DJ Augustin: Lottery Pick or Not?
College Basketball May 2nd. 2008, 6:50pm
A reader, perhaps disappointed that we think Texas point guard DJ Augustin is making a mistake bolting for the NBA, passed along this link to us yesterday. If you don’t have ESPN Insider, here’s the text under “Right Move,” courtesy of Chad Ford: “[Augustin] is the second-best point guard in the draft and has a great maturity level. He’s a bit undersized, but another year at Texas won’t help that. Several teams in the lottery need point guards, so the chances of Augustin’s slipping are slim.”
Among ESPN’s many voices, Chad Ford is probably our favorite. We completely disagree with him here.
Let’s start with who needs a point guard: Miami, Seattle, maybe the Knicks, maybe the Clippers, maybe the Kings, and maybe Indiana (if they can somehow unload Tinsley). Outside of lottery teams, maybe Phoenix (heir apparent to Nash?), maybe the Wizards (what becomes of Gilbert?), Cleveland, and perhaps Orlando.
Here’s the problem with the NBA – who are the point guards on the top two seeds in the playoffs? Rajon Rondo, a second-year player, and Derek Fisher. This is still a big man’s league. Guards can tally all the massive regular season stats they want – the playoffs are for the post players. You like Billups? He was taken 3rd overall in 1997, spent five less-than-ordinary seasons on four different teams before improving his game and turning into an NBA Finals MVP (on an incredibly balanced team). Let’s not get all point-guard happy just because the 2005 class of Paul and Williams and Felton is kicking ass. Below, take a look at each first-round point guard selected since 2000. It’s a bad, bad group.
Is Derrick Rose an exception? It appears so. Augustin? Less so. Don’t get us wrong – Augustin is a fine, fine college player. He probably would have been a Player of the Year candidate next season. But we can’t fathom him going in the lottery this year, especially not with the size available (Beasley, Lopez twins, Randolph, Jordan) and plethora of scoring combo guards (Gordon, Mayo, Bayless, Westbrook).
There’s zero chance the Knicks take Augustin at five, it seems high unlikely the Clippers would grab him at six (they need a shooting guard), Milwaukee, Charlotte, Chicago and New Jersey are all set, which brings us to Indiana at 11. If Bird can dump Tinsley, sure, Augustin makes sense. If not, Sacramento at 12 is the only other lottery team that needs a point guard. One thing to keep in mind when looking at the list below – take note of the sub-6-foot point guards.
2000
Mateen Cleaves, 14 (is he in the league?)
Speedy Claxton, 20 (overpaid reserve)
Erik Barkley, 28 (so good in college, no clue what he’s doing now)
2001
Raul Lopez, 24 (bust)
Jamaal Tinsley, 27 (starter plagued by poor shooting and off-the-court decisions)
Tony Parker, 28 (stud)
2002
Jay Williams, 2 (motorcycle accident)
Frank Williams, 25 (nope)
Dan Dickau, 28 (”program” guy)
2003
Kirk Hinrich, 7 (solid starter)
TJ Ford, 8 (good starter)
Marcus Banks, 13 (decent backup)
Luke Ridnour, 14 (jury’s still out; can pass, but can’t shoot)
Troy Bell, 16 (reserve, at best)
2004
Shaun Livingston, 4 (injuries)
Sebastian Telfair, 13 (terrible)
Jameer Nelson, 20 (this is who we think Augustin compares favorably to)
Delonte West, 24 (role player)
Sasha Vujacic, 27 (solid reserve, but could probably start on other teams)
Beno Udrih, 28 (becoming a solid player)
2005
Deron Williams, 3 (stud)
Chris Paul, 4 (stud)
Raymond Felton, 5 (solid starter)
Nate Robinson, 21 (good backup)
Jarrett Jack, 22 (solid, yet unspectacular)
2006
Rajon Rondo, 21 (good defender, sort of like a young Ron Harper)
Marcus Williams, 22 (thought he’d be better)
Kyle Lowry, 24 (really like him, but he’s in a tough spot in Memphis with Conley)
Jordan Farmar 26 (so far, so good as a reserve)
Sergio Rodriguez 27 (too early to tell)
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May 2nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
if you think he compares most favorably to Nelson then you could argue he’s lottery material
May 2nd, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Augistin has a lot of potential as a point guard, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him play one more season at Texas before declaring for the draft.
