When Are the Cavs Going to Get Help for LeBron?
NBA May 19th. 2008, 11:30am
He chose his words carefully in the post-game presser last night in Boston: “What we have is very good, but we know we need to get better. Teams around us continue to get better (he rattled off the Celtics, Lakers, Hornets and Magic).” If Cavs brass wasn’t listening, and doesn’t take heed in the offseason, there’s absolutely no reason LeBron shouldn’t walk when he gets a chance in 2010.
We’ve been over this a dozen times, and at the risk of getting it started again: LeBron’s the best player in the league. His combination of skill, size (6-foot-8, 245 pounds), strength and speed is unparalleled in the NBA – the only other basketball player we can think of with a similar makeup was Magic Johnson, the 6-9 point guard. But watching LeBron’s supporting cast yesterday was just embarrassing. We challenge anyone to find a Cavs starter who would start on the following teams: Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Pistons, Jazz and Suns. (A case could be made for Z over Perkins and McDyess, we suppose.) So what can the Cavs do to improve the team?
* 2008 Free Agents: Looking at this list, there are a few players who could opt-out and test the market: Elton Brand of the Clippers, Jermaine O’Neal of the Pacers, and Shawn Marion of the Heat. Problem is, all of them are making serious bank this season, and what type of guys misses out on a $15 million salary for one season to sign for less? Not to mention Brand is coming off an injury, and O’Neal has struggled to stay healthy the last few seasons.
* Josh Smith is a restricted free agent and do you really think the Hawks will let this budding star go?
* Antwan Jamison is going to be 32. He’d be an upgrade over Wally from the perimeter, that’s for sure, but he’s an offense-only type of player, plus a bit of a tweener. Has the guy ever won anything?
* Chris Wilcox. You know we love him, and he’s in the final year of his contract in Seattle. If the Sonics land the No. 1 pick, and they want Michael Beasley, Wilcox quickly becomes expendable, right?
* Zach Randolph? Everyone thinks the Knicks will shake things up under D’Antoni; but would they unload their best and only low-post presence?
* The 2008 Draft. With the 19th pick, you’d have to think the Cavs would either take a chance on a large, defensive presence since Joe Smith, Ben Wallace and Z are all over 30 and on the slide down, or somebody who can score immediately, and not pull a Jason Kapono (which is to come in, do jack shit for a year, and then find your jumper in Miami): Darrell Arthur of Kansas looks like a pretty polished inside scorer, but he might be a lottery pick; what about JaVale McGee of Nevada, an athletic 7-footer?; we love Brandon Rush in a Scottie Pippen-type role (minus the defense), and there’s always Chris Douglas-Roberts of Memphis, who looked awful good against Rush head-to-head in the Final Four. A sleeper? USC’s Davon Jefferson is a nasty player who is still somewhat raw, but teeming with potential. But will any of these guys help the Cavs win a title next year? LeBron turns 24 in Decemeber, which would still give him plenty of time to match Jordan’s six. And yes, we think that’s entirely possible.
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May 19th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Ummm, Baron Davis!
May 19th, 2008 at 11:36 am
If LeBron gets six rings, I will eat my headband.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
LeBron will not get six rings…………….. in Clebeland.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
If LeBron is in Cleveland in 3 years, I’ll eat a small wild animal, raw.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:41 am
cavs have a ton of expiring deals…and that with draft picks can land a good player like Michael Redd, who the bucks want to get rid of.
but yea…he’s gone, and im afraid so will the cavs if he leaves.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
i dont see them doing another big trade. The only help they will get is through the draft.
Rush isnt a good fit imo. Maybe the other Lopez brother
May 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
This is what I think the Hawks will do, not what I want them to do!!!
I think the Hawks would be more willing to give up Josh Smith than one might think. I think they’ll try harder to keep Josh Childress. Once they get a true center (Horford is not a true center), Horford will slide to 4, Childress would work well in the 3 (or Marvin Williams, although I’m getting tired of waiting on him to perform), and then Johnson and Bibby at guard.
