Sour Start to Sweet 16
College Basketball March 28th. 2008, 9:03am
Let us begin with the depressing notes from last night (0-for-4! whoopee!), because negativity always plays well on the ‘net. Think we can all agree on something: Besides the end of regulation and overtime in the WVU/Xavier game, and that fleeting moment when Darren Collison fouled out and UCLA appeared to be in trouble, last night’s games were pretty horrid. And since a dozen of you inquired about it – yes, Bob Knight’s pink sweater was a strange sight, but we hear he has a matching jacket at home – you know, for hunting season, because bullies who carry weapons and piss off homeowners like to dress in pink.
* Bruce Pearl, way to run an offense. What a disgusting display from the Vols last night, and their beloved coach, who always gets a free pass from the media, should be hammered today. How many foolish shots can you possibly allow your team to hoist up? Estimated number of times the Vols actually ran a play in a halfcourt set: three.
* As brilliant as Joe Alexander has been this year, missing that free throw with the game tied near the end of regulation, and then fouling out in overtime is probably what we’ll remember most from his entire junior season at West Virginia. But this facial on Stanley Robinson is certainly up there.
* We missed the entire second half of the UNC bloodbath because we had to run an errand, but in the first half, Washington State sure picked a fine time to commit silly turnovers and miss open looks. And please don’t say UNC played stifling defense, because it didn’t. We’ve thought UNC was overrated all season, but we really hope it absolutely annihilates Louisville, which plays Pig Pen-sloppy basketball. UNC-Kansas should be fun, though.
* Ok, this one might be personal, but does anyone else think there should be an inquiry into the bank account of Western Kentucky’s Desire Gabou, his friends, family and associates? UCLA was favored by 12. They are up 12 after two free throws with seven seconds left. We can live with a push. And then, the Hilltoppers empty the bench. Usual protocol is that the benchwarmers either dribble out the clock and enjoy their moment on the hardwood, or jack up a deep three just for the F of it. But no. This Gabou kid, driving against a passive UCLA defense which was practically shaking hands with their defeated opponents, goes in for an uncontested layup. Un. F’ing. Real. What’s he going to do for an encore, break into my apartment, steal my cat and both boxes of fruit by the foot? (We don’t actually have a cat; but ‘wife’s secret orzo recipe’ just didn’t have the same ring.) The basket, we shit you not, was his only one of the season! That, friends, is a crushing way to lose. It was one of those nights where the “public” teams won out, kind of like Day One of the tourney.
Please leave all comments, thoughts, and laughter about last night’s underwhelming games on this thread; we are through talking about it. Also, many kudos to the throngs of readers who followed the games online with us. It was like we all were in a bar chatting, except in sweat pants! We’ll be around tonight, as well.
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March 28th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I checked again this morning and I had got in at 12.5 with UCLA so that last basket wasn’t as annoying as I first thought when it happened
The SEC was a really good conferences this season *Rolls eyes*
March 28th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I don’t think anyone (except an idiot) has said the SEC was a great conference this year. So, no news flash there. We stunk. I’ve been saying that all year.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:11 am
My brackets took a hit yesterday – was in first place in the office pool, but WVU and Tennessee hurt me. The guy behind me now (who had an awful first round), had all 4 winners yesterday and has 4 teams alive tonight. Come to think of it, if you get all 8 Elite teams, you deserve to win.
As for the W Ky. basket – I’d do the same thing. Who wouldn’t want to say you played/scored in a Sweet 16 NCAA tourney game?
March 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Snitching Bruce doesn’t deserve to get hammered by the press; Rick Pitino deserves to get praised by the press. He has never lost in the Sweet Sixteen and has done well with multiple teams at this point in the tourney.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
37 turnovers in that TEN/LV game, 20 by the Cards.
UNC must be licking their chops. Best match-up of the tourney so far.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
So that’s 3 teams in a row that just had off shooting nights against UNC? When does a trend become reality?
