A Closer Look: Nate McLouth
Baseball, Fantasy Sports May 19th. 2008, 12:55pm
You’ve probably been wondering where The Baseball Friend had disappeared to. Nope, he didn’t create his own blog – not yet, at least – but his slow start in our fantasy league probably meant he was too busy to whip together some thought-provoking baseball banter. But since he rallied to beat us this week – soundly, in fact; we were cruising heading into the weekend, and his team went nuts – and this morning he felt like writing about Nate McLouth, and we’re always down for his baseball opinions. Enjoy them after the jump.
Sorry I’ve been away for so long, but I’m back in the mix and feel free to email me at thebaseballfriend@yahoo.com with any in-season questions.
We’re about 1/4 of the way through the baseball season and I figure it’s time I check in and assess the sitch-e-a-tion. A few things…
1. Why you should absolutely listen to TBF in March: I told you all about Nate McLouth (called the breakout and more on him in a bit,) Mike Napoli (called the HR AND the SB,) and Michael Bourn (yeah, he’s hitting like, .000, but I told you he’d lead the league in SB.)
2. TBF > TBL. We had our first matchup of the year this week and with 5 innings left to go in the week, I’m up 10-2. (he won, 9-2-1). Good times. (ps…wait for TBL’s response about how he was winning all week and I pulled it out on Sunday. Please limit your “THAT’S why they play 7 days a week” responses to 150 words or less. TBL is the sensitive sort.)
3. The Yankees are mediocre.
4. So is everyone else in the AL. Seriously. Who are you LOVING in the AL? The Rays? The Injuns? Certainly not the A’s in the long haul. I just don’t worry as a Yankee fan about them because no one else is that solid either. Saying this now…once Joba goes to the rotation and A-Rod and Jorge come back, the Yanks will suddenly look like the 95ish win team they are and they’ll make the playoffs.
5. Nate f’in McLouth. Nate the Great (TM) gets his own number. I loved him going into the year, but even I didn’t see this coming. But should we have? Should we be tripping over ourselves to sell high on him? The answers are Yes, we kinda should have and NO, we shouldn’t. A closer look:
For those of you who don’t look into these things, I’m here to tell you about BABIP or Batting Average on Balls In Play. It’s a tremendous stat. Quite simply, it tells you how many of a players balls put into play fall for hits. It basically measures how lucky a player is or isn’t. The average number depends on the level of play (it gets gradually lower as you rise up in level because defense understandably gets better). At the Major League level, the average is around .300, meaning about 30% of the balls a player puts in play should land for hits. Obviously, a guy who makes a ton of contact and is really fast (say, Ichiro,) will tend to have a higher level, but for the most part, think .300-.305. What this means is that if a guys’ BABIP is ridiculously low (like Robinson Cano’s .211,) he’s likely due for a big increase in AVG because he’s had really bad luck so far. This is why you shouldn’t sell on Cano. He’s going to correct himself and hit .290-.310 because that’s who he is.
Why do I bring this up on McLouth? Because his BABIP is currently .301 or roughly exactly what it was last year when he only hit .255. HOWEVER, his current AVG is WAY more in line with what he did his entire minor league career. The guy ALWAYS hit for average in the minors. He’s always profiled as a .300 hitter. The only real difference in ALL of his underlying stats this year vs. last year is that he’s striking out about 1/2 as much. Is this an aberration? No. He’s actually exactly back in line with what he’s been his whole professional life. All that’s happened is that he’s 26, he’s had a few years to adjust to major league pitching and he’s doing pretty much what he should be doing. EXCEPT for the power. THAT is the great mystery here. The guy is making contact how he always has. He’s hitting line drives at the rate he always has. It’s just that more balls are flying over the wall than ever before for him. Do I think he’s a 40 homer guy? No. But he sure is a 25 homer guy and considering his INSANELY good SB rate, if some of those HR turn into singles, it probably means his SB will rise up to where they’ve been in the past.
