So Did the ACC’s Pillaging of Virginia Tech, Miami and Boston College Cripple the Big East as Planned?
College Football August 7th. 2008, 1:15pm
We’re going to go with no. It certainly hasn’t helped the ACC that Bobby Bowden and Florida State are going through a down cycle. Ditto for the Miami Hurricanes. Not even Virginia Tech has been able to recapture its 1995-2001 form. Of note: BCS record in bowl games for the ACC the last three years: 0-3. All-time, the ACC is 1-9, the Big East 6-4.
Since losing three teams to the ACC, the Big East, surprisingly, has prospered: South Florida is on the verge of becoming a ‘program,’ Connecticut has made an incredibly smooth transition from I-AA, and except for last season, Louisville appears to be on the rise.
We’re not making the argument that Big East football is on par with the ACC (though the chasm ain’t that wide right now). We’re just saying that the ACC’s raid (call it an “expansion” is a joke) was supposed to make the conference markedly better on the field, and it hasn’t (revenue may be another story).
Discuss.
Expanded ACC’s revenues on par with other big winners (News & Record)
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August 7th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
The Big East is better than the ACC. Not as sexy, but better football is being played there at the moment.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
GO BC!
Can’t wait for the Post-Matty Ryan Era.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Holy shit you’re retarded.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc06.htm
August 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Pretty sure Virginia Tech was in the Orange Bowl last year, and the Sugar Bowl in 2005. Aside from the Michael Vick year, dare I say that is quite a bit better than their 1995-2001 span.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I wouldn’t say Virginia Tech is that far off from 95-2001.
95-2001: 66-18
2001-2007: 60-20
August 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
That should read 2002-2007
August 7th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
ACC football sucks
August 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Those Sagarin ratings are both interesting and somewhat crazy. They have Rutgers and Connecticut rated at about 77. Comparatively, MSU, Wisconsin and Illinois have ratings from 75 to 79.
If you were to pair those Big East teams against against any combination of the Big Tens in a best of 7 series, NOBODY would dream of taking the Big East team. Sure, UConn/Rutgers may win one at home in this mythical “series”, but there’s no way they are good enough to win consistently.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
The Big East isn’t on par with the ACC?? Did Intern Bill write this? That is one of the most preposterous statements I’ve seen. You can make the case that the ACC isn’t on par with the Big East.
There is no chasm between those two conferences. Please back up how you think the ACC is superior in any way in football.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Sorry, but it will be a long time (probably never) before Uconn/SoFla/Louisville are anywhere near on the level of FSU/Miami/VTech. FSU/DaU will be back, give it a few years.
Lozo, Sagarian is a raging moron, his numbers are worthless.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Holy shit you’re LeBatarded.
/fixed
August 7th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
a few things happened along the way from the acc’s raid of the big east.
no one expected:
miami to drop off the face of the earth.
fsu to struggle to break .500.
usf to come out of nowhere.
west virginia to become a national power.
rutgers to rise from the ashes.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
@jimmy – are you a Gator fan? who do you root for?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
i know this is a college football post, but what the Big East did in terms of replacing the teams they lost was very smart. They added several basketball schools (Louisville, Marquette) and made themselves into a basketball powerhouse. The emergence of Rutgers and to a lesser extent USF is a pretty big bonus
August 7th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
You can make the same case for the Big East. No one expected Syracuse to be one of the worst programs in the country either.
As for the Big ten argument. Michigan State’s last 4 years? 5-7, 5-6, 4-8, 7-6. And in ‘06 Rutgers destroyed Illinois 33-0. In Champaign.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
I don’t think the ACC’s plan was ever to cripple the Big Least, just to get to 12 so they could get the revenue from a conference championship game. I think they saw this as critical for competing with the other superconferences (now and in the future). Recall also that the ACC didn’t want VT — they wanted Syracuse (basketball). The VA state legislature stepped in and basically said, we don’t care what is best for UVA, you cannot vote for any expansion that will adversely affect VT — i.e., VT MUST be included in any expansion plans. Yet another instance of the state government siding with VT over UVA.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Rutgers’ rise only lasted one year. They need to “keep choppin’ wood” because that phrase didn’t get played out enough in ‘06
August 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Jimmy, yes, that is currently true, however in a few years:
miami/fsu will be back on track and rolling
usf will plateau at some point
west virginia will return to a 7 win team
rutgers will lose Sciano and return to the dregs.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
hell no!!!
i’m an fsu season ticket holder. and they will suck as long as drew “check down to the running back in the flat” weatherford is calling the signals.
sure he only threw three interceptions last year. kinda hard to throw interceptions when you can’t read defense and thus always throw to your back in the flat.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
@jimmy- i was thinking either FSU or UF. Man it must suck to be a noles fan
/cane fan
August 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I’m not ready to consider West Virginia a national power they play a weak schedule. Louisville and USF will come back down to earth real soon.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
yeah, but he’s a descendant of William Wallace!