Smith has shown an unwillingness to listen to coaching when they tell him to quit shooting threes and to spend more time working on his low-post game rather than shooting 15-foot jumpers (which he’s horrible at). Also, if the Hawks decide to keep Mike Woodson (I hope they don’t) he and Smith have had many on-court disagreements in the past. That doesn’t bode well for Smith staying a Hawk. I’m not necessarily in favor of it. I think he has tons of potential, and as I’ve said on here before, I think he could be a whale of a player if he had better coaches, so I hope they keep him and lose Woodson. But with the Hawks, you never know.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Just tossing Iguodala’s name out there…
May 19th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I disagree with people who want a dominant point guard (or Baron Davis). Guys like that need the ball in their hands every possession, and taking touches away from LeBron is not the answer.
It’s not easy to just “go get a guy”. The Celtics needed McHale to give away Garnett for pennies on the dollar, and the Lakers needed highway robbery to get Gasol. What was the old Parcells quote, there is no 1-800-GetAQB number to call.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Say NO to Zach Randolph. Brand would work great but for his injury. Marion would be an undersized 4 with LBJ on the floor. Jamison would work, but for his absent D.
Ideally, you got Z at the 5, LBJ at the 3 and Gibson/West splitting the 1. That means you need a PF and a SG. The draft might solve one of those problems — say if Kevin Love falls to #19. But they are going to have to look for help this offseason. LeBron has been carrying that team for 2 years straight.
And if he leaves in ‘11, no one can say he didn’t try.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:47 am
I think Brand or ONeill would be good fits, but they would both probably have to give up some $$ to come here, which isn’t likely to happen.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:47 am
spencer…the thing here is if the Cavs continue to waste LeBrons early years with a shitty coach and 1.5 role players..yes he’s gone…but you tell me if he wins a title there and he has a good team around him he will leave? No..LeBron is a big enough name to keep the spotlight hot in Cleveland…and I see that he is competitive enough to want to win..he won’t put himself in a shitty situation with the Knicks or Nets if he can win in Cleveland…I don’t know if playing close to home means anything to him but if it does he won’t go
May 19th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Zach Randolph!!!!!!! That team would be doomed to 30 wins.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:49 am
TBL loves players coming out of USC.
How is Nick Young working out?
May 19th, 2008 at 11:52 am
@roman i agree i dont think its a forgone conclusion to see him go to nets/knicks just because they are NY teams…he wants to win and if the cavs give him that opportunity he will stay
May 19th, 2008 at 11:52 am
TBL loves Lebron more than working on his guns
May 19th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Coming up next TBL challenges me for the right to give blumpkins to LeBron James. The difference being he actually wants to do it!
May 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
For a comparison, look at what’s happening to Chris Paul.
He’s got 3 great partners in David West, Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic. In the bench, Hilton Armstrong and Julian Wright are growing and will be major contributors in a few years. They play a system that fits his style. He gets to do what he wants with the ball. And they’ll be contending for a title for a good while.
That’s what Cleveland needs to do for LBJ. Find him talent that can play and get him closer to the ring.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
TBL loves Lebron more than working on his gunsThat’s unpossible!
We can’t really afford any of the “name” guys, so roll the dice on Nick Fazekas or James Jones.
James Jones would be perfect for the Cavs.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Bron can actually opt out in 2010. But more teams (Knicks and soon-to-be Brooklyn Nets) will have more money in 2011, and BK might be in the borough then.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:59 am
coop247 is exactly right. lebron does NOT need a point guard. chris douglas-roberts would be an awesome pick for them. he needs a swingman or a guy he can run the pick and roll with. the mike bibby rumors pissed me off so much this year. he wouldn’t bring anything to the table.
baron davis would be nice on paper, but cleveland would have to open up the floor and they just can’t do that with big Z out there. i’m convinced big Z is holding them back. they need to run with lebron, and they simply can’t with ilgauskas on the floor.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:59 am
O’Neill blows. Why bother on him?
