Guest Post: Dan LeBatard
Media Gossip/Musings May 14th. 2008, 12:40pm
Real special treat today, kids: We convinced Miami Herald columnist Dan LeBatard – who recently began a one-year hiatus from the paper – to take a whack at a blog post. We told him no topic was out of bounds, and that whatever he wrote, we’d run. Completely unedited. His hiatus from the paper (no more chats, darn!) and ESPN the Magazine (even though he’ll still be hosting his radio show) means that the readers lose, and that’s never a good thing. We have added a few links to some of his topics in the event you have no idea what he’s talking about. Before you dig into this captivating read, a primer: Kanye West, Buzz Bissinger, Ricky Davis changing, blogs, Chris Berman, booze, arrogance, the f-word, ESPN, and Kimbo Slice. LeBatard’s words after the jump.
I walked out on a Kanye West concert the other day. I like Kanye’s music and lyrics and style. I wanted him to be good. I was told he put on the best show in hip-hop. But it was perfectly dreadful. No dancers. No choreography. No hype man. Nothing on stage but Kanye and his ego. Just him jumping around while making mumbling love to a microphone. I would have settled for a sparkler, a pinwheel or that Asian kid in Boogie Nights who threw firecrackers around the living room. Bono and Bruce don’t think they can do it alone. Who does this clown think he is, anyway?
But the swaying kids in a sold-out arena seemed to love Kanye, and he got great reviews. And as I left six songs into a concert I had been rooting for, you know what swept over me?
Holy shit, I’m getting old.
Which brings me to what I see happening in the mainstream media today.
It requires some introspection on our part that doesn’t feel very good.
Older people run the media. Old media. But younger people are starting to crave something different, clearly. Young media. And things like blogs are filling that generation gap — sometimes responsibly, sometimes not, sometimes clumsily and sometimes not. But usually not with journalism’s sensibilities or rules. Sensibilities and rules built by, you know, Old Media.
How do you think we’re going to react when we see you disrespecting what we love? We’re going to react sometimes, as Buzz Bissinger unfortunately did, by opening the front door to our beloved house when you throw the football in our garden and yelling, “Hey, you fucking kids, get the fuck off my property!” We’re going to appear angry, unhinged, unreasonable, irrational and lacking self-awareness when we do it. Or passionate, depending on your perspective. But then we’re going to slam the front door, slump to the ground behind it and start crying. And, later, you are going to laugh at us and pelt our house with rocks and eggs and garbage. Eventually, you will win. We will die.
I don’t dare speak for everyone, and this may not even be true or right, but this is what I keep seeing in the mainstream media from my vantage point: We’re afraid, man. For us and for you. Our beloved little turf — the one where we’ve poured so much of our self-worth — has been invaded by an army of Perez Hiltons with very few journalism rules and ethics and a scrapbook full of secret pictures of beer-bong-wielding, hot-tub-soaking Matt Leinart. Not all of you, obviously. Maybe not even most of you. But enough of you to stain your entire world the same way some sportswriters stain mine. So we tell you that you can’t and shouldn’t put up photos of a football player who might be gay or photos of Charles Barkley’s daughter kissing other girls in a club or Star-Jones-Dwyane-Wade even as you get rewarded for doing it — because the TMZ-ization of journalism is what people, young and old, seem to want these days more than literature.
(I know. I know. You aren’t Shakespeare, LeBatard. What you do isn’t literature. What you do is stand next to the locker of Ricky Davis as he dresses. But you know what I mean.)
Some of us realize that we sound like your parents when we are admonishing you, and some of us don’t. But that’s what Bissinger was yelling about — his message calling for more compassion and less cruelty, a pretty laudable message when it isn’t delivered with cruelty and without compassion. But, rest assured, Bissinger was giving voice — too loud and too angrily — to a lot of people in Old Media. But anger, as it often is, was a mask for his insecurity. And ours. Didn’t help that he was uninformed while generalizing. There are a lot of blogs out there doing a consistently better and more entertaining job than you’ll find in the mainstream.