August 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
usf to come out of nowhere.
I know it has the fourth largest enrollment in the country, or something like that, but I don’t think anyone is going to be surprised when the NCAA starts investigating this “coming out of nowhere” business.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
As of now, you would be hard pressed to tell me the ACC is flat out better than the Big East. Being a fan of neither conference, I would give the nod to the Big East. The fact of the matter is that Miami and Free Shoe are in a down cycle and West Virginia and USF are in an upcycle.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I’m an LSU fan who also likes FSU, Drew Weatherford fucking sucks how come Xavier Lee doesn’t get any time?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
when old man bowden retires they’ll turn into georgia tech. mark my words.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Even with 3 former NT contenders in their midst, I’d take the Big East over the ACC. Remember when Rutgers v Louisville v West Virginia played out back-to-back for the #1 spot in the polls?
Tell the Big East guys that they didn’t matter. Hell, tell the ACC they got the better end of the deal.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
because he was dumb as a rock and lazy. not a good combination.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Rutgers may fall this year now that Rice has moved to the NFL because Teal is not a good enough QB to carry the team, but they will have some longevity (read: not the worst team in the country like 5 years ago) because Schiano has finally started getting the good players from NJ to commit to Rutgers. They all used to leave but his last two recruiting classes have been a huge step up.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Irish 49-0 loss at HOME to Virginia, it’s going to take a lot of good years in the future for the U for me to forget that score.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Last year perhaps, i take the Big East. This year and every year moving forward, I take the ACC. We all know Miami isn’t going to stay down, and FSU as well once they get rid of Bowden.
Also, Xavier Lee ain’t on the team no mo’.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I mean you follow them, what the hell happened in that game? Did they not even try?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
They had no offense whatsoever cbh. Their offense basically played for the other team with the turnovers and pick 6’s. They were atrocious. Just a really rough year for them last year. They had no strength.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
their final game at the orange bowl no less. with all the great canes of the past on the sidelines.
that’s worse than losing to lame duck ron zook when your stadium is christened for your coach.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
gone to a local AFL2 franchise near you.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
That Virginia game was disgraceful though. Easily the most pathetic game I have ever seen the U play. Ever.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
@highball- i think you are getting USF confused with UCF. UCF is the 6th largest university in the nation.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
i said this on the last post, but i’m going to start a 12-team FFL league on NFL.com. if anybody wants in email kfceater@gmail.com
August 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I know a thing or two about recruiting and the Big East Champion has won with mainly three star talent (ie they are a 10 only when they are in a room full of fours) and the ACC continually gets five star talent to play at thier schools, they just haven’t been able to get as many to keep up with the USC, o$u… Basically what I am saying is if you took the best of the Big East and the best of the ACC, the ACC should win that game 8 times out of 10…
August 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
All that recruiting stuff is highly overrated.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
what was michigan’s excuse?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
@cbh- you are a V Tech fan right? how many national titles do they have? Has any one of their teams ever been considered the best of all time? How many winning seasons has V Tech had? How many winning streak records have they broken? How many NFL players do they put out?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Excuse for what? I thought we were talking about the Big East vs. the ACC?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Nope not a Tech fan, I was asking a question, your team lost at home to a mediocre team 49-0. I didn’t see the game, I wanted to know what happened, sorry I asked.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
@cbh49er
People say that but with no proof, there is proof that, statistically speaking, if you have higher rated recruits (more stars) you win more games. Sure there are out liers, but it is pretty safe to assume more stars = more wins.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Living on the past as a fan only satisfies you for so long. I am a 49ers fan, I know.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
People say the NFL Draft is a crapshoot. So why would projecting how high school players will be in college be any different?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
@irishmafia: Thanks for the correction. I get my Centrals and Souths mixed up all the time. KU plays at USF this year, and I’m ait worried about it.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
The way star levels are assigned in recruiting is more crooked than 1960s chicago politics. That being said, losing Rich Rod to UM is a blow to the Big East. Having my beloved Orange sink the conference makes me sick. Jim Leavitt as South Florida knows what he’s doing though, they won’t be falling off.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
i know, but with all of that five-star talent, you’d think occasionally michigan would play for a national title.
