NBA Finals: To Live and Choke in LA
NBA June 13th. 2008, 9:00am
There will be several NBA posts today to recap Boston’s epic comeback in game four.
Were you like us – waiting patiently for phantom calls from the refs to help bail the Lakers out of an embarrassing collapse? The Lakers led by 18 at the break after their most complete half of the postseason, and Kobe didn’t have a basket. We urged the boozy TBL after-dark crowd to switch over to Vanilla Sky. Vegaswatch noted that some online sites were offering the Celtics at 26:1 to win. It’s too bad nothing the Celtics did in the first half portended a rally for the ages.
It wasn’t a sexy comeback full of highlight-worthy plays, but the elixir came in the form of pesky defense, a boost from the bench, and plenty of Paul Pierce, who seems to be the favorite for the MVP. A wise man mentioned to us yesterday that Pierce spent too much time focusing on the media and his return to Englewood after game two, and it showed in his wretched performance. The team’s de facto leader and spokesperson clammed up prior to game four, and then pumped in 20 points while clinging to Kobe (6-for-19) at the defensive end. Phil Jackson was powerless.
One note and one question: The Lakers bench shot 5-for-21 last night and continued its mostly horrendous play in this series. And lastly … are all those jokers who continually killed Doc Rivers as a terrible coach going to give the man his due for leading Boston to the greatest comeback in NBA Finals history? It’s such a disappointment when folks trash Rivers as a hacky coach when the Celtics lose … and then never sing his praise when he’s victorious.
(And yes, Bill Plaschke, the Lakers choked. We know you’re trying to be all cute and wordy, but if this isn’t a choke, we need to remove the word from the English language. The Lakers could taste the 2-2 series at the half and it’s not difficult to imagine them thinking, ‘well, we get this next one, and then we have two chances in Boston to lock it up.’)
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June 13th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Because if there was ever an appropriate moment for it: That Ray Allen guy? Yeah, he’s still go it. Sorry, haters.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:04 am
save the Ray Allen stuff! He’s getting his own post! (i know Pierce is the obvious MVP, but if I had a vote, it’d be Ray Allen. He’s been consistently awesome.)
June 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am
I giddily skipped over to my 7-11 this morning for coffee; the clerk who I have the wager with (he took his “boys” the Lakers) looked like he had been run over by a truck. When I asked for an explanation he replied “It’s a conspiracy” and “We’ll be back”–
Damn, I can’t wait to take his money
June 13th, 2008 at 9:07 am
I caught only the final few minutes, when Paul Pierce was jumping around like a little girl.
This is true. Good on ya, Doc.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:08 am
where’s Rumeal? we need to discuss how “terrible” Rondo is.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Wake me up around Halloween when the new season starts. Im over this shit. Lost way too much money this playoffs and i feel like Charles Barkley. No more gambling
June 13th, 2008 at 9:10 am
1st Half-Rondo wasn’t playing on bad ankle, Cetlics couldn’t hit shots.
2nd Half-Rondo back playing, Celtics started making all those shots.
not ready to give him credit for the win. nor would i have knocked him had they not cameback.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:11 am
no love for doc…sorry, but just because he puts rondo back in the game doesn’t make him a good coach, just saves him his job. Rondo is the reason they won. The minute he got back on the court the lead went from 22 to 15 in about 30 seconds. His defense on the PG really hampered what had been a pretty fluid offense for the Lakers.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I thought we all agreed that the phrase “haters” was tired and stale and not conducive to real debate. No? We’re still using it? Okay. That’s gnarly.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:12 am
@sparty- i thought you were a Piston fan? or are you a bandwagon rider?
June 13th, 2008 at 9:12 am
I also wouldn’t have knocked him had they lost. Did enough of that before this game.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:13 am
I’ll admit I’ve been very impressed by Doc. His combined abilities to keep the Celts focused on D, while generally putting good match-ups on the floor have been exactly what Boston needs, IMO.
They don’t need a guru, they just need a competent game manager. Doc has certainly fit that bill.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:13 am
I can’t wait for the conspiracy theorists to say that the NBA is somehow fixing the Finals so that the Lakers LOSE.
