The Fall of College Football’s 1990 Dynasties
College Football May 22nd. 2008, 4:00pm
The college football season is still three months away, but here’s a story you can expect to see everywhere in previews everywhere: The demise of dynasties such as Notre Dame, Nebraska, Miami and Florida State. None of them will be ranked in the preseason Top 25, and it is certainly an odd feeling to see them all rebuilding at the same time. Feel free to toss Michigan there if you feel compelled to do so. A prospective intern named Parrish collected his thoughts on this, and they are after the jump.
Does anyone remember the last time Notre Dame, Nebraska, Miami and Florida State all had back-to-back poor seasons? Yeah, neither do I. The age of a true dynasty is long gone as there has not been a legit back-to-back BCS title winner since it was created 10 years ago (before you start, spare me USC fans).
The Free Shoes era is dead, although Jenn Sterger and her assets are helping to soften that blow. Florida State and Nebraska have been hit the hardest since dominance in the 90’s, and both have sunk into mediocrity. Florida State, Miami and Nebraska used to win 80 percent of their games; now that number is in the low 60’s while perennially bad teams like Kansas and Rutgers have caught up. There was a time when the notion of Navy beating Notre Dame was as foreign to college football fans as restraint was to Catholic priests. These truly are trying times to be a fan of the old guard.
West Virginia, South Florida and Boise State have become household names. South Florida didn’t even exist until 1997. This is the equivalent of you getting kicked out of the club only to see your moron cousin in the VIP room making it rain. Permanent cellar-dwellers like Kansas and Wake Forest are defeating Nebraska and Florida State. Hell, Boise State, Utah and West Virginia have more combined BCS wins (four) than Florida State, Michigan, Nebraska and Notre Dame put together (three).
To fans of the dominant teams from the 90s ,this is the equivalent of Poland invading Germany and then beating their ass during Oktoberfest. Or the French beating anyone at anything. It is simply not supposed to happen.
We all know that the cutting of the scholarship limits by 20 (105 to 85) has meant the world to smaller schools. In the early 90’s it was common place for teams like Nebraska and Florida State to stock up talent by taking would-be starters away from smaller schools only to fill out their bench, that all changed in 1991. However, this only means something if there are good coaches to take advantage of that rule. Universities have realized that there is so much money to be made off of football that investing in coaches and facilities makes too much sense. Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens’ $168 million gift to Oklahoma State’s athletic program will do more than 20 extra scholarships ever could. Look at the money that Phil Knight is putting into Oregon’s program. Teams like Nebraska and Florida State will find it increasingly difficult to compete for top notch coaches and world class facilities when teams like Oregon and Oklahoma State can bank on donations that total well over $100 million.
Louisville was paying Bobby Douchebag nearly $3 million to be their coach. That is more than 12 NFL coaches, while Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz pulls in $3.3 million each year. That would put him in the top 10 in the NFL. Yes, the same Ferentz that has led Iowa to a 19-18 record over the last 3 years. If you are a good coach you can make some serious coin without the horrible grind of the NFL. Saint Nick Saban left the NFL for a guaranteed $36 million from Alabama. Yes, I know batshit crazy Alabama fans can be difficult to deal with, but they can’t be worse than dealing with Al Davis or Dan Snyder.
On one hand you have 20-hour days with no chance at a life outside of football, and on the other you have weeks where you can only practice for 20 hours in total and you can still make millions. To some (Carroll and Stoops) it seems like a no brainer, but to others (Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier) the lure of NFL glory is too strong. Now that universities have realized how much money there is to be made on college football the era of major program dynasties (championships make dynasties, not 10 win seasons) may never come back.
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May 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Can we declare this the sentence of the year?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Good job - I like the metaphor about your moron cousin making it rain–but I’m not sure what that means…is he peeing on the dancers?
/30-year old white guy trying to “keep up”
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
So wait. USC’s domination didn’t count for some biased reason or another I’m guessing? That’s bullshit without some sort of an explaination. I’m not even really a fan, but they in fact have won back to back titles, so……..?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
@atlanta http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=make+it+rain
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
@Mo - Sorry - I should’ve made it clear that I was kidding…Sadly, I have been with someone in a club that made it rain. It was kind of awkward.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Good article, but somebody needs to impose a word count limit on these prospective interns. This is a blog, not a newspaper!
