Red Sox and Yankees Set to Fight Over Roy Halladay
1-liner, Baseball November 25th. 2009, 9:55amRoy Halladay: “The Red Sox are “putting on a full-court press” to acquire Roy Halladay, according to a source, and are hoping to add the former Cy Young winner to the top of their rotation to go with Josh Beckett and Jon Lester.” [NYDN]
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November 25th, 2009 at 10:02 am
This is the Johan thing all over again. Not happening.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:03 am
that would be pretty cool as long as they don’t give up too much. I’d still like to see Adrian Gonzalez or Miguel Cabrera come over in a trade, sign Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, too.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Does Bucholz and Reddick get it done?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Exactly.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:12 am
SI.com Truth&Rumors says the Dodgers and Angels are also in the hunt.
/Dodger fan not exactly holding breath
November 25th, 2009 at 10:12 am
it’s not happening.
I think they resign Bay, I dont think they get Cabrera or Holliday
November 25th, 2009 at 10:15 am
MLB homeplate said that the Yanks might offer Hughes AND Joba for Halladay…no. Or, a Hughes/Joba plus Jackson AND Montero…again, no.
Oh, and Damon wants a three/four year deal. Any team that wants to give him that…good luck.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:16 am
that would be pretty cool as long as they don’t give up too much. I’d still like to see Adrian Gonzalez or Miguel Cabrera come over in a trade, sign Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, too.
While they’re at it, they should see about adding Lincecum and Mauer, and perhaps get Hanley Ramirez back
November 25th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Guarantee you Halladay goes somewhere this offseason. Who knows where to.
Buchholz + a couple lower prospects is probably all they should offer, but it would take more Im assuming.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Id pay money to see that, although I think Austin Jackson won’t be very good, and Jesus Montero will be a slow, shitty defensive 1b or DH (albeit a very good hitting one)
November 25th, 2009 at 10:19 am
From a Jays fan:
Hope not
Fuck Joba and Hughes. We need starting pitchers with upside, not failed starters who are solid in the pen. Jackson & Montero are interesting though.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Not happening with both Hughes and Joba. It didnt happen for a younger Johan so do not see it happening now when hughes and joba have proved themselves more.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:25 am
What have they proven themselves to be exactly? Wasn’t Chad Gaudin ahead of them on the starting pitcher depth chart at the end of the season?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Yanks could’ve had Santana for Cabrera, Kennedy and Jackson.
/cries
November 25th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Hughes turned out to be a force in the pen, so they kept him in, and Joba had that stupid fucking “Joba rules” thing so that’s why Gaudin was in the rotation.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:27 am
GSG I think they wanted Hughes and the Yankees wouldn’t do that.
The package we got from the Mets is better than Cabrera, Kennedy and Jackson. And we got a bunch of shit from the Mets.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I like having a strong bullpen as much as the next guy but it doesn’t mean shit if you have no starting pitching. Every single stat for Joba suggests he is a 3rd/4th starter at best.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Fetch – I was hearing Cabrera, kennedy and Jackson/Tabata. The twins asked for Hughes, Cabrera and Tabata and we balked. I would do that in a heartbeat.
although I love Hughes. I remember listening online to WFAN and hearing folks complaining that they didn’t want KENNEDY shipped out.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:35 am
oh how I wish.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Yea but Hughes was shit as a starter this year, whether it was due to injury or delivery issues. We really, REALLY needed him in the pen this season, with AJ being the headcase that he is. Joba…he needs to be in the pen. I argued for him as a starter, because he would be more valuable as a starter if he was able to perform the same he was as a starter. However, he puts so much behind his pitches, and he still doesn’t mix up his pitches all that often. The second or third time through a lineup guys start hitting that shit.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:36 am
So Reddick is too much? Unless they take back Wells they will need to offer more than Buchholz, and they should.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Buchholz + Reddick? Yeah that would probably work.