That’ll probably be followed by saying how David Stern set Marko Jaric up with Adriana Lima to make sure everyone forgot that the Timberwolves existed.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:13 am
i’m a piston fan, but i’m honest too.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:14 am
This has been some of the worst offensive basketball ever…I can’t even give credit to the defense because these teams are missing wide open shots. I think that is what has made this series the most difficult to watch, oh, and the wacky officiating. Still trying to figure out what a foul is. At least we all know the carry rule is still in effect.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I’m confused about why we think last night proved Rondo was a good player?
June 13th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Doc Rivers: best coach ever to be at the helm of a 19 game losing streak
June 13th, 2008 at 9:15 am
No conspiracy…just happens that these teams were really shitty and disguised it really well.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:16 am
I was so dejected after the Met game I actually went to bed at 24-7 Lakers in the first. I woke up for the 1:30 feeding to see Doc Rivers, who looked liked like the drunk guy at the wedding who loosens everything from his tie to his belt and and goes out and dances with a captain and coke in one hand and a fat bridesmaid in the other. The bottomline was broken…when I saw they won I was even more dejected that I missed a historic game. So I, in de facto, blame this on Billy Wagner. I no nothing more about the game.
Fo Shizzle
June 13th, 2008 at 9:16 am
CRM, adding a question mark only confuses our belief that you understand English. That sentence was a statement, not a question. Perhaps another 15 years of college will do you good. Ya burnt!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Did Rondo even play in the 4th?
June 13th, 2008 at 9:18 am
CRM – the first half he sat on the bench for the most part. When he got back in the offense started to flow, the Lakers offense started to stall because the PG couldn’t just run up the court uncontested. I’m not saying he’s an allstar PG now, just a lot better the what rumeal said.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:19 am
That interview with Will Smith in the 2nd quarter was difficult to watch.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:19 am
@CRM,
I think he qualifies as a very good player. Not going as far as to say he is a GREAT point guard. However, the Cetlics are a much better team when he in on the court. Especially defensively.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Wait, PurdueMatt and I agree on something? It is Friday the 13th!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:20 am
much like Hitch. but not according to JVG.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Yeah, when he said he was born in Philly, my wife immediately said “On the playground is where I spent most of my days.”
June 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
how about we don’t ever mention that interview again!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
PurdueMatt’icized
June 13th, 2008 at 9:21 am
From what I’m looking at, Rondo left in the 3rd quarter with the Celtics down 20 and never returned.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:22 am
While it’s true nobody is giving Doc any credit, nobody seems to want to blame Phil, who has done a terrible job this series.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:23 am
“Damn it feels good to be a gangster.”
-PP and rest of C’s
Wish I could stay and hang all day but have to leave office.
Celtics are gangsters. Lakers not so much.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:23 am
CRM, we have no use for your “stats” here.
If Rondo doesn’t end up with at least 10 rings, I will eat my toenails.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
the worst part was when stacy or suzie or nancy or whoever went in to whisper something to him, he thought she was going for the kiss!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
JVG saying ‘if there’s anyone funnier than Kevin James, then I want names’ was the funniest thing said all series in that ‘laughing at you not with you’ kinda way.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:25 am
/if only namath had been so lucky
June 13th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Don’t tell David Stern. They’re trying to shed that image.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:25 am
@NSR- i agree with you on that
June 13th, 2008 at 9:26 am
then what the hell was I watching…?
June 13th, 2008 at 9:26 am
What is phil going to do? He’s has put the right guys on the court at the right time, they just suck balls. Odom completely disappears, what’s he going to do, put Turiaf in. Celts are playing great D on Kobe. Not really much adjusting that can be done. Sure Gasol and Odom could be more agressive, but that would lead to some pretty bad officiating.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Rondo was also -10 last night…
June 13th, 2008 at 9:27 am
here
June 13th, 2008 at 9:27 am
@NSR
Phil is a genius when it comes to TOs.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:29 am
@Nick P – That’s all I needed to see. Rondo for MVP.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:29 am
I think Phil should have tried going with a big lineup. Put Pau on Perkins, Turiaf on Garnett, Odom on Pierce, Kobe on Boston’s PG, and Fisher/Sasha on Allen.
