The Idea of Superconferences in College Football
College Football June 24th. 2008, 1:32pm
Every year during the doldrums of summer, the topic seems to pop up: How about some college football realignment? The BCS Sucks! chatter usually dies down in the months following the fraudulent National Championship game, but everyone still wants a competitive landscape, and in our effort to tackle the issue, Intern Parrish riffs off of the Orlando Sentinel’s “Superconference” idea.
Tim Stephens of the Orlando Sentinel has proposed creating “super conferences” consisting of 16 teams in each conference that would blend the big six into the bigger 4. While I like his thinking, this will never happen. There could be some tweaking of the conferences that would help create a more competitive atmosphere. As it is right now, the Big 10 has 10 schools that are borderline useless and one juggernaut, the Big 12 has half a conference after you weed out the crap, and the Pac 10 needs two more teams.
While I agree that conference supremacy is cyclical I am not too sure that the Big 10, Pac 10 or the Big 12 will be competing with the SEC anytime soon on a year-to-year basis. Each of the conferences has dead weight (Baylor anyone?) or it is top heavy. I am proposing something less dramatic than Stephens;. Something that could be feasible.
First let’s discuss Notre Dame. The Irish will never join a conference unless it is mandated by Congress (or God). They make too much money – even when awful – for them to join a conference, so the Irish remain independent.
But what the Big 10 could do is add Cincinnati. The Bearcats have a great coach in Brian Kelly and this would enable the Big 10 to have 12 teams and hopefully prevent a team from winning the league without having played the best teams in the conference.
The Big East could then add Florida Atlantic so that they could continue putting out mediocre teams who don’t play anyone of substance (angry WVU fans send email to thebiglead@gmail.com).
The Big 12 needs to drop Baylor and drop them fast. Yes, they are good at tennis and track. Good for them. They could then add Houston to the mix. Houston has a large enrollment and would be able to recruit with the big boys due to their location. This means, however, that you would need to shift the structure of the Big 12.
I suggest putting Kansas State and Kansas in the South (call it another name if the geography bothers you) and take Oklahoma and Oklahoma State up North. To keep classic games alive they could do what the SEC does and have natural rivals. OU would play Texas every year no matter what while Kansas State would do likewise with Nebraska.
The Pac 10 could add any number of schools should they choose. BYU, Boise State, Fresno State or UNLV would be good choices, but you could only choose two and I would take BYU and UNLV. Both have the ability to compete with the giants of the Pac-10 after a few years of recruiting.
This would mean that five out of the six BCS conferences would have 12 teams and the NCAA could mandate that during a 12-game season you must play nine conference games (like the Pac 10 already does). This would weed out some of the crap that the SEC, Big 10 and other conferences do in terms of non conference scheduling.
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June 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
How dare you!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
But what the Big 10 could do is add Cincinnati. The Bearcats have a great coach in Brian Kelly and this would enable the Big 10 to have 12 teams and hopefully prevent a team from winning the league without having played the best teams in the conference.
Right idea, wrong team. The Big 10 should throw gobs of money at Pittsburgh.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Or they could just institute a playoff.
I know, crazy thought.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Gobs of $ is not necessary.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
hahahaha okay
big ten wont get pitt because penn state is afraid to play them
June 24th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
As soon as they fire that douchebag Dave Wannstedt.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
But what about the ACC?
/they’re a real conference, right?
June 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Ford: So first you argue that you can’t pass on a dominant offensive player for the No. 1 pick, even though a dominant defender like Greg Oden is on the board. Then you argue that you should pass on a dominant offensive player like Michael Beasley for the No. 1 pick because defense wins championships.
So what are you going to argue next? That Kevin Durant, the guy who hasn’t played a minute of defense in high school, college or the pros, will become the perfect defensive 4 for the new millennium. Crap … you already did that. Is Paula Abdul now making your arguments, Bill?
It is funny to read Simmons getting called out for his constant flip flopping.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
there will be no major changes in CFB until the BCS stops being a cash cow for all the major conferences. a lot of things should change but they wont for the sole reason is that the current system makes a shit load of cash
June 24th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Shanoff has spoken. It is, predictably, pretty weak stuff.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
motherfucker
June 24th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Or maybe his audience is me, a guy who no clue what sportsjournalist.com. KSK and all this other blog crap is. I just like to read the site because the commenters are fun to rapport with and TBL responds to them, that is all.