We should all probably realize that sports have never been healthier — more interest, more money, more eyeballs — and that there is plenty of room for all of us at this trough. Blogs aren’t our ruination. They’re our evolution and revolution. They’re Next, as the kids might say if the kids were talking in the voice of a 39-year-old dorky sporstwriter trying to guess what the kids might say. But the blogs are, for obvious reasons, met with the same uneasiness that greeted the printing press once upon a time. In some ways, The Media has become The Government it was meant to police.
The sports media badly needs a watchdog, and blogs have become it in sports. Sportswriters have always felt very comfortable on our pedestals, judging the athletes, even though there is an inherent unfairness in old, white people applying their sensibilities to games populated by young, black ones. But now the judges are being judged, finally. And we don’t like it so much. It is uncomfortable. We prefer holding the spotlight to being scalded by it, as Chris Berman would tell you after his televised rants went viral. I might like a photo of shirtless Jimmy Johnson dancing with a beer, but I don’t want to see the same kind of photo of myself here. (Neither do you, actually.) It would embarrass me, and you would laugh and mock, and that’s probably some of the cruelty Bissinger was objecting to so loudly. We don’t want you to be the judges. We want to be the judges. Pretty convenient on our part.
And this feeds a fear, too: Old Media is aging, and our beloved newspapers are dying, and we don’t seem to know what is cool any more. Did Kanye stink or am I fossilizing? Do blogs stink or are newspapers antiquated? The answers to those questions can’t be absolute. You can’t generalize about things this subjective and case-by-case specific. But it is certainly easier for us to shout at you angrily than it is to stare at our wrinkles in the mirror and confront our mortality. We are not right, and you are not wrong. But we are not wrong, and you are not right, either. It is just a different set of sensibilities. You can learn from newspapers. And we can learn from you.
I wasn’t wrong for leaving that Kanye concert while 11,000 other people danced and sang and stayed. I’m not wrong for hating American Idol, either. Our tastes are just different. The problems start when I presume that my way is the way, which is an attitude you see too much in a sanctimonious mainstream media. Then I am no different than Kanye — standing alone on a stage built upon my own arrogance and pomposity.
But you know what happens when old people try to figure out what young people want and can’t? “Who’s Now?” happens. Or we just become entrenched and stubborn and resistant to change, the way newspapers have been for years, and we continue to cover hockey and write games stories the way we always have instead of covering the mixed-martial arts and even pro wrestling the way we should. We are older people telling younger people what they should like and then acting surprised when you mock it or rebel against it. Newspapers aren’t giving you what you want. We are telling you what you should want, and you are doing an exceptional job of ignoring us.
The marketplace has spoken, and the marketplace always wins in business. As People Magazine and Us Magazine and In Touch Magazine and In Style and their ilk continue to proliferate and grow gossip at a time when no one is allegedly reading, newspapers don’t evolve and get left behind while sticking stubbornly to principles that today’s readers don’t want or care about. The need to keep up with changing tastes and sensibilities makes The New York Daily News climb into Clemens’ bedroom while The New York Times refuses to write anything about his infidelities. Who is correct there? The newspaper taking the high ground? Or the one sinking into the sewage to sell you what you want? The Times is one of, what, three newspapers in America that can literally afford to live on the high ground while the rest of us drown?
ESPN, run by old newspaper people and trafficking on the credibility of newspapers, ignored the Clemens personal stuff until it couldn’t be ignored anymore. Then the 6 p.m. SportsCenter led with country-music singer speaks for the first time! Leinart photos first appeared on a blog and traveled like a whispered secret on the Internet. Then a newspaper columnist wrote about it, validating the story. Only then were they on ESPN. Jose Canseco-hating-A-Rod was broken by some guy who just happened to see Canseco’s book put out early in a bookstore. Kimbo Slice, headlining on CBS this month, is unlike any athlete ever — a complete and total Internet creation. You see where this is headed, right? The sports fan is starting to cover sports with us, invading our turf without going to journalism school or sweating on a beat. We can embrace that. Or we can fight against it and lose.