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Notre Dame and their 0 titles is included in a Dynasties of the ’90s post?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
That’s what it means in my world.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
@Swandog: USC didn’t win back to back titles. They won one title, and the AP decided to break with the BCS and award them half of another one.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
i love this post. great shit.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Glad to see urbandictionary included the R. Kelly-specific definition of Make it rain…
I’m all for the giants tumbling (and by giants I mean the non-SEC schools that used to be really good) There’s a hell of a lot of CFB fans out there who like to see their team win some.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
USC didn’t just win back-to-back titles. They’ve won every title in the 2000’s. If you don’t believe me, just ask Pete Carroll.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
he’d be jacked and pumped to tell you all about it.
/better, more talented Spencer Hall
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
@ Nick, didn’t ND win in ‘93?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
USC wasn’t a dynasty in the 90s, was it? At any rate, the dynasties being spoken of here include: ND, FSU, Miami, etc
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
USC doesn’t count because they won the AP National Championship and then won the BCS National Championship the following year. Fucking semantics.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
@atlanta - It’s cool, I needed an excuse to go to urban dictionary. PS Do you have video and was it Chipper Jones?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
@august: You may be right. I just wanted an excuse to bash ND.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
@august: No, they last won in 1988.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Nevermind Iz dumb
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:20 pm
take FSU and ND out of this talk and the post is great.
FSU is a dynasty with two titles? 6 years apart?
Notre Dame in 1988, cmon now
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I’m not sure how Nebraska was ever any good. I think their downfall was the invention of the forward pass. Ever since the option went out of style it’s been all downhill.
FSU has suffered because the man responsible for motivating 20 year olds is a dinosaur, JoePa on line 1.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
west virginia was the team notre dame last beat for a title, they only werent a household name to retards who just started following college football in the last six years
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
@Coop: The option just evolved into the “Spread-Option” offense.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Well TBL did stress brevity in the e-mail…at least the ones I got
I think it might be too sweeping to make broad assumptions about a changing of the guard. Schools have always fluctuated. Big programs always go through lulls.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
To be perfectly honest here, the post should only be about Miami
It has been downhill since The U lost the Fiesta Bowl to tOSU. So 4 bad years since 1983.
Randy Shannon has recruited some studs, so the future is very bright
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
The shot at USC fans was a preemptive strike at those who say they have a dynasty right now. Dynasties do not include 10-11 win seasons in my opinion, they need championships.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
SMU… shitty in the 1990s.
SMU… still shitty today.
/time to earn that money, Mr. Jones!
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Why are you ragging on South Florida? Equating them to a moron cousin…
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Dynasties do not include 10-11 win seasons in my opinion, they need championships.
amen to that Godsof the gridiron. You write this? not bad
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Thanks irishmafia.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:28 pm
So if FSU was a dynasty in the 90’s, is LSU a dynasty now?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
@ Gods: good stuff
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Yes, I know batshit crazy Alabama fans can be difficult to deal with, but they can’t be worse than dealing with Al Davis or Dan Snyder.
Depends on how… um…. ‘urban’ you are.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
guiness, Because SoFla didn’t even exist long ago and is a commuter school who plays in a pro-team stadium. They are an interloper in the college football world used to old blue bloods ruling the land.
Irish, Miami was by far the best of these teams, but Neb had a pretty good run early in the 90’s (even stole a title from PSU in 94) and FSU played in the 1st 3 BCS title games, deservedly or not.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pm
FSU finished in the top 4 for 14 straight years, including every year in the 90s. Yes they only won 2 titles, but that’s a pretty strong decade.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pm
The Nebraska team that pistol whipped Flo-rida was the best team of my lifetime.
1996 maybe. or 1995.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Nick, you speak the truth, Nebraska was good because they had the best athletes, don’t give me this forward pass wasn’t invented yet bullshit.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Just curious, but what does finishing in the AP Top 5 14 straight years, 14 consecutive years of double digit wins, 2 national championships, 2 heisman winners, an 11-3 bowl record amount to if not a dynasty?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I know what South Florida is since I went there. We are also the second largest university in Florida(behind UF). Irish, I totally agree about the U. My husband is finally enthused to see them after the last few years..