I feel like this is being made way more complicated than it needs to be and the self importance of most of these people is quite irritating.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I should say I also like the topics TBL covers, but I guess that could go without saying, plus it makes the work day breeze by usually.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
sounds like the blogger from Page 2 is a lil jealous of the guy from Page 3.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
The Big 10 will add Rutgers before they add Cincy, Pitt, or any other team from the Big East. They’d much rather expand their reach to east coast than keep adding teams from the midwest.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
shanoff = joke, not worth wasting time on
id love to see a b10 playoff (with an added team like Cincy or Pitt).
June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Amen CBH, I lost interest long ago.
Iggy, the B10 isn’t going to add Rutger, they’re just going to steal their coach.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Isn’t Shanoff the same guy who was pushing Leitch for Reilly’s old job at SI and had “Awful Announcing” as “in” and TBL as “out” on some end of year list?
Sounds to me as though he’s a guy with an obvious hard-on for TBL. Watch your cornhole, Jason!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
If there’s any doubt that Shanoff wants to ass-rape Leitch, please read this.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
these are all fine ideas but none are close to feasible. maybe a couple of them are possible but not likely.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
shanoff comes across as a douche and he seems to be doing the same thing tbl did, speaking for other people. deadspin always uses the ‘we’ to refer to the ediotrs, i dont think he was trying to speak for other people.
and you cant claim to clean up your act and run a post today calling someone a douche in the headline
/.02
June 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Really? I always got the impression that they embraced the midwestern image of their conference. I may be wrong, I don’t live in the midwest, but that’s what I thought.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
@ 412 have you read lozo’s piece on leitch’s comments about tbl?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish, OK?
/Curb’d
June 24th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Shanoff is a complete idiot, and calling his contention that, “McIntyre as an empty apple-polisher who lacks a position of authority or respect among his peers” is exactly how I’d describe Shanoff himself.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
guys one of the paralegals here sells cherries from her farm and i bought a bunch today. they are so juicy. all i need now is a hobbit singing to me while i send people off to the slaughter and my day is complete.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Yes, jb49ers, I did read Lozo’s piece. Good work!
So…Shanoff is cheezyweezy, cheezyweezy is Shanoff. It’s all coming together now.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Rutgers would not want to leave the Big East, not with all the bowl bonuses they get for racking up wins against mediocre competition.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
The Wake-up Call formerly the Morning Quickie…
June 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I think I’m becoming allergic to cherries, and it’s ruining my summer.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
So Shanoff talks all that shit but curiously still has TBL linked on the right hand side, if he has such a beef, why the link? He is still tasting Leitchs taint juice from the qoute Mike NYC posted.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Re: The Idea of Superconferences in College Football – If there’s not going to be a playoff and BCS participants are going to be decided by conference champions, then every conference should have a championship game.
Re: Lozo’s piece – Superbly and eloquently stated retort. TBL doesn’t need to respond via a post to Leech. Leech can go off to his new job and disappear.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
im sorry how is it superb or eloquent to start off criticzing someones spelling and syntax?
this is all super juvenile
June 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
This is the stupidest post I have ever fucking read. One juggernaut in the Big Ten? Juggernauts don’t lose, the Big Ten will come around and it is cyclical, just as LSU never used to win about 15 years ago so go licck one big you intern tool.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Wow Shanoff is an idiot.
For the record TBL:
I come here for stories that I can’t get in the midwest
I come here for banter with commenters
I come here because (and I don’t know why) you show up in the comments, and interact with your readers, like your still on ground leve with all of us
I come here because 10 posts a day make my day shorter at work.
So in all reality, this is the place i come to make my boring work life easier, I love sports, and I get to make stupid comments about stuff that doesn’t matter and sometimes people respond to that comment and all of a sudden :30 minutes are gone. So I’m happy you have a fun blog that doesn’t always cover sports, but mostly sports. I like my occassional bikini, political, and random story. As far as I’m concerned (since I read one blog only) you speak for me because I seem to agree with what’s on your page.
We need like a commenters hoooo haaaa or a ranting sign off.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
The Spartans will be juggernaut number 2, you’ll see.—-I have been saying a variation of this ever since beating Florida in the Citrus bowl 9 years ago.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
To be honest I’ve never read anything at deadspin or any other really popular sports blog. I come here cause TBL has interesting posts and the commenters are funny as hell.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Blog Fight = GAY
June 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
this just in…OSU got commits from another 2 recruits brining their 2009 class to 22 4 and 5 star recruits (along with 8 in the rival top 100 – no other school has 5) in JUNE.
