The Joba Experiment: Full of Fail
Baseball June 4th. 2008, 10:59am
Sure, it’s only one start, but for a sub-.500 team - not just any team; the biggest spenders in baseball - in desperate need of starting pitching, four walks in 2 1/3 innings, and 30 balls vs. 32 strikes from a guy who has been viewed by delusional New Yorkers as the savior, Joba Chamberlain certainly had an ominous beginning to his career as a starter last night. Mike & the Mad Dog will likely spend three hours on this today, perhaps analyzing each pitch. In the event you missed the glorious disaster, Intern Bill kept a running diary.
This is exactly like a live blog, but delayed so we can add in things like additional thoughts and links in semi-real time, and take out things like “George Bush doesn’t care about black people.€
7:00 — We come in the Yankees Entertainment and Sports’ (or with all due respect to Bob Raissman, Al Yankzeera’s) coverage of Jobapalooza 2008, hosted by Michael Kay and Al Leiter. Leiter’s analysis is generally sober, thoughtful, measured, intelligent; at times he’ll steal a sign from the catcher and call a pitch before it’s thrown. Almost exactly like ESPN’s coverage of the 2008 draft, actually, except less annoying. Joined by Leiter is Michael Kay, whose voice is so irritating and distracting, it makes one pine for Yankees radio broadcaster John Sterling (and that’s saying something!).
7:05 — The Yankees organ player delivers a less than Sterling (no pun intended) rendition of “O Canada†followed by our national anthem. Rather low-key for Chamberlain’s start, “ehâ€? (Pun definitely intended!)
7:06 — Yankees broadcast showing pictures of Joba as a little kid and boy was he fat! Looks a lot like Andruw Jones does now, actually.
7:07 — The broadcast flashes Toronto’s lineup. It’s mediocre, uninspiring, and the way things usually go for these types of manufactured media “events†they’ll score eight runs! Here’s hoping!
7:08 - The first pitch to Jays leadoff hitter Shannon Stewart is a ball. We hear a smattering of boos.
Yankee fans are a lot like Philadelphia Phillies fans, actually. Except with less loathing, more self-respect, and without the battery throwing. During the race riots in 1977, I think Bronx store owners would keep essential goods like batteries under lock and key to prepare for the blackouts, fires, and police beatings that were typical of the city in that era. Expect that to change if Chamberlain falters.
7:10 - Stewart leads off with a walk. Dead silence in Yankee stadium. Expect Toronto to go up 1-0 here. As Tim McCarver said in more lucid times “Lead off walks score.€ He’s right.
7:11 — Decent numbers from Marco Scutaro. Another 1st pitch ball. Leiter is going on about how starting is different than reliving from a mindset aspect. Apparently when you start, “you think about it when you wake up, you think about it when you eat, take a nap…†Nap? When Randy Johnson was playing in Arizona, he was so intense he wouldn’t sleep for 36 hours before a start. Right? It’s worth looking into, we think.
7:15 — Scutaro K’s on a high curve.
7:16 — Joba gives a (questionable) balk to Stewart, sending him to 2nd. Alex Rios is up now. The Blue Jays had a trade on the table sending Alex Rios to San Francisco for Tim Lincecum. Worth mentioning. Rule of thumb, GM’s, any chance you get to screw Brian Sabean, you ought to take it. It’ll make your career last a lot longer.
7:17 — Passed ball by Molina, Stewart to 3rd.
7:18 — Ground out to 2B, Stewart scores. Toldja? Cheap runs are still runs.
7:19 — Scott Rolen is up, looking out of place in blue and gray. Winner of the pre-season straw poll: “Which 2008 Blue Jay will attempt to fight John Gibbons this year?†Scott Rolen.
7:20 — Single to the right side. Who says Giambi has no range?
7:21 — Career journeyman Matt Stairs is up and batting 5th for the Blue Jays. If that guy is in the five-hole, it’s probably not a good sign for your team.
7:23 — Stairs walks on a high curve. More silence from the Yankee faithful. Nearly 30 pitches (on a 70 pitch limit) means Jobapalooza ‘08 will be like Woodstock ‘99 - an enormous, overhyped, expensive, and dangerous letdown. Probably going to see another walk here.
7:24 — One more BB to Milwaukee castoff Lyle Overbay. Bases loaded and the bullpen already going.
7:25 — Rod Barajas (former Texas Ranger?) coming to bat.
7:26 — More Nuke LaLoosh than Walter Johnson at this point, Joba K’s Barajas. 1 IP, 1 ER, 3BB, 2K.