Ultimately, Lebron needs a consistent inside scorer. Someone to take some pressure of of him, move the ball through, and open up good outside shooters (like Gibson). Elton Brand would be a great fit, if he is healthy. Just look at the Lakers with Gasol. They move the ball beautifully now, get consistent inside buckets, and have guys out on the three to knock down shots (Fisher, Vujajicjcijc, etc.). They have all the pieces for a championship (which is why I think they will win it).
I agree that I don’t think they need a big scoring PG like Baron Davis. A more serviceable true point guard who can take care of the ball would be more valuable (aka, not West based on Game 7).
May 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
i got a great partner for LeBron, Carlos Boozer! what? what’s the problem with that?
May 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
He’s got 3 great partners in David West, Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic. In the bench, Hilton Armstrong and Julian Wright are growing and will be major contributors in a few years.
no mention of Mo Pete?!? He is the epitome of a role player.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Boozer more or less destroying LeBron’s career in Cleveland seems to be a forgotten point when people keep complimenting him. Duke douchebag.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
And Hilton Armstrong blows.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Should’ve been an @TBL in my above.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
where’d you read that about the bucks?
I thought he had a fine rookie year. Nobody picked after him in the first round had a better rookie season (Williams?). It hurt that Roger Mason played so well, i didnt anticipate that.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
is it me, or did Carlos Boozer become a stud player after Jason Richardson threw the ball off his head in the sophs/rookie game?
May 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
good catch on 2010/2011
May 19th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
LeBron needs to take care of what he has control over; his game. He needs to pop in a tape of Carmelo or Kobe and study the value of having good footwork from any spot on the floor. He needs to establish a mid range game instead of the 3 or dunk game he has now which made it relatively easy for Boston to defend him for most of the series.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I think Lebron needs a new coach more than he needs a new team. I don’t see how Josh SMith or Iggy would help. In the system they play, Lebron needs guys that can hit a jump shot.
Elton Brand is…interesting.
By the way, it’s not like we’re talking about KG here. Lebron has got his team to the NBA Finals and the conference finals in back 2 back years. Not really anything to sneeze at.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
If Anderson Varejao counts as a starter, I would take hime before Hedo Turkoglu at the 4 for Orlando. Also, have read in the Orlando Sentinel that H-Turk could be trade bait with a small ($7 million) deal and stock never higher.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
The Bucks are not looking to get rid of Redd, and they certainly wouldn’t do it for Cleveland’s low draft picks and spare parts.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
You may be right that it would take more than what the Cavs have to offer, but they should definitely trade him to get something (not necessarily to the Cavs). He’ll be washed up by the time the next good Bucks team happens.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Darrell – problem is, they have teammates. Doesn’t matter where LeBron is on the floor when your mates can’t make shit
May 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Apparently the Cavs are going to make a strong move for Baron Davis in the offseason. Don’t know how they’ll get him though.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I don’t remember TBL asking last year if the Lakers were going to help Kobe
May 19th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Vujacic and Farmer are good shooters but to be honest I like West and Boobie just as much. West us just as good as Vujacic imo and Boobie better shooter, Farmar better defender.
Cleveland would do much better with a different offense that emphasized ball movement and getting players easy shots.
At the end of the game when shit gets tight LeBron can still get his own shot.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
They can have Josh Smith. Maybe the lowest basketball iq in the league. Dude is great if he’s driving and one guy is playing defense. But the dude has a terrible shot selection, turns the ball over a ton and has no idea where his teammates are or where the ball is when it’s not in his hands.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Lakers had Lamar Odom last year, who’s better than anything the Cavs currently have. Also it’s fair to say Bynum would continue his effective play in more minutes. (he was 8-6 last year on 55% shooting in just 21 minutes per game)
Cavs have nothing like that headed into next season.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I like Boobie as much as Vujacic and Farmar, but not West. Farmar is a much better PG than West imo, and is a great shooter. Also, Derek Fisher is better than all 4 of them.