well, at least carr won one. that’s more than you can say for that slug schembechler.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
@irish- miami should never win less than 9 games a season, ever. They basically have their pick of the best that Florida offers in terms of highschool football players, they’re in South Beach, and their tradition is tremendous. So basically, the fact that VaTech has been kicking the U’s ass the past 5 years is a fucking disgrace, and if I were a U fan, I’d shut my mouth until my university finally decides to pony up the cash to get a decent coach.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
With the one ACC victory being FSU beating Virginia Tech before VT moved to the ACC.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
People say the NFL draft is a crap shoot, but really that has more to do with what teams the talent go to than the fact that they aren’t ranked by talent level. Also, in the NFL “need” comes into play wher as in college it doesn’t the player will be taken by a relatively equal team with that need…
August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Ok off the subject I found this pic of Kim K and MSn is talking mad shit with all these McDonalds references. Its sorta funny
August 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
@cbh- so who do you like in college football? you are pretty quick to remind me of the U’s loses vs Tech and UVA
August 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Link
August 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
recruiting isn’t that much more of a crap shoot than the nfl draft. only difference is most football fans have heard of college studs. only your hardcore football freaks know the top high school players.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
FSU is awful. miami is awful. Duke is awful. UNC awful. NC state awful.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Irish I have never brought up them losing to Tech.
I am a Nebraska and Notre Dame fan, I know they have both sucked, but I don’t go around telling other fans it sucks to be a fan of their teams because my team used to be good.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
@jimmy
ALL that five star talent? It is a fact that Michigan rarely gets five star talent. o$u has always dominated us in recruiting as most great players come from ohio rather than michigan and even then some of the in state guys go for the cash… also, dude, Glenn Edward was a fucking saint.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
@tallguy- V Tech fan huh?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
i’m thinking carolina plays for the acc title this year.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
i always seem to recall michigan doing fairly well in recruiting. so you’re saying they don’t?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
important question that is suddenly relevant in this post: As a fan, am I allowed to cheer for Virginia Tech and Rutgers equally. Back when Rutgers sucked it was fine because they always lost, but now that they are both decent-good, do I have to chose one?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
irish: As a fellow cane supporter (second to the vols), no one should be talking shit about the canes right now. They were completely embarrassing last year and are completely worthy of any shit they are taking.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
finally decides to pony up the cash to get a decent coach
what the fuck is wrong with Randy Shannon? One year has proved to you that he sucks?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
@cbh.. but you could, cuz your teams used to be good!
August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Almighty cheer for whoever the hell you want. All these fan rules that people try to make are retarded and pompous.
I was born in Lincoln, NE, my dad went to school there, hence my Nebraska fandom.
I grew up watching Notre Dame on NBC since I was 5 years old, hence my Notre Dame fandom.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
@jimmy
They dont do as well as USC, Alabama, o$u, ND… never have and probably never will. You get a kid from the south to come up for a trip and he is going to stop by ND and o$u on his way and half the time it stops there (see Dorian Bell this year) UM is usually somewhere in the 10-15 range, I dont ever remember being in the top 5, so the answer to your question is no.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
@sean jean- who is talking shit? i thought cbh was a tech fan and i was just trying to remind him that they have never won anything but conference titles
trust me, i know the canes are awful right now
August 7th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Yeah, born in NJ, parents went to Rutgers so I am a fan but then my dad went to grad school at VT and they had Michael Vick so that was a big draw.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
irish: That is basically talking shit from where I’m sitting.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
No irish, Duke fan, pretty well known here. I watch alot of ACC football, and of all the teams, I get pissed off at Miami the most…the ACC brought that piss poor athletic department in for one reason, and now they’re fucking terrible at it. At least VaTech has used the ACC aura to improve its lesser sports (Seth Greenberg is a cockmuncher along with every player on his team, but he’s been a fucking miracle worker for VaTech’s basketball program)…all Miami has done is piss away its football program.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
and I go to a school without a football team (sucks) so i have no conflicting allegiances there
August 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
@irish: you comming up for the ACC Championship this year?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
@Tampa Bo- Wow, that was, um, deep.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
this blog post is f’n hilarious!
