Is 2004 No. 1 Pick Matt Bush the New Brien Taylor?
Baseball July 28th. 2008, 12:00pm
Chatting with Intern Bill this morning about some overall No. 1 MLB draft picks who were epic busts. He nominated Matt Bush, the top pick in 2004 (San Diego Padres). We went with Brien Taylor, the top pick of the Yanks in 1991 who never threw a pitch in the bigs. A look at the similarities between the two.
On Sunday morning it was reported that former San Diego Padres minor leaguer Matt Bush was injured in physical altercation outside a bar near a Padres training facility in Arizona. For the former 1st overall pick in 2004, (selected in front of Phil Hughes, Stephen Drew, Justin Verlander, and Jered Weaver), this is yet another setback for the man who has been drawing comparisons to former New York Yankees farm hand Brien Taylor, who famously blew his arm out in a bar fight about 15 years ago. Are comparisons between the two players apt? Is Matt Bush the new Brien Taylor?
Because it was so long ago, it’s hard to remember just how good Brien Taylor really was. As a 20-year-old in high A ball in 1993, Taylor struck out 187 batters in 161 innings, with a very good 3:1 K/BB ratio. The next year he stuck out 150 in 163 IP, and while the high walk rate was troublesome; it was probably something Taylor would get over with experience. If the thought of the 1996-2000 Yankees dynasty makes you ill, imagine those same teams with David Cone, Andy Pettitte, David Wells, and Roger Clemens along with a young lefty throwing 96 MPH. They might still be winning titles. Or Wells and Cone would have introduced him to the NY nightlife and his career would be over. Regardless, Taylor has serious talent, talent that Matt Bush just doesn’t have.
In over 700 at bats in the low minors, Matt Bush has yet to get on base more than 33% of the time. He has hit for no power, no average, and when the Daddies tried to make a Rick Ankiel switch and turn Matt Bush into a pitcher, he threw seven innings, notched 16 strikeouts, and then had Tommy John surgery. It is impossible to express how bad of a player Matt Bush is, and we’re not going out on a limb here by saying that Bush will never see the inside of a major league clubhouse. But in order for Bush to be the next Brien Taylor, this latest injury would have to rob him of his “stuff,†effectively ending his career.
Outside of their draft status, the egregious amount of money both players earned in signing bonuses, their positions on the field, and their propensity for pugilism, Matt Bush and Brien Taylor have nothing in common, outside of being colossal busts.
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July 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
matt bush is a bigger bust that alex gordon as well.. but its close
July 28th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
This is a little disingenuous. He was drafted ahead of these guys because he was signable. He was picked because he was a local kid who had a ton of talent. His $3.15 million signing bonus isn’t that high and is one of the reasons the Padres picked him up.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Intern Bill is the suck!!!!
/did I do that right?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Technically, wouldn’t it be a Brooks Kieschnick reversal?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
wasn’t he picked that high because he wasn’t a boras client?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
damnit hef…i guess that’s why youre haulin in the big bucks.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Links?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
This one only took three seconds to find (then again, I knew to look for it in the first place).
Signability likely played a major role in the Padres’ final decision. Agent Scott Boras represents Drew and Weaver.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
That link doesn’t make the statement disingenuous, though, does it?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Is “misinformed” a better word for it?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
It implies that he was picked ahead based solely on talent and that certainly was not the case.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
TBL sticking up for Intern Bill? Usually he just feeds him to the dogs.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
TBL…seriously..neither one of you did your homework on this? You have NINE guys who have a baseball website that comment here on a regular basis, there is absolutely no reason not to utilize them…Hell you have Hef doing his best Hemingway impression here once a week…Fetch and Nick P can give you all of the numbers analysis you need…especially fetch and minor league baseball…I am not even pimping myself here…I just gave you 3 far and away better options…you have there e-mails..use them
July 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
cortes – Gordon was the #2 pick and has been in the Majors for less than two seasons. I’d probably give him a little more time before labeling him as a major bust.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
How doesn’t it? The consensus was that Bush did not have #1 pick talent. He was chosen for monetary reasons.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
When are TBL and MLJ merging to create the superpower TBJML?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
TBL is getting pwned.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
i blame boras.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
The fact that Gordon is in the Majors right now and is at least an average player completely kills his “bust status.” He’s already beaten the odds.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
The Big Jerk Major Lead? Page 6 does not approve.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
MLJ is bringing the A game today!! and if we merge, i’ll cover vacation destinations.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
yeah cortes..and Gordon, while really good in his brief stint in the minors, never really got the proper seasoning down there, it is easier for a pitcher to make a quick turnaround from college to the bigs than a hitter…he is learning on the job…
July 28th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
roman…tonight is the big series..you ready to see a marlins sweep bro?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Intern Bill hates black people and peanut allergy sufferers.
