Without Jon Scheyer, Duke May Have Beaten Pitt
College Basketball December 21st. 2007, 12:03pm
Hi. So Duke’s Jon Scheyer, a wiry shooting guard who was a really, really nice high school basketball player, is, unquestionably, an awful college basketball player. Defensively, he has somewhat quick hands, but he does not move his feet fast enough to prevent his opponent from getting to the basket. Offensively, after last night’s dreadful 1-for-10 shooting performance in a 65-64 overtime loss to Pittsburgh at Madison Square Garden, one cannot begin to imagine the thought process that Scheyer uses when he is in possession of the basketball. (For instance, when Duke had the ball down one with four seconds left, Scheyer was unaware of the clock situation, and dribbled the ball up court with his head down before jacking up an ill-advised 28-foot brick. Ballgame.) He has no handle, and thus everytime he attacks the basket, the result is either a turnover or a forced, errant, shot. For a guy who is the fourth leading scorer in Illinois high school basketball history, one would think, ‘hey, this guy can probably shoot the lights out!’ That person would be wrong. Please do not ever mention Scheyer’s name in the same sentence as JJ Redick. They are nothing alike. Redick could catch and shoot. Scheyer cannot. Redick could create his own shot - though he did not excel at this, and this is precisely why he is struggling in the NBA - and Scheyer is positively terrible at this.
Although we have zero basketball coaching experience (at any level), we do have two eyes, and it is clear to us that Coach K’s best lineup is: unsure freshman point guard Nolan Smith, shooting guard DeMarcus Nelson, small forward Gerald Henderson, power forward Kyle Singler, and timid center Lance Thomas, who really is a power forward. Don’t expect us to write about these choking dogs for a very, very long time. At least two weeks.
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December 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Mike Dunleavy Jr, the Sequel. But worse. He’s the “Speed 2″ of Duke recruits.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Why do I have the feeling you’re a Duke fan?
I agree that Smith, at some time, needs to start at the point ahead of Paulus. As much as that guy is a fiery leader and the heart and soul of this team, he’s just not the best option they have at point guard.
Don’t be so rash on Scheyer just yet. He may lack all the abilities you speak of, but the kid can certainly shoot. There’s no doubt about that. One 1-10 night shouldn’t be an indicator of his entire college career.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:12 pm
TBL don’t you have to give the kid some time to develop before you call him “unquestionably, an awful college basketball player.” Now, I really don’t follow college hoops closely at all…but your criticism seems a bit biased to the fact, which I’m assuming from the post, that you hate Duke.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pm
MIKE DUNLEAVY? No way. Not even close. Scheyer isn’t even CHRIS COLLINS.
Mike Dunleavy is at least in the NBA with a big contract and the occasional big game. Scheyer is g-a-r-b-a-g-e.
(don’t hate Duke)
December 21st, 2007 at 12:14 pm
TBL accused of hating Duke and liking Duke all based on the same sentence, bhahahaha.
I checked the score and saw Duke was up 8 in the second half and was pissed, so it was glorious when I got home and saw they had lost, UNC is a beast!
December 21st, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Scheyer’s main problem is that he is 14 years old. Give him a little while to catch up to the other players in terms of age and muscle mass and he’ll be decent.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pm
The last time I checked Duke wasn’t in the market for unquestionably awful college basketball players
December 21st, 2007 at 12:18 pm
I was comparing them in terms of “obnoxious skinny overhyped pasty whiteness” than actual game, but I think you’re slamming Scheyer a bit too hard and thinking way too much of Dunleavy. Scheyer wasn’t THAT bad last year and hit some big shots down the stretch.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Also, I doubt TBL is a Duke fan. Sure, he called them “choking dogs” and seems angry with them. But haven’t you noticed that any highly ranked team that loses, no matter the margin, no matter the opponent, no matter the circumstances, is a “fraud”? This labeling happened constantly during the football season. If you’re ranked in the top 15 or so, you’d better win out or TBL is going to label you fraudulent.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:21 pm
My drunk dad has the same problem
December 21st, 2007 at 12:22 pm
I think in the brief bits I saw (still catching up on The Wire which is the greatest TV show ever made) I caught his one basket, sorry I missed out on the misfires (I’m an unapologetic Duke hater)
December 21st, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Delcostylee - How then to explain Greg Paulus? He was the second coming of Hurley, he was a high school legend, and Dick Vitale blew him six days a week. Now, he’s not playing down the stretch. By the second half of the season, he’ll be playing less relevant minutes.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Watch the Wire’s Oddessey piece On Demand…great summary of the show’s themes from season to season…
December 21st, 2007 at 12:25 pm
Touche TBL
December 21st, 2007 at 12:26 pm
If you were a Duke fan, and you were disgusted with how your team played, especially with one allegedly “highly talented” prospect wouldn’t you be rash with some of your thoughts the day after?
