from you TBL. I’m gonna attribute this to a post lunch mountain dew induced sugar high. Or something like that.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I thought this last year. Makes no sense.
/fuck NE, hope he gets hurt returning
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Favre is second behind Manning. Brees is third. Everyone else shouldn’t be mentioned.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Welker over Moss this year for offensive importance, but over Brady sounds a little tough to believe.
Randy’s presence helps Welker out more than the other way around. Nobody stretches the field like Moss.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
This is prepostrous. Outright inane, infact. Edelman is interchangeable with welker, moss (and the two DB’s it takes to cover him) is interchangeable with no one in the league’s history
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
When will we just rename the NFL MVP award the Heisman and be done with it…when was the last time a non-QB/RB/WR won it?
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
The whole “they haven’t beaten anybody!” thing can only go so far. They’re not just beating the teams they’re supposed to beat, they’re giving them a shitkicking. Their average margin of victory is two touchdowns.
And no, no chance in HELL they’re 7-3 with either Tarvaris or Sage. They lose both Green Bay games and the SF game, and probably Baltimore too.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
We need a post about how the AFC North is overrated this season after this weekend.
Moss does still command a lot of attention, but he has lost a couple steps and isn’t the threat he was..
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Lawrence Taylor in 86
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
This.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
You guys are a bunch of haters. For over a year the consensus was the Vikings were a QB away.Now that the QB away is Favre and they’re winning its everyone but the QB.
Not saying I agree with the people who say Favre isn’t the reason, but it’s possible for a missing ingredient to come to a team and not be the best player on that team. Favre has a better defense this year than he had in New York last year and Adrian Peterson is a huge improvement at running rack. Having him back there opens up the passing game more. Of course you could say this the other way too: Favre makes the Vikings defense better and make Adrian Peterson better.
/vomits profusely.
//don’t actually believe any of this.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
LT maybe? It has been awhile…
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Moss does still command a lot of attention, but he has lost a couple steps and isn’t the threat he was..
uh…he has 8 TD’s already and 14 20+ yard plays. He may have lost a 1/2 step from his 4.2 40 and may not be able to vertically leap 50” but the dude is still more athletic than 95% of NFL DB’s
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
/jmorris
//it’s been awhile
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Look, I don’t like rooting for Favre either. You’d have to be braindead to suddenly ignore 16 years of vehemently rooting against someone, not only because he plays for Green Bay but because of the media hype. Now he’s the Vikes QB, and he’s GOOD. All I care about: this is the most fun Vikes team to watch since 1998 and Favre is a huge reason.
/shoots self
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Vikings with Favre 9-1, w/o probably 5-5 maybe 6-4. That has to put Favre in the top 3, but what is the Colts/Saits records without their QB? Gotta think <.500, right? Isn’t that how you judge a players value to the team?
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Agreed 100%.
/also shoots self
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
not arguing moss’ value, but this statement is retarded. welker is not interchangeable with edelman, we saw that earlier this season when he was out and edelman was in the slot the whole game. he might be a similar player, but he cant hold welkers jock right now.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Cincinnati in the mantoman!
/Raftery
//They’re actually playing what looks like a 2-3 matchup zone
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:45 pm
The Vikings MVP has to be Jay Cutler
/snickers
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I don’t know if MIN is 5-5 without Favre. It has been a pretty easy schedule. Without Favre, they lose to Pitt, once to GB, SF, and Bal. So maybe 6-4.
That being said, the guy is absolutely an MVP candidate. Close to 70% completion rate with 21 TD’s to 3 INTs (and only 1 Fumble) is pretty impressive.
The Favre hate here gets more and more amusing.
Harvey Dent
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Forgot to say that’s racist.
Welker is unbelieveable at adjusting to the ball to make catches look easy, and is quicker than DBs, which is very rare.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
@ NSR its not that he played long enough to be hated, it’s that he’s a douche
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Saints w/o Brees 3-7
Colts w/o Manning 1-9
Vikes w/o Favre 6-4
That’s just guessing but you still can’t take away the fact that Favre has played GREAT this year. That’s why I’ll put him behind Manning but slightly ahead of Brees.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
There are lots of douches in this league. Most of them bigger than Favre, and they don’t get a 10th of the grief he does. I don’t really have an opinion of him, but I can certainly appreciate what he’s done this year.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
So Lance Stepheson went to Cincy? So THAT’s why I forgot about him.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
If you believed any of his supposed retirements then it’s your fault for not paying attention. Seriously, you didn’t have to be a genius to figure out that he has always wanted to play until he physically couldn’t anymore. My father in law is a Packers fan and I told him way back when Favre first hinted at retirement that Favre would play for at least 5 more years.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
If VORP is being used to calculate the MVP trophy, Favre has to be in the conversation.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Right. Dude played QB in college, posted a welker-esqe 8 receptions for 98 yards with a hurting Randy and a still adjusting brady against the jets. Get real, he’s a glorified wayne chrebet. Ain’t nobody game planning for Wes Welker.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Brett Favre w/ Jets untill week 11: 7-3
Jets w/o Favre week 11: 4-6
Favre MVP
/that’s a bannin’
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Semitic and caucasian are the same race? I should’ve studied harder in school.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 pm
This is what I was thinking during the Jets game would he go down as a Wayne Chrebet/Brandon Stokley or would he end up be viewed as a an elite even though he plays the slot.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
this is the greatest Big Lead post ever. And I mean that with no sarcasm.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
darren sharper in the mix?
i love carla gugino, and she’s a great broadway actress, so not just a vacant babe
if that anonymous WR doesn;t make that amazing catch against SF, they don;t win. one more time—favre chucked it in the general direction. the WR made that play (catch, feet in, guy all over him)
other than that, i got nothin’
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
oh, i love raftery and hubie brown. i don’t know shit about basketball, i just like their shticks and accents
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
favre gets comeback player of the year, and that’s all
/cuz there’s no Never Went Away Award
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
i love carla gugino
Seconded. She’s drool inducing.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
ms, bless you. it’s pics like that that make an argument for naked’s not always best. hachi machi
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@vezina: she was also a better Karen Sisco than Jennifer Lopez was.
/carla gugino is criminally underappreciated.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
carla gugino fan club, TBL region
ms, prez (you had pics). me, vp
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Tarvaris is not an average replacement player.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Wait a second. Matt Ryan has regressed because his defense gives up a ton of points and his record is average, but Brett Favre isn’t an MVP candidate because his defense is good? So which is it? Defense matters in the record or it doesn’t? Someone likes cherry picking stats.
Ahh, love the hypocrisy.