Quick in-commercial analysis point that in our opinion is true: When a pitcher, any pitcher, throws a lot of pitches in an inning, it’s crucial that when that pitcher’s team comes to bat, the hitters can’t go down 1-2-3. You need to give said pitcher some time to recover. Otherwise, the damage will snowball until the starter is out early and the bullpen is taxed.
7:30 - Aaaand Damon gets a triple. D’oh! The former caveman does a Pete Rose style head first slide in third.
7:31 - Jeter up. According to Kay, Halladay as a child threw against a mattress in his basement in order to build up his arm/accuracy. Mike Mussina also threw against his basement wall. Coincidence? Is the lack of young pitching in the game today really due to the fact that kids don’t throw in their parents basements any longer? Is it because they blog instead. Bissinger was right after all!
7:32 - Jeter grounds to 3B, fails to get the run in.
7:33 - Bobby Abreu up. John Sterling loves the guy. Calls him “El Como Dulce.€ No idea what it means, but it reminds me of Mussolini.
7:35 - Abreu K’s on a big slider. That’s two Yankees who fail to get the run in from first. Can you believe the team is under .500?
7:36 - When your team is counting on Alex Rodriguez to come through in a tight spot, it’s usually not a good sign. According to Kay: A-Rod is 8-38 with runners in scoring position. That’s a .211 average.
7:37 - Yeesh! A-Rod gets plunked in the back with a breaking ball. The fans rejoice, because he didn’t strike out.
7:38 - Just as we learn that Matsui is 2nd (!) in the batting title race to Josh Hamilton, he serves a pitch to LF. Tie game, 1-1.
7:38 - Up now, Jason Giambi, rocking the porn ’stache that makes him look even more dirty, if that’s even possible. If you’re in the mood to be offended, read the OnTheDL forums on some Giambi blind items. The man is more depraved than Tom Sizemore.
7:38 - The Giam-BALCO goes to the other way, drives in A-Rod. 2-1 NY.
7:39 - Robinson Cano (slowly earning the reputation of fantasy team killer) grounds out on the 1st pitch. It gave Joba enough time to rest. Can he capitalize? The chances of him going long enough to earn a “win†in this game seem slim.
7:42 - According to Joe Girardi, they’re thinking 65 pitches for Joba. That should be about 2 IP.
7:43 - Brad Wilkerson up. Kay compares Joba’s hype to that of Doc Gooden when he came up for the Mets in 1984. Let’s hope for his sake that he stays off the crack. Meanwhile, Chamberlain goes up 0-2 on Wilkerson, and then lets him back 3-2 before getting him to fly out to LF. For those paying attention at home, fly outs are usually not good.
7:44 - Yankee gnat David Eckstein batting. Joba K’s him on a fastball outside.
7:45 - Shannon Stewart up, again. Walked his first time up, flies out to RF this time around. Commercial break.
7:49 - Jose of the flying Molina brothers (it’s funny because they’re slow), comes in vs. Halladay, promptly strikes out. Meanwhile, NY is interviewing Harland Chamberlain, Joba’s father. The elder Chamberlain is confined to getting around in a motorized scooter after being stricken with polio as a child.
7:50 — Melky Caberea grounds out.
7:51 - Kim Jones, YES network’s less attractive version of Heidi Watney, is tossing Harland more softballs then Jennie Finch. Nothing too controversial, we were kind of hoping Joba’s dad would be like the baseball equivalent of all the crazy basketball moms (LeBron’s mom, Iverson’s mom, etc.) but no such luck. Damon doubles.
7:55 — Jeter flies out after a battle with Halladay. Onto more commercials.
Quick note about Halladay. In Tom Verducci’s piece from a few years ago “I Was a Toronto Blue Jay†he wrote that Roy Halladay comes to spring training with his stuff basically season ready. Three thoughts:
1. Verducci can’t be right, can he?
2. If he is right, then Halladay just has righteous natural stuff, even for a big leaguer.
3. Does this guy prepare for spring training? What is he, a rookie? Could that be the reason he’s hurt so often? Someone get Baseball Prospectus on this.
7:58 - Marco Scutaro batting, and flies to right field, and Abreu actually touches the wall while making the catch! Phillies fans shake their head in disgust.
8:00 - Walk to Alex Rios, and that’s all for Joba. His final line:
2.1 IP, 4BB, 3K, 1 ER.
The results weren’t there, but Chamberlain showed the upper-echelon stuff with velocity touching the triple digits on one occasion. Two innings and a nearly 9.00 ERA 3.86 ERA isn’t going to get it done, but he seemed to show decent flashes in, what was for Joba, an over glorified spring training game.
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June 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
It just makes no sense to do this in the middle of the season. They basically said, “Here’s a win Toronto, enjoy.”