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
please tell me where each of those teams finished in the AP poll for every season in the 90s. A guess: Neither ever them was ever below 20. You finish in the top 20 for 10 years in a row, you’re a dynasty, man.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Your husband will stay that way until they get routed by Florida.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
@nick p- Miami 2001 was the best team i have ever seen. It was during my college years as well. Portis, Shockey, Andre johnson, Ed Reed, Mcgahee, Frank Gore, Deuce davenport, Mckinnie, Wolfork, Vilma, and Dj Williams
National Title that year
but this stat stands out to me the most during my college years at the U:
Consecutive Regular Season Wins: 39, 2000-03
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
TBL, Notre Dame was definitely below 20 a couple of times in the 90s. They made Orange Bowl one year and were like 6-5.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Miami of Florida split one title during the 90’s. That would make them less of a 90’s dynasty than FSU.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
shit, ill do FSU
1990-1999
9 bowl games in 10 seasons
7-2 in bowl games
titles in 1993, 1999
won 10+ games each season
(I’m not sure about 1991, but they didn’t go to a bowl game that year. I’m off to do chores, so someone else can look it up. Be back shortly.)
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
@TBL- just like the guy said who wrote this.
“Dynasties do not include 10-11 win seasons in my opinion, they need championships.”
i agree with that 100%
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
What reall IS a dynasty? NE Patriots winning 3 of 4 Super Bowls, I say no, I say it was a great 4 year run. Bill Russell’s Celtics were a dynasty, even what San Antonio is now, is close but not really. College football, I saw Miami was closest, but not even them
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:46 pm
The rules for dynasty are different for college sports, you have a completely new team every few years. What Florida State did in the 90’s definitley makes them a dynasty, that is an impressive run of success.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:46 pm
As much as I hate Nebraska, Nick speaks the truth.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Just looked at the final AP poll from 1996-2006.
Only 1 team made it 9 times: Georgia
Are they a dynasty?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
@coop - i knew you were a U fan deep down lol. PSU had a great run for a long time as well
@guiness- tell your husband to hop back on the bandwagon. I think the U is back with what Randy Shannon is doing and the recruits he brought in this year
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Tommy Frazier was awesome on those Cornhusker teams, carrying 3-4 dudes on his back.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
@irish: That was an impressive streak. Who broke it? I can’t quite place my finger on it.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I would put Nebraska in ‘95 and Miami in ‘01 as the best 2 teams that I have ever seen. There was more pro talent on Miami’s team but I think NEB would have won the game with their defense and offensive line. As for the poster who mentioned LSU. I think LSU, should they get another title in a year or two, could be the team of this decade. If they can get a third outright, BCS title in this decade it will be tough for USC to stake a claim to being the team of the decade.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I don’t see how the 90’s is really any different than the 00’s in terms of college football other than the teams involved. In the 90’s FSU, Miami, Michigan and Nebraska were big wigs while traditional powers, such as OSU, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma struggled.
In the 00’s Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, LSU and USC were good while traditional powers FSU, Michigan, Nebraska and to a lesser extent Miami have struggled.
the only difference is one team (Neb) in the 90’s had 3 championships. OSU has been in 3 NT games, LSU has won 2 titles. USC has won 1 and been at the top.
BCS/Bowl alliance bowl games:
00’s
Oklahoma: 6 games (2 NT appearances, 1 title)
tOSU: 5 games (3 NT appearances, 1 title)
USC: 5 appearances (2NT appearances, 1 title)
LSU: 4 appearances (2NT app, 2 titles)
90’s (92-99)
Neb: 7 appearances (4 NT games, 3 titles)
FSU: 8 appearances (4 NT games, 2 titles)
Michigan: 3 appearances (1 NT game, 1 title)
Miami: 3 appearances, (2 NT game, 0 titles) (post ‘92)
Florida: 4 appearances (2 NT games, 1 title)
So there was 1 dynasty in the 90’s and 0 in the 00’s? how is that really different?