March 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
how much respect did the hilltoppers get last night. That was a solid performance and 78 points against ucla? Props to W. Kentucky.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I gotta agree with nwilson–UNC has looked like the most dominant team in the tourney so far.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I feel bad for your 0-4 night TBL. Do you have any sympathy for me? I am leading the ESPN brackets (534 entries) and for the first time in 20 years I am not participating in an office pool. I feel like some guy in 1998 who almost invested in yahoo.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
We missed the entire second half of the UNC bloodbath because today was arms day and we hadn’t lifted yet
/fixed
March 28th, 2008 at 9:18 am
I think KU might be right behind them if not just as good as bad as that hurts to admit. Hate KU, but if Rush continues to score, then that’s going to be trouble for everybody. He’s too big to guard as a 2/3 position.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:18 am
+1 mldatx
March 28th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Great summary on the games. Was at the Charlotte snooze-fest and left dissapointed… to make matters worse, i suffered through the games with a chick i was hoping to bed later, and came up short again. A night to forget. Bruce Pearl’s daughter does have some BIG A*S T*TTIES.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:27 am
But he hasn’t won a title in over 10 years!!!
And though the (un)organized chaos of the TEN/LV game may have been sloppy, I still prefer it any day to the Wisconsin bore-you-to-tears approach to playing offense.
/personal preference, Badger fans
March 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
The games were quite underwhelming.
Although, you play the game for a full 40 minutes. I find it hard to bag on a kid who made a basket just because UCLA wanted to stand around and do nothing.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
to make matters worse, i suffered through the games with a chick i was hoping to bed later, and came up short again.
That’s comment of the day material right there.
Ark shot 47% against UNC. Both Ark and the 16 seed scored 70+. UNC was winning with offense, and ran into a team that couldn’t generate any last night (well, in the first half; again, didnt see the 2nd half).
March 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Can someone help me find a pic of Pearl’s offspring? Would love to see.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I can’t defend that performance by the vols one iota. One of the most disappointing endings to any season I have ever watched. That wasn’t the same team I watched all year. I don’t know what happened to them, but that was pathetic.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Agree, the games were underwhelming at best (aside from WVU/Xavier). I really really really really need Michigan State to win tonight.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am
TBL–but shouldn’t UNC’s defense get at least some of the credit for that poor shooting and lack of offense from their opponents?
March 28th, 2008 at 9:34 am
TBL isn’t in the business of giving UNC credit. I mean going 35-2, 36-2, whatever it is, only losing one game with a third string point guard, winning 3 tournament games by 20+ points, those are just abberations, not a sign of a team that is the favorite of the tournament, and if you don’t think so, to steal a line from Seth Greenberg, you are certifiably insane.
TBL, pick Louisville, with your 0fer last night I don’t want you supporting the Tar Heels.
Your darlings got stomped, just as I suspected they would.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am
UNC’s not a great defensive team but I think they’re a lot better than you’re giving them credit for TBL…didn’t they win the ACC title by almost shutting out Duke in Cameron over the last 5 minutes or something?
March 28th, 2008 at 9:38 am
“I can’t defend that performance by the vols one iota. One of the most disappointing endings to any season I have ever watched. That wasn’t the same team I watched all year. I don’t know what happened to them, but that was pathetic.” Sean Jean
Sounds like what I say every year. I’m a KU fan.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
UNC was winning with offense, and ran into a team that couldn’t generate any last night (well, in the first half; again, didnt see the 2nd half).
maybe that was because of UNC’s Defense?
When your constantly up by 20+ points as UNC was in the first two games, you tend to usually cruise on the defense side.
I think UCLA is the shakiest top seed right now.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
By the way tbl, that’s an awesome pick. Looks like Low has one in his ass too……Of course then again, that might be his happy face. I don’t know.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Mike, if Pitino would have stayed at Kentucky, John Wooden would be the only coach with more national championships than him. So his genius is partly cancelled out by his desire to prove that he could be a failure in the NBA twice.
