Lost Recap: Press Rewind if I Haven’t Blown Ya Mind
Television February 15th. 2008, 10:44am
Just wanted to give everyone ample time to sift through the ultimate Lost must-read – EW’s recap. Dude must spend hours each Thursday night writing this. CS Lewis references? Noticing the connection to On the Road? Impressive. But neither was as deep as this: “Did you see the numbers on Daniel’s clocks? One said 3:16, while the other said 2:45. As it happens, Daniel 2:45 is the culmination of the story in which exiled Daniel earned an exalted place in King Nebuchadnezzar’s court by interpreting a dream concerning the future of Babylon and how ”the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom.” Hey — that sounds like the fourth season of Lost! Meanwhile, Daniel 3:16 is part of the famous story of how Daniel’s friends Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the fiery furnace but were saved by God.”
Ruminations and spoilers (from last night) after the jump:
* So clearly, Ben was not in the coffin of last season’s finale. That leaves, most likely, Sawyer or Locke. Unless, of course, Ben has cloned himself, and don’t laugh – nothing is out of bounds on this show.
* Pure guess – when Sayid reaches the boat, he cozies up to a female … which happens to be Ben’s ’source.’ Then, Sayid goes Rambo on the boat.
* Could have sworn ’scenes from the next’ said the final member of the Oceanic 6 was revealed next week. We’ve counted Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley. So does that mean the person is the coffin is No. 5?
* It really stinks that this show doesn’t have many more seasons left. It is tremendous TV.
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February 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am
But it is good that there is an end in sight, and a conclusion to the story.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Wow. Great catch and info on the times on the clock. Didn’t catch that. I love all the easter egg stuff in lost and all the references. One of the most original aspects of the show.
I don’t know why Ben clearly wasn’t in the coffin? What leads you to believe that? Who’s to say the Flash forwards are all presented linearly?
I don’t know, but to me personally, the coffin is like way way way down the list of questions I want answered. Almost significantly so.
All in all I thought this episode was probably the weakest of the new season. Especially after last week’s massively earth shattering barrage. The ending was a pretty significant twist, but the rest? Ehhh.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am
@TBL – It’s possible that Ben could still be in that coffin. Based on the season premiere, we know that Jack’s flash-forward from last season takes place chronologically after Hurley’s flash-forward. Using this logic, it is possible that Sayid’s flash-forward takes place before Jack’s where Ben is still alive. Also Sayid = Badass.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Wait – how do we know which flash-forward happens when? What’s the chronology? And are we certain of this?
February 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am
I thought the preview said the 4th member was revealed next week (and it’s a Kate flash forward according to EOnline). Not like we hadn’t figured that out already anyway.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Pre speculation: If Claire is revealed as another member, that might make Aaron the sixth. They would naturally be introduced as survivors in the same episode.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:52 am
That should read “pure speculation.” I’m stoopid.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am
I couldn’t think of any of the characters whose initials match what was on the bracelet. Did anyone figure out any possible matches?
February 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
They talked to a Regina on the freighter, but no last name was given.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
The bracelet read: “N (Natalee) I will always be with you, RC (or RG)” Elsa was wearing a bracelet that bore a striking resemblance to Natalee’s. God, what a great episode.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
@TBL – In Hurley’s flash-forward, Jack mentions that he is thinking about growing a beard. In Jack’s flash-forward from last season, he has a pretty long beard. This leads me to believe that Hurley’s flash-forward precedes Jack’s.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:58 am
I would put this flash forward between Hurley’s and Jack’s. Next week’s episode is Kate-centric. Any idea how Juliet or Desmond get off the island? They can’t claim to be Oceanic 815 survivors and everyone is denying that anything unusual happened on the island, so I’m guessing they die before the end of the season.
February 15th, 2008 at 10:59 am
ok, i’ll buy that … but how do we know whether Sayid’s happens before or after Jack/Hurley’s?
Daniels from the Wire … do we know his initials yet on LOST?
What about Desmond’s girlfriend Penny … what is her last name?
too lazy to look up…
February 15th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Also, another time travel instance. Is the island in another plane of time and existence? Are they trapped in a snowglobe of some kind? Remember when Desmond said he kept sailing his boat and never got anywhere?
February 15th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Penelope Whitmore (sic)
February 15th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Penny’s last name is Whitford or something. Daniels from the Wire’s last name is Mikowski I think.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Hef – how do we know Juliet and Desmond even get off the island? I don’t recall them being mentioned in the flash forwards.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:01 am
They haven’t been mentioned. I’m just speculating that based on what we know, they seem to be pretty screwed.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:02 am
TBL – We don’t know whose came first. That’s the point. It could very well be Ben in the coffin.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am
There are going to be 6 seasons total, we are in the 4th now, so answers are still a long way off!
February 15th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Is it me or a lot of characters MIA this season? The Koreans haven’t been seen for weeks.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Ben wasn’t mentioned in the flash forwards until now as well, so it’s still quite possible they got off the island.