/science
July 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
i think Gordon will be fine. with all that pressure on him, give him a little time. plus, his position change is probably affecting him a little bit.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
cortes…unless the Marlins are sweeping peanut shells out of the stands so those pussy kids won’t die…it ain’t happening…the preview goes up at 3 at MLJ..your obligatory link will be provided
July 28th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
So Bush was a bum, and the Padres confirmed that they only took him first because the other kids couldn’t have been signed?
And RWH – I know that Hef has a nice baseball site. It’s fantastic.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Brien Taylor? I’m pretty sure he was involved in the Xavier Nady trade.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
It’s not mine TBL, it belongs to the world…and Roman.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
actually TBL, its a blogocracy.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
can’t wait for 3 pm roman.. i think the marlins take 2/3.. tonight is a lock with nolasco pitching
July 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
TBL…WE (Hef, Fetch, NickP Spencer096, clown, RexKramerDangerSeeker, Benji/Stigs, Gonzo and myself) have a nice site..thank you very much…if it was so fantastic, you would know that
July 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Roman, I think I read that here and here.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
oh, they couldve signed all those boras clients, they just chose not to deal with them and have some douchebag force them to pay out the nose.
boras trashed baseball this way…fuck that asshole.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
that was awesome.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
NickP – thank you for your sanity regarding Alex Gordon. Whenever someone tells me Alex Gordon is a bust, I want to hulk out and strangle them with their own intestines.
(slight exaggeration)
July 28th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
should be higher. like top 10.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
And RWH – I know that Hef has a nice baseball site.
I thought it had football too?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
so how many years will Bush be given before he’s labeled a bust?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
didn’t George Brett give Alex Gordon some money under the table not to go to college and sign with the Royals? Or am i making that up?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
what was the signing bonus disparity between Bush and the two Boras clients? Anyone want to look that up?
July 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
TBL..it’s borderline now but he is still really young and I would see how this pitching thing pans out…
July 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
so how many years will Bush be given before he’s labeled a bust?
Wait, Reggie?
But seriously, he’ll probably be regarded as one even if he makes the majors and does okay as a pitcher…thanks to that lofty draft status.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
TBL…no figures, but from an article i remember pretty vividly (it was either a jayson stark article or from a buster olney blog), it was significant.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Drew signed for a 4 million bonus and 5.5 guaranteed. He was the #15 pick. Matt Bush, the #1 pick, went for 3+
July 28th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Here’s the link.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Weaver signed for the same 4 million at the #12 spot.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
You didn’t show enough respect to Dwight Howard. F this bullshit blog.
no, fuck MLJ
July 28th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I don’t care if Bush is the #1 pick or the #17 pick. Tremendous bust for a 1st round pick. Some #1’s might not make it because of injury. However, there is no reason for a guy to be a 1st rounder and not at least get a sniff at the top levels of the MINOR league systems.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Tommy John surgery has sidelined many players before Matt Bush. I personally think he’s a bust, but he’s certainly not the biggest bust of all time. I think people like to throw that label on him because he’s an asshole (see his multiple bar fights). He could still make the bigs, but he’s not the biggest anomaly ever.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Another satisfied customer!
