The Mike Wilbon Blogs/Sean Taylor Debate
Uncategorized November 27th. 2007, 10:37am
It seems as if everyone is reading the weekly Mike Wilbon chat house Q&A, and some folks took umbrage with two of his comments Monday – one was in reference to bloggers, the other was in regards to Sean Taylor’s (RIP) checkered history. This is what ticked off at least one blogger: “There’s a ton of speculation about the details of his condition and the details of the incident, but this isn’t a blog and we’re not going to get into wild guessing and speculating here, though we will try and responsibly discuss other points of interest surrounding the latest strange episode relating to Taylor.” And then he followed it up with … speculation. “Whether this incident is or isn’t random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain’t the first and won’t be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It’s sad, yes, but hardly surprising.” UPDATE: A reader points out that the Baltimore Sun took a shot at Colin Cowherd for some comments he made about Sean Taylor in the wake of the tragedy.
That last comment is also what has angered Redskins fans, who cite Mike Wise’s Oct. 27 column as evidence that Taylor (engaged and with a newborn baby) had turned the proverbial corner and was cleaning up his act. In light of this morning’s events, that point is sad and debatable – there’s no tangible proof Taylor was exiting the road previously taken by Pacman, but on a day when Taylor has passed away, we’re not here to cast aspersions. Our memories of Taylor will be of the menacing hitter flying through the air to pulverize opponents. We enjoyed watching him at the U and with the Skins. TBL2 (aka THE BIG DEAL) is a Redskins season ticket holder and understandably shaken by the news. He may or may not chime in later.
Wilbon cold as ice on Sean Taylor (Sports Note)
Chat House (Washington Post)
An Enigma Cloaked in a Veil of Silence (Washington Post)
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November 27th, 2007 at 10:44 am
I thought that only Whitlock could comment on african-americans and violence? Or maybe that link to the islamofacist website you had up earlier? Draft whitey.
November 27th, 2007 at 10:46 am
i have enjoyed Taylor since his U days, honest to god he is one of my favorite hurricanes, besides machine gun jim kelly
but can we please let this guy rest in peace
November 27th, 2007 at 10:47 am
Living in Northern VA, this whole area is numb. RUP Sean from a Giants fan
November 27th, 2007 at 10:47 am
in all honesty…and its a shame that the next statement needs to be disclaimed…his prior life and run-ins with the law are part of who he was. a clean year does not immediately erase at least 3 years of immaturity.
that said, wilbon missed the mark completely, saying that it was somewhat expected. a clean year erases that sentiment, most definately. if this were pacman it wouldnt be surprising, but a guy who by all accounts was cleaning up his lifestyle, and making a genuine effort, it is a shock. taylor was trying to “divorce” himself from that lifestyle.
saying that in the twilight of the incident where there were encouraging signs was insensitive and callous, and irresponsible journalism. to dismiss taylor as a thug and that he in some way had it coming to him is about as dickish as it gets. the details arent the issue here, those will come to light further down the road. if circumstances materialize that paint the scene in a “thuggish” light, then yes, this would be an appropriate response, but was out of place at the time.
wilbon should have thought before he spoke.
November 27th, 2007 at 10:49 am
If there was ever going to be a black week on Page 2, this will be it. I can’t wait to read the issue as discussed by Jemele Hill, Scoop Jackson, Bomani Jones, Michael Wilbon (more), and anyone else I’m missing.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:01 am
How was Wilbon “speculating” again?
November 27th, 2007 at 11:07 am
My greatest memory of Sean was him spitting in Michael Pittman’s face.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:07 am
I’ve never understood the admiration for Wilbon.
He comes off as any butt-kissing corporate worker in America.
I’ll do as am told as long as I’m getting a paycheck.
This is the guy who sat with a roundtable of “celebrities” and discussed the merits of “Whos Now”
“Speculating” is all these guys do, no need to gather facts and report them, just spew whatever comes to mind with no fear of repercussion if the “speculating” is wrong.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:11 am
I’ve read what Wilbon wrote about four times now. What is the issue? He was spot on about bloggers and the only thing I take away from his Taylor comments is that it probably was a bit harsh that soon after, but it was true. He may have been cleaning up his act over the past year, but that doesn’t mean his act was totally clean.
