Week 12 NFL Musings
Uncategorized November 26th. 2007, 11:13am
* While watching – with an ecstatic gaze, actually – the Eagles and their backup QB hang with the mighty Patriots, we wondered A) why New England never runs the football, and B) If Tom Brady tries to throw 45+ times a January game, the Patriots will eventually lose. Inclement weather happens in the playoffs. Maroney really needs more carries. Also, we wonder if Brady’s post-game attire of the black ski hat and black shirt and black jacket is something Wilbon will try and pull off today.
* Just a note to announcers: you are not obligated to actually name all the teams in playoff contention. For instance … the 5-6 Houston Texans kept getting mentioned Sunday. There is no need for that. Please allow common sense to seep into your reporting on this. The Texans have absolutely no shot at the playoffs. Nor do the Chiefs (looking your way, Tiki Barber), so let’s not make too big of a deal about Herm Edwards eschewing the game-tying field goal attempt with four minutes left to go for it on fourth down. Feel free to lump Buffalo in this group as well.
* Since Mike Shanahan has perfected an efficient running game where you can plug in a 5-foot-10 ish, 215-pound ish running back, and watch him go for 1,000 yards, why hasn’t anyone studied the tape and copied it? Doesn’t it seem like a logical move for, say, Detroit, which hasn’t had a semblance of a running game since Barry Sanders abruptly retired?
* Boomer Esiason is becoming one of our favorite NFL studio peoples. On Chad Johnson: “… I just scored my first touchdown since week two, let me go make an idiot of myself. It’s all about me, guys!” We enjoyed Ocho’s work last year, but when you can’t back up the smack talk and buffoonery …
* Since Cedric Benson got hurt (eight rushes, 47 yards), we’ll take a day off reminding you of his inexorable quest for 1,000 yards (which now looks like a longshot). Before injuring his ankle, he passed the baton to Rex Grossman: 17-for-33, 193 yards, one interception, two fumbles. Dan Dierdorf called his performance “tremendously disappointing” and we’ll go a step further – it was an abortion, and Cade McNown would have performed better. Still, the Bears won!
* By far, the funniest line of the day came on Sirius radio from a hardcore 49ers homer. We’re listening to the scintillating Cards-49ers overtime call, and dying just a little bit with every dumb penality by this wretched team. Arizona’s punter shanks one – something like a Joe Theismann playoff job – and later Neil Rackers botches a 32-yard chip shot that would have won the game (which came seconds after he made a 27-yarder, which was nullified due to penalty). Then came this gem from the ‘analyst’ – “The punter, the kicker … you can’t count on those guys.” Naturally, a penalty pins the Cards deep, Cement Shoes Warner is hit in the end zone, fumbles, and the Niners recover for the win and season sweep. That is pain, friends.
* Speaking of an end-game gaffe by a plodding, past-their-prime backup QB, which was worse, Cement Shoes Warner or Headbutt Frerotte?
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November 26th, 2007 at 11:18 am
Cade McNown could not have thrown that pass to Berrian on 4th down.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:19 am
So who thinks that the Giants draft a qb next year?
November 26th, 2007 at 11:21 am
Giants need a secondary, bad.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:24 am
I mentioned this in the Hester post, but because I’m still pissed, I’ll do it again. I am a Broncos fan and was at the game last night and cursed violently every time they kicked to Hester. He’s a fucking magician, BUT ONLY IF HE HAS THE GODDAMN BALL. One man beat 22 yesterday and it pisses me off.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:24 am
FYI, the Pats DO run the football, just not in this game for some reason. (something like 7th in rushing before this game). I thought Maroney was in timeout or something.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:24 am
I’m going with Cement Shoes Warner.
Warner barely even moved out of the pocket. I believe he thinks the more times you get sacked, the more comfortable it becomes. Must have been all those concussions.
Headbutt Frerotte actually took the blame, while his back-up center blamed it on Frerotte. “I thought he had the ball. I was blocking my guy.” Stay classy Andy McCollum.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Eli Manning single-handedly sank my fantasy game yesterday and my season.
If Joey Harrington can continue to have a NFL career Eli Manning is far from done.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Jim, Rex Grossman couldn’t really throw that pass to Bernard Berrian on fourth down either. Only through sheer force of will, and excellent positioning, did Berrian catch that horribly thrown ball.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:30 am
” Boomer Esiason is becoming one of our favorite NFL studio peoples.” TBL
One Norman Chad will not be happy with you when he reads that.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:31 am
I was asleep for the after game interview but did ol’doe eyes swoon over Brady again last night?
