The NBA Lottery: Where the Worst Come to Lose
NBA May 20th. 2008, 4:15pm
In the last 17 seasons, the team with the worst record in the NBA has only gotten the first pick in the NBA draft four times. Imagine the ignominy – your injured superstars rest in the second half of the season and you field a lineup of jokers all in the effort to tank and get the best player in the draft. And then you lose the lottery. This is not good news for the Miami Heat, who looked like an expansion team en route to 15 victories.
June’s draft is incredibly deep, but there are two clear-cut selections at the top, just like last year: Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley. Whereas last year everyone thought Greg Oden was the pick because dominant centers are few and far between, this one’s more of a tossup: Do you want the muscular, lightning quick point guard who was dominant in the Final Four, or the bruising power forward who we’ve long compared Derrick Coleman?
The awesome NBA postseason of Chris Paul has probably helped the cause of Rose, since the two do a nifty job of slithering into the lane and creating. D Wade has already expressed interest in Rose; but Seattle would take a long look too. Neither Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour, two Pac-10 point guards, seem like reliable starters. Then again, the potential of Beasley and Shawn Marion on the Heat up front could be instantly formidable in the meek East. And in the West, where some of the best power forwards roam (Amare, Duncan, Boozer, Dirk), Seattle could use the help. The draft will turn, though, on who lands the 3rd pick, and what they do with it. Brook Lopez, OJ Mayo, a Euro, Jerry Bayless … the opportunities are endless. We’ll be around in the NBA thread tonight talking about the envelope ceremony.
Oh, and Jay-Z will be there representing the Nets, not that it matters.
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May 20th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I mean, it’s not like he’s got a personal and perhaps professional relationship with LeBron.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Cavs – Bill Walker
May 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
4/17= 23.25 %, right on pace for the worst team to get the first pick, 25%
May 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Are you insinuating … yeah, not sure what you’re getting at
May 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I heard they are naming the arena where the draft is held to the “Elgin Baylor Draft Convention Center”.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Wade will be representing the Heat. I shall laugh when he falls off the stage and Bennett Salvatore calls a foul.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
LOVE the draft.
Go Memphis! (adopted team, probably, for 2008-09)
May 20th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
good one clown
I just hope the Clippers get the #1 or #2 pick. No way they can fuck those picks up
May 20th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Wouldn’t Rose be sort of redundant for the Heat? I mean, Wade is already one of the best at getting to the rim, but is a suspect outside shooter. Why draft someone else in the same mold?
May 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
May 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
@TBL: I’ve long been a fan of the theory that LeBron will opt out and head to Brooklyn when that Nets team, propelled in large part by vocal minority owner Jay-Z, gets there in 2010 or 2011. And Jay being more and more visible for the Nets makes them cooler and cooler; for LeIcon, that might maybe be important.
The Cavs will not be “cool” if they continue to fall short of titles. The Knicks have so many problem contracts that they’ll be lucky to be back in the basement after climbing from hell by then. Nowhere else has even been whispered.
A BK Nets team owned by Hov and starring LeBron (and Melo, quite possibly) would be ginormous in New York.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
I predict the Blazers win, again.
/should thank lucky stars for what we have.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
captain pants! Welcome!
Fair point on lack of shooting … but i think they’re anticipating an up-and-down show with Marion in the fold …
May 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
The NBA Draft is worse than the NFL Draft, largely because it’s got even more unknowns than the NFL, and the telecast usually features Vitale and Jay Bilas, sometimes Stephen A. Smith.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
As a Heat fan, I hope we get one of the top two picks. I think either of those two guys makes us a better team next year, and they both seem ready to contribute right away. My personal preference would be Rose, because I think he is more valuable, as there are plenty of players of the Beasley mold in the NBA.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
well if we are predicting, im predicting the Knicks to get the top pick.
The Great D Antoni wont look like a fool after all
May 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Man, if the Blazers got a 1 or a 2 – that would be some seriously funny shit.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
replace hope in my post with pray. If we end up with Brook Lopez after last year’s 15 wins, I won’t smile.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
“Fred Hoiberg accompanied by a lucky Teddy Bear” will be representing Minnesota.
