The Roundup: The Scary Non-Celebrity Laker Fans
Athletes and Celebrities, Baseball, Blogging, Media Gossip/Musings, Music, NBA, Other College Sports, Soccer, Video June 17th. 2008, 8:00am
Does it get any better than Sophia Bush and Minka Kelly hanging out together? … in case you care, the financial documents of McCain and Obama … what a mess … we have a half-baked theory about this urbanization thing that’s going on, but it’s too out there to print at this moment … Bush is not quite the baller Barry is … after the jump, a month-old video of Javon Walker partying at Body English in the Hard Rock.
Thanks goodness we’re here in America … where bloggers aren’t getting arrested. (BBC)
Not all Lakers fans are celebrities. (Joe Sports Fan)
Some soccer players who deserve a look-see from national coach Bob Bradley. (Yankee Hooligan)
A non-Boston view of Manny Ramirez. (Philly Daily News)
Yes, the Celtics need Rondo to show up in game six. (CBS Sports)
Is the Phillies pitching a reason the Mets still have a shot? (Hot Foot)
Whomever requested it, here’s your link to Fresno State baseball; the Bulldogs are a nice little story. (USA Today)
Recently-deceased announcer Charlie Jones had a blog. (Charlie Jones on Sports via SI)
Presented without comment: Alicia Keys said that Gangsta Rap was created by the Government. (Blender)
The dreadful Mariners fire their GM. (USS Mariner)
Big Papi grabs sushi with cradle-robber James Woods. (Red Sox Monster)
A final word on the Kobe/Jordan debate. (Tirico Suave)
Javon Walker a month ago in Vegas (You Been Blinded)
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June 17th, 2008 at 8:08 am
so the government created NWA, Ice Cube, Snoop….what a fucking idiot. If she had said that the government was giving guns to gangsters I’d probably be more inclined to listen, but gangster rap.
If she bothered to look at the history of rap it’s quite obvious that gangster rap was just a mutation of what rap originally started as. Dammit, what a fucking idiot.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:08 am
“They gave me gonorrhea”
“Who? The Government?“
June 17th, 2008 at 8:11 am
My half-baked theory: people who wanted to pretend to be home-owners took insanely stupid loans to make it so. Additionally, people who could afford homes but wanted to roll like the dbags on MTV Cribs took out interest only mortgages. Both groups of people failed. And now it’s my fault and will be the responsibility of you and I to bail them out. In the meantime, the aforementioned parasites are crawling back to their parents’ homes or, if they’re so fortunate, an apartment that actually is within their means.
That’s my half-baked theory.
I would actually love to read TBL’s theory, as I doubt it would be infinitely more interesting than the cnn.com story.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:11 am
TBL, I want to hear your “half-baked theory about this urbanization thing that’s going on.”
/being serious
June 17th, 2008 at 8:12 am
still didn’t see a real lakers sports fan. Not a playoff fan anyways. Tonight you will see the real lakers fans, the ones that travel to Boston to cheer for their team. The celebs have already given up.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:12 am
And Alicia Keys is apparently drinking the same Kool Aid as Reverend Wright, Barack Hussein Obama’s esteemed “spiritual advisor”.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:13 am
give it to us TBL….three of us makes enough reason to hear your half-baked theory.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Has any kind of bail-out program been proposed or enacted yet? I really hope there are serious consequences and these people don’t get out of their debts without paying them back.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Manny’s tamed antics are definitely due to his contract status. I don’t think anyone has ever questioned his work ethic. If you ever hear one of his teammates being interviewed that is one of the things they always talk about. The guys doe sput in the work. His contract being up this year is definitely a reason for him to be on the straight and narrow though.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:19 am
I don’t think Barry Hussein can throw a strike from the pitchers mound like GW can.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:19 am
How do you dog Rondo for playing poorly when the rest of the team sucked balls as well. Even PP has been terrible up til game 5, and the excuse was he looked hurt. For Freeman to call out Rondo after one bad game is pretty lame, especially when all 5 games have been terrible and no one has been playing well.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:20 am
The Government is responsible for Soul Plane and Undercover Brother too.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Whoa, did it just get political in here?! Who started it? Just for the record, it was a blowhard.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:24 am
@412
Well said.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:24 am
i believe chris dodd took the bailout thing to the senate. not sure though, as i’m way too tired to look it up this morning.
to all those people that thought the refs would let the lakers win tonight…looks like God wants them to win because of the perkins injury, rondo’s vagina hurting, the celtics plane debacle, and ray allen’s kid being in the hospital.
david stern > God > the refs
June 17th, 2008 at 8:30 am
TBL is still throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. Dude’s a mad scientist.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Not mentioned in that “The Mets still have a shot” link: None of the Phillies starters have missed their turn this year. They are the only team in MLB where that is so.