November 26th, 2007 at 11:34 am
I agree that things may not be as easy for the Patriots as it looks. Having a team completely dependent on the pass in January can be a recipe for disaster. I’d still take them to win the Super Bowl due to the rest of the league not being very good.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:34 am
Is Norman chad an NFL studio guy? What channel? This must be what I’m missing with no NFL Network. Blast!
November 26th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Frerotte screwed his team over. The Cardinals loss is just as much Rackers’ fault as it is Warner’s. Anyway, everyone knows if you breathe near Warner he’ll fumble the ball. I’m sure he cried himself to sleep in his butch wife’s arms. The Rams had 1st and goal from the 5 and couldn’t get it in the end zone- much worse and more demoralizing.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:38 am
TBL – Norman Chad absolutely hates Norman Esiason. It’s been a running theme in his articles over the past couple of years. I am not sure of the cause as I don’t mind Boomer. Boomer may have stolen one of Chad’s wives.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:40 am
Gus Frerotte owes me $50 for not covering that spread…
November 26th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Pay the man, TBL.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Hmmm, tough one … how about Brady (best QB in the game), Moss (best WR), Welker (best possession WR) and Stallworth (arguably best 3WR).
Actually that was pretty easy to figure out.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:45 am
The Pats won their 3 super bowls using a pass first offense (although having Dillon for the 3rd certainly altered their play calling a bit). They have always used short passes and screens b/c in most cases it is just as effective as the run. I can see how people say they need to be able to run the ball better (b/c they do), but they have won in the past w/o a dominate running game. Either way, I was impressed that the Eagles were able to essentially keep Moss out of the game (though the offensive pass interference was questionable)but I was more impressed that the Pats won the game w/o their best offensive weapon.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:47 am
The Pats defense definitely dissapointed, blitzing like crazy, missing by a half step, then going too deep on cover 1, 2, or 3 schemes. Just seemed mildly stupid to play that way. then again, they normally have at least one game per season like that (See Colts during the regular season in 2006 and 2005, and Steelers 2004)
It’s no wonder the Bengals are a mess, they let Ocho Cinco get away with that kind of crap. I hope he sees how rediculous that is, and maybe, just once, the analysts who used to love it, see it’s just lame.
November 26th, 2007 at 11:53 am
Yes the Pats pass first, but that is because of the weapons they have passing. I would rather rely on Tom Brady and Randy Moss to win me games v. Maroney. Also, is there any chance the Pats get McFadden with the 49ers draft pick?
November 26th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Was that a condom on Brady’s head in the post game interview?
November 26th, 2007 at 11:59 am
Last night the blueprint for how to beat the Patriots.
As you noted, TBL, they’ve largely become a finesse, pass-oriented team. To beat them, you pressure with a 3-man front and a variety of exotic LB blitzes, leaving an MLB to spy the screen or occasional run. Man up Moss/Stallworth/Welker, with permanent safety help over the top for whoever’s guarding Moss. It obviously required a lot of talent and, especially, speed (particularly at DB), but it can be done.
The way I see it, the Tampa-2 is taylor-made to beat the Pats this year. The Indy-NE matchup in the playoffs is going to be very interesting.
Oh, and as people saw last night, the Pats are doing the reverse of the Super Bowl years: winning because of a great offense, not a dominating defense. They have the best defensive line in the league, but behind them, everyone other than Thomas and Samuel is old or slow or just plain unathletic.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Yes, the Patriots have won with a pass-first offense but this year it is off the charts.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5228/career;_ylt=AqcEfbKBWwlYElB_iLAtQav.uLYF
He will set career marks in every category. Perhaps somebody can pull the figures on pass vs. run this season for them. Ideally, through the third quarter, since most 4th quarters have been blowouts.
I don’t think they need a dominant running game, but the reliance on the pass will definitely come back to haunt them should rain or snow become a factor in January.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Blueprint my dick. This team can’t be beaten as is.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Isnt Shannahan chastized for having his O-line chop Block ? if every other team matched that formula, there would be no lineman left in the league.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
CoRM: The blueprint (as every pundit kept saying) basically is: pressure the QB and play good pass defense.
I know, shocking huh? That’s what everyone will be saying.
Too bad none of the “experts” will try to explain just HOW a team can go about doing such a thing.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Robut…What do you do against a TE? Rushing 3 will most likely give Brady all day to throw, and I don’t know too many DBs can hang with the trio of wideouts for that long. You pretty much need to double Randy all day from the start, unless you have a shutdown DB, and even then he might beat you, and that leaves Stallworth as a legit deep threat.