CockRod has a lot of work to do.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
The retort in it’s whole, in my opinion, was superb and eloquently stated. I hate fools like you that pick out one minor part of a whole to attempt to discredit the main idea. Read Lozo’s entire peice and focus on the entire retort. Unless he was using that fact to point out that Leech should edit his own stuff before trying to be Blogfather, Lozo’s grammar policing was childish. However, he broke the entire rant by Leech down into sections and was able to point out hipocrasy. You are obviously too immature to do the same with Lozo’s response.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
+1 nwilson26 / jb49ers
I like sports.
I like to read about sports related stuff.
I like to comment a little and TBL showing comment love is nice.
I DO NOT like to read 1000 word essays demonstrating someones cheeky cleverness to themselves disguised as a sports blog post.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
like Leitch, Shanoff can have his opinion. but shit man, the character assassination was little over the top.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Who the fuck is Dan Shanoff? Where did he come from? Is his blog even popular? He gets mentioned all the time on here but he is completely under my radar. After reading what he wrote today, I’m sure I will never look at his blog ever again. And no, it’s not just because I’m a TBL reader, it’s because he’s a horrible writer.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
June 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
why is everyone wasting their time on shanoff? the guy is a douche, this has been known for awhile, and does anyone read that garbage he shills off as the Quickie? come on now.
TBL rocks, Deadspin sucks since it moved to Gawker, and Leitch was sprayin’ and prayin’ as he backed out the door. done deal…now back to business. lebron is better than kobe because…
June 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
June 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I’m sure OSU’s recruits will assist greatly in their next national championship game loss.
And I love the fact that OSU folks are actually worried about RichRod. You idiots never gave a shit about Lloyd.
Keep pretendin’, baby.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
@spencer
Yay!
But can any of them run fast? I mean National Champion fast?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I have Deadspin on an RSS feed, but I follow a headline there maybe once a day, if that. I’ve never even bothered to register an account because there’s no real commentary, just a bunch of people trying to one-up each other with jokes, most of which fall completely flat.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
because lebron doesnt know was shaq’s ass tastes like?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
^f’ed that quote up
June 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
theyll run better than 6-6, Motor City Bowl fast, that’s for sure.
and hell yes im worried about Dick Rod. Lloyd was a puppydog.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Tend to agree with this. Now, to the batcave to put together a humdinger about some guy named Dan Shanoff!
June 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
no one is worried about richrod, not this season at least
June 24th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
maggs, don’t be so sensitive. He meant Big 10 “juggernaut” in a mid-major way.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I seriously doubt Michigan would want to tangle with Cinci TBL.
Especially after Appy State cut off them nuts last year.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The Big 10 loves the midwest until the Big Ten network was formed and they need to show a bigger market hence the Rutgers rumors. Rutgers is just the type of school the Big Ten can take in, split the Philly/New York markets and not good enough to be a threat to win anything. As an RU alum I would be sad to see it happen but it is not a crazy idea.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
GOD I hate all of you buck fans. It must feel so good to lose so convincingly year after year on the national stage. I would be proud of them if I were you. They have earned it. It is hard to be that terrible year in and year out with that amount of talent.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
everyone in the Big Ten needs to be worried about Javon Ringer. 1800 yards, 17 TDs. you read it here first.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Oh, and Leitch, like the “great” state of Ohio, sucks.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
sparty MSU should hopefully take a big step forward this yr—the b10 needs teams like the spartans to get back to the top of the conference. same thing goes to wisky iowa etc…
June 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Mags…youre damn right im proud of them getting the NC the last 2 years. it’s better than losing and being an afterthought like Michigan. you’re proud of losing? good for you.
UM has the same fucking talent. what has UM amounted to in the last decade with arguably the same talent OSU has? nothing. jack shit. Michigan would be the ultimate place talent goes to die if Clemson, Florida State and Alabama didn’t exist.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
ive read it multiple places…but youre damn right.
have fun beating the Winged Douchebags this year.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Exactly my point. Keep talking, boys and girls. I don’t think people in scarlet and gray are exactly excited by RichRod’s arrival.
Karma, people, karma.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Hey now lets focus on the real issue, no more muddling it up with OUS v. UM banter
June 24th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Wow man what the fuck happened to Florida State? Did Bowden just forget how to coach, the Noles used to be a force in the 90’s.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
GYD…im worried about RichRod, but karma? for what? having one bad egg in the last 8 years?
for me, the karma has already been paid back. Michigan goes outside the family to bring in some douchebag who’s done nothing but sully the reputation of the program in his first months on the job. RR is an awesome coach, and as a football mind, he’s got my respect but he aint doing anything for at least a few years because of personnel, and even then, is Michigan the destination it once was?