Wilbon probably would have wrote something a bit more softer had it been his column, but it is a chat where he doesn’t have all day to ponder the most PC way to put out the truth.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:17 am
This is the guy who sat with a roundtable of “celebrities†and discussed the merits of “Whos Nowâ€
not only discussed the merits, but vigorously defended the stunt.
i like wilbon, but that doesn’t mean he is always correct. and in the case of the aforementioned bspn tripe, he took a credibility hit.
at times, wilbon’s cozy relationship with players makes me cringe. but at least he isn’t a complete player apologist like lebatard who is a disgrace. he will call people out when they need to be called out and i respect wilbon for that, despite his buddy-buddy relationship with players.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:17 am
“He may have been cleaning up his act over the past year, but that doesn’t mean his act was totally clean.”
And this has what to do with him getting shot in his home? Do we know that this incident stems from some other incident in his past? Is there any evidence confirming this? Do we know that his “act wasn’t totally clean?” Do we know anything about him on a personal level? If the answer to these questions is no, than how is it that Wilbon is telling the truth?
November 27th, 2007 at 11:18 am
I have no problem with Wilbon bringing up Taylor’s history. His death is indeed a tragedy but that doesn’t excuse any of his previous actions. I’m not surprised in the least that this happened, just surprised that someone died this time and surprised that someone had the balls to write what Wilbon write.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:18 am
but at least he isn’t a complete player apologist like lebatard who is a disgrace.
Could not agree more.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:21 am
As a DS commenter said, it’s not like Sean was hanging out in Liberty City on watchout as a crack deal went down when he got shot. The dude was in his bed at his nice home with his girlfriend and daughter. Wilbon says that there is somehow a link between a break-in/burglary at his $700,000 house and a violent past. Maybe it’ll come to light that there IS a link. But for now, it’s all…oh, what’s the word? Oh yeah: “Speculation.” How exactly is a guy who is asleep in his bed embracing thug culture or inviting a violence into his world? At this point, the only thing that Sean Taylor is guilty of is not having a better security system in place.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Wilbon is on the local radio now.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:52 am
what did wilbon say that was incorrect? i feel horribly for taylor’s family, but what wilbon said was not wrong. i think you are trying to make something out of nothing, don’t get all espn on us TBL.
November 27th, 2007 at 11:55 am
What local show, JVelez?
November 27th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Who is trying to make nothing of something? I’m just pointing out that Skins fans are pissed at the guy (5 page thread on that fan site) and a blogger (Sports Note) was upset that Wilbon took a shot at blogs.
Personally, i think Wilbon’s on point with all of his comments.
November 27th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
TBL, sorry for not being specific. Sportstalk 980 Washington DC with Doc Walker and Andy Polin. There is a link to hear
November 27th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
A few notes from the Wilbon interview:
He said for all the people who are upset at what he said, imagine that you heard that a unnamed redskin player was shot, who would be your first guess? He said it is naive to just discuss Shaun as the player and not discuss the issues that he has had. Media Assasin’s comment was also responded to by Wilbon. He stated that there is a problem when a. He is in a place (miami) where he has had issues. b. He had his house broken into with a knife in his bed and a faulty alarm system is trouble. c. the fact that he slept with a machete. Wilbon was stating that still shows that he had some sort of issue.
November 27th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Taylor always set Doak Campbell Stadium on fire when he played there. That’s the only way I’ll remember him.
November 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Thanks for that post JVelez. That clarifies his stance, and he’s right. If my house was broken into, I’d have a home security company at my house the next day to install the best alarm system. If I had an 18 month old daughter no expense would be spared and if I had the money an NFL player has, I’d go the extra distance on whatever I buy.
It’s tragic and Wilbon is right. After Pac Man’s entourage paralyzed a man with a gunshot and Tank Johnson was arrested on weapons charges anyone who thought this type of thing wouldn’t happen is just ignorant.
November 27th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
wilhelmreems,
screw the home security, get out of Miami! He had a beautiful townhouse in Ashburn, VA near redskins park. If you want to stay in FL, go to Tampa or the keys. You have to remove yourself in those situations, especially when trying to change your life around.
November 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
“It’s tragic and Wilbon is right. After Pac Man’s entourage paralyzed a man with a gunshot and Tank Johnson was arrested on weapons charges anyone who thought this type of thing wouldn’t happen is just ignorant.”