Blogs pop out of the ground and get popular all the time now. Newspapers can’t and don’t.
Besides, for all the access we have, Old Media sometimes doesn’t do as much with it as we could. Baseball, as one example, seems to be covered better and more accurately underground, in the mathematical community, than it is anywhere in American newspapers. It is staggering how much more people without access sometimes can know than people with access. So sometimes the guy on his couch is smarter than the guy in the press box, and the fan should have both options and be discerning.
That’s not a bad thing. I don’t get to decide what’s good for you. You get to decide.
But I can still worry about the choices you make.
Love,
Dad
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May 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Oh wow, this is a treat, but I still want Baskin Robbins!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
TBL I think you found your new intern. Seriously though that was awesome.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Don’t worry. Kanye does in fact suck.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Dan, did you get a contact high standing at Ricky Davis’ locker?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
But, can you (Le Batard or TBL) land a Jerry O’Connell Interview?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
That was great
May 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
cool post, I hope ESPN doesn’t ‘punish’ you for your post, they don’t seem to take too kindly to appearances on TBL
May 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Cortes must be masterbating to this post. When he’s done reading…
BAM!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Holy crap that was awesome! He said shit! And Kanye! And West! And then he signed it! Like a letter! This guy knows his tubes!
OK. So I didn’t read it. I don’t come here to read Dan LeBatard. See if he wants to be in Lozoball in 2009.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome
May 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
i would argue MMA has gotten more love from espn the last two years than hockey. and wrestling isnt a sport.
and kanye is awful, its not you dan.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
i dig it
May 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
ESPN does a half-ass job of covering MMA. I NEVER go to ESPN to read up on MMA.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
TBL, do you pay 1 chinese lady for marriage for every 100 words?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
What?! Please, please tell me I’m misinterpreting that sentence.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I liked it. Good score TBL.
BTW, he’s dead on with what he said about baseball coverage in that final paragraph. I’m sure you all knew that though.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
fantastic post. thanks.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I still don’t see how covering Roger Clemens is “giving us what we want.” I want none of it. The people who want it are the people who shouldn’t be watching ESPN in the first place. They’re not sports fans. And I’m tired of them being sucked up to while real sports fans have nowhere else on television to turn to.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Mayonnaise color Benz…I push miracle whips
Great post Lebatard. Cant wait for the U post
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
And I joke, but This was an awesome post. Kudos to both Dan and TBL for doing this.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
excellent
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Lozo sign me up for Lozoball 09.
clown, how much do you guys pay TBL for all the links he’s given you in your blog’s short lifespan?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Perfectly said Mr. LeBatard!
Sometimes MSM is the bitter old man on the lawn yelling at us, but sometimes we’re the douchebaggy 16 year old yelling at our parents because we ‘have it all figured out and we don’t need your outdated ways, old man’.
Now that we understand each other a little better, can we get a bigger allowance please?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Now see, if Buzz had come off as well as this post it wouldn’t have been so bad, he’d still be a prick though. Perfectly stated perspective of what is happening right now. Thanks Dan.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Dan — that was fantastical, on this glorious day for TBL. Thanks for contributing to our little corner of the world. Good to have ya. Ya seem like a good guy to share a pitcher and plate of hot wings with.
I have to agree with you — blogs are an exciting extension of athletics today. Sports blogs help fuel the interest in sports. People will never stop watching games on TV or in person.
I read this blog many times daily and I will still do the following this month: watch MLB Extra Innings nightly at home, attend minor league and major league baseball games, see the NBA playoffs on TV, watch ESPN News and read several sports sites.
However, newspapers need to continue building strong Web sites and have beat writers and columnists blog more often; and editors need to post more multimedia content. Newspapers can survive and thrive long term by adapting to new mediums.
Love,
Son
May 14th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Amazing, TBL. LeBatard is a great writer and I’m gonna miss the hell out of him.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
All of a sudden long posts are cool? I must be getting old.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Great post. I would, however, argue that a major part of the “old media” demise is due to the percieved bias that has crept into the news. When legitimate media stop covering the news and start telling you what to think, readers are smart enough to call bullshit and look elsewhere for information.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
+1
May 14th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I loved this post so much, that I didn’t even alt+Tab when my boss walked by as I was reading this.