Not to rehash old arguments, but I don’t think people were arguing that Parcells, Knight, and LaRussa were bad coaches. At least I wasn’t. I’m just saying that their greatness wasn’t the reason why these three guys were chosen.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:40 am
@mike NYC- you have no clue about good coaches then and what how that adds to the teams confidence. That so called “organized” noise, was dictated by the Louisville defense. Louisvilles defense set the tone for the game. i bet you voted for Bill Simmons as well
March 28th, 2008 at 9:40 am
We missed the entire second half of the UNC bloodbath because everyday is arms day and we hadn’t lifted yet
/fixed (again)
March 28th, 2008 at 9:41 am
A reader just mentioned Dan Patrick was talking about blogs … anyone hear it? We just tuned in but only caught the last sentence before he moved on to Bonds
March 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
TBL if you payed any attention to the first half you would have seen that UNC was struggling to create the fast break, except when Washington State turned the ball over, which is usually the result of good defense.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am
cbh49er: Actually, Pomeroy did an article about a month ago — talking about Tennessee at the time, and why they weren’t a good bet to go that far in the tourney — where he showed that turnovers are actually much more the product of sloppy offense than good defense.
Personally, I think UNC’s defense is better than it is given credit for. It’s still not that good, but it’s better than the idiots who go “they gave up 80 points!” say it is.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:51 am
UCLA’s definitely the shakiest 1 seed… they’re lucky to face Xavier over the other 3 seeds in the bracket.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:51 am
But scoring 20 points below your average (wazzu) is a big deal. That doesn’t “just” happen.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Xavier will beat UCLA.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Jack, this whole UNC is overrated thing just reminds me of getting into an argument with a fan of another team, and that other team is clearly good, but since you don’t like the team you say they suck. That is what TBL is doing with UNC.
I mean what does a team have to do to be good in his eye’s. For months TBL tried saying Washington State could beat UNC and then they got their candy asses kicked last night, but instead it was just a poor game by Washington State, I am not surprised though. If UNC wins the tournament according to TBL they will become the first team to win 6 straight games because the other team just played lousy.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Roy’s teams have never played defense. But when you’re posting 90+ every game you can get away with it most of the time.
March 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am
@triston- never huh, just cherry picking around
March 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Agreed Triston, I mean Roy said as much last night, he said he would rather win by scoring 80, 90 points a game. UNC has so many options, you can shut Hansborough down for a half but then you have Danny Green hitting the three, Ellington, Lawson, Stephenson, Ginyard, etc.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Roy’s teams simply out run teams. Even when he was at Kansas, the goal was to run the opposition into the ground and get them tired. And it works 95% of the time because few teams have the depth and skill to keep up.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Anybody who thinks that UCLA “caught a break” against Xavier is just looking at the name of the team and assuming they’re overrated. Xavier has been damn good for a long time. This isn’t their first Elite Eight this decade, and they had Ohio State beat last year in the second round.
Xavier will give UCLA a better game than Duke would have. I truly believe that.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am
where he showed that turnovers are actually much more the product of sloppy offense than good defense
That is true…one of the reasons Wisconsin plays such good defense is that they’re not coached to gamble and play simple, position oriented defense where you just keep your man in front of you
It’s kinda like fumbles in football…the Lions were 6-2 last season due partly to that they were falling on a ridiculous amount of fumbles but since those are more luck than anything once those breaks stopped happening they fell apart
March 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am
@Triston- Roy Williams won his only championship with Matt Dohertys recruits. if it worked 95% of the time, there would be more titles.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
maybe it was just me but i thought the xavier-wva game was good.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am
I’m sure the 95% number is a bit of hyperbole, but even if that were the case, if the 5% of times it doesn’t work are in the last game of your season (i.e. the tourney), you won’t put up many banners. Another reason why NCAA kinda blows, btw.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Don’t think I was dumb enough to say that UNC “sucked.” I just have maintained that I’m not a believer because I don’t think UNC doesn’t plays great defense. That is all.
Did they shut down WSU last night? Yes. Could they win it all? Of course. I don’t ‘hate’ UNC … this is just my opinion. That is all. I felt the same way about Duke all season, even at 22-1. Clearly, that teamed turned out to be a fraud.