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
The South Florida fan on here (cough, Guinness, cough) could do a better job saying that USF wasn’t a I-A team until 1997, rather than that it was nonexistent ’til then.
Good stuff, though Notre Dame being a dynasty since Joe Montana left is laughable and Miami was clearly third in the state of Florida to UF and FSU towards the end of the 90s.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
tOSU didn’t win or play for a title in the 90s, but we didn’t exactly struggle. Our ‘96 team was incredible from an NFL talent perspective.
John Cooper just didn’t know how to handle dem boyz up north.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Phantom interference call, or Willis McGahee’s knee getting blowed the hell up, or Maurice Clarett’s almost assured ineligibility? Which line of attack will it be, Irish?
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Nebraska and Michigan split the title in 97, i think nebraska got it because Osborne was retiring that year.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Also, as the UF student on here: Damn a Cornhusker.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Sorry I meant “struggle” in the sense of not winning titles and BCS bowls. And I’m a tOSU fan too.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Gee Reggie, UF explains a lot…
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
jibbles, what are your thoughts on the Granato hire?
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Maybe they split it because they were both undefeated superjakrs.
All you Nebraska haters on here can eat it.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
@jib: Nice.
tOSU and Denver? How?
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Hey, now, Guinness: I’m the one mentioning that your school EXISTED before 2007. Play nice.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Notre Dame was a historic dynasty and I have no problem with their being included in the article, although their fall happened some time ago… good article here: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1749_Tale_o‘_the_Tape:_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_Notre_Dame.html
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Well fuck me, article is here.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Ya think? That was a joke. So was Penn State not getting a title in 1993.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
@cbh: Oh, I’m not dissing those Nebraska teams in any way, shape, or form. Those guys were hell with the option offense in the 90s. I just wish we hadn’t been chainsawed by them.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Can we put a moratorium on this one from that game. It wasn’t pass interference, it was defensive holding. The guy was all over Gamble until the ball was thrown and then disengaged.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
@Nick:
Grew up in Denver. Attended tOSU for Grad school. My undergrad school had no college football team.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Nebraska wasn’t #1 all year until they got a share of the title, they did that to force a change in the structure. Michigan was the best all year and deserved it themselves.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Profanity!
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Michigan never played Nebraska but Onterrio you can say they were the best, ok, nice logic.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:19 pm
@jibble: Not saying I believe it, just throwing it out as something Miami fans bray about.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Diesel, title should have been split between Nebraska and Penn State that year, I can agree with that.
I remember SI came out with Penn State gear after that season and no Nebraska national championship gear, my Dad and I were pissed.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I just looked it up, I thought their 19-0 loss to Arizona St was in 1997, but it was 1996, my memory is fading
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Irish, I might love to hate the U but they’ve fielded some of the best teams in history and were always extremely fun to watch.
Guiness, nothing wrong with being new, the U was an interloper in the 80’s and its worked out pretty well for them. I hope you guys can keep Leavitt from jumping to a bigger school, he’s a good coach.
May 22nd, 2008 at 5:41 pm
@jibbs: I went grad school at tOSU also. Good deal.
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
@ Nick, Not sure if you’re looking hard enough, Michigan is in the top 25 every year in the 1990’s, and from 96 until 2006 (which is 11 years by the way) they were only excluded in 2005 (10/11). 96-06 Miami is in there 10 times as well, 2006 being their off year. Ditto for FSU. I’ll give you Nebraska, which made it 10/10 in the 90’s, but is only 8/11 from 96-06.
@ Jibble, I have to agree/disagree with your 1st post. Going on your BCS/NT bowl game appearances I’d agree with most of what you said, except that Michigan went to 4 Rose Bowls from 90-99, and has been to 3 Rose Bowls from 2000-07, so if by some act of god they win/make a NT game, this would make them the exact same as they were in the 90’s. This is probably overlooked because of OMG SEC SPEED and the fact that Michigan has shit the bed most of the time in the 2000s when in the spotlight. Their only saving grace is that it never fucked up quite spectacularly enough to be remembered for fucking up that much, 2003 USC beats them, proclaims shared #1 title. 2004 Vince Young/nameless UT kicker beats them at the last second, and 2006 OSU managed to shit the bed even more than Michigan.