He’ll still be a lottery pick next year and could be a top three. The kid could stand to have his game grow a little more.
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Augustin*
/D’oh
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Portland is in need of a good PG, but probably wouldn’t take another small, unproven PG like Augustin as they already have enough small PGs (Blake, Jack, Rodriguez). If they happened to win the lottery, it would Derrick Rose all the way.
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Stringer Bell is on Law & Order (TNT) right now, rocking his native British accent. It’s freakin’ me out. Time for more Rogue Dead Guy…
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Augustin scared the shit out of me in college, but I’m not totally sure how his game translates to the NBA. He can shoot pretty well but I think he seems like a shoot first point guard (or at least in the games I saw) and I don’t know how that translates to the NBA.
May 2nd, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Portland has the sickest PG prospect in the world (Rudy Fernandez) waiting to come over from Europe. They’re set.
You’re reallllly selling Rondo short.
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
/whatever
iron man was sick. stay after the credits.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Yeah Fernandez is legit, but Rodriguez is pretty good for the Blazers as well. I don’t think there’s any way they’d take a PG unless someone really good dropped into their laps that they didn’t expect to see at their spot. I can see the Augustin/Nelson comparison, but Nelson was a much more polished player coming out of college than Augustin is right now too. A much better defender, finisher, and shooter. Augustin might be a little more athletic, but still… I wouldn’t take him unless my team was sitting at about the 15th pick or worse and he fell that far.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
mole, what happened after the credits? I agree about its sickness…after some time to get perspective, it’ll probably be up there with Batman Begins in my ranking of comic book movies.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pm
three words
samuel
l
jackson
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Moleman, watch out, don’t post any spoilers here…
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pm
ROBERT DOWNEY JR IS IRON MAN
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I know exactly who he is too…damn I wish I’d stayed
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 pm
i mean its no secret, hes in the cast and has been on the wikipedia page since the inception of the movie
at the end i was like ‘where the fuck is he!’ and convinced my roommate to stay through the credits
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 pm
How bout them God damn Phils.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 pm
@ Gonzo: you mean Twins
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 pm
how about joey bats bautista
also how about the top notch lighting cinci has
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
how about the marlins winning again 6-3.. hendrickson = ace
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
lance hendrickson?
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Hendrickson = Former Sixer. haha
To Fetch and everyone else. Speaking of twins… remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSoq-LquAlc
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:59 pm
See you on Sunday…
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 pm
so this would easily be the biggest choke in nba history right
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Is there some kind of Hawks cheer we can make up before Sunday?
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm
oh shit, that was the wrong link.I meant this link for Twins. Ruined all the excitement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqoYvlEZis
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
hahahha great photo josh
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 pm
@ Gonzo: the excitement is back
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
But I really thought this would be one of the videos.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Fetch, I love that video. Cuz posted that 2 weekends ago. Still gets a laugh.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:40 pm
get some rest Cleveland Lebrons…get all the rest you want.
May 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 am
Damnit left before the credits ended… hell.
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am
Hef, I know you’re feverishly clickling refresh with the hopes of commenting on something new to validate your existence, so here ya go.
Thanks for the heads up on Sunny. Ran through season 1. That’s what I needed. Another cringe-inducing show to watch (see: Enthusiasm, Curb Your). Excruciatingly uncomfortable to extraordinarily funny. “The Gang Gets Racist” fits the former, with the disappointment of Mac not being molested overwhelmingly the latter.
Where’s your brother, dude?
We just stepped out of the shower. He’ll be down in a minute. em>
May 3rd, 2008 at 11:06 am
I’m going to go America all over everyone’s asses!
May 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
thats great, your grandfather is a nazi