Juicy Story Brewing in the White Sox Organization?
Baseball, Drugs May 22nd. 2008, 1:00pm
Intern Bill really is earning his keep – he’s got a second post coming later today – because this story regarding the White Sox could pop over the weekend if reporters at the Sun-Times and the Tribune feel like doing some digging. If often-unreliable message boards are to be believed, it seems like there may be much more to the firing of Dave Wilder, director of player personnel.
Last Friday, the Chicago White Sox released a statement saying that they had fired the Director of Player Personnel Dave Wilder, and two scouts based in the Dominican Republic. As noted by TBL commenter chiefingilliniwek…”I haven’t seen jack anywhere about the whole White Sox firing 3 Latin American scouts for skimming signing bonuses story, if you wanted to do some digging on that. It was barely even in the Trib/Sun-Times, and the Sox buried the news late on a Friday night. Feds involved, could get interesting.” Looks like the Chief might be onto something. According the message board SoxTalk, (via SouthSideSox) a White Sox front office scout (and former MLB bureau scout) was in the mood to dish. Anonymously. Quoth “BureauEmployee171â€:
Here is the concept of what was going on (and no, this is not something that happens throughout the industry – and the Chicago White Sox did not “find this out and report it to MLB.” It was found out by MLB & reported to the White Sox through arrests & warrants).
Dave Wilder and his staff were in control of California (most of the Western part of the USA), and all Latin American operations (including Cuba, etc.). Wilder signed many (MANY!) latin-americans to rather large contracts (+ $100,000) who had no representation in the latin-countries. Now – for anyone who knows and understands latin scouting – there are almost ZERO players without latin representation (meaning – players in these countries are in academies run by agents from these countries who then sell players off to MLB teams to put in their own academies). Now – when a player has no representation – there is generally a reason, i.e., they’re terrible. Now – what happened was this:
Wilder would find these players and sign them for a large amount of money (as mentioned above) and then take their money as their “agent.” Now – he had to get permission to pass these players off & what he was doing was supplying these players with fake birth cerficates taking as many as 5 years off their age & also supplying them with HGH & steroids (even as they were in MiLB). He was then taking this money and putting it into an off-shore account, taking the maximum amount possible at any given time and washing it through a business he opened up in Arizona that rehabs houses.
Usual caveats apply, of course (it’s anonymous, it’s a message board, guy’s got an axe-to-grind, Bissinger!, etc.), but this either the craziest thing to come out of Chicago since giving Scott Linebrink 20 million over four years, or Dave Wilder is the Stringer Bell of Latin American scouting. And since these are the White Sox, either is possible.
More wild claims (but probably worth looking into if you are covering the team) from the anonymous poster:
* Anderson Gomes was caught with PED’s after being in the Futures Game and Paulo Orlando’s hyped up speed is a myth. Both are Wilder’s “sign-and-collect†prospects.
* our Latin stud 16 year old SS Juan Silverio is actually 20.5 years old, not 16.
* Outside of Wilder – Regier was the single most despised person by our entire staff. He was the one who made the “decisions†on who went where & when. Wilder was Regier’s “pimp†in that he hired Regier and told him where to put his players. The funny thing is – a Farm Director makes about 100K/season (not peanuts, but not extravagent either) and Regier was driving around in a 150+ K Porsche and wearing a 15 K watch with 500+ dollar shoes & belts. You don’t make that kind of money as a Farm Director.
So is this fiasco as bad as it looks? Probably no worse than trading for Chone Figgins, but Ozzie loves him his fast guys, don’t he? Either way, if/when this goes mainstream, Mr. Negative will have a field day.
Huge hat-tip to South Side Sox.
38 Responses to “Juicy Story Brewing in the White Sox Organization?”
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May 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
That’s bad. Firing your director of scouting three weeks before the draft. Wow.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 pm
@ASU: Not like it matters, the Sox would fuck it up anyways.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
i still think it’s an outrage that the university of illinois banned chief illiniwek.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Know what would make this post even better? If the links worked….
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
@Fetch: This is true. Granted, the rumor is The White Sox are hot for Brett Wallace. Drafting Wallace would be a hell of a way to start your draft.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
the rumor I heard is they wanted Jordan Danks, who I think will be good, but at 8 or 9 or whatever it is? yeesh. But yes Wallace would be a good way to start
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Forget wallace, ike davis is the way to go.
/I will not stop repeating myself
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
@Hef: Davis will go in the top 20. The knock against Ike is “lack of energy” when at-bat from time to time.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Hef is going to shoot me if Ike doesn’t make it into my first round I think. Fortunately I was gonna put him in there anyways.
BTW, hopefully there’s at least a baseball thread on draft day cause I’ll be talking non stop about the draft. The first day of the draft is my Christmas pretty much.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
These guys have unbelievably easy jobs. They just read TBL and jack links from here.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
my bad on the links … fixed
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 pm
fetch: we’ll do a live blog in conjunction with your predictions.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 pm
I’m surprised. I thought as many people cared about the WNBA draft as the amount that cared about the MLB draft.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
LOL!!!
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
@Vegas: How much traffic are those jokers bringing in for you?