The Kings are sending a season ticket holder, which is pretty cool.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
TBL…i think what he’s trying to say is that JAY-Z IS A FUCKING PRICK WHO NEEDS TO KEEP HIS NOSE OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S SHIT.
seriously, Jay, we know you want LBJ. but what youre doing is bullshit.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
More unknowns in a ~60 person NBA draft than a ~210 person NFL draft?
You’re sure about that?
May 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Playing Rose and Wade and Marion, all at the same time, would, I think, be problematic; there’s only so many shots, blah, blah.
The East’s bigs at the highest level are underrated: KG’s a monster, the Wallace/revolving door of centers in Detroit are good, and Chris Bosh could average 10-12 a game if he started playing more interior defense.
And Dwight Howard’s still growing into beast mode, right, Irish?
Beasley would help, a lot, with all that, especially considering he gives them options inside when Js aren’t falling.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
It would be awesome to see D’Antoni and Rose together.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
@clown: i might actually have an accident in my car if that happened again. last year, i nearly rear ended the car in front of me when i heard we won the draft. i must have looked more insane than normal in my car hopping around, clapping, hooting and hollering.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
@rockabye- you know it my man. Sky is the limit for him
May 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I think it would be funny if the Bulls sent Jerry Krause to the draft lottery.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I think Rose would get both Wade and Marion more shots. Those guys would thrive in an up tempo style. Wade can play the point, but he is much better as a 2 and not having to do everything on offense (as he did the past couple of years).
I think they’d both help the team, no doubt, I just think Rose is more valuable. They could sign a free agent equivalent to Beasley in my eyes. Rose looks to be a stud at a position where they are not quite as prevalent.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Thanks TBL.
And I agree w/ Rockabye about not enough shots. Miami would become Denver East.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
It doesn’t matter where the Timberwolves pick. Kevin
McHaleMcFail could fuck up a 1 car funeral procession.May 20th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
DJ Paul and Juicy J > Jay-Z. Go Grizz!
May 20th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
What the hell did the Pistons get for that Darko trade? I swear we got a first round pick for him from the Grizzles. Or maybe we just gave him away, I am not really sure what happened there.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
not that anyone follows college baseball, but St. Johns is getting ROCKED by a crap Nova team. So much for a NE team hosting a regional.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
@Spence: Yeah, and the world had no problem with all the strategery the Cavs had planned for LeBron. Look, when there’s a huge FA upcoming, the other destinations try to align the stars as best they can. San An did this for J-Kidd in ‘04: No dice. Same for Orlando for Duncan in 2000.
But Stern hasn’t thrown any tampering stuff at the Nets. So the NBA’s obviously okay with it. They do benefit from his cool as a league, too; the Nets were giving away signed CDs with opening-game ticket sales in 2006.
@Nick P: Well, I’ll be: I can’t tell my Zarko Capabarka from Leodis McKelvin! But one of them has played a sport for a college in the United States for at least two years, and probably had games covered by outlets other than obscure hoops blogs and mags.
And, really, someone like JaVale McGee? You know who that is? He’s an almost definite first-rounder.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Go Memphis! (adopted team, probably, for 2008-09)
You mean the Griz? If so you picked the wrong day of the year to become a fan. We ALWAYS get screwed in the lottery. We’ve had the worst record in the league like 4 times and never gotten the no. 1 pick. We were 1 ping pong ball away from LeBron but had to give the pick to Detroit since it was only protected at the no.1 spot!
So much hope tonight, but so much disappointment is available you can taste it.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
You got the Magic pick that turned out to be Rod Stuckey. Win Pistons.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
@Maggs: I believe you ultimately got Rodney Stuckey, so it worked out okay.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
@magglio- i think we can both agree that Darko sucks bad. He sucked on the Pistons and sucked even worse on the Magic. Joe Dumars is still kicking himself in the ass for that pick
May 20th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Larry Brown ruined Darko. He coulda been one of the best.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
@ Maggs. Pistons traded Darko to Orlando. We signed him as a FA.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
@August: Your team made a huge error by signing Darko instead of Varejao. That was a no-brainer decision, IMO, and they fucked up.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Otis Smith must of owed Joe D money or something to take fucking Darko. That Darko guy will go down with Greg Oden as the biggest busts ever in NBA draft history
May 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
pshh…like Carmelo, Bosh or Wade are any good. Dumars made the right pick.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The Pistons’ Darko trade to Orlando:
GIVE UP: Darko Milicic, Carlos Arroyo
GET: Kelvin Cato, 1st round pick (would become 2007’s Rodney Stuckey)
I still like that trade for all sides; Detroit got value for someone they had no value for, Orlando got a big to pair with Howard for a bit and a PG that invigorated the Hispanic community around Orlando, and Kelvin Cato got paid.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Irish does realize Oden hasn’t even played a game yet, right?