Bottom line, the dude is good. Really good. Expect a .300 AVG, 25 HR, 20ish steals (could be MUCH higher since he never gets thrown out stealing,) and as many R and RBI as the lineup allows for the next several years. Unless you’re getting a top 25ish talent back in a single year league, don’t sell. Just enjoy the ride.
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May 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
He’s been the one saving grace on my tremendously underperforming fantasy squad.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Just to clarify, I would only enjoy this post if I was in a fantasy baseball league, correct?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
wow
May 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I don’t know how you can predict Nate McLouth with these career stats.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I wouldn’t say Nate McClouth has an insanely good SB rate. He did it for one year. So what. This year he has 4 steals and 3 caught. That’s the opposite of insanely good.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
And Michael Bourn is currently OPSing at .522. What a pile of shit.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Hef if you put up the oprah.com link one more time I might go crazy.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I can’t believe I just read a post where the predominant purpose was to praise a member of the Pirates.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Um…your link went to Oprah’s homepage. I can now officially not take you seriously.
That said, here are his ML stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mclouna01.shtml
Here are his minor league stats: http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=9441
Other than the jump to high A (one of the 3 hardest jumps along with the jump to AA and the jump to MLB,) he’s always hit for a high average and he’s always been age appropriate for his level. I think we’re seeing the real version of him finally, albeit with an unsustainable power surge.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I Get the point of BABIP but seriously do we need more stats. Batting Average in this case was not good enough…now we need to know how many times a guy makes contact and how many times it is a hit. THis stat justifies the strikeout guys…I am fine with OBP…but this is just going overboard.
/ducks as Nick P throws a brick at my head
May 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
That was the last time fetch. I promise.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Hef just use this link instead.
/tee-hee
May 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
BABIP isn’t a stat that you wear like a badge, Roman. It’s an indicator for people who are trying to predict whether a player’s performance will continue.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Fetch, how is that link different?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
McLouth’s major league career: 38 SB in 43 attempts. That’s 88%.
McLouth’s minor league career: 146 SB in 177 attempts. That’s 82%.
Rickey Henderson’s career success rate was 81%. McLouth’s rate is ridiculously good.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
The thing I’ve found is that BABIP is more of a year to year stat rather than an in year stat, meaning a player/pitcher can sustain an abnormally high or low BABIP over the course of a year, but rarely does it continue.
And Hef: fine, thats the last time I make a joke.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Hef..I get it…but it’s the hot new stat and it is going to be shoved down my throat everytime a guy is having a good season…on our website you brought up Jeter…he has a High career BABIP…so the next ten years he is going to suck so it balances out?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Q: The sports player from Pittsburgh with the most coverage on TBL this week has been
A. Ben Roethlisberger
B. Nate McClouth
C. All of the Penguins combined
If you answered B, give yourself a rimjob.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Exactly, fetch. My point is that he’s NOT currently a lucky hitter. The number of balls he’s putting in play that are falling for hits is exactly at the league average. Just pointing out that him hitting .300 isn’t luck.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
i’d really like to try to go a week with NO red sox or yankees, and plenty of baseball. but i’ll need TBF to produce more gems like this.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Jeter doesn’t have a career high BABIP. His BABIP is low. He average .363 in BABIP. He’s the exception to the rule though Roman. Everyone else is right around .300.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
If I had two choices, with one being “bet on Nate McLouth” and one being “bet against Nate McLouth” I’d choose option B.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Cecil Cooper is bouncing Bourn around the Astros line-up right now, but he may end up at the 8 spot so that the pitcher can offer him some protection.
/wishes Bourn would just bunt every other time like Taveras did.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Bourn sucks out loud. He’s got the lowest everything in the majors besides steals. How’s his defense? Is he a two trick pony (he has three errors this year but that doesn’t always tell the story).
