“Gasbags on Parade:” He’s Talking About ESPN, Duh
ESPN, Media Gossip/Musings April 30th. 2008, 3:00pm
Ok, so we’re over the hand-wringing about Buzz and his battle with the blogs. But what we don’t want to get lost amid all of the author’s bluster: Last night was one of the most frank, vivid, and compelling discussions about sports we’ve seen on TV in a very, very long time. It was like the Sports Reporters before Mike Lupica ruined it. How come sports fans aren’t treated to more lively, real discussions like this?
Upon further inspection of our notes – losery, we know – a trend emerged to answer this question: Most of this outrage last night was indirectly pointed at ESPN and its unhealthy obsession with incessant debating. (Some of you may find this amazing, but zeitgeist-capturing rabble-rouser and one-time TBL interview subject Chuck Klosterman made this point back in October.) And please, do not confuse an informed panel having a genuine discussion with anything that happens on Around on the Horn. It’s like Nobu vs. Chinese takeout.
Buzz seemed certain that blogs are lowering the sports discourse and contributing to the dumbing down of American sports fans. Well, we’ll argue this – ESPN’s shouting and debating, coupled with the insanity on sports talk radio, are doing much, much more damage than blogs are. Has Buzz listened to these yahoos? Costas rattled off some important numbers from last night that we didn’t write down, but can sum up rather easily: ESPN rules the sports world. Between TV, radio and the internet, there is no comparison. It still, for the most part, sets the sporting agenda and makes stories pop or go away. Radio’s probably second, and while the internet remains a distant third, it is clearly gaining ground.
(Aside: A media source weighs in thusly – “It’s like the British [way back when], sitting around and assuring themselves that those “Americans” were a bunch of crazed lowlifes whose “cotton gins” and “Industrial Revolutions” were surely signs of civilization’s moral decay and worship of false idols.)
When Al Michaels uttered the potentially-iconic “Gasbags on Parade” line, he had to be speaking about the following talking heads: Everyone who jousts on 1st and 10, Sportscenter, Around the Horn, NFL Live and any other ESPN shows we may have missed. (Says the blogger who linked at least two Kiper-McShay debates. Our argument? They are informed reporters – like Mort and Clayton and Marc Stein and countless others – not detached navel-gazers.) But wait! As Mike Tirico pointed out last night: “This is America. If you don’t like the channel, there are 1,000 different options out there.” Slight problem: For sports on TV, there are no other options. We turn to Fox Sports and the screen is so littered with information, our head hurts. And you wonder why we end up watching 90210 re-runs and prattling on about the Wonder Years!
The beauty of sports blogs – there’s something for everyone. Don’t like this one? Kindly navigate that blogroll on the right and voice that better suits you. Sitting in front you TV and seeking a different sports option? Good luck.
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April 30th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I did appreciate that when HBO was talking about the yelling they showed a clip from their then own show, Inside the NFL.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Some one got the guy
April 30th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Interesting twist on the whole debate.
Let’s face it: I’d rather read a 1,000 Balls Deep or CSM blog updates than listen to Skip Bayless go on for more than a minute.
So what do I do? My news come from online. I catch PTI (my only ESPN weakness). And I catch plenty of games. Everything else I turn away and go catch Law and Order.
Fox Sports? Useless. Sadly.
Versus? Only catch it when there’s good hockey on there.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
i get no enjoyment from hearing old men say ballsdeep…
April 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Yeah I wouldn’t lump PTI into the Gasbags comment, they usually don’t argue for the sake of arguing. I remember Wilbon saying he wasn’t a big fan of the Good Cop, Bad Cop segment because it was contrived.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I understand the point and I clearly read blogs and enjoy them, but what is the point here, dude? What is to be gained by saying blogs are gaining ground on newspapers? Is it a respect thing?
April 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Didn’t realize Buzz he went to the Phillips Acadamy in Andover (many presidents and rich fucks went there). Can you say spoiled elitist bastard from a young age. Maybe he was just angry about having to sit next to a black person.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Wouldn’t you be?
@TBL: I realize this is sort of your blogeuphoria/blogxmas/blogolution day all rolled into one, but can we get a post about Avery getting fired, so the rest of us can get partitioned off to make dick jokes, etc.?