http://tebowwearsjorts.blogspot.com/
August 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
@Almighy
No you can’t pick and choose when you will be rooting for a team. You think it is easy cheering for the Lions my whole life? You think it was easy being a Red Sox fan pre-2004? I can see your gripe because in college football there is literally no shot for some schools, but then again look at Rutgers so you really never know, but no you can’t be a fair weather fan in my opinion, even in college football.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I was born in Miami, then moved and grew up in Knoxville and went to school there. Family were all Miami fans, and became UT fans when we moved, so I grew up young liking the U, and then became a UT fan. Thus all my pro teams are Miami teams.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
@tampa Bo- its in Tampa right? maybe
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
saint of what?
rose bowl?
underperforming?
offense?
calling everyone a cheat?
wiretapping?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
I think you might be right — those boys are buying what Butch Davis is selling. Should be a down year for UVA, VT, and Miami, Duke always sucks, and GT will be running the triple option (snicker). Out of division, Maryland and NCSU always suck and BC is an unknown. Potentially, their only losses could be out of conference (ND, Rutgers). That said, I think UVA will whoop ‘em in C-ville.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
@Bruce: Its that Simple
August 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
A saint of teaching young men what it is like to become model citizens and to be more than just an athlete, but a man.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I agree that UNC will be vastly improved.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
that’s the beauty of college football: every dog has his day.
who would have thought boise state, hawaii or even utah to play in a bcs game?
anyone remember when spurrier got duke to a bowl?
florida state was a girls school before bowden got there.
usf didn’t even have a program 12 years ago.
wake forest in a bcs game? really?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
@Irish:Yep Im only going if the U,Clemson or VT is playing. But I know a guy who knows the president of the ACC Athletics, Im tryin to get in a Box.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
i’ll give him credit for that. you’re right.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
@tampa bo- Clemson is looking good, so it looks like you may go.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Threadjack/ Mets bullpen about to blow another Santanna win/
August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
When Bill Snyder took over KSU it had the worse winning % in college football history.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
@tallguy – how are you liking Cutcliffe so far? he should get you guys competitive again.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
clemson vs. unc in the acc title game. i already have end zone seats.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
all Miami has done is piss away its football program
that is hilarious coming from a Duke football fan. Miami even beats Duke in basketball. I hate Duke
August 7th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
And I am a Rutgers Alum but the ACC should be better, the schools are better draws and the campuses are nicer. It is just dumb that they brought in BC.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
@ nick P.
Which would make sense since Michigan leads the all-time series, 57-41-6… try again.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
@Maggs: And today’s players care tremendously about those Michigan wins in the past when they were wearing leather helmets. Totally relevant to recent history.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Ted you serious!??! Fucking Mets bullpen has blown me countless fantasy wins.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Threadjack:
Red Sox making moves
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3523657
August 7th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Which would make sense since Michigan leads the all-time series, 57-41-6… try again.
Damn…You got served!
August 7th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Yep, bases loaded 1 out, 3-2 in the 8th sanchez faced one batter and hit him, Feliciano just gave up a seeing eye single and here comes Joe Smith, fuck me
August 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Im watching the collapse right now at work.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
That bullpen can’t possibly look Santana in the eyes right now.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Smith has been batting practice lately
August 7th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
They do it all the Time its either that or no run support.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Miracle double play, going to the bottom of the 8th 3-2
August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
@Nick P.
Since you love stats I thought you would love a stat about winning. Since you brought it up and all…
August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I mean miracle, slow hit up the middle A. Reyes dives to stop it, backhands it to J. Reyes who throws wide to the right where Nick Evans sprawls to catch the one hopper by one step.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
meanwhile the rays are going to count on the return of rocco baldelli.
geez.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
@Maggs: I appreciate the history lesson. I’ll pass it along to Pryor and see what he says about it.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
The Sox won’t get Giles, because he can veto a trade to the Red Sox and he probably will seeing as he’ll never play in Boston. Then again he could get a WS so who knows.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
another Johan ND
August 7th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
@miz: everyone’s really high on the guy. We’re already seeing a good bump in terms of recruiting, and along with the facility upgrades, Duke shouldn’t be an automatic win for much longer. I honestly expect to contend for a bowl in 2 years…Duke’ll never be a powerhouse, but there’s no reason we can’t have some success.