I know I am sometimes. But then I give it time, and realize that it wasn’t the player, it was that fucking ref who didn’t call that god damn foul! That mother f’er.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Scheyer is garbage? I hate Duke, but you’re talking about a sophomore that is 9 games into his sophomore year. My god, give the kid a break. Hey he had a bad game. I hate the term garbage.
Jonny Flynn sucked against OSU at MSG. Is he garbage?
Back off a little. These are kids, not pros. Cut the kid some slack. Sorry he didn’t go 7-10 from the floor last night. He’s 19.
I hope to see a post on how Paul Harris is garbage (sorry I’m an SU fan, first highly recruited soph I could think of) or any other college sophomore is garbage next week.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Not a Duke fan. Type in a few Duke players in the search tool and see what we’ve said. I enjoy quality basketball, whether it’s Duke, UNC, Florida or Gonzaga.
I also like Singler, Henderson, and Nelson. The rest of that Duke roster is very suspect.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pm
his scoring is down two points this year but his shooting percentages from two and three have increased drastically. he had an off night.
duke would have won if the last rebounder K recruited werent named sheldon williams.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pm
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December 21st, 2007 at 12:30 pm
damn slow computer, the above post (re: rs27)
December 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pm
shit, *shelden
i always get that wrong
December 21st, 2007 at 12:36 pm
also, duke doesn’t play again until january sixth, more than two weeks away. way to take a stand against the man and not talk about them over their holiday break!
December 21st, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Scheyer had 12 rebounds last night. The ball was in his hands at the end of the game because the refs had been calling fouls on every play and he is by far the best FT shooter. Also, Scheyer ranks 24 in Kenpom Offensive Rating. Yes he had a poor shooting night. Pitt played great D, especially in the second half. Scheyer also played excellent defese all night, a lot if it on Mike Cook. He is a much improved overall basketball player this year despite his lowering scoring avg.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Grant Hill is satisfied with the team’s progress.
December 21st, 2007 at 12:42 pm
no talk of dajuan blair from PITT and what kind of effect he had on the game last night
freshmen played great last night, double double and he was all over the court
this freshmen class this year in the NCAA is one of the best in a long time
December 21st, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Was Blair the guy that nearly kicked Pitt coach Jamie Dixon in the face? That aws pretty funny
December 21st, 2007 at 12:49 pm
The fuck is a kenpom?
December 21st, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Ken Pomeroy is an excellent place to go to get in-depth college stats/information. I use his stuff a great deal when putting together my bracket in March.
December 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Off topic but Willie Parker breaking his leg on the first play last night really fucked me in my FFL Championship
December 21st, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Come after me I’m a man, I’m 40!
December 21st, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Scheyer had an off night shooting the basketball, yes…but Pitt didn’t miss their tackles. Good form tackling will win you most football games.
December 21st, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Glad other people have noticed it, too. I’ve watched a few Duke games this year and I’ve had the exact same thought: Scheyer blows. So does Paulus. Unfortunately (from the view of this Terps fan) from what I’ve seen, Nelson and Singler do not. This is a pretty strong Duke team. Not sure who’ll get the ball in crunch time (see: “night vs. Pitt, last”), though, but I’m beting they’ll end up a 2 or 3 seed or so.
/jinx
December 21st, 2007 at 1:44 pm
As much as I hate Duke, Henderson was very impressive last night.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Scheyer unquestionably had a bad game last night, but if you think he’s an awful college player, then you really don’t know anything about basketball. Then again, you thought Eraser was one of Arnold’s best movies, so what the hell do you know anyway?
December 21st, 2007 at 2:29 pm
So tell me, Ving … what has Scheyer done against quality team this season? Why do you think he’s better than Chris Collins?
December 21st, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Duke as a top 2 seed? Hmmm. Lots of hoops left, but … not sure about Top 2 seed.
December 21st, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Scheyer was one of the best HS shooters I have ever seen in my life - nights like last night just happen. I would kill to have him on Illinois’ horrible-shooting team (where, by the way, he would be THE MAN instead of a role player at Duke /end hate).
I can’t access YouTube at work right now, but his performance as a senior in the championship of the biggest XMas tourney in Illinois was unreal. 21 pts in 75 seconds in the 4th quarter. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10895770/
I can’t view this but I hopefully this shows it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckF5M2HSA0o
December 21st, 2007 at 3:15 pm
For starters, he had been shooting 3’s at 45% — that dropped a bit last night of course. He has not played well against Duke’s two best opponents (Marquette and Pitt), but he plays better defense than you seem to think and is a decent ballhandler. If you consider Davidson a quality team (and whether you do probably says something about your basketball acumen), then Scheyer has played well against a quality team.