May 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
god Kelvin Cato sucked. What a waste that fuck was
May 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
@ALL
Yeah fuck Darko. We could have had Melo, Wade or Bosch instead of that piece of shit. If not for Darko, we may have won a few more championships.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Irish, how come you don’t like Oden? At least give him a year or two before calling him a bust. He’s only played in a handful of summer league games so far.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
@rockabye- yeah, but that is for my Ohio State fans on here
May 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
@captain pants- i know. that was for tOSU #1 fan, nick statsgeorgio. He thinks Oden will be a Bill russell like player
May 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Oden will post a 20/20/20/20 on D-Ho the first time they face each other. Bookmark this!!!
May 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
@chuck e carr. I follow college baseball pretty closely actually. I kind of figured I was the only one on this site that did.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
@maggs: You may not have felt it necessary to trade for Rasheed if you had taken Carmelo. Who knows how it would have worked out, but I’d almost take the guaranteed championship.
Besides, I don’t think Melo is that good anyway.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
i cant wait for that day clown. you thought Ballin was good this year, just wait till next year
May 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Nah, I think Oden will actually be good.
/Fuck Boston.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Oden’s 20/20/20/20 line: 20 points, 20 rebounds, 20 McLovin shirts, 20 years older than Howard.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
@ Chuck: I do follow college baseball actually. I still think St. Johns will get to host, the NCAA wants to grow the game. Just stick Coastal or something up there, or San Diego if you wanted to be really ballsy. As an aside, I played against St. Johns pitcher Nick Cenatiempo at the 03 Babe Ruth World Series.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
@irish: for that, i wish upon you microfracture surgery for Dwight Howard.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Oden will post a 20/20/20/20 on D-Ho the first time they face each other. Bookmark this!!!
20 Bumps
20 Bruises
20 Stiches
20 Tissues from weeping after getting pwned.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
@Nick P.
I agree that Melo sucks. If he didn’t look like a chick with a whispy stache he might have a little more of my respect. What is up with the whispy stache? Is it trendy? Do people really enjoy looking like complete hell? I don’t get these darn kids these days.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
@Irish: will we ever see Fran Vazquez?
May 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
You know how everyone slurped Al Horford this year?
You all DO remember that Oden absolutely destroyed Horford and Noah inside in that title game in 2007, right? That it was Brewer and Green and Humphrey that were the keys?
What makes you think that’s not the Oden we’re getting? Amare’s come back, better, from microfracture…
May 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
@Maggs: I don’t get that ’stache either. Marvin Williams has one, too.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
@Chuck: There is no way. Best case scenario: The Magic trade his rights for a dime. Or Kelvin Cato.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
@fetch. How did Kansas end up doing this year? They came down here to play Arkansas in Feb. and I think I remember it being a decent game, despite the weather being cold as hell. Are they looking at getting into a regional?
May 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Mags…don’t mock Melo’s Buckstache.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
@chuck- he wants to join the MAgic this upcoming season. Man i totally forgot about that dude. i think we wasted a 11th pick on him. JJ Redick was a waste as well
May 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
@Ark: no they’re pretty bad. Actually one year they won the Big 12 Tourney, and beat Max Scherzer to do it but right now they’re a game out of even qualifying for the Big 12 tourney.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
LaLa has a better stache then Melo.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Melo has a 70’s era porn star stache.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
if we are talking college baseball here, You need to talk about the U. thats right, the best team in the country
May 20th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
A little late, but @ Nick P.