plus, whether you like to admit it or not, OSU is a top 3 football destination. look at the recruits. it’s an uphill battle, and wish RichRod nothing but the worst of luck.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I thought the big rumor was that the Big Ten was trying to pursuade Mizzou to jump from the Big XII. It kind of made sense since they already have a natural rivarly with Illinois.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
you look at recruiting rankings and FSU is prennially in the top 15, but bowden isn’t hands on. he rides around in his golf cart, fucking around while his idiot sons fuck up what was once a proud and successful program.
sounds a lot like PSU.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Bowden stopped coaching about 10 years ago, his assistants do the coaching and he says dagum during halftime and post game interviews.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I wish UOS (per future Rhodes Scholar T. Pryor) would just man up and admit they are slightly concerned now that RichRod in is Ann Arbor. Everyone alludes to it in their roundabout, goofy, illogical way.
And I’m glad history means nothing to the UOS fans. Did Cooper really coach in Columbus, or was that just an episode of Lost?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
spencer/jb: I hate to be the one to tell you guys, but Bowden died in 2001. They just prop him up in his golf cart “Weekend at Bernie’s” style.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Now lets get back to whats important
June 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Okay lets get back to the important stuff
http://www.lossip.com/13056/tuesdays-dime-piece-8/
June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
thats why i said at least not this yr
its in the best interests of the whole conference if um msu iowa and wisconsin all get better…IMO i think MSU starts to get better this yr if they can stop finding way to completely mess up their season about half way through
June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
oh kinda nsfw
June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
For the record, we don’t get Top 15 recruiting classes and we only have one son fucking things up. However, the son is such a gigantic idiot I could understand why you thought there was more than one.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
spencer,
Karma, as in, oops, Cooper sucked, and we’ve conveniently forgotten about that.
And spencer, I give you props for admitting that RichRod at least gives you cause for concern. Thanks for that, you are released from my comment at 71.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
GYD…uh, i mentioned that 3 times.
cooper sure coached there, but at the same time, Tressel is there now, and he aint goin anywhere.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
GYD…good stuff. i see where you were coming from with the karma thing.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
fucking cant wait for college football season…
sorry to bog the thing down with another UM-OSU argument.
Mags…we need a schedule to avoid stuff like this. you get M and W college football posts, ill take T and TH posts, and we’ll alternate fridays.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
UM-OSU argument can takeover a thread like a yankee/red sox argument.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
this is the worst time of the year—indians blow this season and all i am looking forward to is football, both professional and college
June 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
you mean OSU NC followed by a Browns’ SB?
/setting myself up for some disappointment. ill be on suicide watch by mid-october.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
i just cannot wait to beat Notre Dame, again.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
@mmonast. I’m a little confused about when Wisconsin fell off the map in the B10. Sure they haven’t been in the Rose Bowl since 2001, but New Years bowls the past 4 years isn’t too shabby.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
And sparty, I do like Javon Ringer, but is he durable enough to last all season?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
We can all agree that it is almost July and football is now no longer in the rear view mirror, it is time to talk about it.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
ark not saying they fell off the map at all, playing @ Camp Randall is a scary ass place to play, especially @ night (where osu is playin this season, the other game besides USC worries me)
i guess it was just a statement that the b10 needs more than osu and um at the top and teams like um and msu should be able to step up
June 24th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I hate this argument, I really do. I just can’t stand with my hand down my pants and read all this UM bashing. Don’t put us on the same level as MSU or Iowa because we both know UM is better than that. Hell we used to own osu just like they have owned us the past few years. It happens, but when we owned you guys we didn’t say “Oh hell they’re just like Penn State hurrr hurrrr haw!” because that would be false. osu is a force and it is fun, but it will all come crashing down and you yokles will eventually run tress-stache out of town because it is what you do. Don’t say that UM isn’t a destination anymore. If UM isnt a destination then neither is osu. In the grand scheme of things we have accomplished the same thing zero natinal championships, which is what it is all about in the new guard. Fuck a Big Ten championship, we want the top of the mountain.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
*sorry wisconsin and msu
June 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Sparty when the time comes, we will be making a friendly wager on Notre Dame/Michigan State, even if Notre Dame sucks balls again this year.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
cooper was fired for not beating UM and losing his bowl games…which seems very similar to the reasons why llllloyd was canned (sorry resigned) at UM. the situations are identical.
it wasnt like he had won all these bowl games and had a record of beating mich and had a bad yr and was run out of columbus.
In the grand scheme of things we have accomplished the same thing zero natinal championships, which is what it is all about in the new guard.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
yea, that’s because PSU was good then…HI-YO!!!
June 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
All of this Big 10 talk bores me like the second halves of the last 2 Nat. Champ. games.