July 28th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Gordon? A bust? News to me. I’m under the impression that he’s a top 3 defensive guy at 3rd in the AL.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
batman was sweet
July 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Best I can tell … Bush got 3.15. Verlander got 3.15. Weaver got 4 million.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
nwilson26 – he’s been okay defensively, in that he’s really good at the plays within his range. Still, the problem with Gordon is his inability to hit lefties this year…he hits like Mike Lowell vs. normals and Tony Pena Jr. vs. LHPs.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
I doubt you’ll hear any arguments, Wally.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
First round picks bust all the time. Go look at the names from the first round over the last ten years. Count how many you don’t recognize.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
The MLJ guys suffer from an identity crisis, and apparently were not hugged enough as children…funny dynamic when baseball topics arise. There are other people in TBL Nation that can offer thoughts on baseball, fellas.
So you don’t go Irish on me…I like MLJ and stop by there when TBL provides a good link, and you guys offer good baseball comments.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
See, that’s what you call a straw man argument, folks.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Big Nuts..I never discount the knowledge of others my point was TBL has others at his disposal when it comes to posts of this nature…I think he could up the baseball discourse on here so to speak..And I got hugged plenty as a child so much so that my uncle did 15 years for it
July 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
You rarely see Billy Wagner over at MLJ
July 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
See, that’s what you call a straw man argument, folks.
Wow, I love straw man arguments almost as much as I love false dichotomies.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
straw man argument < The Wicker Man
July 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
False dichotomies aren’t nearly as bad as poorly reasoned presuppositions.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Does MLJ have anything approaching TBL site numbers?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
tu quoque fallacies make me horny
July 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Of course. A site that’s been around for three months which has never been mentioned in a public forum (other than this one) has like three times the traffic of TBL.
/sincere
July 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Big Nuts..let’s just say we have had 39000 more people read our stuff this month than anything you have done and call it a day
/sincere
/really sincere..where the fuck is our advertising god damnit
July 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Thanks Dad.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
RWH — fair enough. If I wanted to start a blog, I would get some visitors, for shizzle.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
biggest bust: Matt Bush, Reggie Bush, George W. Bush?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
roman, have we seen that burn before?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
No. 1 overall picks will always be fair game for scrutiny.
I think the baseball quotient’s good – it’s the other sports where we lack posts about
July 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
sophia bush
July 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
*cough* golf *cough*
/first one to say “golf isn’t a sport” will get a brick through their windshield
July 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
tho kudos on the mickeltits post…
July 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I ain’t scared of the MLJ Clique!
July 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I think there needs to be more X-games coverage.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
TBL…it is not the quantity that concerns me it is the quality…unless you are purposely throwing up posts that leave plenty of room for argument (salary cap, race in sports, Should Manager A be fired)…that would be fine as well…My problem is as of late the baseball posts are just misinformed such as this one, the peanut one etc…the person you are usings best effort was the Billy Beane post…I do feel he needed to explain that the columnist was a negative Nancy..but that post had more purpose
July 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
It’s negative Nelly you sunt. Get it right.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
TBL — is it time for baseball op-eds on this site?
July 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Big Nuts..I am coming after you with a lead pipe you rapscallion…I will say this and I do mean it…you really don’t have to like us (except clown..clown needs love..he is like furby)…but don’t think that when I call out TBL I am denouncing him…he has left this blog open to comments even those that criticize..can we be harsh? I definitely can…but it because I think things can be better…Do I think Intern Bill is terrible? well he is not my favorite…I think he needs to work harder…his passion is there but if he is going to go the informed baseball route…it would help if he sounded informed
July 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
That opinion is fine, and I’m sure some others may feel the same way about my NBA and NFL stances. As for the salary cap post, I know the one you’re talking about and I still feel the same way, and always will.
In sports, I like level playing fields, and I feel a salary cap best accomplishes that. Certainly, you and others disagree.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I think a salary cap for baseball is a great idea. The NFL has worked out fine and so has the NBA. But Bud Selig is spineless.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
TBL…just so you understand…I like the salary cap posts, even though I disagree…it is what you are putting up lately that causes me concern
July 28th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
False dichotomies aren’t nearly as bad as poorly reasoned presuppositions.
