Amnesty? Baseball Will Never Learn
Baseball, Drugs April 11th. 2008, 6:20pm
Everyone in the Mitchell Report gets a free pass. What a joke.
“It is time for the game to move forward,” Commissioner Bud Selig said in a statement. “There is little to be gained at this point in debating dated misconduct and enduring numerous disciplinary proceedings.” The amnesty covers Jose Guillen of the Kansas City Royals and Jay Gibbons, released last month by the Baltimore Orioles. The 15-day suspension for each player, imposed last December and stayed pending the new agreement, has been waived.
It’s not that we expected anything to come of the Mitchell Report … or Jake Peavy’s hand, or Kenny Rogers two years ago in the World Series, blah, blah. But this cements it: We firmly believe that Mike Wilbon was right – MLB has no problem with cheating. Clearly the fans don’t give a shit. Depressing.
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April 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
the hundreds of other players who weren’t in the mitchell report got a free pass. whats the big deal?
April 11th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
The answer: don’t pay attention to baseball. Fans vote with their wallets
April 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
the problem is that the drug will always be ahead of the drug testers.. all this steroid nonsense is old man..all these guys are on HGH, half my high school baseball team last year was on it.. you CAN NOT test for hgh.. and i dont happen to have a problem with HGH.. i think one day people will be taking that shit like advil. and i think everyone has done/will do steroids/hgh so im ok with it.. i love sports, and im aware that all the athletes take performance enhancing drugs, no beef with it.. i mean the punter of the broncos sauerbraun got caught with the juice.. they are all on it, especially in that sport..
April 11th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
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getcan’t get everybody, so let’s not punish anyone!April 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
But this country was founded on illegal steroid use!
/oh, wrong amnesty issue
April 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Mike, I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again:
The definition of a fanatic is someone who can’t be convinced and can’t change the subject. It’s sort of like how gay culture loves reading every movie as gay symbolism…
You see, the X-Men were really just a metaphor for homosexuality since they can’t come out as their true selves…
April 11th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Justin Rose = Trainwreck
April 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
That totally sucks! Internet campaign time!
April 11th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I am on the fence on the steroid debate. I hate Barry Bonds. He’s always been an asshole (even before the steroids), but this cements it. But a Philly favorite Lenny Dykstra took his steroid infused body and led us to game 6 of the World Series (along with Pete Incaviglia and God knows who else). If I can’t hate Dykstra because of that, then I can’t hate anyone for it. It’s a moral issue for me. I might think lesser of someone if the roided up (Clemens, Gibbons, Guillen). But I will not hate them because of it.
April 11th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Now I have to hate Gonzo. Dammit, Gonzo, why’d you make me do it?
April 11th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
By the looks of your photo, you could use some roids Hef. email me and i’ll hook you up with my dealer.
April 11th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Can no one recognize Buster Bluth? Anyone?
April 11th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Hate ‘em all!
April 11th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Is there any other solution than amnesty? We can remove records and suspend, but this list isn’t complete. It sucks b/c i love baseball more than anything and i don’t see a solution.
April 11th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
TBL, how do we make the distinctions on this? hate them all? seriously dude?
your better than that man.. how do we know which players took HGH, or are on it right now as we speak, how bout players that took roids and never got caught.. listen to the people who are informed on the subject like conseco who says 80-90% were on it.. too many of them were on it, and most of them will never be known publicly.. i say vote for the best players of the era (bonds, sosa, mcgwire) and that’s that.. this era will always be known as the steroid era for better or worse, but you can’t sit there and say hate all of em, because we will never know ALL of them
April 11th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
So now, let me get this straight. First, I never even gave a shit who went to Jose Canseco’s party. Now, they’re telling me it doesn’t even matter who went to Jose Canseco’s party? A lot of people have a lot of splaining to do. I give up.
April 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Cortes, I think TBL’s comment was tongue in cheek.
April 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Hef, I had to google Buster Bluth. I never watched Arrested Development (don’t everyone pelt me with rocks).
April 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
See, i don’t agree with cortes either. This is tough b/c i can’t see letting the worst offenders off the hook.
April 11th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Hef. I emailed you through the Yahoo site. I put my personal email there. Hit me up for trade talk and trash talk. Who is your fav MLB team? I don’t think I ever got that.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
See, I do more of less hate them all. But when it comes to competition, I’m overly fair, as in I’ve been screwed by that. I like to know I’m going toe-to-toe against my competitor, with no outside help, may the best man win. That may be why I loved distance running so much, because there’s not an outrageous amount of cheaters (not at the high school and Division II level anyways). Then when I find out I’ve been fleeced or something, I’m beyond furious.
I just hate cheating the sport. That’s what pisses me off. But I’m a baseball fanatic, so it’s worse and won’t get much better. But Bonds was always an asshole, he deserves whatever he gets…and so does Clemens.
Now, I must continue drinking myself into oblivion so I forget that exam I bombed today. See yall tomorrow, when I hopefully don’t realize I forgot my wallet and have to walk back home to get it. Fucking ridiculous.
