The Mitchell Investigation: Is There a Name That Would Totally Shock You?
Uncategorized November 9th. 2007, 12:39pm
Sufficiently teased yet? The pas de deux between the Mitchell Investigation and MLB is getting ridiculous. Hints and allegations are circling like buzzards, but the names supposedly won’t drop until December (watch it be the 21st at 4:58 pm).
[Quick aside - massive screw-up by the Boston Globe yesterday. They got us - and everyone, really - worked into a lather with a blog post stating that 11 free agents would be named in the George Mitchell investigation. Everybody screws up, nobody is perfect ... but they were way off - up to 11 players talked to the Mitchell Investigation. Enormous difference. Here's their apology.]
Our question today, which we posed to two of our baseball friends Thursday: is there a name that, if included in the report, would actually shake you up enough to perhaps lose interest in the sport? Can you think of a player that could rattle the foundation of baseball if George Mitchell names them as a PED user? Hardly anyone flinched when Matt Lawton, Ryan Franklin, Neifi Perez, etc were suspended, and while more high-profile names have been linked to steroid/HGH use - Sheffield, Wally Joyner, Miguel Tejada, Rocket Clemens, etc - the national reaction was surprise, followed by collective shoulder shrug because some of these folks had already been speculated about.
Both friends offered the same name: Derek Jeter.
Granted, both of these guys are die-hard Yankees fans, but they both made a good point - Jeter’s been around long enough and won enough titles that he could be considered the face of baseball. He’s plays a highly visible, marquee position, always is an MVP candidate, he’s American, and he’s a ladies man, meaning casual fans - like women in Des Moines; teenagers in Albuquerque - know him well.
Who are the other national guys? Bonds? A-Rod? Both have put up video game-like numbers (as opposed to Jeter, who is just a .300 hitter with little power), and that’s been enough to red flag just about anyone in the last decade. Is David Ortiz even in this class? Is Vlad? Johan’s the best pitcher in baseball but if he delivered a pizza to your house in Orlando, Joe Sixpack might not recognize him. David Wright probably isn’t on this level yet, nor are guys like Ryan Howard or Grady Sizemore. Our baseball friends didn’t offer a second name, but we’ll toss one out there that would completely shock us - Ichiro. If Ichiro or Jeter are named in the Mitchell Investigation (and there’s zero indication they will be), then baseball’s in trouble.
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November 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Nick Punto.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
oh dont even bring Jeter name into this bullshit
Arod maybe, but Jeter hell no
November 9th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Mark McGwire
November 9th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Pujols?
November 9th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Buddy Biancalana.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Dammit CRM and Mozatta were both ahead of me. I was going to go with Jason Tyner or Sosa but you guys beat me.
I was still reading that last post.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Actually, Ken Griffey Jr would be a bit of an earth shattering name …
November 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Fred “Chicken” Stanley
November 9th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
ECKSTEIN!
ECKSTEIN!
ECKSTEIN!
November 9th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Junior is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too lazy to do the working out necessary to make the drugs worthwhile. Unless fixing a broken fireplace makes PED effective, Junior doesn’t want any part of it.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I agree with G, Griffey Jr. would be a huge name.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Come on, Maggs, it would be shocking if Pujol’s weren’t on steroids.
How about Cal Ripken? Something like that would change the way everyone looks at roids use.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
True about Griffey.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Miguel Cabrera ate everyone who ever took steriods. No report neccessary.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Good call on Ripken.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Griffy Jr would be the most surprising name, especially since in “Game of Shadows” it was documented that he basically said he wasn’t going to do them.. (paraphrasing for certain)
Jeter for sure, but even more shocking (and causing the biggest blow to baseball) would be Greg Maddux. Even though he’s retired.. Cal Ripkin Jr would be a pretty shocking one too.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Look at the guys who’ve had issues with plantar fasciitis:
McGwire
Giambi
Glaus
Pujols
Piedra (Rockies scrub who tested positive)
It’s a dead giveaway.
November 9th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
In the event that Griffey ever passes Aaron (or Ruth), it will be treated as a big deal by the baseball world since he’s viewed as the one “legitimate” home run hitter of this generation.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
“Look at the guys who’ve had issues with plantar fasciitis:”
Interesting. That’s what Michael Strahan has last year.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
always is an MVP candidate? can you “always” be one and never ever win it? is this like the yankees dynasty that is still going on?
