Sad Day in Hoops: C Webb Retires
College Basketball, NBA March 26th. 2008, 3:36pm
Anyone else a bit melancholy today about Chris Webber’s retirement? He was always one of our favorite athletes, from his days with the Fab 5 to his days of toking in DC to his duration in Sacramento when he berated the media for intruding on his relationship with Tyra Banks. (Aside: You must watch all of that clip - Charles Barkley is in rare form. And svelte, too!) Sure, Webber never won an NCAA or NBA title - some might even argue he is precisely the reason Michigan and Sacramento didn’t win it all - but this does not mean he’s one of the eight best power forwards in NBA history. We’ve got him ahead of guys like Dirk, Rasheed Wallace and Amare (if only because they’re young) and we actually think that C Webb is much closer to Kevin McHale than ESPN does (it should be noted that poll was from 2005). Before you vent: C Webb had six seasons of 20/10, and 11 seasons of scoring 20 or more ppg. McHale - playing roughly the same minutes - had zero and five, respectively. And if you want to mention McHale’s titles, then please do a comparison of Boston’s team to the Queens Kings.
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March 26th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
One of the 8 best PF of all time?
Timeout Timeout!
March 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Indulge me.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I’ll never understand how his decline was so steep and so fast. One year, he was the most coveted free agent in basketball (when he was with the Kings). The next year, he was getting garbage minutes on the Pistons. Too much weed, I guess.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Webber will no doubt get a lot of discussion when he becomes eligible for the Basketball Hall of Fame (incapsules college and pro). I know he has great numbers was on very good but not great teams I just don’t think he is a hall of famer. Then again I thought Cris Carter should have got in to Canton last year.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
He blew me off when I asked for an autograph, screw him!
Kidding aside, I was surprised to find out he only made 5 All Star teams, he can at least take solace in the fact that NBA Live 08 still thinks he is a beast, he get’s like a 89 rating in that game.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I forgot about his knee injury too…probably had a lot to do with it.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
People always forget that he could have teamed with Shaq in Orlando except for the draft day trade that swapped him and Penny. I always wondered what that would have been like. Just imagine that front court!
March 26th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
C-Webb was great, and I always felt bad for him cuz of the timeout thing. He’s not a hall-of-famer though.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
C-Webb is a sure shot hall of famer. Thanks to Gonzo for the timeout refrence, I just cried again.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
As a UNC fan, I thank C-Webb for that timeout. Anyone remember Jalen Rose’s reaction? He looked like he wanted to kill Webber.
An AP article made a goood point about Webber, teams did seem to improve when he got there, that has to count for something.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
He is definitely up there. People don’t realize that great Power Forwards are a rarity. I would argue that Stoudemire is already better then Cwebb though.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
God that picture screams for one of my favorite race-related jokes, but I won’t post it for fear of swift internet message board justice.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Just look at how effective Amare is with over the hill Shaq. If he had stayed in Orlando it would have been amazing to watch.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I (well, my parents) bought the first basketball huaraches because of him and the Fab Five.
Hard to believe Juwanna Howard is the last man standing out of all of them.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Get ready for spencer to get mad..the ESPN poll has Duncan as the greatest Power Forward…I always liked C-Webb but he was always one of those players you knew was good but never felt watching a game that he was the best player on the court.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
C Webb has been to the playoffs 10 times in 14 years.
He also spent a good portion of his career in the Western Conference, jockeying for an All-Star berth among stud PFs like KG and Tim Duncan. Also, the AS game is mostly for guards to excel at; not guys with bad knees.
1996 - 15 games
1999 - 42 games
2004 - 23 games
All of these seasons were in his prime. Guys in this era above him: KG, Duncan, Barkley, Malone. I barely give McHale the edge, but not by much. Then you figure 1-2 old-timers, and C Webb’s in the top 8.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Jalen Rose was the point guard - it was his job to get the ball from Webber in that situation. Rose doesn’t get any blame despite the fact that he let a power forward bring the ball up the floor on the final posession in a championship game.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
This makes me feel old. It doesn’t seem like that long ago when everyone made a huge deal about him leaving for the pros after his sophomore year. I remember freaking out when I got his “Skybox” rookie card in a pack, it was worth $4 or so. Man those cards were ugly.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Ray Jackson and Jimmy King never made it that sucks they should all hook up and go play pickup ball at C-WEbb’s crib. talk about college, Tyra and that ill fated time-out.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
He was out of shape and lazy when he was with the Sixers, so I say good riddance.
At least he got quality tail while in the Association. Didn’t he get Tyra Banks when she was at the top of her game and still modelling swimsuits?
March 26th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Webber had Micro-fracture surgery that put him down. Even though he posted good numbers his last years in Sacco, he was a shell of his former self. I despise Chris Webber. For benching himself his last season with the Sixers, forcing a buyout of his contract, then suddenly he was healthy to play for the Pistons 1 week later.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Rose didn’t have the ball because Webber was afraid to pass it to him after Webber grabbed the rebound.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
it is a sad day. But the time out incident still follows him but when you look back on it probably wouldnt have made that much of a difference in the long run. Would the Spurs be where they’re at if it wasnt for Webber revamping the team and their name when he was their? I dont think so.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Just as a Devil’s Advocate, it sounds like you are comparing Chris Webber to Warren Moon. And I don’t care if he’s in the Hall of Fame and I don’t care who the supporting cast is. I ain’t taking Warren Moon over Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Steve Young, and Brett Favre in their prime.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Peja Stojakovic cost him a chance at the finals by throwing up a brick in that western conference finals game. Standing outside a bar on Bourbon Street watching that play is one of the single vivid sporting moments of my life.