LeBatard is awesome.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Great post.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
@TBL – what gives, couple great gets in the last couple weeks? It’s like watching your kid grow up. The last two years I’ve been coming here reading, commenting here and there a little, and the transformation of this site has been amazing. Keep up the good work.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Never heard of him.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
/joke stolen from CRM
May 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
And this deserves a giant +1
May 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I always thought “drinking with sammy” was little more than a player apologist who happened to have a column in the miami herald and a radio vehicle, mocing us bottom feeders from an ivory tower.
i have new respect for him now.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
@ Happy: to be fair, it never gets old
May 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
anyone who uses the phrase ‘great gets’ or any variation there of is a douchebag
May 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
This is nice and all, but what does he think about American Gladiators?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Great stuff.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Entertainment places should cover wrestling, as stated it above it isn’t a sport and doesn’t need to be in the sports pages, unless an athlete like Floyd Mayweather get’s involved.
Also, saw Kanye on Saturday, think he is great, can’t stand hype man, I don’t need someone up there singing all the lyrics for the supposed star or constantly repeating, can do without dancers as well.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Too many words.
Seriously, though, can’t we all get along?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
can’t stand hype man, I don’t need someone up there singing all the lyrics for the supposed star or constantly repeating, can do without dancers as well.
5 temptations. 1 mic.
/god bless Steve Harvey for doing that bit where everyone could see it.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Jesus can you and Beezelbub get along?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
What do YOU think of American Gladiators?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I think American Gladiators and it’s lousy season premiere ratings is about to become obsolete.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
He is going to be missed for the next year. Hopefully he will give us more of this type of anger, hilarity, and insights on a monthly basis through some sort of media. If he writes nothing in the next year, we will be the ones who suffer. Great blog by Dan.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Really good. LeBatard throws a lot out there that makes sense. I also like his last paragraph. I think it is assumed because the sportswriter has the ability to write and gather information than that person has knowledge of the sport. It could not be further from the truth. Not only have baseball bloggers progressed knowledge, I think the most intelligent basketball discussion and information comes from blogs as well. Football is a little lacking, in my opinion in that department, but a lot of the nuances of football are never talked about either by the MSM or the new media. I feel some of that is because while football looks simple it is more complex than any of the other sports to discuss.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Great post, but let me make one point… I don’t read blogs as a replacement for a newspaper “experience.” I come to this site because I generally enjoy TBL’s opinions, and I like the banter with the commenters. I don’t think newspapers are on the same playing field as blogs, so I think it’s silly for the Old Timers to get so bent out of shape over the popularity of blogs.
I haven’t purchased a newspaper in forever only because I can go online and read the same story on the paper’s website. I’m in front of a computer 8-10 hours a day, why would I go out and buy a newspaper when I can better, up-to-date in a matter of seconds?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I guess we’ll know what’s up if a commentor named Lan DeBatard appears over the next year.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
sportsgal…your last point is where the problem is…they have yet found a way to capitalize on the Internet revenue and if they charge they are not going to get read..that’s why the Times website was hurting for years before they released free content
May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Simply awesome.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
+1. I only buy papers once a week on Sunday. Most of my paper reading is online.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
That’s why I love Dan Lebatard – perfectly concise and accurate point in two sentences (of course, within a gazillion word post, but whatever). Great writer, his chats are hilarious, and he’s soooo funny on PTI. Good job Dan!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
That’s Cosmo. [whispering] He’s Chinese.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Did you realize that the referee in American Gladiators is the same referee from Dodgeball?
/Showing myself out
May 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Holy shit, that was good.
Thanks, Dad.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
THE HATEABLE dan lebatard…that cracks me up every time.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
If he thinks that blogs are taking over, that things are too cruel or whatever…then why is he leaving the paper?