April 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I loved that the Mets made SNY a bastion of NY sports news…with fair and balanced (actual) reporting on its Sportsnite, which until recently went an hour…now they have added two argument shows with Soctt Ferrell and Brandon Tierney and another with Adam Schein and Chris Carlin…which is 2 guys yelling at each other and turned another show “Daily News Live” in to 4 guys yelling at each other…they shortened the news to 30 minutes and added a 5 minute segments of 2 guys yelling at each other…I have never been more diappointed in my life…they turned a good thing in to a shitfest…and these assholes want to know why blogs exist…maybe becuase we are sick of others setting the agenda and yelling at each other and want to talk to or yell at others who can formulate their own opinons.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
@cbh49er – I agree with your take on PTI. And you can tell that they have taken it down a notch in the past few years. In the beginning, they were bordering on gasbags. Then again, I think CNN Crossfire and the McLoughlin Group were huge hits at the time, so they were just trying to be the sports equivalent.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Drogba with a sick “RUTHLESS!” follow for Chelsea: 1-0 over Liverpool with 13 minutes left in the half
April 30th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
why the hell is this a competition? you like newspapers? great, read em. you like blogs? great, read em. you like em both? great, read em.
this isn’t Soviet Russia (where book reads you!)…we can read whatever the hell we want.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Newspapers are a business. Big one. Lots of jobs are being lost. They aren’t being replaced.
Blogs are mostly done as a hobby.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Drogba sliding at midfield was a big “Fuck You” to Benitez.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Fucking China! Stealing our jobs again. Those yellow bastards sure can write, though.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
TBL…yea, i understand that, but what does yelling at a bunch of people accomplish? if you suck at your accounting job and are in danger of being replaced, do you just go yell at some guy who does his taxes in 20 minutes at HRblock.com?
April 30th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
a lot of it is contrived, including the subjects. kornheiser talks about this on his radio show all the time.
if you want to see an unrehearsed PTI, go to the sports page of the washingtonpost.com and click on “talking points.” significantly better than PTI which seems to have run its course (in my eyes/ears).
April 30th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I have a Job and a Blog. That makes me the shit.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I think that is what is at the heart of the “state of the MSM.” It’s dying because ESPN is putting out crap. That is why blogs are gaining ground, and that is what the MSM is scared. Their #1 gun, ESPN, isn’t what is used to be.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
why the hell is this a competition? you like Kobe Bryant? great, like him. you like LeBron James? great, like him. you like them both? great, like them.
Fixed.
I know some people hate the whole fixed thing but I couldn’t resist.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
fixed
April 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
i thought he had a ruptured spleen, not “fired?” plus, i don’t think the rangers would cut a player that good.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
why the hell is this a competition? you like Kobe Bryant, a clearly inferior product? great, like him. you like LeBron James, a supreme talent? great, like him. you like them both? great, like them.
Fixed. Again.
/Go Cavs.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
TBL, but as usual the entities that are affected, newspapers, aren’t even threatened/angry with the right people. It was losing the classified ads that really killed the papers, which should make them angry at Craigslist and Monster. The value of their ad space has gone down since readership went down, but I’m not passing on a copy of the Plain Dealer to read this site. I’m passing on the CPD because it offers me very little value, and it sucks donkey balls (had to add that since I’m a hate filled anonymous poster)
April 30th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
@Nick
Is the clearly racist stuff just a running joke today or…?
April 30th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Haha at least you agreed we can like them both Nick.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
F the Cavs
GO MAGIC
April 30th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
HOLY SHIT
April 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
@Maggs: Everyday is that day. It amuses me. Sorry if it offends anyone.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
old news spencer old news
April 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I hate to be the history police, but the quote from your media source really doesn’t make much sense — the Industrial Revolution certainly began in Britain.
I’ll stop being annoying now.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Jason, I can appreciate the attempt at debate that supposedly happened last night, but when so many people are on the wrong panels (Braylon, Dan Patrick) or felony uninformed (Bissinger) then what’s accomplished? The people who disagree with that Bissinger said, do so because they know better. The people who think he was spot on (Wilbon, probably), do so because they’re underinformed about the meritocracy (an apt description by Leitch, btw) that underpins sports blogging. Were minds changed last night? Were bridges crossed? No, because the template was skewed from the beginning, mainly because Bob Costas obviously knows less about sports (and who’d be good sparring partners) than I would have hoped. That is all
/dick joke
April 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
USA Mens basketball in 2006 with LeBron the selfish statistic guy leading the way: Bronze in the World champioonships
USA Mens basketball in 2007 with Kobe the selfless team player in charge of things: Gold at FIBA Americas
Advantage: Kobe
Crying in Shame: Stats Papageorgio
April 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
spencer, TBL claims he linked to the last night. i think he missed it when he was cleaning his bedroom in his mothers basement. it’s a crazy story.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Isn’t “mother’s basement” also a sex act in Alabama? I coulda swore it were.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
OMG Guys, check this out!!!!