Chris Collins was terrible. I don’t know why you insist on comparing the two. Collins lacked any semblance of poise even at the end of four years and could not go to the basket. Scheyer has a much better handle early in his sophomore year. I don’t see Scheyer turning into a pro prospect, but I’ve probably watched more Duke games than most people on this thread, and Scheyer is a more complete player than Collins was and has plenty of time to improve as well.
Collins was my least favorite Duke player of all time — I would root for him to miss his first 3 each game so he wouldn’t get a false sense of security.
If he played like that as a senior, you’d have a better argument. I’ll be interested to see if you still feel this way at the end of the season, but I’ve watched Scheyer for over a year now and I quite like him. People who don’t like Duke may bust on him, but he’ll be around all four years, and I expect he’ll have a pretty good track record before he leaves.
December 21st, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Maryland fans have had some fun at Scheyer’s expense for some time now…
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=174#s=174&f=2580&t=23346
December 21st, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Collins was a tremendous shooter, which is what Scheyer should try to fashion himself as. Henderson and Nelson are better at attacking the glass, and they need someone to stretch the D. Can’t start King … too slow.
Scheyer needs to be that guy. Then, when they play him, he has to be able to dribble drive and make something happen. He can do neither. Two games against the Big East, and neither was a good one.
We’ll see what happens - maybe by his senior year he becomes a nice player, but I’m doubtful. Of course, nice is very subjective … if Duke goes to the Final Four and he’s a starter and a 8-6 role player … some people will talk him up. That’s fine. I just think he’s a mid-major player. He’d be a stud in the Mid-Major world.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Collins was a tremendous shooter? Compare the stats…
Career 3pt FG%
Collins — 39%
Scheyer — 38%
Career 2pt FG%
Collins — 41%
Scheyer — 41%
Career FT%
Collins — 71%
Scheyer — 85%
For his entire junior year, Collins shot 23% (not a typo) for 3pt FG%. Until Scheyer sinks to that level, I’d say that he shouldn’t bother trying to fashion himself after Collins.
One more thing — I agree that it’s wrong to compare Scheyer to Redick, but Scheyer already can get to the rim better than Redick could as a sophomore. Not saying a whole lot, and I agree Redick isn’t much of a pro, but it just goes to show that your judgment of a guy six weeks into his sophomore year is too harsh.
December 21st, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Perhaps in my assessment i leaned too heavily upon my memory of his senior year - when he shot 44% from the three.
1995 (his junior year) is the year Coach K missed the bulk of the season with the back injury. Did that tie in to Collins’ law % from three? Perhaps.
In 1994, as a sophomore, Collins shot 37% from three.
December 21st, 2007 at 5:52 pm
TBL just got served.
December 21st, 2007 at 7:18 pm
I don’t understand the hate of paulus…he’s not great, but he carried Duke last year and he hasn’t sucked so far this year. Basically, last night’s game was just a pisspoor showing by Duke in the second half. I was watching with my dad(UNC grad) and he was surprised by the way Duke lost. Missing wide open shots, playing lax defense, silly play calls…it’s like the entire team and coaching staff decided at half time that the game was over and they needn’t worry about the second half. Also didn’t help that the refs couldn’t make up their minds on what was and wasn’t a foul…this is not an excuse, because both teams were hurt equally by the refs, but that was the ugliest damn basketball game I’ve seen outside of the Big 10.
Also, Henderson was fucking awesome, but if I see him dribble for 20 seconds and shot another fadeaway long 2, I will personally reach through my team and strangle him. I mean…he was on fire, but if he does that on a normal night…I shudder to think about it.
December 21st, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Paulus ‘carried’ them to what? A first-round tourney loss? Think he’s in over his head, and I may be wrong, but it looked like he was benched down the stretch. I think Coach K missed on Paulus and Scheyer. Not saying he’s lost his touch (Singler is awesome, so is Henderson), but some of the guy’s he’s gotten haven’t panned out, or looks like they won’t.
December 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 am
It’s not his fault that McRoberts was the worst recruiting decision of K’s lifetime (ok, second worst, behind Greg Newton). Paulus was the only reason Duke was able to actually stay close in the last 10 games last year, and he’s not looking too bad this year. The Pitt game was a terrible game for everyone except Henderson, so to trash paulus for it when everyone was bricking everything is a bit ridiculous.
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 pm
i just want to chime in late on this and say that on no level could jj redick ever create his own shot. ever. not in college, not ever.