Phils are up 5-3, whatta game.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I like to know I’m going toe-to-toe against my competitor, with no outside help, may the best man win.
Jay Gibbons wonders if you are really an Orioles fan. haha
April 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
TBL, this is old news. Mitchell said on the day of the proceedings that he recommended Selig NOT punish the people in the report. The only reason the whole charade got dragged out is because Clemens decided to try to salvage his image and be the only one to refute the findings.
April 11th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Oh, Hef, the irony is rich.
April 11th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Oh, Baby Buster? From the “Boyfights” videos?
April 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
First of all…The people in the Mitchell Report who took HGH or were accused of it did not break and baseball rules…the law sure but people break the law and are not suspended for that…plus 90% in the Mitchell report were ACCUSED of steroid and HGH abuse..how can you rightly suspend people because a convicted drug dealer and a fired trainer told you they did. This is not a reflection on who I think did the Juice and what I think of them. I actually find out what happened in the 1980’s more offensive than the steroids era..Great players were nose deep in Cocaine hurting their teams…these guys were actually trying to win games and earn money…I have less disdain for that.
April 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Somebody explain to me why people like baseball…guy throws ball at other guy….other guy may or may not hit it, if he’s on ‘roids he probably will…everyone else stands around. I do realize that every once in a while other get involved if the ball gets to them, but 90% of the time they pick at their glove.
I am not trying to hate on baseball…I don’t mind watching once in a while. But I just can’t get into it.
April 11th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
@hef, the worst offenders? what does that mean anyway.. there’s no way to make distinctions on who did what, and how much each person did.. the steroid and HGH use was rampant and wide spread throughout the 90’s… the roids didn’t help the guys who suck become great.. for example if shane victorino takes roids for the next 50 years he still wont hit 40 homers in a year, you have to be great to do that you know what i mean? not sure what you guys think, but how do you not vote bonds into the hall of fame?? thats bullshit if he doesn’t get in.. you cant tell me its because the roids made him great, because he was great for a decade before he got big. and you cant feed me the moral high road bullshit becuase guys who are racist and beat their wifes are in the hall (see cobb,ty)
April 11th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Cortes — how does being racist or being a wife-beater allow you to hit a baseball farther?
April 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
… the roids didn’t help the guys who suck become great.. for example if shane victorino takes roids for the next 50 years he still wont hit 40 homers in a year, you have to be great to do that you know what i mean?
You’ve just made Brady Anderson smile, wherever he is.
April 11th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
mike you missed the point, i was saying the wife beating as it relates to moral standards.. how people say its morally wrong to take steroids just like its morally wrong to be racist and beat your wife etc.. and rick james, brady anderson is the one obvious exception.. there all too many guys like alex sanchez and paul lo duca and guillermo mota who took roids, got caught with roids, and have sucked their whole career.. but of course their are exceptions man..
April 11th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I’ll be honest, after years and year of ESPN sniffing Bonds’ ass… I really, really don’t care. I admit it. I find it amazing that baseball, as roided as it may be, can be considered worse than the NFL. Something is amiss and to me at this point, it is all entertainment. Much like our favorite rock stars of the past 50 years (jazz stars past 90 years), they are blasted on coke, heroin, speed, whatever that influences their “art”, these athletes today are doing what it takes to get paid and by getting paid it means entertaining.
And look who is paying them. Us. And they still keep getting paid, which means we are still buying.
The wife was watching Miss Usa tonight. Merriman was a judge. To me, that says it all. We can do all this phony bitching, but we still buy tickets and watch tv. In fact, tomorrow I’m watching boxing and I don’t really care who is juiced on what. I want a good fight.
Baseball is the best example of The Phony. They are horrible at putting the media to rest. Allowing 73 HRs in a season will do that. Pay the Piper. The NFL is so much smarter than MLB. However, it is all going to come crashing down or staying the same course. No middle. I lean towards the latter.
Money flows. Ethics blow. Selig realized that today.
April 12th, 2008 at 12:02 am
your right KC…. take sports for what it is.. its entertainment..and all of our entertainers take performance enhancing drugs.. so what man.. if TBL could take a magic pill that was wink-wink illegal but it would make his site get 3 billion hits a month, he would fucking take the pill.. sports is no diff than real life..
April 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am
C’mon Gonzo…Nails just had some “really good vitamins”!
April 12th, 2008 at 12:33 am
KC, you could have made that a full post here on TBL. I enjoy your opinions.
April 12th, 2008 at 1:54 am
I haven’t read any of the comments but I do know that Roger Clemens is a dickhead.
/more of an assumption
April 12th, 2008 at 3:11 am
I hate Clemens because he claims he’s a Texan when he was actually born in Dayton, OH. Poser…
-CNoMo, Dayton, OH
April 12th, 2008 at 8:36 am
no wonder him and bush are friends
April 12th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Also not born in Texas – Hank Hill.
April 12th, 2008 at 10:45 am
The Horror! What’s next? You’re gonna tell me Mark Cuban isn’t from there either?
/sarcasm