UNC, at least through 3 rounds of this tourney, does not. I hope it steamrolls Louisville.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:14 am
I’m sure the 95% number is a bit of hyperbole, but even if that were the case, if the 5% of times it doesn’t work are in the last game of your season (i.e. the tourney), you won’t put up many banners. Another reason why NCAA kinda blows, btw.
Exactly. People have forgotten that long span where Roy couldn’t even get to the Sweet 16 when he was with Kansas.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Irish, time to catch up – you’re a day behind. The Pitino remark was heavy, heavy sarcasm.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Xavier is going to give UCLA all they want and more. While watching them methodically grind apart a very good Purdue team and then beat a very hot WVU team, on numerous occasions I couldn’t help but think, “How the hell did these guys lose twice in one week to that shitty St. Joe’s team?”
March 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I don’t think Xavier is a great team. They almost lost to GEORGIA, they let teams get back into the game too easily and they have inconsistent shooting. I can see UCLA scoring a ton of points off the fast break, and if the Bruins shut down Duncan, there’s no way Xavier can win.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:20 am
@mike NYC- how is saying Pitino hasnt won a title in over ten years sarcasm?
March 28th, 2008 at 10:22 am
People that bet on individual games in the NCAA tournament (as opposed to doing an office pool) should probably just take their wallet out and light it on fire.
Guard play is a wash, Love dominates Duncan, UCLA beats Xavier. If both teams are hitting their shots and getting out on the break successfully, UL/UNC could go for 200 points.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:24 am
TBL, even if UNC were to lose in the tournament that doesn’t make them a fraud. You lost 3 games all year, you are a tremendous team.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Irish, you were in the thread yesterday – see my comment here.
What I was trying to say, obviously in a poor way, is that some people will say Pitino is not successful because he has “only” 1 title, and that he won that title over 10 years ago. I don’t agree. And neither do you, I can see.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am
I don’t know why some people scratch their heads at tournament results. The whole thing is a giant crapshoot – basketball is the absolute dumbest sports to rely in a one-game scenario for a result. You can’t grade college basketball coaches on tournament success, it’s fruitless.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Roy Williams won his only championship with Matt Dohertys recruits. if it worked 95% of the time, there would be more titles.
Irish, I think that is a lame, tired argument, for any coach. If it was just about the recruits, why didn’t Doherty win it all?
March 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Note: TBL does back up his hatred with his tourney picks, having them losing to Indiana in round two. Oops.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Ben, I have one reaction to that.
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March 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am
@nino- going over the staircase nino. kind of hard when your alma mater is pushing you out the door for Roy Williams
i love UNC dont get me wrong
March 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I don’t know why some people scratch their heads at tournament results. The whole thing is a giant crapshoot – basketball is the absolute dumbest sports to rely in a one-game scenario for a result. You can’t grade college basketball coaches on tournament success, it’s fruitless.
1000% true. It’s a fantastic spectacle, but the people who think it’s a great way to determine a champion, because it’s decided “on the (playing surface),” are just crazy.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Yes, using arbitrary polls = great way of producing a champion.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:42 am
No, but 7 game series are.
NBA > NCAA
March 28th, 2008 at 10:43 am
If these were the NBA playoffs, we’d be about halfway through Round 1. With about six more weeks to go.
NCAA >>> NBA
March 28th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Well yes they pushed, because Roy is obviously the better coach. Doherty helped though, he and those same recruits went 8-20.
Isnt Doherty at SMU now?
March 28th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Looking forward to Stanford-Texas tonight, great contrast in styles. Also looking forward to seeing how Curry does against the Badgers defense.
Sportsgal how was Harry’s?
March 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Harry’s was good, it’s really nice (compared to Hi-Tops, anyway). The food was great, I recommend the pulled pork sandwich. They have a 104″ plasma in the back of the bar! I can only imagine what that place is going to be like when the season starts. Didn’t get a chance to check out the upstairs…
March 28th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I’ll have to check it out during the season, a 104″ plasma is intriguing
March 28th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Derick Lowe almost looks like he’s accepted the fact that Hansbrough is about to teabag him in that pic!