/spencer
April 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
We landed on the moon!!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Girls raped: Kobe (1)
1 > 0
Stats Pap to the rescue, FTW!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Did you guys know about this?
/extra special meta edition
April 30th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Yeah I already knew that. Read about it here
April 30th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Spencer, I got your back, I didn’t know about that either. I thought Roger Clemens had the market cornered on bedding underage girls.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
when is the obligatory “ESPN is ignoring the Karl Malone banging a 16 year old” post from TBL coming?
April 30th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I once posted link to a future post and busted the space/time continuum all to shit. Me and Doc Brown fixed it though. Not before framing Kobe for a rape he didn’t commit as a joke for future Nick. It’s complicated. You wouldn’t understand.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Wait. If you went back in time, did you rig the MVP vote for Kobe as well?
You already knew I was going to say that, right? And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I know you’re not dissing Chinese food here.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
“when is the obligatory “ESPN is ignoring the Karl Malone banging a 16 year old†post from TBL coming?”
No story to run with. 16 is legal in Louisanna.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Nick, someone has poisoned the coffee.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
when is the obligatory “ESPN is ignoring the Karl Malone banging a 16 year old†post from TBL coming?
um, yeah, that was supposed to say 13 year old. i’m retarded.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Well, according to what spence linked to, she was 13 not 16. However, in Louisiana, that’s still not a big deal.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
fixed.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Hef, can you please go back and stop DeShawn Stevenson, Gilbert Arenas, and Brendon Haywood from every talking trash about LeBron James? Thanks.
April 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
530
April 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Blogs are mostly done as a hobby. But please click the ads.
TBL, this is what you meant, right? haha
April 30th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
It works on sports talk radio, so it must work on TV! Focus groups probably love it!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Fine by me!
April 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
TBL, when you interjected your post with the British Colonialism comparison, I think you sort of hit it dead on. I’ve thought the Bloggers v. MSM is analogous to the movie V for Vendetta, and especially the end of the movie with the thousands of Vs staring up at the established rule. The movie has been oft used as comparative material for various occurrences, so add this to the pile.
Personally, I think that in the next two or three years we’re going to see a change in technology, coupled with a shift in taste, that alters the course of the current blogoshpere. My guess is this will likely come with the already happening convergence of media/internet/personal devices. Self-published content overlays (read: blog/commenters/messageboards) of television media will probably the straw that breaks the back that is Costas and his bitch Buzz (can’t be entirely mature, now can I?).
April 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Dick jokes, nomo. Dick jokes.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
TBL: Tremendous fucking job today on coverage/response to last night’s “Sports Media Panel.”
April 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Dick Cheney said he felt terrible about shooting a 78-year-old man, but on the bright side, it did give him a great idea about how to fix Social Security.
/ Bill Maher
April 30th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
well, i guess im an idiot…
oh and y’all can go fuck yourselves.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
haven’t seen V for Vendetta. sidenote: Actually got rid of HBO today. replace it with some ‘movies’ package that includes like 25 channels for the price of one hbo. may have to change it up for entourage … or can you watch those online?
thanks, man.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
@TBL- you can watch Entorage online. Remember that site i emailed you?
April 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
TBL, HBO has really sucked lately. i’m thinking of doing the same thing. i’m sure you can find Entourage online somewhere.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Entourage online? [pssst]piratebay[/pssst]
And V is a damn good movie, subtext and all.
April 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
The only reason I have HBO now is for fights and Hot Shots Part Deux. They need a couple good new series’ by this fall or it is gone.
Speaking of which, how awesome would Lost be if it were on HBO?
May 1st, 2008 at 8:56 am
HBO is really in a series drought right now. They got nothing going except for Entourage and thats basically fluff.
Why would we want Lost on HBO? 13 episodes a yr? No thanks.