No doubt. I wasn’t directing a false dichotomy accusation at anyone. I’m just bored.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Roman — is it time for a baseball steel cage match? Perhaps we can do point-cointerpoint posts on an issue. On one side is the MLJ Cartel, the other Intern Bill and Big Nuts.
Ha ha — I do see your point. However, one can air their counterpoints without telling an intern he sucks, or hope he burns in hell. I’m just sayin…
I know this is America, land of the free and home of the unfiltered blog comment. I get it — I am involved in politics, so I value both sides of the aisle.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
To further clarify, I do like the MLJ fellas! But like everything in life, moderation is key.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Loser has to walk the plank off the USS Big Nuts (presented by Irish)
July 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I know. I was playing the same game.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Big Nuts…the Intern Bill Sucks thing has become more of a joke than anything, but I (can’t speak for all) make sure to explain my displeasure of his posts. Sometimes he angers me, and I will proclaim his sucktitude, but truthfully I just want him to do well, since TBL seems to like him so much
July 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
@Big Nuts: It’s not that Intern Bill sucks (most of those were said in jest), it’s just that he knows almost nothing about baseball and yet writes about it on a popular site.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Damn, Roman’s faster.
/twss
July 28th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I know. I was playing the same game.
I had a class in college that focused on different argument types, and the only ones I seem to remember are those already mentioned, ad hominem, and tu quoque (sp?). Then the course disintegrated into indecipherable mush, I stopped caring, and the teacher was killed by a rabid reindeer just before final exams.
And anyways… +1 to that “Selig is spineless” sentiment. I can’t wait until he gets hit by a bus.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
To further clarify, I do like the MLJ fellas! But like everything in life, moderation is key.
Except with alcohol and porn.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
OK, fair points, I will stand down MLJ crew.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
i hate intern bill, what with his dego mustache and his greasy hair.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Look, what did I just say about ethnic slurs?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
just so you know, ill be driving a 24/7 bus tour around the greater milwaukee area…i have an axe to grind with that dickbag.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Does anyone know Intern Bill’s handle?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Yeah..Hef
July 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
spencer, feel free to take out any of the goth kids dirtying up my street corners that should be reserved for hookers and drug dealers.
and +1 to clown for the funny comment above that i now forgot.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
You’re not allowed to out people here, dickbag.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
spencer – may I suggest one of the Dawn of the Dead busses? I know they didn’t work all that well against zombies, but I hear they’re quite effective against commissioners.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
help save kids in Myanmar?
it may be Myanmar, but it’ll always be Burma to me.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
benji, just what do you have against goth hookers and drug dealers?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Seriously, what does Intern Bill use to comment here?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Did I ever tell you guys I love the big jugs? I am a godzilla biscuits lover!
July 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Big Nuts, no one knows. Good luck getting the back of a commenter who won’t even step up and defend himself.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
In Bill’s defense, I wouldn’t out myself either. Yall’s scathing remarks have made me cry, and I don’t even know the guy.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
NHZ, goth kids piss me off. What the hell are they so angry about? mostly i think the male goth dudes are pissed they weren’t born chicks and just really want to wear make up. they are still at a young enough age where they shouldn’t know anything other than happiness. they will have plenty of time to be pissed off when they get older.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
It would be nice if Intern Bill defended himself…perhaps the MLJ crew scared him…did you threaten to have him Irished?
July 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Benji – I was just fooling around, anyway. I believe I asked you about goth hookers, actually. :p
they are still at a young enough age where they shouldn’t know anything other than happiness.
Because American culture absolutely rules for young people. Wheeeeeeeeee
But yes, goth = bizarre way of expressing angst. I agree.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
The thing that gets me about goths is they think by acting that way they are different, but now so many of them do it they have their own fucking category.
July 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
poorly reasoned presuppositions > poorly positioned suppositories