With this logic, you could say that more than 1/2 of pro athletes in this country are in danger of being shot in their bed every night.
And to say this is “hardly surprising” is pure crap. “Hardly surprising” is Kurt Cobain offing himself after penning a song called “I Hate Myself And I Want To Die.” Or Lane Stayley dying of a heroin overdose. Or Greg Norman choking in a major. To say that we all could have EXPECTED Sean Taylor to get shot in his own home in a far-from-violent neighborhood is, I’m sorry to say, VERY surprising.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
I love Wilbon for his candor and professionalism, and although he does play favorites with certain athletes(what journalist doesn’t) he never comes across as pandering. I made it a point to get home after work in time enought to see PTI because I knew they would comment on it, and I must admit that I was surprised by the harshness of their comments as they were almost telling us “see, I told you so.” I understand as journalists these guys sometimes have to say unpopular things and at times be very blunt when we would rather they not be, but I just felt like with a man fighting for his life, he could have been a little more sensitive towards the issue.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
I understand what you’re saying J. Velez, but how does sleeping in the comfort of your own home put you in a vulnerable position, much less in a position to get shot? I agree and disagree with Wilbon, unfortunately, you have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Sean Taylor, but as I stated previously my only point of contention was the timing, with his life hanging in the balance those comments could have been reserved for another time and they also give enable the ones out there who are just speculating to be speculating.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
One thing that has not been mentioned enough is that the man was only 24 years old. He was still growing up. I’m sure all of us have had some error in judgment in our late teens/early 20’s. While Taylor’s incident had a higher profile and involved firearms, characterizing him as a thug or criminal is a stretch. And to assume that prior actions were responsible for his death before we have all the facts is irresponsible as people AND as bloggers/journalists.
Regardless of your interpretation of Taylor’s life, it is an unfortunate matter. Personally I don’t understand why the death of a public figure turns into a public debate about their character.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Media Assassin: OUT-FUCKING-STANDING point you make.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I have to say that’s right, that it’s still a huge shock. Truthfully, can anyone say, even after his house had been broken into, even after his ATVs were stolen, that someday Sean Taylor would be gunned down in his own home? Of course not.
The truth is, after his child was born, he experienced an awakening of sorts. That doesn’t mean that he was able to turn on the “straight-arrow” faucet the next day, it just means he was able to begin making better decisions about himself, his family, and his future. He was doing the right things, that is, but he his transformation into all-around good guy was not yet complete – he was still making some questionable decisions, such as having a machete for home defense in lieu of a security system or, god forbid, a firearm. (Seriously, what was he thinking? The fact that he had a machete under the bed indicates he expected he might need to use it, but did he think only unarmed men would come into his home?)
November 27th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
JP: It’s a public debate because he’s a public figure. More coverage is put on it because he’s a public figure. His death is no more tragic than Bryan Pata’s or any other person who’s house is broken into. So why do we shine a spotlight on Taylor’s death more than another 24-year-old gunshot break-in victim? Simply because Taylor is a public figure, not because he’s a better or worse person.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
I sleep with a police baton next to my bed. I’ve never had any run-ins with the law, a break-in, or problems with anyone. But if anyone wants to fuck with me or my apartment, then I’m prepared to fuck with them. Just because Sean Taylor had a machete next to his bed, doesn’t mean he was expecting a break-in.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
NDub,
My emphasis was more “why should we debate someone’s character when they die” than “why is this so public”. I understand that a celebrity’s death will make headlines, because their life did. I just don’t get why judging someone’s character (privately or publicly) is many people’s reaction to a death.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
ChrisP,
I think that for someone to change their lives around (which I do believe Taylor was trying to do) you have to disassociate yourself from whatever previous lifestyle that you had. To better yourself and your new family, you have to cut off all trouble. Maybe he was trying to do that. But if have such ominous signs–a knife on top of a pillow left by someone who broke into a house the week before, no signs of security for the home, an area which he has been into trouble before and to add the fact that he had to have some fear to carry a machete near him. Altough he was in his home, due to todays society he was still in a vulnerable situation. Like I said, I do believe that he was trying to better himself, however he either A) Made a huge error in being in that atmosphere or B) Believed that he was untouchable. That is why I think that his history has to be documented in the press. Because it puts a face on violence that happends everyday in america and hopefully youth today can take this and learn from it.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
“A) Made a huge error in being in that atmosphere or B) Believed that he was untouchable. ”
What am I missing here? His house is not in Liberty City. His house was broken into a little over a week ago. He’s supposed to move everything out of that house and into a new one in SEVEN DAYS? Seriously? The fact that he had a machete meant that he was in fear of his life? So the millions of legal gun owners in this country fear their life as well? Or if he had a gun instead of a machete, it would’ve been all good? I just don’t get it how this tragedy has turned into a cautionary tale. Don’t stay in a house that was previously broken into, or keep a machete under your bed, and maybe just maybe an intruder won’t break into your house and shoot you.