They are only touting the Oceanic Six as people from the crash that made it off, but it’s possible those who didn’t crash on the plane made it off too.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:06 am
From what I hear, Sun and Jin will be the focus of an episode in three weeks: episode 6 I believe. Next week is Kate, then Desmond.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:07 am
@wilhelmreems: it seems as if Hurley and Jack agreed to keep the island’s happenings a secret which leads me to believe that only OCeanic 815 survivors get off the island. Otherwise, more people would ask questions.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am
@Roethlishotdog – “Good”
-Some guy in the 60’s
February 15th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Regarding Ben not being the coffin guy-
Who says he isn’t in the coffin?
That makes PERFECT sense. Ben dies for the ’cause’ he is fighting for. Jack sees the err of his ways and breaks down at Ben’s funeral. Realizes he needs to take the torch that Ben has lead with (to Kate: WE HAVE TO GO BACK!).
It would ALSO makes sense on these three accounts:
1. The obit of the dead guy was a name we didn’t recognize. (Surely an alias).
2. No one was at the funeral.
3. Kate asked Jack incredulously ‘why would I go to his funeral? As in disgust.
This makes me think that its definitely Ben in the coffin.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Most overrated show in the history of television. More questions than answers and more holes than conclusions. Gilligan and the Skipper would have made it off this island a long time ago.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:13 am
@hef: I think that is the most plausible explanation. However, the Oceanic Six were the only group of people that the general public knew about. Technicallities would allow the “natives” to make it off as well.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Also- I dont think Aaron would be considered part of the Oceanic 6. he was born on the island, and would be 2 at most when rescued (acc. to the time-line of Jack’s flashback).
Additionally, Juliet, Desmond, Ben, all of these people wouldnt be Oceanic 6 survivors.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Didn’t Desmond have a premonition showing Claire getting in a helicopter and presumably making it off the island?
Also, how long did Jack say they’ve been on the island? How much time does that mean has passed in the real world?
I’m thinking the survivors will be younger than they should be when they return to reality, based on the differences in the clocks.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:16 am
@Danny Mac: Thanks for putting my thoughts into a coherant statement.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Ben = Jason Bourne.
So Sayid is working w/ Ben to wipe out certain people – Dharma people? – and he’s doing this b/c he’s “protecting” his own people: the O6 or the people still back on the island?
Also, is Widmore the “economist.”
Finally, Daniels is not Minkowski; Daniels is Abbaddon.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am
@mike: clever idea re: widmore and the economist.
Also, you’re right about daniels. Ideas about RC (or RG)?
February 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am
I’m actually glad there aren’t many seasons left. I love the show, but it is starting to veer into 5th seaoson and beyond X Files. Just making up convoluted storylines that probably won’t tie in to anything down the road.
I will definately be in the minority here, but I don’t think whoever is in the coffin matters. Besides, it’s Hurley. He spills the beans (pissing off Kate), but since he’s crazy no one believes him. He dies a mentally ill homeless dude.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:21 am
then again, it’s also possible “the economist” is Penny’s father. He seemed to be quite the powerful man and there has been speculation he was involved with Dharma/Island stuff since the time he was introduced.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Read an account this morning stating that according to the island time line, yesterday’s show took place on 12/25/04 … 1 day before the Tsunami.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:23 am
They didn’t even celebrate Christmas?
February 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
No idea about RG, but they went out of their way to show that (possibly) Naomi and Sayid’s off-island chick had similar bracelets.
They also made a deliberate point to show that the time from the boat and the time on the island was off; but that whole space/time things confuses me.
KC, I disagree about the coffin. I think whoever is revealed in there will be in the very last scene of the entire series.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am
@G Man: Thanks for the info. I wonder why none of the freighties mentioned christmas. Maybe it’s way past christmas and time is traveling at a different rate in the outside world.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:32 am
@Hef & CoRM … Maybe they didn’t wish to insult Sayid
February 15th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I don’t even celebrate Christmas.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Why did they have to bring up the whoe Red Sox winning the series thing again last night?
/ disgruntled Yankees fan
February 15th, 2008 at 11:37 am
There is obviously something going on with the whole space/time thing, remember Daniel told the pilot to be sure to maintain the exact course as he did coming in to the island, no matter what. It’s like that is the only way to get to the island, or even see it. Remember when Desmond blew the hatch, that was the only time they could pick up anything on the radar. It’s like Penny’s people know where it should be, but cannot see it.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am
If you’d like to see some more theories, visit Lostpedia’s theory site for this episode.
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Economist/Theories
February 15th, 2008 at 11:39 am
@Super Visor: Nice reference to the season 2 finale. Forgot about that point.