Guys like this that bitch and moan about the things but then their own actions add to it, are funny. I am a couple years older than LeBatard and I feel old at times too. But I do not complain about talk radio while calling in, I do not complain about the lack of newspaper readers while canceling my subscription.
Dan – If you want newspapers to be loved by young and old alike, then keep writing and give us something to love. If you want blogs to be good and thoughtful, then make it happen. This is a start.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Great post Dan. It isn’t just blogs though, mainstream, non-sports related media has gotten out of hand. And that includes the major players, CNN, Fox, etc.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I’m going to have to print this out and buy a stamp so I can send it to my father.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
a newspaper is 90 per cent bullshit, but it’s entertaining. That’s why I subscribe to my local newspaper.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I only get the Sunday paper. I actually have my wife take out the couple sections I read so that I don’t have to sift through all the bullshit.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
lol at gonzo. Internet was broken at school so I had to read it on the iPhone. Great stuff by my boy lebby
May 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Good stuff. Newspapers should take a good hard look at how the music industry reacted to new media since 2000 and ask themselves whether they should adapt to the way “the kids” are doing it or fight it.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Great post.
But Dan forgot the biggest news story that ESPN seemed to ignore.
The PacMan Jones incident during NBA all-star weekend.
I dont recall exactly how long it took. But it was 2-3 days before the story was on ESPN.com despite being all over the internet.
why? not because ESPN was trying to tell us what was important and not important. But rather, it was ignored because ESPN is in bed with both the NFL and the NBA. it was a business decision. not a news decision.
Journalists must avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety as well as any conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict. — from the American Society of Newspaper Editors Code of Ethics
Journalists should avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived, remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility, disclose unavoidable conflicts… deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage. — from the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics
This is not limited to ESPN. We see this all the time in sports and with the mainstream media. How many teams have sponsorship agreements with a local newspaper? Every single one? How many of those papers are going to give me a truly unbiased view of my favorite team?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
If Tyler Hansbrough were black and Michael Beasley were white……..
May 14th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
suey.
I like how, when given the chance, Dan worked blue. Damn bloggers.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
….then we’re going to slam the front door, slump to the ground behind it and start crying. And, later, you are going to laugh at us and pelt our house with rocks and eggs and garbage. Eventually, you will win. We will die.
Well, that was cheery.
In all seriousness, though, I appreciated this — even if I don’t quite know what to call it. If blogs speak truth to power, what does a respected mainstreamer speak to blogs?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Loved the post and agree.
But one thing that seems to stick out in the craws of the MSM guys everytime they talk about blogs is the gossipy stuff and the Leinart pictures.
Not sure if this is a valid observation or not, but here goes:
Are MSM’ers truly upset at the “cruelty” that the gossip stuff may (or may not) represent or are they upset that others are in on the little inside personal tidbits about these ahtletes that used to be in the clubby domain of the media to know?
For example, Mickey Mantle was a total and utter alcoholic and serial debaucher, yet that was only whispered about amongst media types in the 60s and 70s. It wasn’t until Jim Bouton that regular folks knew this stuff. And Bouton caught a ton of hell for his observations.
I mean, can you imagine if digital photography existed in Babe Ruth’s era? Who is really to blame for the Leinart pictures? The bloggers that posted them or Leinart for befriending people who are fast and loose with their digital albums? I don’t know the answer, I’m just asking.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Liking a team isn’t necessarily the problem. Speaking from (limited) experience, I’m harder on teams I like because I watch them everyday. Same can be said for guys like spence, nick, and romanwarhelmet. Wanting a team to suceed is problematic but it’s not the final word on coverage.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Also, Professor it it right on the head. The Pacman story was a HUGE swing-and-a-miss.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Dan are you a commenter? If you are I encourage you to start a rap war via commenter posts. Double dare you. Faster stronger.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Great Post, but why at 37 do I feel I am more youth getting the new media but at 39 Dan is a old man crying about the demise of old media? Guess that two years makes a huge difference.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Except when they are smearing John McCain.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Well done, Dan…you will be missed. SUEY!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
One of the fairest and clearest analyses of the old-new issue that I’ve read from someone on the “other side.” Thanks Dan for being honest.