To have a better offense that gets players easy shots, you need consistent inside scoring, otherwise, you have what the Cavs are now: A team full of dudes missing long jump shots.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
LeBron will never do what Ehlo did.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
They have E Show and Damon jones and Wally in final years of contracts. That is a ton of money to make a move if they choose. If they think Lebron is gone they can blow cap space that they will have and trade for O’neal and Dunleavy.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I think cleveland will be better if they get LBJ a pf and a sg and a new offense.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Kobe had Lamar Odom on the roster last year. He’s 47x better than anyone on the current Cavs roster
May 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Odom is good, but is he that much better than Big Z? Their stats are virtually identical. Actually, to answer my own question, I think this is where the stats are misleading. Odom is a much tougher match-up, and can get to the basket and create opportunities for his teammates. Z is basically a statue that can hit a 15 footer and grab an offensive rebound.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I would hate to see LeBron leave Cleveland for the reason that it would be unbearable to have him in New York, both from my perspective as a Sixer fan (don’t want/need him in the Atlantic) and having to listen to the New York media expound on him ad nauseaum.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
It would be great for LBJ to remain in Cleveland for his entire career. I hope he does because its great for the city and the nba. New York will always be New York with or without LeBron. Cleveland without LBJ is kinda like the Packers without Brett
May 19th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Odom is not a number 2 option.. he’s a solid three.. below average 2.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
put Lebron with Dwight Howard and its over for the rest of the NBA
/dreaming
May 19th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
irish: That would be amazing. The two most physically freakish guys in the NBA on the same team.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
The two most physically freakish guys in the NBA on the same team.Say whaaaa?
/Ira Newble
May 19th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Scottie Pippen minus the defense – what is the point?
May 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
FSB: What?
May 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Flying Sandos is talking about Brandon Rush being compared to Scottie Pippen. I see flyings point.
Cavs can have JJ Redick. Ferry is a Duke guy and Redick is demanding a trade
May 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
The biggest problem with the Cavs is Mike Brown. The only head coach worse than him is probably Mike Woodson. His offensive system is “give it to Lebron, everyone else stand on the baseline.” The Cavs supporting cast is not the best, but there is a reasonable collection of spot-up shooters and average big men, which should yield better results when coupled with an absurd talent like Lebron.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I don’t know what I’ll do if LeBron is taking three steps then jumpstopping and then taking another step toward the basket in some city other than Cleveland. It will be devastating.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Lebron should work on his own game. Did he not shoot 33% and average 6 TOs for the first six games of the series? His shitty game one cost his team the season. And I remember the “terrible” Wally going off for 20+ in a Cavs win this series. And clutch Gibson 3’s to save game 4.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I don’t like Mike Brown, but please give me the name of someone who is both currently available and would provide a significant upgrade….
I can’t think of one. He isn’t a great coach but I think he has improved over the past few years.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Lifelong, the biggest problem is Mike Brown? The Cavs just took the best team in the NBA (record wise) to a 7th game while LeBron couldn’t buy a jumper all series and turned it over as if he were Smush Parker, I’m pretty sure most teams without a legit number 2 scorer would have gotten swept easily in that scenario. Mike Brown’s defense made this a 50/50 series.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
@ coop247….
i seem to recall the knicks just signed d’antoni. i know the timing sucked because the cavs are still playing and whatnot, but that would have been a helluva catch for them. people always say d’antoni is all offense and will never win a title with that mentality. but come on, all the coaches in the world can’t teach nash and amare to play defense.
d’antoni would have done wonders with their transition game, obviously, but they would still be formidable defensively with lebron, big ben, z, joe smith, and varejao.
perhaps it’s better that cleveland is kind of sitting back and not making rash decisions. sometimes that is a better strategy than running out to get larry brown or overpay rashard lewis by $40 million. if they can keep lebron past this initial contract, the east will be his bitch between 2011-2020. he’ll only have to fight dwight howard for it.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Way to surround Lebron with anything Danny Ferry. And Mike Brown is overmatched as a head coach.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Again, what did Mike Brown’s team do that made them look overmatched against the 66-win Celtics? Especially considering that LeBron played the worst I’ve seen him play in two and half years, or the Spurs series.