If Odom disappears it’s not necessarily Odom’s fault. Can’t Phil assert himself a little and get back to what worked in the 1st quarter? It just seemed like he had no answers last night.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Then again, I believe Janero Pargo is a certifiable star, so what do I know?
June 13th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Lakers & Western Conference “superiority”. HA HA HA HA.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:30 am
@nick p- Statician is your calling in life
@sparty- captain obvious today huh
June 13th, 2008 at 9:30 am
@CRM: + jew star
June 13th, 2008 at 9:30 am
irishmafia
should have put sarcasm there
June 13th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Save it for the Phil Jackson post!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Wow. I got a jew star. Excuse me while I hit Print Screen and show everyone in my office.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I’m just shocked, I can’t even really remember how they came back, there was no huge run, no huge plays, just grinding away. Great line from the Stein article on espn.
“With six losses in his past seven Finals games, Kobe is on the brink of a second successive five-game exit in the championship round. Something you won’t find on MJ’s resume, obviously.”
June 13th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Jesus, TBL. Just put up all the basketball posts at once and let us leave our player/coach-specific comments in the appropriate comment sections.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:33 am
i need more coffee…
June 13th, 2008 at 9:33 am
CRM, you should’ve live-blogged when you got a jew star
June 13th, 2008 at 9:34 am
i need more Rondo…
/it’s got what Spartans need
June 13th, 2008 at 9:35 am
What TBL means is that we should stop talking about sports and start clicking on ads.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:37 am
CRM, you owe me a new keyboard. Cause I just spit coffee all over mine when I read this.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Thanks for the memories of 2004. That was a complete slaughter. The Lakers never had any measurable lead in any game. They were clearly the inferior team.
Somewhere Shaq is laughing is fat ass off. I think the Lakers win game 5, but lose in 6.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Good for the “big 3″, I may hate every one of them but this will at least validate all of the years KG hype and makes HOF for Ray Allen a lock. PP goes from selfish chucker to a great defender and clutch player and most likely finals MVP.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:45 am
/reality’ized
June 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am
dammit. should read:
June 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
So do we think Kobe finally misses Shaq?
June 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am
June 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am
ok, got more coffee. Rajon Rondo is a fucking turd. good thing he was on the bench in the 4th quarter….
June 13th, 2008 at 9:49 am
i think TBL should put a ✡ in the body of every post so that people can copy and paste it into their posts as needed
June 13th, 2008 at 9:53 am
@kfc- that is the stupidest thing you have ever said on this site
June 13th, 2008 at 9:53 am
June 13th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Phil is fucking over Kobe, because Kobe is fucking over everyone he has ever been involved with. Has there ever been a more easy to hate star… minus LeDouchiestDoucheEvar.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Definitely passed out in the 3rd quarter with the Lakers up 20, wake up at 1 eastern and find out the Lakers choked, couldn’t believe it.
TBL, you impressed me so far, no LeBron talk in this post. After looking through the comments last night thought for sure you would shove him in here somehow. Please don’t disappoint me by having a post later that says this proves LeBron is better than Kobe. LeBron isn’t in this series and hence irrelevant right now.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:55 am
@irish
+✡
June 13th, 2008 at 9:55 am
@sparty: 2 jew stars
June 13th, 2008 at 9:57 am
@cbh- he was beating around the bush with that subject last night. Im surprised you missed that. He clearly said that Kobe is the best shooting guard in the league and left it at that.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:58 am
fantastic, my father will be proud!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:58 am
thanks irish. i know i can count on you to let me know when i am out of my element.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:01 am
@irish: Don’t be a â–¡
June 13th, 2008 at 10:01 am
CBH, Maggs seems to think he’s relevant and we can’t go one ballin post without somehow mentioning the Cavs lest the lord strike us down, sooooo
Ilgauskas > Gasol
June 13th, 2008 at 10:03 am
You guys know they were selling shirts in LA that said Gasoft on them. That is classic. Gasol is the prime example of a “soft” center. Greg Oden will show us more in the upcoming year on how to be a soft bitch
June 13th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I am not relevant? What did I do? I say I say damn you ohio fat tards I say.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:06 am
He’s not only soft, he has no shot whatsoever. If its not a wide open layup or dunk he has virtually no chance of making it. That final Ray Allen layup, Gasoft (I definitely like that) was supposed to rotate over and help on that.