@irish: glad you hate Duke, that’s an original opinion.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Tallguy, I hate Duke but I am a UNC fan.
However, both my grandfathers graduated from Duke.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Just to be clear UNC basketball, could give a fuck about their football team.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Mike Dunlevey Jr. was my favorite player when I was in High School. Fuck UNC Basketball except Mike…I love you…no homo.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
glad you hate Duke, that’s an original opinion
If i were a Duke football fan, i would not even comment on college football. I would keep my mouth shut until basketball season came around.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
METS Win. David Wright Walk off.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Nice Mets, way to blow another Santana win.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Not one mention of Wake?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
duke will beat miami within the next 2-3 seasons. put that in your pipe and smoke it.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Steve Spurrier does not approve of this comment.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Not one mention of Wake?
ok. Wake Sucks
August 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Well Irish, I’m a fan of college football, so I’ll talk about it at anytime I damn well please. I support Duke because they brainwash you freshman year, but that doesn’t prevent me from watching and commenting on the rest of the ACC, of which Miami is now a member. Since becoming a member, Miami has acted like a free agent signed by Isiah Thomas- “shit, I got my money now, time to chill on the bench and not do a damn thing.” Maybe they’ll get better…but Randy Shannon was a terrible hire, and the only reason he got hired is because Miami didn’t want to pay what a top-tier coach gets paid nowadays. Hell, Duke is probably paying Coach Cut more than Shannon (can’t be for certain, Duke didn’t release his salary but in all likelyhood he is making 1.5 million per season)
@cbh: I grew up rooting for UNC (dad graduated from there).
August 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
@cbh49er — very original: Nebraska and ND football, UNC basketball. Like pulling for winners much? I assume you’re also a Yankees fan, Cowboys fan, and Lakers fan? Tiger is your favorite golfer? Federer in tennis?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
@tallguy- you said it best. Duke will never be a powerhouse
August 7th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
@wahoowa
Actually he likes the 49ers… I would snicker, but you know, I am a Lions fan…
August 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Wahoowaa, pop your collar much, douchebag?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I am an Orioles fan, Wizards fan, 49ers fan, Notre Dame football, Nebraska football fan but yeah I only pull for winners.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
cbh is no bandwagon rider
August 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
As a kid I always liked the best teams, but all of my favorite teams now have been my favorite teams for 15-16 years, and they all pretty much suck now.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Hard to believe he thought CBH49er was a cowboy fan. Guess he thinks you are a gold prospector.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
He was too busy sipping tea and doing douchebag things during a football game.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Virginia may be an uber pansy school that doesn’t care and isn’t good at sports, but Charlottesville is a pretty sweet town.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
BTW God Bless David Wright
August 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Judging from the name, probably. Probably wears shirt and tie to football games too, if he even goes.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Wow…lots of violent responses from the masses. Guess that’ll show me to mess with a respected commenter. You guys really put me in my place. Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, cbh. It’s just a message board on the Internet.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
@tallguy — I graduated in 1993. I went to every home game for four years, football and basketball. And, yes, I wore a coat and tie to the football games.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, wahoowa. It’s just a message board on the Internet.
\fixed.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
well, well, ummm… your mamma
I got nothing, ever since Rivers all we’ve had to show is draft picks and bad records… all well here’s hoping on O’Brien
August 7th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
miz: No they won’t. You are giving Cutcliffe far too much credit. I don’t think there are any more Mannings he can recruit.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
@sean jean – hadn’t considered that. I retract my statement.
August 7th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
So yeah, I’m a huge UVA fan and I’ve gotta say the new commenter calling himself wahoowa has to be a hokie fan trying to make the Hoos look bad. I mean what kind of idiot would admit to wearing a coat & tie to games, even if they did? Please God, don’t let there be a UVA fan who’s that big of a douche.
And if he really is…then fuck me running. I don’t claim the bastard.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
@Holden — actually, when I was in school there, everybody wore a coat and tie to the game. As with many other aspects of Mr. Jefferson’s University, tradition is a strong force.
Nice handle. Stay classy, Holden.