May 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Baseball friend: What are your thoughts on Max Scherzer, should I drop him, try to trade him, keep him, what do you think?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Max Scherzer is going to come over to your house and break all your bats.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
TBL, I know I’m in the minority here, but I can’t emphasize enough how completely boring fantasy baseball posts and comments are to people who don’t play fantasy baseball.
Monday’s suck. First I get to work and realize when I’m sitting under fluorescent lights, you can totally see my bra through my shirt, then I come on TBL to break the work monotony and see 3+ posts on the NBA and a post on fantasy baseball stats. Sweet.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
@ Hef,
The guy’s speed is insane and he can track the ball well. The downside for him is he gets to balls in CF that a lot of guys wouldn’t and that may boost his error count. His D overall is good, but it can be spectacular at times.
His ability to cover so much ground is especially important when you have a 300+ lb. left fielder, nevertheless, he’s got to pick it up very soon or he will be sent down.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
@ August: I wouldn’t call that a downside. Speaking of one trick ponies who should be hitting 9th: Carlos Gomez
May 19th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
@August: I was thinking there was a reason he was playing so much. The Astros are playing well inspite of this dead weight. If you put me out there you guys would have 30 wins by now.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Gomez>>>>Bourn
May 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Gomez is way better than bourn.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
RE: Bourn and Scherzer…
1. Bourn is bad at hitting. BUT, if the dude can just figure out how to hit .240/.250 he could literally steal 100 bases. He’s not someone I want to play every day, but there is obvious fantasy value there.
2. Scherzer is a GREAT pitching prospect. Could he come up and dominate? Sure. But there are 2 issues here, inconsistency at the highest level (which happens to EVERY young pitcher coming up at some point,) and opportunity. I don’t see him staying in the rotation when Davis comes back and I think he’ll start in AAA more than he’ll relieve in the minors this year. Long term, he’s about as good a SP prospect as there is, so if you’re in a keeper league, hang onto him. I do think there are others who are far less talented but will contribute more to your team THIS year. Depends on what your options are.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Michael Bourn is a poor man’s Juan Pierre.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
/made corrector
May 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Juan Pierre is saving my fantasy team this year. There’s a sentence I never thought I’d say.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Thanks. I really can’t believe the D-backs are going start Davis ahead of Scherzer, it seems stupid.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Well, you can’t have a guy lose his job over cancer, you know?
As for Bourn/Pierre, the difference is that Pierre at his best hit for AVG and when he did, while still sucking in real life, he was a fantasy BEAST. If Bourn hit .300, he’d be a top 40 player.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I just got the iPhone trifecta and everyone started staring at me. TBL, I know you’re big time with your ads, but can we make them quieter?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
In Bourn’s defense, he’s only had around 117 Major League at-bats when he got to Houston and was fast tracked through the Phillies’ system. He needs to pick it up, but it’s not like he has a multi-year track record of failure like Pierre.
I’ve still got hope, but I probably wouldn’t have tons of hope if I wasn’t a fan already.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Can we get some evidence photographically? Helped break up my day….
May 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
The Tigers are more over hyped than the Yankees.
He is from the same city as Derek Jeter!
Yes there really is a Kalamazoo.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
If Bourn hit .300, he’d be hitting lead-off for the NL Central leader.
/made snarkier
May 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I just traded for sportsgal. She’s obviously a player.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Mags, that’s not the current logo. The Dbacks no longer have turquoise as a color. I’m thinking that today doesn’t count for the bet if you don’t rectify the situation.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Saucey, Sportsgal. Saucey.
I watched Bourne play for the Phils in reserve duty the last couple years, and there’s no way he’s an everyday starter. Just can’t do it with the stick. Too bad he can’t get on base with that speed.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Maggs, I thought McLouth was from Muskegon, not Kalamazoo.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I watched Bourne play for the Phils in reserve duty the last couple years, and there’s no way he’s an everyday starter
As said above, he only had 100 at-bats for the Phils but I saw the same thing. I don’t think he will be able to hit lefties.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
If you asked Jeter where he’s from, he’d say New Jersey, not Kalamazoo even though he moved to K-Zoo when he was 4.