@ TBL, Notre Dame, 90-99
Top 25 7/10
Top 10 3/10
9/10 bowl games, with a record of 4-5, remember the 94-95 season is when they started their streak of winless bowl games.
One last point: Lots of FSU mentions, why not so much UF?
UF 90-99
10/10 top 25
[b]8[/b]/10 top 10
1 National title, 2 title games
1 Fiesta bowl
1 Orange bowl
4 Sugar bowls
5-5 in bowl games
also, this website is handy for stats like W-L, top 25, etc: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/
top 25 archive:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/ap_poll.php?year=2000
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
/stupid me and html
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
can someone tell me how miami would be considered a dynasty of the 90s? 92-93 season got blown out in the sugar by bama, 93-94 got shut out by arizona in the fiesta 96 they played in the carquest bowl 97 no bowl 98 they played in the micron PC bowl and following the 99 season they played in the gator bowl…ummmmmm what?
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 pm
dynasty of the 90s rankings go like this
1. nebraska
2. fsu
And thats it
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I believe that FSU was 4-0 vs. NU in the 90s.
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Honestly, there should be no argument as to who was the best team of the 90’s. The Huskers were by far the most dominate team. Winning three championships by beating Miami in their house, the Orange Bowl, beating Florida in Tempe for their second title and finishing off a Peyton Manning led Vol’s team in the Orange Bowl for their third title of the 90’s.
Beating Miami in the Orange Bowl for the title should be enough to give them the nod. Then you got Touchdown Tommie Frazier running through the entire Gator defense en route to 64 points. The Blackshirt defense beating the living piss out of Manning. But the definitive piece is Tom Osborne. How can you not love the man.
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
i guess i dont get a dynasty. what’s the definition? is it strictly titles?
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
This coming from an FSU fan, they did play nebraska well and I think the gap between nebraska and fsu is closer than most would probably think…if weinke hadnt been hurt for the championship game against tennessee I think they win that game in a walk and then they would be considered #1 for the 90s…but first and foremost you have to look at titles in regards to a dynasty…as for TBL when half of your seasons in the 90s end in a shutout, no bowl game, the carquest bowl, the micron PC bowl and the gator bowl…you arent a dynasty
May 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 pm
FSU did play in a bowl all 10 years by the way TBL
1990 FSU 24 - Penn St. 17 Blockbuster Bowl
1991 FSU 10 - Texas A&M 2 Cotton Bowl
1992 FSU 27 - Nebraska 14 Orange Bowl
1993 FSU 18 - Nebraska 16 Orange Bowl *National Champions*
1994 FSU 23 - Florida 17 Sugar Bowl
1995 FSU 31 - Notre Dame 26 Orange Bowl
1996 Florida 52 - FSU 20 Sugar Bowl
1997 FSU 31 - Ohio State 14 Sugar Bowl
1998 Tennessee 23 - FSU 16 Fiesta Bowl
1999 FSU 46 - Virginia Tech 29 Sugar Bowl *National Champions*
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 am
If you are strictly evaluating the 90’s maybe, because Miami’s runs were 86-92 (7 years, 6 losses, 2 undefeated) and then the early 2000’s. As a PSU man with an ax to grind I’ve always felt that FSU beat up a bunch of basketball schools and then lost to Florida or in the bowl game. Not completely true but the ACC was horrendous during that period. There is no denying that FSU/NU had great records over that period. I don’t consider any of the FSU teams to be historically great, definitely very good but not amazing, where as a few of those Miami teams were.
Awesome site for college football stats, all time records, head to head records, other misc stats: http://football.stassen.com/records/
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:54 am
cmon JeffaJAx. Two national titles for Florida State. Miami has 5, and maybe if your team knew how to kick field goals it would be a different story. please watch this video to refresh your memory. Wide Right should ring a bell
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zpcTC1vpHL0
and gator fans on here: you have two national championships. Start talking shit when you have 5
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 am
Dammit Jeff, now you’ve got me agreeing with irish AND defending Miami, which should just never happen.
May 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 am
coop you love the Canes. But hey, its people defending their beloved teams and you gotta love that