The Pats are doing like they did in the first super bowl. They use the short pass as a run, but now they have the deep threat too, and who says they can’t run? They just choose not to.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
All you people who said the Vikings shouldn’t bring back Peterson because they were out of the playoff race are looking pretty foolish right now.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
If only the Niners could play the Cardinals for 16 games, beat them twice this year and I remember a few years ago when the Niners went 2-14, both of their wins were against the Cardinals.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
CRM, I will need measurements before undertaking that blueprinting task. Also, the Pats need no running. Even with bad weather in January, they can pass at will because Brady has 10 seconds every down.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Patriots stats
Pass Plays (pass attempts plus sacks) 413
Rushes (includes QB rushes) 332
Total 745
Percentages
Pass 56%
Rush 46%
November 26th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
Some other random thoughts:
- if it’s the last week of November, it’s time for the annual “Philly QB Controversy.” Playing the role of Jeff Garcia this year will be AJ Feeley. Playing the role of Donovan McNabb will be…Donovan McNabb!
- Was Eli Manning trying to outdo big brother Peyton in at least one category? And who lusts more after Big Ben Roethlisberger now: the Giants or the Chargers?
- Could half the league finish 8-8?
- Dumber move: Mike Shanahan kicking to Devin Hester? Or Herm Edwards foregoing the tying FG in the 4th quarter?
- And honestly does ANYONE want the AFC West? Or the NFC West? Or Mae West? Adam West?
Thoughts and prayers with Sean Taylor.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
How can you possibly stop a team that runs plays 102% of the time?
November 26th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
HAHA thanks Ron Mexico.
Pass 56%
Run 44%
Ron, it’s after Noon, better pop your valtrex.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Gonzo – I merely represent his kin – we bake that shit in cakes instead of a file to make sure Ookie gets his medicine.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Also, i wonder how many of those rushers are in the fourth quarter when the Pats are up 30 during the early-season blowouts. Feel free to disagree, but I think the Patriots will need a running game in January to reach the Super Bowl.
Maybe the Patriots have one, but just didn’t feel like using it last night. I just found it out that Brady threw 50 times … and i wonder if he’ll be able to do that in a January game
November 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
A January game…you mean like in Foxborough? Is your question, “Can Brady play pitch and catch with Moss, Welker, Stallworth and Watson…in the snow?” Then I think the answer might be yes. The big thing here is this is the best Pats team they’ve assembled around Brady and he’s done it before.
Also, Marooney is a pretty decent running back who is coming back from injury.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
@die_eagles_die: sorry, should have made it clearer. I meant bring pressure with a 3-man front AND LB blitzes–simultaneously, like the Eagles did last night. They pressured Brady constantly and were able to stuff the run with some success too (NOT the Eagles’ strong point). As for TEs, the Eagles had Gaither running way out into coverage last night, which seemed to work.
The scheme isn’t perfect, and hell, maybe no one can beat them. But with the Eagles bringing pressure from all sorts of weird areas and playing tight man coverage on the WRs (with Dawkins helping out on Moss), the Pats looked completely out of rhythm. The only team I could see doing that reliably is the Colts, both because of the speed and athleticism of their linebackers and because of the scheme they play.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
TBL, did you actually watch the Bears game? Grossman’s stats may not look good, but he didn’t play a bad game. There were about a 1/2 dozen or so passes that hit his receivers right in the hands and were promptly dropped. He made a really nice TD pass to Olsen that got called back because his awful RT Fred Miller was holding for about the 12th time. His pass protection was generally lousy all day. Yeah, he needs to hold on to the ball better when he’s getting hit, but other then that Grossman actually played a pretty decent game.
lohur, where exactly do you think Grossman should have thrown that ball? Watch the play again. He threw it in pretty much the only place that gave Berrian a shot at it. Anywhere else and Bailey would have easily broken it up. That was both a great throw and a great catch.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
brh – Being a Rex Grossman apologist is no way to go through life son.
November 26th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Cousins of Ron Mexico – Being someone who goes through life mindlessly jumping on the media bandwagon is no way to go through life son.
November 26th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
The media bandwagon? I’ve watched Rex Grossman play. I’ve seen the results. If you call calling out a bad quarterback jumping on a media bandwagon, then I guess I’m guilty of jumping.
November 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Robut…Although the Eagles are a joke, they are known for excellent blitzing schemes, and two pretty good CBs with decent safety help. Not too many other teams can do that, I don’t think the Colts can, and I know the Eagles won’t be seeing them again, so it looks like smooth sailing for the Pats. I wouldn’t call 380 yards and 31 points shutting down.
November 26th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
We enjoyed Ocho’s work last year, but when you can’t back up the smack talk and buffoonery …
So being in the top 5 in receiving yards for the whole league is not backing up his smack talk?