+1, to the Prof though for finding those quotes.
The real trouble is that to turn blogging into a career, we’re likely to see more bloggers making those same kinds of deals. Sports is, in some ways, a niche community, and there’s only so many dollars going around. So making a career out of writing about sports, without that journalistic effort being tainted at some point along the way is always going to be a struggle. I’m not saying that some folks aren’t doing it, or that it can’t be done, it’s just a lot easier and more profitable to go the ESPN route (which is something that high-profile newspaper folks have been learning for a decade now).
May 14th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Did you guys see this post that shows that democrats are baby rapists?
/purduematt
May 14th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
If it were up to just Me, absolutely. Unfortunately, something has some issues it needs to work out before We can talk.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
@ johndewar
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! +1 for you sir. How many times have you heard a crusty old sportswriter on the radio wax nostalgic about some inside the clubhouse story because they knew something you didn’t. If everyone knows the inside scoop, the sportswriter isn’t that special anymore.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
you not wrong for hating american idol just…ya know..straight
May 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I think this is rediculous and stupid.
/Jay Bilas
May 14th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
@hef
If you need a post to tell you Dems are baby rapists, then you must not be a father yet!
/purduematt
May 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I’m not Dan, but come on – it all begins and ends with Eric B. and Rakim. Everything before is childish and everything after is imitation.
Okay, I’ll give you the Pharcyde, but that’s it.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
@august: that’s my favorite arguement: wait till you have kids…
May 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
@Jesus
Rakim once wrote that he was born with three 7’s on his head. Is that not sacreligous?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I cant wait for Tony K’s blog and Buzz B’s blog.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
now let’s all gather in a circle with the MSM and sing Kumbaya…
May 14th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Very nice.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Good call. The day I got my first computer, I stopped buying newspapers, except on special occasions(the Cards’ WS championship, for example).
And TBL; great ge.., er, well done. And Dan, say hi to Ricky next time you see him, mmkay? Thx.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
The curse of PTI. Reali is next.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Good post! Loved the part at the end about baseball writers.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Rumors of MSMs impending death have been greatly exagerated…
the other point about this topic that bothers me is the perception that Blogs will replace OR are trying to replace Mainstream Media
In fact, we are talking about two very different mediums.
MSM=Primary Source
Blogs/New Age Media/Whatever=Secondary Source
In other words, MSM generates the news. Blogs, react to it. There are always exception to the rule. TBL will occasionally break a story, or do an interview, but 99% of the posts on this site are a reaction to something written/aired in MSM. the grey area is when a Deadspin or TBL take a story from an obscure source and give it a bigger audience at which point MSM may pick up the story. But still, TBL/Deadspin needed the original source to “break” the story.
MSM and Blogs may be competing for eyes, but this New Age Media is dependent on the MSM and would die if MSM died.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Good stuff.
I would have to be considered Old School, though. I like to mix my blog reading with the newspaper, to which I actually subscribe. I look at the two mediums as complimentary, not always competitive. If I want pics of an athlete at the bar with hot chicks, I check the blog. If I want some inside analysis on a team, I’ll pick up my newspaper and read the writer’s notes or opinion column.
IMO, blogs and newspapers are not mutually exclusive.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Disclosure: The Professor and I are not the same person.
You and I were writing at the same time, Prof, and definitely share the same thoughts.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
@Magglio Merkin:
It just means Rakim is triple lucky. Now, if it were three sixes, We may have a problem. But his flow is just so “dope” (again, help an old man out – do the kids still say that?) that I would have to give Rakim a pass. And there was no better DJ than Eric B. After all, he ran for PResident.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Does this mean that LeBatard will be a commenter on this site more often?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Agree with this sentiment, but i think 99% is far too high if you’re counting JUST newspapers. If you want to include TV, that’s another story.
Let’s take Tuesday. Excluding Top Shelf and Yardwork, plus both roundups: Four items were newspaper based. Seven weren’t (LeBron video, Erin Andrews, Jerry O Connell, Author post, BCS analysis, baseball big spending, KG vanishing act).