May 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Jeter said he was from Kalamazoo in the Mens Health Magazine that was just out. it was Aprils issue
May 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Does anybody else find the si.com article of “Mets Hammer Wang” funny?, or is it just me on a Monday trying to find something worthwhile to laught at?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Son of a B, Irish, must you correct me? Did you not see that I’m having a bad day?!
May 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
BABIP for hitters isn’t as useful. Pitchers haven’t shown the ability to affect BABIP allowed. ~.300 is generally the benchmark.
But hitters actually do have an ability to maintain an outsize BABIP.
Either by:
1. Hitting the ball really hard
2. Being really fast and legging out more than your share of infield hits.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
@Hef
The Tigers are more over hyped than the Yankees.
It was meant as a slight dig, but I can’t see it yet anyway so I figured it hadn’t changed. My Tigers are terrible.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Someone, anyone at Major League Jerk – please change your logo
May 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I second ATL. More Kitty Please.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
there’s so much to tackle in here, im not sure where to start.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
TBF,
I have a deal where I can trade McLouth for Joba in the works. It’s a 10 team mixed league, 5×5, and I have Manny, Jacoby, and Byrnes as my other OFers.
Do I make the deal, and hope that Byrnes can play a little better and replace McLouth, since they’re very similar players?
I’m leaning toward pulling the trigger. Even if Byrnes never gets out of this rut, I can pick up another decent OFer since it’s a 10-team mixed.
Advance thanks.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I’d appreciate anyone’s opinion on the question, really.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
From now on, please refer to Eric Byrnes as the Panda. It’s catching on.
May 19th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I’m pretty sure we should be referring to Eric Byrnes as Byrnes over Vlad in honor of where TBL selected him in our fantasy draft…
That said, I’m not sure I would do that unless it was a keeper league. I worry about Byrnes. He was a bit over his head last year in terms of BA and he’s a bit banged up. I wouldn’t consider him a suitable replacement for McLouth at this point.
Joba’s great, but it is at least POSSIBLE that he’ll only relieve for the rest of the year (although I sincerely doubt that.) Is this a keeper league? Honestly, I think given his ridiculous start, you could probably get more for McLouth than a really great middle reliever.
May 19th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I’ve been trying hard to move McLouth and have been packaging good guys with him, but people aren’t sold on him, yet.
It’s not a keeper league.
I think “Panda” is probably hurt, but at what pace does McLouth continue? I think the consensus is that he hits ~30 HRs this year, so another 18 with his average staying around .300 and getting steals. Nothing to sneeze at, but I can pick up a guy who can probably do something similar (minus the SBs, but I have Reyes and Jacoby) and get a guy who–other than posting a great ERA and WHIP–could be one of the top 25 SPs in the game.
I’m pretty much talking myself into it at this point, anyway. So who do you think I could get that’s more than Joba for McLouth?
May 19th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’d have to see what’s going on in your league. I was offered Chipper Jones for him in a keeper league. There HAS to be a team who is hurting for OF, though. Assuming your need is SP, find the teams with the 3-4 worst OF and ask for their top starter. You won’t get a Johan or a Peavy, but you should be able to get the next tier down from someone if they’re hurting for OF.
May 19th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
And to NP…
Agreed on BABIP hitter/pitcher. Someone like Ichiro can always sustain a high BABIP because he beats out so many infield hits. My point is simply that McLouth ISN’T overly lucky right now, so you can feel comfortable that his .300 AVG is legit.
May 19th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
The Panda has had “sore legs” all year, so he’s afraid to put the ball on the ground and try to run out a grounder. Also, he’s not stealing bases for the same reasons.
May 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
@TBF: Yeah I know. It wasn’t really directed towards your McClouth comment.
Don’t trade for Joba if it’s a re-draft league.