February 15th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Mike – Perhaps. I was just thinking that the episode last night was seemingly based on who the Economist was. It didn’t matter who he was. It mattered who Sayid was working for. A red herring plot line, that exposed something greater. Ben and at least Sayid, probably more, are exacting revenge on whoever had whatever control over the island.
I also read this and quite think it is plausbile… Kate isn’t one of the Oceanic 6. If she was, she’d be in jail. She is a wanted fugitive felon. Also, I don’t think Sayid is one of the six. Ben is smart and he knows all about Sayid’s past and how he knows how to kill. I find it odd that with all the apparent publicity about the Oceanic 6 and Sayid can travel around being a hired killer.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Kate has to be one of the Oceanic 6, as well as Sayid.
In the Season Finale last year.. Jack mentions to Kate the “golden ticket they gave US” which would lead me to conclude that she is one of the 6…
In this epidsode , on the golf course, the guy recognizes Sayid. presumably bc he was a quasi celeb from being a survivor ( sayid also entions somethign about getting a large settlement)
February 15th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Ever think that the economist is a code name for John Locke who was a 17th century economist?
February 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Miker -
The golden ticket angle could have been part of a larger deal that involved more than the six.
Good point on the Sayid angle.
And, that’s why we watch the show!
February 15th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
The guy recognized Sayid but couldn’t place it. Then after realizing who he was the look on his face indicated that he knew someone involved in the situation was looking for him and likely wanted him dead.
Then BAM! Sayid lays the smack down on his candy ass.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Hef: John Locke was a philosopher, not an economist, so no.
Also, I think at this point, all signs point to Abbadon (Lt. Daniels) being the Economist. Clearly his people (Naomi, etc.) have a rift or feud going on with Ben. And in Sayid’s flash forward he is being employed by Ben to hunt after the economist. Connecting the dots, that would make sense for it to be Abbadon.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
John Locke’s philosophy was based on ideas of the self, government, and economics. So, technically, without his having dealt with numbers, he is still considered an economist. So maybe.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
And abbadon looks more like a foot soldier than the big boss man. There’s no way they reveal Abbadon’s character this early if he’s that important. No way it’s him.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
No he wasn’t. I am an economist by trade in real life, and he was a famous philosopher. Not trying to be a dick. Also Locke’s character has been based around philosophy the entire series as well.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
How does Abbadon look like a foot soldier? He was instructing Naomi in last week’s episode on the mission at hand, and clearly was organizing it.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Would the economist make such a lowly errand run like going to the insane asylum to visit Hurley? That’s something I would delegate.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Who knows. A good point. At the very least perhaps Abbadon is tied to the Economist. That is what seems to be the case from my view.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I agree that he probably is tied to the economist in the same way that Elsa and Naomi and Daniel and Miles are. The Economist gives out nice little bracelets to mark his people. Wonder if Abbadon was wearing one when he went to the looney bin.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
“In Revelation 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, “Angel of the Abyss”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon
just an interesting thought
February 15th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I think the most obvious guess is that the Economist is Penny’s father.
February 15th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Yeah, Abbadon is the son of the devil; not the devil himself.
February 15th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
dude – everyone knows how lost is going to end. jack is going to wake up in bed, look directly at the camera and say “it was all a dream.” and then he’ll look away and say “or was it?”
the end.
February 15th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
And he’ll be visited by a weird naked indian and Jim Morrison.
February 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Lets not assume that Kate is part of the OCeanic 6.
I guess we’ll find out next week in her flash forward.
Whos in the coffin? Going to say Michael.
February 15th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
And just because people are off the island doesnt mean people didnt stay behind for other reasons. Its not like they are all dead except the Oceanic 6. Pretty big reveal in the last 2 ep’s that there are people still on the island (locke, sawyer). When Daniels from the Wire asks Hugo “Are they still alive?” and when Ben tells Sayid about protecting his friends.
February 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I wasn’t sure if he was referring to the 815 survivors, or his 4 people he sent on the mission.
February 15th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
There is an Oceanic 6, but that doesn’t mean the all the other passengers die, some could have chosen to stay on the island. Rose, Bernard, Locke, etc.
February 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
@SuperVisor- I’m a Cardinals fan; imagine how I felt.
February 15th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
We already have 4 of 6:
Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Kate unless someone can convince me otherwise
1. Jack kept referring to “we” as We have to go back, we made a mistake blah blah…
2. She was rockin a Lexus, and ooked real good… im sure that settlement $$ couldve hired a pretty sweet lawyer..
3. In the preview for next week, you see Kate gettin out of a car with a news voiceover “one of the most recognizable faces in the world”
sooo who are the other 2 ??
Can someone explain in detail how Kate is not one of them?
February 15th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Kate is one of them. Duh.
February 15th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Kate was driving a Volvo when she visited Jack at the airport in last seasons finale
February 15th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I bet either Kate had her charges dismissed for the “punishment” of being Lost on a desserted island, faked her identity to get off, or was the only one to not shy away from the spotlight. she is hot, afterall.