C-Webb named his foundation ‘Timeout.’ He’s cool in my book.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I always liked Cwebb and the Fab 5. I still have a pair of the michigan ( yellow) baggy shorts that i got after college and he was the main reason for the purchase. For a reference I purchased the shorts in the mid 90’s.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
As a college basketball fan, you have to respect what the Fab 5 did. However, I lost any respect I had for Webber when the Fab 5 beat MSU at the Breslin, and he went out to middle court and pretended to wipe his ass on the block ‘S’. He had crazy skills, but he always seemed like a player that wasn’t worth the hassle to have on the team. And he was never there in the clutch.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Jay…Jemele Hill called…She thinks you’re racist.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
id take sheed over C-Webb any day in a list of PF’s. tho C-Webb was a gifted passer and a great player until he started getting run down.
interesting question…who would i take over C-Webb?
1. Malone
2. Barkley
3. Rodman
4. KG
5. McHale
6. Sheed
7. hmm…this is probably where he falls. crazy to think about.
and yes, there is a cap on my memory.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Webber is one of only six players to have career averages of 20 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 assists (Four of which are Hall of Famers: Baylor, Bird, Chamberlain, Cunningham. Kevin Garnett is still active)
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March 26th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
spencer….you crack me up…and I would put C-Webb above Rodman…he was one dimensional
March 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Would the Spurs be where they’re at if it wasnt for Webber revamping the team and their name when he was their? I dont think so.
When did Webber play for the Spurs? Were you talking about the Kings?
March 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Well, for the sake of Roman and Jemele (LOL), compare him to Dan Fouts
March 26th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I would take Rodmans one dimension over Cwebbs multi dimensions. Rings don’t lie
March 26th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
That is a poor list with no one from the 60s or 70s. And I can only fairly assume that you have Duncan as a center - otherwise, you’re certifiable.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Jay…real thought on Warren…great passer who was in the run and shoot…I would have loved to see him in a pro style offense…or really have an Oiler team that could play a semblance of Defense when it counts…He was really good…top 25 QB but not top 10
March 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Shawn Kemp
March 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Roman, you could also argue that Chris Webber was also comparable to pre-injury Terry Cummings. And a lot of people probably just said “who?” when they read it.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Lets get real here, no has mentioned Shawn mutha fu**in Kemp in a list of the best power forwards of our era?
Kemp was better than Malone for about a 3 year period and although his career was shortened for…many reasons, he surely belongs in this discussion.
I will never believe for one second that Kevin McHale compares favorably to my man Kemp. Just look at his youtube clips, enough said.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I meant Kings!
March 26th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
SM: you totally beat me to it
March 26th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Dude..i know Terry Cummings…he was a beast too…like Kemp he only had a short period of Dominance
March 26th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
The sad thing is that both Webber and Sheed had the skills and talent to be the best ever.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Tim Duncan is the greatest PF of all time
March 26th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Sheed’s way overrated.
And you can’t say Webber was the reason the Fab 5 didn’t win a title without mentioning they never would have made it close to that far without him.
Look how they fared when it was the Fab 4 sans Webber their junior year.
Same with those Kings teams.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Duncan IS a center…right irish?
i dont have anyone from the 60’s and 70’s on that list because i was born in 1984 so my memory is based off of highlight reels and historical narratives…why include them if i have no tangible recollection of how good they were?
March 26th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I know cummings was good, but the word ‘dominated” is a bit strong.
He was very very good.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
People who argue that would be foolish. Those numbers pale in comparison to Webber.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Cummings had the kind of smooth J that you don’t really see anymore.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I emailed this article to my friends earlier today with a three word message attached: I feel old. Had I gone to Michigan - I chose a far less exciting Ivy over it - he would have been my year. I was so insanely jealous of my friends who went there getting to see them. The only time I saw them at Crisler was easily the most memorable display of hoops I’ve ever seen. If memory serves, they beat Iowa 912-6 that day. But - as my dad says - it wasn’t that close. And Fisher kept them in all game long. God bless that man.
By the way, as a DC native, kudos to the commenter who brought up C-Webb’s Crib. As the Bullets theme song says, “You tha man! You tha man!”
Long live #4
March 26th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
They’re not that different. I’m not doing the math, but Webber was about 23 and 10 at the peak of his career, and Cummings was about 21 and 9. I never said he was better.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I always though Webb was stoned when he called the non-existent time out. When Big Ed came to light, I realized Webb was settling a debt.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Webb was my fav player when i was a kid. that series they lost to the lakers was not his fault and he did play clutch, peja and the refs lost that series for them. i think he’s a 1st ballot HOFer.