June 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Oh, brother. Enough of the instant history, TBL, you are starting to sound like Shanoff. It’s one start. 62 pitches. Yeah, let’s give up on him entirely!
June 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am
its not over yet, but he better throw more than 32 strikes in 62 pitches in his next outing
June 4th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Nearly 9 ERA??? Isn’t 2.1 IP with one ER a 3.86ish ERA? on in that start.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:06 am
but Chamberlain showed the upper-echelon douchey fist pumps
/made more haterish
June 4th, 2008 at 11:07 am
my bad on that last sentence fragment.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
@mike NYC- intern billy wrote this. no star today billy
June 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
first of all, tbl, his era was 3.9. not anywhere close to 9. yes, he did have control issues in the first, but how many pitchers have a bad first inning? he came back adn sailed through the second. then his pitch count forced him out in the third. i think he had settled down by that point (sure, he walked rios, but he wasnt going to go the rest of the game without a walk). 3k’s in 2 plus innings. 1 earned run. settled down after the first. i dont think it was a disaster. of course im a yankees fan trying to spin this any way i can…
June 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
On the other hand, Joel Zumaya’s psychotic fist pump is classy.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:11 am
I hear ya Irish, I was just talking about a) the headline and b) the italicized intro.
Also: if everyone outside of New York is so sick of hearing about this guy, why devote an entire post and live-blog to it? Not that I personally mind …
June 4th, 2008 at 11:11 am
The Yankees can suck on my ballsack. Fuck them, and fuck Joba.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I assume you’re doing Papelbon’s irish jig while typing that?
June 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am
@ thesportshernia: if anybody watched the Tigers, I’d probably have thrown him in there as well… just kidding ya Magglio
June 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am
i believe Joba was also still posting 99mph fastball at pitch 60. that’s actually really encouraging. lay off the kid. people are buying way too much into the NY media hype surrounding this. Joba will get the last laugh.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Clearly, even though I hate the Sox as well, Paplebon is a riot. But anything that involves the Yankees sucking more dick than a Korean hooker, I’m enjoying.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:19 am
The sports hernia is a biiiigggg yankees fan. Didn’t know that. My belief that he was an impartial satirist has been shattered.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
We’re a divided staff.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
1 run in 2.1 innings is a 3.86 ERA. That’s a far cry for the 9 posited by Intern Bill, but, hey, what are facts when it’s much more fun to slam the Yanks?
The walks were high. That’s a concern, but Joba, as anyone actually watching the game could see, was way too amped up for his first MLB start. That he maintained a K/9 IP of over 11 for 65 pitches is promising.
Was it an ideal first start? No, of course not. But the only more full of fail was this live blog and the headline’s completely distorting reality.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Wow, River Ave Blues stopping by. Now that is a good baseball blog.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Mike NYC is lame. I can play too, right?
June 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am
You say true, and I say thankee.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Any other team and this wouldn’t even be news. However, this isn’t any other team and so it is nice to see the Yanks fail. I don’t hate the Yanks as much as I am just tired of hearing a whiny owner complaining about how much he thinks he knows more than his GM or Manager and then getting proved wrong.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am
What instant history? His opening start was a failure. I never said he’s suck ass or be a bust … what did Shanoff say?
June 4th, 2008 at 11:30 am
@TBL
Shanoff said he wants to screw Tebow’s butt. True story.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am
What instant history? His opening start was a failure. I never said he’s suck ass or be a bust … what did Shanoff say?
From Shanoff: MLB Instant History: Maybe Joba Chamberlain should go back to the bullpen. His first MLB start was a dud. Maybe it was all the build-up. Maybe it was his own limitations revealed. Maybe he was nervous. But Joba was largely a disappointment: In his 62-pitch quasi-limit, he couldn’t get through three innings and had more walks (4) than Ks (3).
June 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am
The 9.00 era was just changed. Thanks for the heads up. Interns and their math …
June 4th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Ha. We all know when this started and it wasn’t with me …
June 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am
What happened to less New York/Boston stories and more everyone else? Did we REALLY need a running diary of Joba’s first start, especially when the Yankees are one of the shittiest teams in baseball?
June 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I didn’t even read Shanoff — I’ve just read enough of him to know his entire schtick is baseless, knee-jerk reactions.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am
The mere thought that he should ‘go back to the bullpen’ is insane. That’s something you’ll hear radio callers saying on Mike and Mike. But they, it’s that guy’s opinion. Is he saying that to get you angry and make you leave a comment? The rest is accurate.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he threw 7 scoreless next time out. The guy has good stuff, but he was terrible last night.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am
This Joba thing was an exception. But you’re right - intern has strict orders not to pay attention to NY/Boston happenings because none of it matters.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
@Mike NYC
Hell I don’t even know when this started let alone “we all” but you are super smart so I bet you have it written down somewhere.