May 19th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Don’t underestimate Rush’s D. I’m not saying he’s in Pippen’s category, but I think he’s one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Chalmers and Robinson got the most attention for their defense because of all their steals, but Rush really developed into a tough one-on-one defender.
I think the real drawback with Rush is actually his poor ballhandling. He’s a nice spot-up shoot, is good off screens, and can hit the one-dribble pull-up, but in the open court and driving into the lane he is terrible.
May 19th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
cursedcleveland.com: the Hawks also took the celtics to 7 games, doesn’t mean Mike Woodson is a good coach. It just means the celtics really suck on the road in the playoffs.
May 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Did the Hawks get a terrible effort from their star? I thought Joe Johnson played pretty well in that series.
May 19th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
He didn’t really play that great, cursed. He shot under 40% in 5 of the 7 games.
May 19th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
puppies
May 19th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
cursedcleveland: Also, another thing to consider is that maybe you got a “terrible effort” from your star because the offensively challenged head coach insists on running the same top of the key iso play literally every single time down the floor.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I agree that Mike Brown needs some offensive help, but a lot of that has to do with the structure of the team. You have three guys (Daniel Gibson, Wally, Damon Jones) that are all three point shooters… and that’s it. They don’t have the versatile players to move the ball and show teams different looks. That “terrible offense” got shooters all sorts of open looks against the Wizards (granted, they have “terrible defense.).
LeBron missed jumpers and shot miserably. The Celtics were daring him to shoot.. It would be ideal to say that the Cavaliers should have drawn up plays to get LeBron layups and dunks, but kind of a departure from reality, considering defenses are trying to prevent this from happening.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Were people complaining about Mike Brown’s offense when the Cavaliers won four-in-a-row against the Pistons? Or do I just tend to see this after losses? I’m noticing a pattern here.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Lebron will be a Brooklyn Net, so it’s all good.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
A coach would have Lebron catching the ball in the mid- or low-post every single possession. And yes that can happen. That leads to Lebron getting by his man, creating an open shot for someone else, or a bunch of illegal defense calls. Having Lebron bring the ball up in a 1-4 set is the worst possible option. Running a pick-and-roll is the 2nd worst option. Why purposely bring another defender towards Lebron? He always has a mismatch; he doesn’t need a pick to get clearance. Just give him the ball in the post and let him work.
I’ll admit the players around him suck, making it an “offense” in name only, but it’s clear that the offense he chooses to run 85% of the time is wrong in every way.
If he’s calling a better offense Lebron is choosing to ignore it, then fire him and get a coach Lebron will listen to.
If he just doesn’t see what his pretty obvious, then he needs to man up and admit he needs an Offensive assistant. Or just fire him. I’m happy either way.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Damn should have spell-checked that. Oh well
May 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I still don’t think LeBron is comfortable enough in the low post at this point in his career. The potential is clearly there, but the onus is on him to work on that facet of his game.
I agree that LeBron needs a coach he can listen to. But isn’t that on him? Since we’re not getting Phil Jackson or Pat Riley, or even Larry Brown.. who’s left that he’ll listen to?
Finally, I really do think that LeBron needs trust his teammates more. I know people will blindly look at assist totals and assume he trusts them with his life.. but he doesn’t. He dribbles the ball more than any player in the league. Mike Brown’s offense won’t work if LeBron is dribbling at the top of the key and settling for jumpers (He took 11 threes last night… he’s the best ever at getting to the basket and yet he settled for 11 threes).
May 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Damn it cursed. I had a whole response typed out that was more cogent that my usual ramblings, then wordpress lost it.
We’ll discuss later.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Fair enough..fucking wordpress