i know you’re just trying to hurt me.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Ozzie Canseco
November 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
I am a huge Mike Piazza (and Met) fan that would kill me but for baseball…Pedro Martinez would big, Mariano Rivera would be big too. Derek Jeter and Griffey are the 2 best answers I heard. I have a gut feeling you are going to see a lot more big name pitchers (relievers mostly) on this list than Big Time hitters. To me that is going to be the shock of this whole thing…
November 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
David Justice
November 9th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
I have little doubt that Ortiz, at one point or another, used something. He went from a .270, 20hr’s and 70rbi’s player to a everything he swung at was crushed player and even when it looked like he missed it the ball left the park. So I won’t be shocked by his name when it appears. But I’d say Jeter is the name that would floor people. It seem’s like this guy hasn’t made one mistake since being called up and I’m not talking about his play, but his public persona. He might be the most squeeky clean image and undamaged image of any athlete who has ever been in the spotlight for as long as he has.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Dennis Eckersley
November 9th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
I just think that baseball fans are too team-oriented for one player to come out and rock the foundation…it would have to be a singular player that has always stood out as an elite individual and player (like Ripkin). I also think that intelligent MLB fans would probably not be too shocked if a slugger or power pitcher tested positive. The past 12 years are so have led to so much speculation that if someone like Jeter did test positive the reaction would be more like “He had it all…what the hell was he thinking?” instead of condeming him as a “Cheater!!” That said, the big media outlets would be falling all over themselves to crucify whatever big name did eventually turn up.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
In terms of actually being shocked? Tony Gwynn. If that guy somehow found his way to steroids, I’d never watch baseball again.
Realistically though, Griffey, as stated earlier, would be a pretty big deal. Ripken as well (conspiracy theorists are probably saying that’s how he broke Lou’s streak).
November 9th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
no question: Schilling would be a shock given his finger pointing, and maybe Randy Johnson, considering the age at which these guys were dominate
November 9th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Come on, ROGER CLEMENS. That is the most obvious. But he is so constantly slurped by the media and bloggers, that his name in the Mitchell Report will probably have an asterisk.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Babe Ruth.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
As a White Sox fan the name I’m always nervous about is Paul Konerko who is right up there with the most beloved players in team history…that would be crushing
November 9th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
I guess you’re right, jeter isn’t ‘always’ in the mix … but in the last 10 years, he’s finished 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 10th three times.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
David Wells took steriods when someone slipped it in his Budweiser.
Seriously tho, if Jeter ended up on the list I’d be speechless for about a week.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Don Zimmer
November 9th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I would say that Jeter would be big, but Junior Griffey would be the biggest on a national scene. I almost hope Pujols is indicted, as I live in St. Louis, and it would be comical to hear the sports radio callers try to defend the Golden Boy after they have summarily trashed Bonds for so long.
As a Royals fan, I am very interested to see if Mike Sweeney’s name pops up. He fits the profile of a guy who used: He had a few big years during the supposed heyday of illegal activity (best stats were by far 99-02) and then fell into a continous cycle of injury and mediocrity. Although this wouldn’t be big news to many, it would be big for Royals fans who expected him to be our springboard to prominence in the early 00’s.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Todd Jones’ mustache.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Manute Bol.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Jeter would be my big name. I would be crushed for days.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Jim Thome
November 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Derek Jeter’s MVP voting finishes…
1997- 24th
1998-3rd
1999- 6th
2000- 10th
2001- 10th
2002- not ranked
2003- 21st
2004-13th
2005- 10th
2006- 2nd
2007-? Not high
By my count he was close exactly twice in 11 years. Sixth and tenth aren’t close. But I will give you that he should have won it in 2006.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
How far back will they uncover who was and wasn’t on steroids? I hadn’t seen this and was curious if they would go as far back as possible, or just guys still playing today?
November 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Derek Jeter is always in the mix because he’s Derek Jeter and plays in NY. Not because of his play.
Take 2005 when he finished 10th. Three Yankees teammates finished ahead of him. Five of the top 14 were Yankees. The World Champion White Sox, who had the best record in baseball, had 1 player in the top 10.
Non first place votes add up fast in MVP voting, that doesn’t mean that player was in the mix. Scott Podsednik finished 2 places and only 8 votes behind Jeter. Could anyone, on any planet, in any dimension have considered Pods in the mix for the MVP?
November 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
I’d say John Smoltz, considering he’s a card-carrying member of the god squad, and he has a lot of Curt Schilling in him (i.e. finger-pointing/judgmental) and is outspoken about everything, including his opposition to steroids.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Sydd Finch.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Roger Clemens
Eric Gagne
Randy Johnson
November 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Crash Davis
Nook LaLoosh
Willie Mays Hayes
November 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Frank Stallone
November 9th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
“Sydd Finch” [sic]
He’s a pitcher, part yogi and part recluse. Impressively liberated from our opulent life-style, Sidd’s deciding about yoga —and his future in baseball.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
A Major League reference? Wow. Nicely done.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
@289
The 2005 Yankees were a pretty damn good baseball team in their own right with 5 (FIVE!!!) players that finished with OPS+ of at least 125, which is stellar. A-Rod was the MVP and deserved it, Giambi hit 32 bombs and went .271 / .440 / .535, and Sheffeld and Matsui dominated the corner OF spots. All of those guys deserved top 15 and 20 MVP votes. I couldn’t find the breakdown of the White Sox season but I am willing to guess the didn’t have hitters with those kinds of numbers….their team was primarily a dominant pitching squad with some excellent hitters, but few equally that Yankees group, of which Jeter was 5th best or so.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Anyone watching this OJ shit? Makes me wanna be a real attorney.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
We won’t see any huge names come out of this thing; Selig would never allow it.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Yeah, found that 2005 White Sox team, and only Konerko was good enough to crack that group that I mentioned previously.