If theres 2 guys NOT to blame for Cincy being terrible this year, its Ocho Cinco and Houzh. If there’s 11 guys TO blame, its the defense. Let Chad have his fun, he plays well enough to do whatever the hell he wants after a TD.
November 26th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
brh,
Sorry, I can’t share in the Bears love. Grossman got lucky that his receiver was in the vicinity of that pass (remember, Berrian barely caught that ball, and in fact almost dropped it). That pass was too low and too wide. Berrian gets all the credit in my book for that catch — not Grossman.
November 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Here’s the video of the Berrian TD catch. I have to disagree with Greg Gumbel that Grossman’s throw was good. When your receiver has to catch a ball that low and that far out in front of him (so wide he almost caught it out of bounds), you know the receiver deserves the credit, not the quaterback.
November 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Let me just say, that after seeing that video again, that Berrian was expecting the ball to be thrown in the back corner of the endzone. Berrian then had to turn his body all the way around and slide just so he could catch that ball. Again, bad pass by Grossman, excellent catch by Berrian.
November 26th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
As a Broncos fan who was about 50 feet from the Berrian catch last night, let me tell you that Mr. Berrian should spend more of his free time fornicating with livestock.
November 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
The Cards color man is even more fun. I heard him on Sirius last night on the Cards broadcast. What a lunatic. Wolf??
November 26th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
lohur, If Grossman throws that ball to the back corner, he would have needed to throw it right over Bailey’s head. No way it would have been completed. 9 times out of 10, Bernard Berrian isn’t going to win a jump ball situation against Champ Bailey. You are 1/2 right though. The play was designed for the ball to be more inside then it was. Berrian faked a quick slant and then cut outside. Bailey didn’t bite on the fake enough to make the inside throw, so Grossman’s only choices were to find another target or throw it outside where Bailey couldn’t get to it and hope Berrian could make the adjustment. Luckily for the Bears, Berrian did make the adjustment. I know it’s fashionable to rip Grossman apart for everything he does, but in this case he did exactly the right thing. If he throws that ball anywhere else, Bailey breaks up the pass with ease.
November 26th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
@die_eagles_die: I do think the Colts can do it, although you’re right–given their DC and the strength of their secondary, they’re uniquely well-suited for this kind of system. I hope you’re wrong about smooth sailing; you better believe every HC in the league will be studying the tape of last night’s game.
And “shutting down” was strong–maybe “containing” would be a better term. Put it this way: the Eagles are clearly inferior to the Pats, and their defense STILL had them one boneheaded throw away from winning that game.
November 26th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
“…given their DC and the strength of their secondary, they’re uniquely well-suited for this kind of system.”
“They” being the Eagles, not the Colts. Although to a lesser extent it’s true of the Colts too.
Apropos of this: TBL, is there any way to get a “Preview Comment” feature around here?
November 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Ben – Fornicating with livestock? I don’t get it…
How did you end up being a Broncos fan and a White Sox fan?
November 26th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Basically, Berrian should go fuck a goat for helping beat my Broncos. I grew up in the west and my whole family grew up Broncos fans but they were never much into baseball so I did not develop a familial allegiance. I became a White Sox fan in the early ’90s when I could get WGN on the old-school giagntic satellite dish in the back yard and saw Big Hurt, One Dog, Alvarez, Black Jack, etc., in their heyday and it was the only team I could watch with regularity from Montana.
November 26th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
A couple things…
A major reason the niners were able to pull that out yesterday was TWO blocking in the back calls on punts in overtime ON THE SAME PLAYER! The second one pushed AZ back to the 2 yard line that led to the winning touchdown.
Herm Edwards is an idiot. Not only did he blow it by not kicking that FG, he wasted two time-outs in the process. First he called a TO, then challenged the spot of the ball on the previous play. A challenge he really had no shot at winning. And they had extra time to review it, and still decided to challenge. There goes 2 TO’s and when they didnt convert the 4th down play, that was the ball game.
November 26th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
Robut, the Bills were able to hang with the Cowboys, but the Cowboys are a much better team. Sometimes inferior teams play good games, but it took the Eagles best effort, and it still wasn’t enough. When the Pats needed it, they were able to drive, and able to stop them. I don’t think there are any teams that can stop the Pats.
November 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
I’ll backup brh on this one- Grossman wasn’t terrible yesterday. Olson dropped at least 3 passes that hit him on the numbers, and Berrian dropped at least 2 that I saw. That said, when “wasn’t terrible” is a gargantuan improvement for your quarterback, that means you need a new quarterback.