And a Met fan questioning Brad Lidge’s performance needs to take a long look at their own closer, who might be the most overrated relief pitcher of the last 5 – 7 years. Call me when Wagner does something when it counts.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Best part of SportsCenter this morning was when they were talking about Willie Randoph’s job being safe while the Alert scrolled below saying he’d been fired.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Billy Wagner came through big when he crashed during the ESPN/SI traffic surge yesterday
June 17th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Javon is popping bottles like he won a championship game
June 17th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Brace yourselves for another productive day of work today when the LeBatard chat starts and “Billy Wagner” wets the bed again.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Random (SFW)
June 17th, 2008 at 8:48 am
yardwork should be fantastic. between the Mets firing Willie at 3am and Hank Steinbrenner and Mike Mussina whining about how grown men in the AL do not know how to run in a circle, good stuff…
June 17th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Can I have a word with you?/
Trevor Hoffman
June 17th, 2008 at 8:50 am
I’m not sure I follow your logic there Alicia, the gov invented gansta rap to convince black people to kill each other, but then assassinated Tupac/Biggie even though their message was hustling and killing black people.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Thread jack – anyone see Showtime last night: “Diary of a Call Girl” and the new season of “Weeds”? Good, good stuff.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:57 am
i didnt even know there was a new season of weeds starting already? i just got done watching season 3.
fuck and yes.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I don’t give a shit about what she says, but a thick-ass Alicia Keys was looking pretty good in Smokin’ Aces.
June 17th, 2008 at 8:59 am
You’re right clown.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:09 am
people who wanted to pretend to be home-owners took insanely stupid loans to make it so.
You do realize how stupid this statement is, don’t you? The financial institutions are supposed to make sure people aren’t taking out large loans they have no hope of repaying. That’s why they have an approval process. The banking industry just changed the rules in mid-stream and most people weren’t told how bad these loans could get.
I’m not saying the people aren’t to blame, but the lion’s share of the blame has to go on predatory lenders who weren’t forthright with their customers.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Billie Piper for PM Roundup (the chick from diary of a call girl and apparently a TBL favorite)
June 17th, 2008 at 9:15 am
August – that doesn’t make the statement stupid. It makes it half-right.
Okay that is all.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Billie Piper!
June 17th, 2008 at 9:21 am
@August West – I agree with 1 Happy Street. I don’t think the majority of the blame should go to predatory lenders. If anything, it should be 50/50. Sure, some lenders weren’t forthright with the borrowers, but it’s the borrowers’ responsibility to be sure they’re getting a loan they’ll have a snowball’s chance in hell of paying back. At least it’s partially the borrowers’ responsibility.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:22 am
The urbanization trend is great. In a few decades maybe America will be like Europe and we’ll have better cities. Maybe.
I don’t think everyone realizes just how devastating a foreclosure is on a person. You don’t just lose your home and have to pay off the remaining debt. After foreclosure, the IRS considers the remaining unpaid value of that home to be income in that year, and you have to pay taxes on it. Imagine you’re some guy making 40k a year and suddenly for one year you’re taxed on 400k of income. After you’ve already fallen deep into debt trying to stay afloat. Foreclosure essentially guarantees bankruptcy, loss of virtually all of your assets. It’s a terrible, terrible thing.
That is why people are talking about bailouts. It’s not that they took these bad debts and have to pay them (they absolutely should), it’s that foreclosure is pretty close to a Game Overin a modern capitalist society where your credit rating takes decades to acquire, but only days to ruin.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:23 am
If I am in Billy Wagner hell..you all might as well be in “Billy Wagner” hell..good luck with the live chat..I am sure it will wind up being taped in front of a studio audience
June 17th, 2008 at 9:27 am
@ASF: how was bonaroo man? what shows did you see?
June 17th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Well said xv43. While I hate the fact that I have to pay for others stupidity, I understand that the greater good (economically and socially) is served if the gov helps people out.
Yeah ATL, no report, I heard Pearl Jam was great and Kayne was a dick.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:30 am
someone making 40k deserves the brunt of foreclosure if that someone took out a 400k loan.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:30 am
At least it’s partially the borrowers’ responsibility.
I agree with that, but these predatory lenders were really, really good at selling these loans on stated income (and at places like Countrywide agents were busted on the phone telling their customers to lie since no proof was needed). It’s hard to ask a random person off the street to spot when their lending agent is about to cornhole them…
June 17th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I am not going to link it here, but the Washington Post just finished up a 3-part series on the housing crisis from the beginning to where it is now. I suggest that you all take a look at it.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:35 am
August – Your argument is basically “people are stupid and can’t be held responsible”. Sorry if this sounds insensitive, but if you’re dumb enough to buy into everything some dope in a JC Penney suit working at Countrywide sells you it’s not my problem.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Benji/Coop – I’m writing a blog post now about it. It was phenomenal. Pearl Jam put on one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. 3 hours, and it was supposed to be 1.5-2hrs. I’ll see if TBL can link up to it when I finish.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Okay…that does sound insensitive. I’ll tell you what, when your house is foreclosed I’ll buy you a Happy Meal. If you promise to pick up an application while we’re at the golden arches. Good day.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:40 am
some dope in a JC Penney suit working at Countrywide
I’ll tell you what, when your house is foreclosed I’ll buy you a Happy Meal
on fire this morning 412.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:41 am
@412: like it or not, it is your problem when an entire segment of the banking industry sets out to deceive the public like this… it’s the same principal shifts that started the Great Deression.