Their pitching, however, was just sick.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Ozzie ran all those pitchers into the ground and that is why none of them are any good now except for the soft pitching Buerhle
November 9th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Benny “The Jet” Rodriguez
November 9th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Dan Gladden
November 9th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
I will be shocked if Clemens is not on the list and it will be proof that the whole things is a sham. I think Manny Ramirez would be shocking because he has probably had the most consistent career of any slugger in the last 10-15 years. Johhny Damon will probably shock some people but I believe he has been linked in the past. A-Rod for sure because although people hate him for his greed they generally seem to want him to break Bond’s records to legitimize the HR record.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
But on to the question, I think David Ortiz would be bad for the game. He was a clutch performer for two WS teams, including one of destiny. His clutch performances are legendary and his is almost a god in Boston. Steroids would kinda screw that up.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
- von hayes
- that kid from “rookie of the year” with the elastic sounding elbow
- sid bream
- craig counsell
- definitely pedro serrano
- dale from “new york” in baseball simulator 1.000 for nintendo
- otis nixon
November 9th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Pedro Cerrano
November 9th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Cant talk right now, got a guy on the other line about some white-walls.
what is Corbin Bernson (sic) name in Major League.
Enough of that Ole’ Bullshit
November 9th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Manute Bol is the steroid infused identical twin of Muggsy Bogues.
I can’t really be shocked by any baseball name on there. At this point, I’m numb to the whole thing and don’t really care one bit anymore.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
cool rick - that would be roger dorn
November 9th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Forget about the curveball, RIcky, givem da heater.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Sid Finch
November 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Eh. Who cares? I’m not here to talk about the past. If they can prove that some of these guys used steroids, then prosecute them under federal law. Other than that, the games can’t be replayed, and asterisks are meaningless. Going forward, they’re testing for the stuff. The whole steroid controversy is a creation of a self-righteous media that didn’t ask tough questions or investigate this when it was happening. We should all move on.
Consider: sportswriters get apoplectic about “unnatural” steroid use. But isn’t it equally unnatural to radically improve your vision through laser eye surgery? You don’t even have to work out; you just sit in a chair for ten minutes. What about Tommy John surgery? A lot of guys come back from TJ surgery throwing harder than they did before. Why are these things within the acceptable realm while performance-enhancing drugs are not?
November 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Air Bud
November 9th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Fuck you Dorn
November 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Cool Papa Bell
November 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
I agree with the Lasik comparison. What could possibly be more performance enhancing for a baseball player or a golfer than to be able to have 20/10 or 20/5 (just throwing the number out there) when they were born with 20/25 or 20/30 vision? If a regular person can go to their doctor and be prescribed HGH because it has legitmate health value than why can’t an athlete? The whole thing is ridiculous. In 20 years all athletes (and average joes that can afford it)will be on doctor supervised PED regimens, and maybe Bonds and Canseco will be viewed then as revolutionaries not villains.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
@Mister
I have been trying to think of that. Everybody has a “Dorn” in their life. For years I have been searching for a name for such a person, and then I find that I have to look no further than Cleveland Municipal Stadium (or is that Seatle?) Good look for sure. GO BUTLER.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
The Big Hurt:
The biggest shock to me, of the players I have not seen above, but be if Frank Thomas was on the list. He has always been legitimately big, and never seem to find the fountain of youth late in his carreer. And the final kicker was the indirect snub to Bonds et al after he got his 500th.
“It means a lot to me because I did it the right way. I could care less what others have done,” he said.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Jeter and Gwynn are the two best answers because they are the working class guys that “play the game right” no one would really suspect them. Griffey is suspected because of the early power numbers and the injuries. Ripken is suspected because of the streak. Similarly to Palmero, and middle relievers like Mota, no one thinks those guys did it, and it causes a bigger splash.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Fulton Reed and Dean Portman
November 9th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Jenna Jameson
November 9th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
If Gwynn was on steroids, he apparently didn’t get the memo that you have to work out to actually see benefits. Gwynn would truly be a shock because he had a gut almost as big as Mark Mangino’s. Ah, who am I kidding? No one’s anywhere near as big as Mark Mangino.