The thing is because of Halladay’s salary and the fact he only has one year left, his trade value isn’t very high. But the normal rules don’t apply to the Red Sox so who knows what they’d do. All I know is that they’re A. Super rich and B. the smartest organization in baseball. If I was a new GM like Toronto’s guy is Id be terrified of them.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:41 am
maybe the mets will get halladay
/hahahahahahahahaha
November 25th, 2009 at 10:43 am
A couple of people here are reporting that the Jays are interested in Casey Kelly instead of Reddick.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:46 am
maybe if his name was Roberto Halliquez
November 25th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Please elaborate. For there revenues I think they should be spending more money to win more. By smart to you mean that they stick to some artificial budget better than anyone else?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:52 am
What have they proven themselves to be exactly? Wasn’t Chad Gaudin ahead of them on the starting pitcher depth chart at the end of the season?
I am not really sold on Joba ever being more than a third or fourth starter either. But just for arguments sakes, the very same Roy Halladay had a career ERA near 6 in about the same number of innings at the same age as both Joba and Hughes. Even with their struggles, they have pitched far better than that.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Guarantee you Halladay goes somewhere this offseason. Who knows where to.
@Fetch: you don’t think his value goes up as the trading deadline nears next season?
November 25th, 2009 at 10:55 am
ms: maybe his perceived trade value, but not his actual trade value.
SM: I mean cause they spend all of their profits in scouting and development, rather than overpaying for free agents, which is a smarter idea for long term success.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I never get this argument. All budgets are somewhat artificial based on multiple factors and interests. The fact that Boston a)spends a lot of money but b)doesn’t spend so much that they can’t also make a profit, seems to be a smart strategy as a long term interest. Some of this, I believe comes from a Yankee guilt about their spending habits. The fact that Boston isn’t just throwing cash at every AJ Burnett isn’t a bad thing as far as I’m concerned.
November 25th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Halladay was a different pitcher before 2000 when he was sent back to A ball, totally rebuilt his delivery and worked his way back up. However, that kind of turnaround is more the exception than the rule. You can’t really suggest that Joba or Hughes is likely to make the same kind of turnaround.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Red Sox spend their money wisely, but Cashman does also.
Fuck the Tampa regime that hijacked the Yanks for a few years.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Hughes is only 23, and Joba is 24. They still have some more time to improve. A lot can happen in a few years
November 25th, 2009 at 11:07 am
ms: maybe his perceived trade value, but not his actual trade value.
Barring an injury though it would seem that the perceived trade value and what teams are willing to part with in June or July based on it would seem to be worth the risk. The Phillies were ready to give up the farm at one point last year, which is an object lesson in why J.P. Ricchiardi had no business running a baseball team as long as he did.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Angels apparently have the inside track right now with a Weaver/Bourjos offer on the table according to FAN 590 here in Toronto.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Halladay was a different pitcher before 2000 when he was sent back to A ball, totally rebuilt his delivery and worked his way back up. However, that kind of turnaround is more the exception than the rule. You can’t really suggest that Joba or Hughes is likely to make the same kind of turnaround.
Wow, the Jays must have had either a really good or really bad pitching development system. Didn’t something similar happen with Carpenter?
I believe a lot more in Hughes than Joba, but my point is simply that these guys are still very young and we forget that lots of guys struggle that young. Johan had his first good year at 23 after two (albeit partial) subpar ones. Wainwright only pitched in two games before he was 24. Greinke was pretty horrid until his age 23 season.
I am simply saying that their performance so far does not exclude them from being extremely good pitchers.
November 25th, 2009 at 11:27 am
This is an interesting take but I wonder if it is really true. The idea for most long term success would be to have the most expected win value in the future and there are multiple ways to achieve that. If the goal is wins, does making a better risk/reward decision (say spending on scouting development) better than a fair value decision (paying a free agent what they are worth) if they later gets you more Wins?
November 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
i thought Carpenter had an injury issue and the Jays released him, no?
November 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
i thought Carpenter had an injury issue and the Jays released him, no?
Yes, but he pitched nearly 6 full years for the Jays with average at best results. Just pointing out that two of the top pitchers in the league needed more than one trip through the Jays system to find success.