02-14-2008: Remember to make fun of anything Magglio ever types on The Big Lead website, gosh I hate that Magglio, what a liberal bastard.
02-15-2008: Keep being a dick.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Joba shouldn’t be starting. He should have stayed in the pen and developed his 2,3 pitches. No one has ever been succesful primarily on a heater. No matter how fast it was
June 4th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Some guy named
LynnNolan who threw a few strikeouts disagrees.June 4th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Yes I am sure the yankees would love Joba to be nothing more then a strikeout god and have only .526 win percentage.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:45 am
bottom line is that they are making him a starter. to go to the minor leagues is silly. Who do you start right now? Kennedy, he gives you just as much if not less than what Joba did yesterday? Kei Igawa? seriously? Yanks are at least going to get something out of him.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I have no problem with Joba…It is not his fault he had a pitch count of 70…my problem with this whole thing is the Yankees have decided to make one man more important than the team…this should be happening in AAA…there is no reason to start a guy if he can’t give you a 100 pitches and his backup is AAA pitcher who sucks. Brian Cashman and the Yankees have decided that Joba is more important than a win and that is what makes this a joke..I don’t care if he is a starter or reliever…If I was a Yankee fan my concern would be whether or not what Joba is doing is going to help my team win…a 62 pitch 2.1 inning start that was planned does not help your team win.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am
And they would certainly HATE for him to have a career 3.19 ERA and post 9.5 K/9 over 5386 innings, during which he wins 324 games and throws 7 no-hitters.
Seriously, why don’t you just go ahead and go die?
June 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
^ @ YYSA.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Roman, you may be the most reasonable person on this entire site. Well said.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:49 am
RWH,
I agree with your premise. It is just that they should have done that from the start of the season. Now that you are in the middle of it, you waste sending him down to the minors. It ends up hurting the team either way. Having him allow 2 runs in 2.1 innings is better than the 6 that Ian Kennedy allows.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
sparty…It just isn’t fair to the other 24 guys…the stretching out of Joba has effected the team more than last night…they took him out of his role and then gave him games where he was going to pitch a certain amount of pitched..yesterdays start being just one in the last few weeks…you took the threat of Joba away so he would pitch if the team was up or down six..not just when needed..it worked for them in one game…it is not about Kennedy sucking…Kennedy if he was pitching well yesterday would not have left that game..Joba was leaving regardless..that is not trying to win
June 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
boson sucks. just to make this a fair post.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:54 am
RWH,
I get that. It’s the Yankees, this is what the do. This is probably why they do not have a close-knit clubhouse.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:55 am
also, we have a good team this yearJune 4th, 2008 at 11:56 am
This is why you don’t do stuff like this midseason. Bring up someone else, Chase Wright, whoever. They have 4 starters, they can patchwork the 5th. The best thing they had going for them before this move was that IF the starter went 6 or 7, the game was basically over.
Now IF a starter goes 6 or 7, it doesn’t matter because the game is almost surely lost with no bridge to Mo.
I’d prefer to have the first problem over the second.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Clemens Maddux Pedro RJ> RYAN - thats just this generation. I am sure they would be more then happy if Joba has that kind of career. 27 years bunch of different teams. But I am sure they would prefer to have 10 years of solid dominance over longevity.
June 4th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Bring up someone else, Chase Wright, whoever.
I am kind of surprised that he hasn’t been given another shot. He didn’t do terrible, one really bad inning in Boston.
June 4th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
So the only way to gauge a “successful” MLB career is to have 10 years of solid dominance? Therefore, Ryan was not successful? Wow - tough crowd.
June 4th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Ryan dominated sporadically. He could pitch a no hitter but then he could also walk the bases loaded. Can’t see anyone arguing that he didn’t have a successful career though.
June 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Nolan Ryan sucked so bad the Mets traded him for Jim Fregosi…nuff said!
/sarcasm
June 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Yankees suck, theeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees suck!
June 4th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
This might have already been said, but how do you call this a failure? The Jays knew what his pitch count was and worked it to their advantage. Blame Girardi and Sweet Hank for this one. Having said that, Joba will never become a Josh Beckett. Oh, and I hate the Yankees.
June 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
If he pitched for any other team, nobody would be piling on this guy like they are right now. The transition won’t take as long as people think. See: Fausto Carmona.
Also, Joba has the kind of stuff that makes him a potential staff ace or at least a very good #2 starter. Why the hell would you want to waste him as a set-up man? Relievers fall out of trees every year…front end rotation starters with his stuff do not.