Ripken’s streak doesn’t seem like evidence of steroid use. Steroids tend to ultimately lead to injuries because the body is not designed to carry so much muscle mass.
November 9th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
sundevil, is that a mighty ducks 2 reference?
November 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
@ Spencer: Yes, it is.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
None would bother me more then Griffey being named.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
Screamin’ Willie Beamen - Inflate your chest, use Met-Rx.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Mozatta had the right idea. Clearly, the answer is Nick Punto.
November 9th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
i dont know what’s more sad…the fact that i could pick that out or that i watched the last hour and fifteen minutes when it was on disney family a few weeks ago at 3 am.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
jason varitek is on juice
Mike lowell is on juice
DAVID ORTIZ is on juice
Shilling is on juice
you see where im going with this
THEY should get an asterix by this years world series win
the irish in beantown will be pissed
November 9th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Names I would be shocked to see-
Peter Gammons, Cal Ripken, my mom
Names I would not be surprised to see-
David Ortiz, your mom, Clue Hayward
November 9th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Every damn goal with that knucklepuck kid should be cleared from the records, esp that last one where he took off his helment, and changed sticks. Do they test at the Junior Goodwill Games?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Floyd “Sugar Bear” Rayford.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Jason Whitlock
November 9th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
“Look at the guys who’ve had issues with plantar fasciitis:â€
Isn’t that also what Tim Duncan had for like 2 years?
November 9th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
bud selig
November 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Kenan Thompson was definitley not on steroids when he made those Knucklepucks at the Goodwill Games. Adam Banks on the other hand….
Also why havent Brent Abernathy, John Jaha, Joey Cora, Tim Salmon, Charlie O’Brien, Kevin Ritz, Dante Bichette (obvious), or 1993 AL ROY Bob Hamelin been mentioned yet?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
George Mitchell’s nephew Scott.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
how does Luis Sojo get a free pass on this thing?!
November 9th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Did you see how slim Russ Tyler (Keenan Thompson) was in that movie. Take a look at him now, or in Good Burger. That is what happens when you get off the sauce, and I don’t mean the secret sauce.
The Giles brothers?
November 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Everyone knew Banksy was on the juice in D3. How do you think he made the Varsity team at the Perp. Academy? Not only was he juicing, but Banksy was totally involved in a Patriots style spy scandal. It was obvious he gave the Varsity the heads up on how to defeat the “Flying V†when the Varsity destroyed the JV in an ad hoc game.
November 9th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
If Jeter gets busted with The Clear can he say he was only using it on the herpes?
November 9th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
will this post reach 100 comments. that is the question.
whoever posted Dan Gladden, nice work.
Gary Gaetti
November 9th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
1.Griffey would be probably the #1 surprise.
Being a Reds fan, one of the things we always here is that Griffey was just a natural. He didn’t need the steroids because he had that sweet swing. It’s taken as truth in Cincinnati and everywhere. I don’t think Griffey took steroids, but it’s weird how everyone just believes without much reason that he is the one superstar 600 HR guy who would have never thought about taking them.
Plus with all the injuries, people assume he wouldn’t have gotten injured as much had he been on the roids.
2. Greg Maddux-Right there with Randy Johnson and Clemens as best of the era, I’d be surprised if Maddux was found guilty.
3. Manny Ramirez-He’s such a good hitter and so crazy. But he’s also really confident and seems like he plays the game for fun and doesn’t base his life on just baseball…I think he would be the guy that spurns steroids and says, man I am just better then everyone else. I don’t need those!
November 9th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Brien Taylor
November 9th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Tom Glavine
November 9th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
I will not let this post go quietly into that good night. How about Monty Brewster…if Paul Byrd was on something you know that guy was!
November 9th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
How about AJ Pierzynski? Just because he is such a stand-up guy otherwise.
November 9th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
If we can discover that Babe Ruth was ‘roiding does that end all asterisk discussions?
November 9th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Fine…I quit.
November 9th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Carl Pavano.
November 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Brady Anderson. I’m sure Jeter would disappoint alot of people if he’s named, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all. Anyone so clearly impressed with his fabulous self would seem likely to try to get that little edge to gain even more fabulosity.
November 10th, 2007 at 1:17 am
Fred O’Bannion
November 10th, 2007 at 5:24 am
Joe Buck
November 10th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Paste
November 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Bill Brasky.
November 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Ripken would pretty much be the biggest story EVER. But the one thing a lot of people seem to overlook is, one of the major reasons to take the stuff is for recupritive abilities, not just bulking up.
November 10th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Don’t forget that Mitchell is on the board of directors for the Sox. You’ll never see Big Papi or Manny on the list. Wouldn’t be surprised to see quite a few Yankees on it, though.
Ripken, Griff, and Ichiro. Any of those would surprise me. Not shock me.