You can’t just let those people twist in the wind without it wrecking more of the economy. Just keeping your head in the sand will get you fucked.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Lot’s of people lied about their income and were approved for lier’s loans. I think the lenders/borrowers winked .. then lost.
I also want to hear that theory too nutty for print. I had read an article, I believe I jumped from TBL, in the Atlantic on this same “suburb to urban” shift.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Raiders’ Walker apparent victim of robbery, found unconscious
Link
June 17th, 2008 at 9:41 am
412, Deep down I feel the same way, you fucked up, not my problem. Unfortunately I’m going to be selling my house in 2 years and I’d like to at least break even, so its my problem. I was mowing my neighbors grass for a year (finally sold it), so it is my problem. My taxes are going up because there are empty houses not paying taxes, so it is my problem.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:42 am
The government is at fault for everything.
/August West
/Alicia Keys
June 17th, 2008 at 9:43 am
i saw Pearl Jam play a 5 plus hour concert. it was awesome. they put on an awesome show. Eddie Vedder is the MAN.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Anyone who has been through the closing process on a house knows that there are about 50 mandatory disclosure forms that the buyer must sign. Maybe the buyer didn’t understand them, maybe they really thought they could get a $500,000 loan for $1,000 a month and there were no strings attached (just click on the dancing ad!) but that’s part of the game called life. The last thing a bank or lender wants to do is take ownership of a foreclosed property. Evicting a distraught home owner, listing a home with a realtor, and taking a beating on the resale/auction are not good business, so banks will do everything in their power to keep that owner in the home.
XV – a person will not have to claim the unpaid principal as income. There are only two ways that there is a tax consequence on a foreclosure. The cancellation of debt by a lender can sometimes be considered taxable, and if there is a gain on the disposition of the house (and you’ve lived there less than 2 out of the past 5 years) then that is taxed. So either paying tax on your gain or maybe paying tax on the lender eating a large chunk of debt is very different from adding 400k to your 1040 income.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:45 am
The last thing a bank or lender wants to do is take ownership of a foreclosed property.
You really haven’t studied this crisis very much have you? Click here and start reading.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Coop and August – Yeah, I do get it that, like it or not, it will be “my problem”. It just pisses me off, because I’ve been saving from the day I started working (when I was 14…23 yrs ago), live within my means, and I bothered to educated myself about the mortgages available to me and read every word of fine print before agreeing to anything. And now, I’m responsible for those who chose not to be responsible.
Oh well…welcome to America 2008.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:52 am
And, lastly, before I get back to actual work…
Sophia Bush >>> Jessica Simpson
June 17th, 2008 at 9:52 am
irish – I enjoyed your Weezy/Bird Man reset about 35 comments ago.
That is all.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:53 am
@412
I 100% agree with that. I’ve been busting my ass since I was 14… bought my 1st car with money I saved refereeing soccer games, never got a credit card, worked my way through school and worked hard as hell to get a talent-based scholarship… It pisses me off that we’ve gotten to this point, but we’re here and we can’t turn our backs or else we’re all screwed.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:54 am
@Dirty, from wikipedia:
The vast majority of residential loans fall into this category.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I just closed on my first house this last Friday. I am one of those people that benefited from this bubble burst because the house we purchased was worth less because of all the foreclosures on the market. Our broker was saying that things like this are actually good for the economy and market in the long run because it weeded out all the people who did have shady loans and were living way beyond their means. This also lets people like me who do live within their budget, get their feet inside the door.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:56 am
The government is at fault for everything.
/August West
/Alicia Keys
Who else you think is putting the AIDS in our chicken nuggets? U niid to edukate yo-sef, yo.
June 17th, 2008 at 10:02 am
@pkiguy: I don’t know that it’s good for the economy, but it’s definitely necessary in the long run in the sense that it’s collapsing the bubble that had formed. But ideally, that bubble shouldn’t have formed in the first place.
June 17th, 2008 at 10:05 am
What a waste of time that Phillies’ pitching article was. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t trade the Phillies staff for the Mets staff. And if any team is making a run at the Phils, it’s the Braves, not the Mets.
June 17th, 2008 at 10:07 am
xv43, I completely agree that the bubble shouldn’t have formed like this in the first place, but this was due in large part to bad practices by lending firms and banks. I think Greenspan dropped the ball here on this one and he does share some of the blame here.
June 17th, 2008 at 10:23 am
@XV – from the IRS:
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=174034,00.html
Not to get into some nerdy pissing contest over taxes, but non-recourse loans are when the property is used as collateral (which is the case in the vast majority of loans). The lender forecloses on the property and has to eat the difference between FMV and the loan balance, and there is no taxable income to the individual.
If for some reason you didn’t secure the loan with the property, then yes, you would be on the hook to the IRS for the forgiven debt and you would still have the property.
Education, bitches!
June 17th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Well okay!