@Maggs, I meant that you were the one to bring up LeGlobal.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:08 am
It’s not that Gasol is soft – it’s just that Kobe is
comparison.
For example: No one chokes as hard as Kobe.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Watching the game last night I told ny brother this isn’t good because I noticed after half time Lamar and Pau were not as aggressive. Kobe wasn’t the Kobe we needed him to be. He played a good game but he didn’t attack like he did in game 3. When the game got tight Boston continued to sorround him and the guys who were so confident when they were up big in the first couldn’t hit a shot anymore.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Nick P: looks like it’s time to reconsider your choice for Prez
June 13th, 2008 at 10:10 am
@nick p- 2007 NBA finals. you need to re watch that series
June 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Yes, what exactly has LeBron accomplished? How many Finals games has he won? TBL stands for the The Big LeBron on this site.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Off by one point:
http://thebiglead.com/?p=6222#comment-188156
June 13th, 2008 at 10:11 am
So I can now taunt my friend who gave me odds and the Celtics right? I mean if they lose three straight to the Lakers, two of which would be at home, well that would be an epic collapse that the New England region could not handle, it would be like an undefeated Patriot team losing . . .come to think of it, I hope I lose my bet now. Go Lakers.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:12 am
golf clap DR C
June 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am
DrC, you must be pretty flexible to go down on yourself like that.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am
So fucking sick of Boston sports teams winning titles.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:14 am
No matter what Kobe does it gonna be damn near impossible to be a team that is better if guys don’t make timely shots. Jordan is the goat but he had guys who hit timely shots.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:16 am
No matter what Kobe does it gonna be damn near impossible to beat a team that is better if guys don’t make timely shots. Jordan is the goat but he had guys who hit timely shots.
corrected
June 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am
every big city gets a hot streak. unless that city is Philly.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Not every big city is filled with Massholes.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:19 am
The difference is that the Cavs were destined to lose to a superior team. The “experts” picked the Lakers to win easily versus Boston.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Good job Dr. C. Too bad you predicted Kevin Garnett would be a monster.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:21 am
@jack,
if philly ever wins something again, it will be worse than this
June 13th, 2008 at 10:22 am
@nick p – at least you called the Celtics winning this title right? call yourself an expert and a statician from now on
June 13th, 2008 at 10:22 am
I had C’s in 6. Looks like it may be 5, though.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:23 am
@Coop: after seeing your Facebook picture, I knew I could pull it off.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:23 am
@CRM: Yeah..not so much
June 13th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Seeing how this series has gone, and considering the way the Lakers waltzed through the West and the Celtics had to battle through two seven-game series and a 6er, maybe, maybe the West wasn’t that much better than the East. I’m just sayin’.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:25 am
if the Celtics are gonna win, I would rather see them win it in LA. I cannot stand to see ESPN do that damn pull-away shot each time someone makes a 3 for Boston.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Also: great title to the post. “To Live and Die in L.A.” is one of the most underrated movies of the last thirty years.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:44 am
the 3rd quarter was huge in this game. LA got outscored 31-15 and that gave Boston the momentum imo
June 13th, 2008 at 10:44 am
I don’t like the 2-3-2 format. That being said, I’d like to see this thing get closed out if it’s not going to go seven like I predicted. Wilbon made the comment that we’re at the point where both teams know Bos is the better team, and I agree with him. Let’s be done with it…I’m not getting enough early Summer fucking bullshit NFL coverage from espn anyway…grrrrrr
June 13th, 2008 at 10:48 am
This has to be the best somment yet:
Doc Rivers, who looked liked like the drunk guy at the wedding who loosens everything from his tie to his belt and and goes out and dances with a captain and coke in one hand and a fat bridesmaid in the other.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Bill Plaschke hates paragraphs longer than one sentence.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:00 am
i hate bill plaschke.. what a stupid stupid column