May 14th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Jesus does this alllll the time.
Seriously though, thanks for stopping by Dan, feel free to make up a ridiculous screen name and troll these interwebs with us now that you’ve got all this free time on your hands. Great read, good stuff TBL.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I as including TV (ie. ESPN) as part of the MSM.
But that is fair. 99% might be high. But it is still the backbone of what is done here. And I am in no way saying that is a bad thing. In fact I love it (and so do a lot of people). There is almost TOO MUCH coverage nowadays and sites like this do a nice job of filtering out the garbage…not too mention, sites like this get to the point a heck of a lot quicker and with all the news, that is important.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I don’t own a TV.
/half of the assholes I went to grad school with
May 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
@the professor – I think we both made the same point re: blogs and newspapers. I don’t think blogs take away subscribers from newspapers or listeners from sports radio.
I think people who read sports blogs ALSO read the sports section and listen to sports radio on occasion. For me, it’s mostly a matter of convenience and time. Plus, what newspaper can say they get to hear commentary from Jesus?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
@Dan
Great read and yes Kanye blows.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
dumb@$$ should’ve went to a tech n9ne concert. i went to see tech, big krizz kaliko and cutt kalhoun on april 25, worth every freaking dollar. and you know i can’t stand gangsta rap.
great post other than that.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
It annoys me to no end when people say I don’t watch TV and act like they are better because of it.
Oh I am so busy and my life is so enriched I don’t have time to do that, give me a break.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Funny guy. You’re on My list.
It’s not a “My way or the highway” program. It’s merely a nifty Ten-Step program that We think will lead to a happy and productive life.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
One of the largest problems (yet least talked about) that newspaper people are confronted with is how to integrate advertising into new media. Dwindling circulations have in many cases negated advertising effectiveness. Newspapers have to find a way to incorporate their advertisers onto their website in such a way that companies feel they’re getting bang for their buck. What’s the internet equivalent to a large Sunday pullout ad?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
And ESPN is not covering MMA nearly as much as hockey at this point. Unfortunately for the MMA haters, that day is coming though. The PPV buyrates and overall popularity of the sports is making it impossible to ignore. I’d say in the not-to-distant future, you’ll see someone like Bas Rutten coming on and breaking down fights similar to what Melrose does with Hockey.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Excellent read, but TBL Dan’s gonna be pissed when he sees that you deleted the last line where he explains that all of these problems are Nick Saban’s fault.
Great read. You outdid yourself with this coup.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Can i get a judges ruling on whether or not Dr. Dre and Snoop are gangsta rap? What about Jay Z?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
jay z is hip-hop so no. Dre and Snoop probably are gangsta rap.
/my opinion
May 14th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
LeBatard is French for The Batard. Yeah I really got nothing.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Way to go Danny-boy! Great post!
May 14th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
TBL…Dr. Dre and Snoop Dog are to gangsta Rap…as Metallica and Guns and Roses are to Heavy Metal…yes both are awesome and have credibility but they are the mainstream versions of both genres
May 14th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
agree with RomanWarHelmet
May 14th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Every time a newspaper guy takes a buyout or sabbatical Mike Greenberg hosts another SportsCenter.
/George Bailey
May 14th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
I am way too pasty to make a ruling on this one
May 14th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Was never much for MSR (Mainstream rap), I enjoyed the seedy unerground world of Chicago (Do or Die, Crucial Conflict, Twista (oldschool version). Midwest rap was very, every underrated in its day
May 14th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Awesome stuff. Thanks Dan.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I’m late to the game here…BUT…that was the biggest piece of drivel ever posted on TBL. I can’t believe that the minions are kissing up…LeBetard’s post was beyond awful. Good gawd, I am reeling.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
dr. dre and snoop WERE gangsta rap now they are hip hop. gangsta rap kinda died after b.i.g was killed. but however for cursedcleveland.com i gotta a few words for you to remember if you know who crucial conflict is…smokin on hay haaaay in the middle of the barrrrn. and im from central illinois.