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
you’re probably right cbh, but I love it. And hef that’s pretty cool, although probably will be embarrassing when I go 1 for 30 in my predictions.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
@Fetch: Would like to see your mock draft. I really enjoy the MLB draft every year. I really do not like the idea of the Rays taking a catcher 1-1.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 pm
I count two hits from there so far. If my blog is down later this afternoon, you’ll know why. Can’t handle that much traffic all at once.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:27 pm
jeez Posey went yard twice yesterday. He’s ridiculous, but no ASU, I don’t think he should go 1.1 either.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
This sort of thing couldn’t happen to a classier organization.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I like the fact that Posey is an athletic catcher with a cannon for an arm. He arguably converted from the most athletic position on the field, shortstop, to one of the least athletic positions. His bat should be MLB average, however, I question his production in college because he played at one of the more hitter friendly college stadiums in the country.
I think the Rays should take Tim Beckham. He has the most tools of any talent on the board right now. Alvarez is the surest thing in the draft, but I seriously doubt the Rays want to talk to Boras.
Do you know what the make-up issues with Cole are? All I could find was, he throws temper tantrums on the mound when things go wrong.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
now if they could just fire their TV announcers, life would be great.
He Gone!
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:35 pm
$500 belts? i wonder if they were Aligator skin or Ostrich
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
stories on this were on front page sports in the trib and sun times gave it major play as well, with columns bashing sox (jay) and stories on the situation. don’t know how someone could say this was ignored. remember that reporters generally have to get someone on the record, or anonymously on the record to run something of this magnitude, essentially destroying someone’s character. you get this wrong, it’s a multi-million dollar lawsuit.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Nice! Glad you picked this up and ran with it and got details like I was hoping to somehow get, since the Trib and Sun-Times have still pretty much completely ignored it except for a passing reference in a Mariotti column. And it’s certainly something the Sox have gotta be completely embarrassed about. Hopefully some other places will pick up the story from here.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
@ ASU: I totally agree with your thoughts on the two players. In fact I may have to change my blurbs about them so it doesn’t look like I plagiarized they’re that similar. As for Cole I have no idea. In Kevin Goldstein’s chat yyesterday he twice mentioned that Cole was basically a piece of shit.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
ouchi:
I guess by “ignoring” I mean there were just vague mentions about it, no details. I’m sure some of the Sox beat writers wouldn’t have too much trouble getting one or two people to give up the info anonymously. Mariotti gave it one sentence.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
@Fetch: KG’s chat is what sent me on the search to find out what this kids malfunction is. Remember, Cole Hamels is/was a total asshole too. He lied to the organization when he broke his hand and there are still rumors that he broke his arm in a fight not a pick-up football game.
What I find really disappointing in this year’s draft is the lack of quality arms. Sure there are a few college pitchers with talent, but nothing overall impressive. If the Cardinals pass on Hosmer (assuming he is there) or another top five talent that is dropping at the Speed of Porcello, and draft a college pitcher I am going to be very pissed off.
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Maybe they gave it one sentence because it’s all hearsay at this point. If the anonymous message board poster isn’t willing to go on record for the story, why would a reputable newspaper run with it?
/Devil’s advocate
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
@Asu: based on your first two sentences of your second paragraph, you’ll probably stab your eyes out when reading my blurb about Matusz
May 22nd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
not sure if these links are inserted right, but just to dispute that chicago media ignored this story, because i read about it, here are several stories. granted, more should, and will be, done about this.
May 22nd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
check out the trib and suntimes’ web sites, and you can read their stories, multiple stories about the subject (trib had the most), not one line throwaways. again, no details because it’s a federal case. i don’t think these beat writers want the fanaira wadu treatment for a story on scouts’ malfeasance.
May 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I’m not sold on Matusz. Hell, I was sold on Tanner Scheppers then he goes off and gets a stress fracture in his shoulder. Do you draft Scheppers in 1st round hoping the stress facture was caused by a mechanical issue that can be corrected? He will probably still demand a high bonus no matter where he is taken. This is one situation I will watch with great intensity.
//I’m sharpening the knife as we speak.
May 22nd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
If I were you, I wouldn’t trust any info you get from SoxTalk. Personally, I’m going to wait until Badger Blogger chimes in.
May 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
I second that. The Hawk and Co. are unfit to broadcast AAA games.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Finally a White Sox mention, and this is what you choose? Oh well, winners of 7 straight, in first in the central and the injuns and tigers suck ass…life is good.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
There’s so many rumors going on about this lately (on message boards and elsewhere) but either way, if this has been going on, as a Sox fan, I’m glad to see the Sox cutting the ties with those in question, though, this could turn into quite the scandal if it goes much higher. Soxtalk (the message board that I believe a lot of this information came from), seems to have deleted a few threads regarding the situation in order to turn them into one thread. I’m curious how high this investigation will go, looks like a lot of shady things happen. But the one positive that the Sox get out of this, is that Buddy Bell will actually have a bigger role in the organization, which can’t be a bad thing.
May 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
@ ssimac, seriously.. the Sox had that big blow up doll thing that was on the cover of the Sun Times and had women outraged, and it barely got a mention in The Round-Up… but, hey, first place and winners of 7 straight (even with all of this going on), I’m not complaining, our starting pitching has been ridiculously good, and TBL was dead on with Gavin Floyd being our ringer this year (also surprised to not see mention of this when he’s flirted with no-hitters 3 times now this year).