We fucked up a Free Agency signing? Imagine that. Somehow we made Jerry West dumb enough to suck at the draft and sign Darko and Brian Cardinal to muti-year deals… it’s fucking uncanny.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
College baseball polls and their #1 Teams:
USAToday: North Carolina
Baseball America: North Carolina
Collegiate Baseball: North Carolina
May 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Yeah man. I think Gasol-Miller-Gay plus Varejao/Conley = Playoff team.
Assuming health, of course.
Darko sucked forever and still sucks. Varejao was nasty last year.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Fran Vasquez update: halfway down the page.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
College baseball polls and their #1 Teams:USAToday: North Carolina
Baseball America: North Carolina
Collegiate Baseball: North Carolina
niche sport talk at oprah.com
May 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Fetch, they’re obviously just discriminating against The U. No one can do it like The U. The U is better than your school.
/except that it’s in Miami
//and, uh, pretty bad at winning things of late
May 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Nick the next thing I had typed was to see if anyone else was excited for the lacrosse semis. Guess I know your answer.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
bucks still in it?
fuck it, still dont care.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
@ Reggie Nelson: To be fair I think Miami is better than Carolina, but I don’t think either of them will win it.
West Coast college baseball > East Coast college baseball
May 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
your right Fetch, UNC is good
May 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Do you pronounce it “nitch” or “neesh”
May 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
threadjack
Matt Ryan became the second top draft choice to sign when he accepted a six-year, $72 million contract that included $34.75 million in guarantees. Less than a week before the draft, tackle Jake Long signed a five-year, $57.75 million deal with the Miami Dolphins.
/threadjack
Long got hosed on his deal
May 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
I was just in Miami for the UNC/U series. For some reason, neither team could pitch (and UNC leads the nation in ERA). Yonder hit one 4 levels up in the parking garage past right field, just a moonshot.
UNC is good, but i don’t know if they will be able to beat this Miami lineup to Omaha.
and yes Irish, as a fellow cane, it is all about the U in baseball. Lets get one for the thumb baby.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
The latter. Hef says it makes you sound smarter that way.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
@Fetch: Amen.
@Dr: But Jake Long might get the first copy of Guitar Hero IV!
May 20th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
I don’t know what possesed the makers of GH to make an Aerosmith only game. That’s like making an NBA game with you only having a chance to play as the Bobcats.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
the falcons overpaid.
nfl needs a rookie salary cap bad.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
@fetch. The big 12 is tough as always though, I can see where it would be tough for a team like KU to make a move. Arkansas played A&M, Nebraska twice and KU and went 2-2. We didn’t make the SEC tourney but still hoping for a regional bid.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
@Fetch: That Miami lineup is scary, but it should be interesting to see how they do against the pitching staff of a team like San Diego that is just STACKED. Same with Irvine.
However, you can’t beat the baseball in the south; its just on another plane, atmosphere-wise.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Oden-Superman will indeed be fun.
im sure oden will be 7-1, 275 by then.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
DR. C,
10 5 QBs always get more money in their contracts than other positions, but it’s also more based on incentives, and thus it’s money Ryan won’t actually earn.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
10=Top when a dumbass is typing.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Big East Tourney update: top of the 6th, 8th seed Villanova 10, #1 Seed St. John’s 0. So much for a college baseball regional in Queens. This team looks BAD.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
@jb49ers: I agree, the NFL really needs a rookie salary cap structure. As a falcons fan I hope it happens soon, since we will be making top 5 draft picks for several years.
May 20th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Fran Vazquez:
May 20th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2008/05/magic-would-w-1.html
May 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
@ beard as a 49ers fan I submit to you Alex Smith.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
College baseball is only a “niche sport” in the minds of meaningless fools.
Few events are funner to attend than an SEC baseball game. And fewer events attract hotter women…that alone takes it out of the “niche sport” category.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
@ Ark: Yeah it’s true the Big 12 is a great conference. People think it’s really down because Texas isn’t very good but ther are some teams like Ok State who are up and coming, it’s just tough for a North team to compete year after year unless you’re Nebraska.
@Chuck E. Carr: USD is actually my national title pick, or possibly Arizona St. if they get some pitching.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
This draft is deep? Really? This is the same draft where Brook Lopez is a lottery pick, right?