November 27th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
No, his house was in Vice City
November 27th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Gangsta,
If this was a case of a house that was broken into, it would be one thing. sure get ADT and call it a day. Keep in mind that a knife was placed in the bedroom. I take that as an ominous warning for his life and the life of his family. And given the fact that he had a bad history in that area has to be considered as well. Also remember that he had a house in Ashburn and that as a NFL player, he does have the resources to promptly go somewhere else. Was Shaun asking for trouble? No. But like I said, you do what it takes to protect yourself and your fam, including rolling out of your old spots. So either he didnt realize that or he felt that nothing would happen to him. It ended tragically either way.
November 27th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Media Assassin:
You’re right. But I think you take the term hardly surprising too literally. it was hardly surprising that an athlete was killed in a terrible act of seemingly random violence when there are those who associate themselves with it. You don’t expect someone like Taylor who was trying to turn his personal life around to be the victim, but to say you’re surprised this happened at all is a little naive.
November 27th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
“So either he didnt realize that or he felt that nothing would happen to him.”
But here is the thing, we don’t know anything. We don’t know what he was in the process of doing. Maybe he was in the process of selling the house. Maybe there were circumstances that prevented his girlfriend and child from leaving the area immediately. There are so many unknowns, that it’s comical how one can presume to psychoanalyze him in this situation. Here’s a thought. Maybe we should wait a week or so, until more information is released before we start passing judgement.
November 27th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
To anyone who thinks that this was “hardly surprising”, I’d simply ask you this: Were you surprised to hear that Cory Lidle died in a plane crash? I know I was. But by your logic, you shouldn’t have been. I mean, you’d have to be “naive” to think that a guy who immersed himself in a dangerous culture (flying planes) wouldn’t die at a young age.
November 27th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
how many people knew lidle was a pilot, and flying still is the safest way to travel. so yes, hearing about a person you didn’t know was a pilot, died when his plane, that he was piloting, crashed into a high rise in Manhattan is a bit surprising.
We’re looking at this with two different POV, but we can all agree this is a tragedy.
November 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Wilbon is on the 6 p.m. SportsCenter trying to justify his comments. This is moronic. Still says he’s not stunned, or not surprised. He’s definitely trying to cover his tracks.
November 27th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
I just saw Wilbon on ESPN giving some perspective on Sean Taylor’s death and clarifying on some of the comments that he made yesterday that upset some people , and I think he made a good point which was that even when you are trying to turn your life around, sometimes the people around you may not necessarily want to see you turn your life around. I know I’m speculating, but I think when this is all said and done, the person who did this is going to be somebody that Taylor knew and knew well, which will make this story that much more tragic.
November 28th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Wilbon did a decent job of clarifying his point today, but there’s still been a lot of unfair speculation in this case that would be considered out of bounds if Taylor had a different ethnic background. At least so soon after the tragedy, anyway…
I also had to laugh at Wilbon’s indignant response to a questioner in yesterday’s chat, noting that they were simply trying to pull off a public relations ploy. Really, Mike? And how exactly does that differ from you leaping to peddle every b.s. line that John Thompson and David Falk sold you about Ronny Thompson’s firing, smearing an entire university and city of 70,000 people as racist, without even picking up the phone ONCE to check out any of the allegations’ credibility? (If you had, you might have wisely reached the same conclusion that every other major sports columnist in the country who was pitched the story did and passed…)
Don’t whine about someone else’s “agenda” when you’ve ceded your journalistic responsibilities and recently allowed your column space to be used for one…