Nomar, Pedro and Now Manny: Anyone Spot a Trend?* UPDATE: SI Claims Manny to the Dodgers
Baseball, Race July 31st. 2008, 4:00pm
[UPDATE: Sports Illustrated is reporting Manny has been dealt to the Dodgers. There are no other details.]
Well, it’s 4 pm and Manny Ramirez is still in Boston. But the rumors were fun, right? Intern Bill – now with an email address where you can send him love letters: BillTBL@gmail.com – takes a look at the brief, cantankerous, quotable history of disgruntled Red Sox employees Pedro, Nomar, now Manny.
The Manny Ramirez story has reached near Favre-ian levels, both in terms of New England hype (read: ESPN) and bizarre trade demands. Yesterday, the future Hall of Fame hitter unloaded on the Boston Red Sox front office, practically daring them to make a trade:
“The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me. During my years here I’ve seen how they have mistreated other great players when they didn’t want them to try to turn the fans against them.
“The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don’t deserve me. I’m not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don’t have peace here.€
Histrionics and posturing aside… is what Ramirez saying true? Is this latest volley a case of the slugger wanting out of Boston so badly he’ll say anything? Or is what he’s saying actually contain more than a few nuggets of truth? The two are not mutually exclusive. Both Pedro Martinez and Nomar Garciaparra, also Latino stars playing in a town where Torri Hunter ran into race issues have stated that they were disrespectfully treated after leaving Boston..
The three-time Cy Young Award winner said his new club, the New York Mets “have shown more respect in days than Boston did in seven years …”
“[Red Sox GM Theo Epstien] got really arrogant on [my agent] and I didn’t appreciate it. Theo believed that he had me and wasn’t the nicest man communicating with Fernando.”
On Francona, Martinez noted: “Francona had no say, like he didn’t have any say in managing the team. He was manipulated (by the front office).”
Asked for evidence to back that assertion, Martinez said, “I was in the clubhouse, that’s how I know.”
Nomar’s agent also expressed displeasure with the Red Sox front office, accusing them of spreading rumors that would demonize his client:
According to Henry, six days before last Saturday’s trade, Garciaparra’s agent, Arn Tellem, told Epstein he had to talk the shortstop out of demanding a trade.
“We knew from that that he didn’t want to be here,” said Henry, who had informed reporters in advance that he planned to be in Tropicana Field last night and would answer questions pertaining to the trade … I categorically deny that,” Tellem said of Henry’s claim that six days before Garciaparra was traded, the agent told Epstein he had to dissuade Garciaparra from making the trade demand. “I never had to talk Nomar out of asking to be traded. That’s absolutely false.”
Manny’s statement to ESPN Desportes yesterday is the third instance of a Red Sox star player to say that the Boston Red Sox front office has disrespected or demonized an exiting player. One occurrence might be an incident. Two might be a coincidence. Isn’t three a trend? Looking back at the quotes above, there seems to be a pattern of perception in the Red Sox clubhouse that the front office does not have the best interest of the players, and when the organization uses them up, they will be slandered upon exiting.
When employees continue to bring up such pernicious allegations of management they work for, it is not a sign of good health in any organization. Even one as successful and historic as the Boston Red Sox.
108 Responses to “Nomar, Pedro and Now Manny: Anyone Spot a Trend?* UPDATE: SI Claims Manny to the Dodgers”
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July 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I am sure that their ego’s had nothing to do with this at all.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Bill…two in a row young man two in a row…I agree with that totally…the Boston Media is so easily manipulated and the fans eat it up…the NY media is manipulated as well but the fans never listen..if the did everyone would love Billy Wagner..He Talks to the Media! Hooray!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Oh my god, you mean there might actually be racism up north? No..
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Every organization uses a player for as long as they can and spits them out, it’s how it goes.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pm
intern bill…keep it up, you might get off hef’s shit list.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Histrionics isnt a word. History is.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
The Red Sox are racist. How come they dont have any black players. I can remember Pokey Reese and Mo Vaughn. They better start respecting the Latinos before they have a team full of Youkoliss.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
I think a team full of Youkiliss is a team of Youkolii
July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Baseball as a whole is lacking black players, is every team racist?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I believe it’s pronounced “Overrated White People”
July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
coco crisp?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Just like the ran off “El Tiante.” Boston hates Latinos.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Manny wanst out because of the awful night life… Boston = Lame.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I think a team full of Youkiliss is a team of Youkolii
I stand corrected.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
If baseball had the same percentage of black players that basketball does, and the Red Sox only had 1 (Crisp) then I might see your point. The fact is that baseball as a whole is dominated by white and latino players and so saying that because the Sox only have one black player, then they are racist, is just retarded.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
coco crisp?
HA! If I never watched baseball I would think he was a black stripper.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
There’s just as much racism in the north as there is the south because stupid people are everywhere. It’s just that in the south it’s louder, as opposed to up north where it’s hush-hush but still obvious as shit.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
But the Red Sox have a Jew on their team!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Is coco crisp black?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pm
allegedly.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Well, look how Nomar and Pedro’s career’s have turned out after the Sox let them go. How’s it working out for them?
Maybe the have something against injury prone players who want to be paid above their worth.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
coco crisp
Affirmative Action
July 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Boston is racist. I’ve never been there myself, but I saw it in a movie once.
/science
July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I liked Hef better before MLJ… now he is just so damn cool.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pm
They used the N-word in The Departed so Boston is both racist and a great movie.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
This might be up for debate, but isnt David Ortiz black? Latin doesnt mean your black. Being black means your black.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Might be the most wrong you’ve ever been about anything….
July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
But they love Jim Rice, don’t they?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
/ Coco Crisp?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
It’s pretty obvious…he does turn the milk brown
July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
This might be up for debate, but isnt David Ortiz black? Latin doesnt mean your black. Being black means your black.
Gary Sheffield would like to have a word with you real quick…
July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Is coco crisp black?
allegedly.
I dont know. Hes looks like he has some mexican or PR in him.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Manny to Dodgers
July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
“They”, Highball? Just who are “they”, Mr. Bigot McRacist?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Boston Globe’s Gorden Estes reporting that Manny is being traded.
http://boston.com/
July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
July 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Histrionics and posturing aside… is what Ramirez saying true?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
cnnsi is reporting that Manny was sent to the dogders. The spring training before Nomar was traded the Sox offerd him a contract around 3yrs/ 15 mil and he turned it down. This was after coming off a few injury seasons.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
@cool_rick: Websters, even
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
cool_rick, Histrionics is definitely a word
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
This might be up for debate, but isnt David Ortiz black? Latin doesnt mean your black. Being black means your black.
@cool_rick-Where did you go to school Lord Fontileroys school for Albino Hemopheliacs.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
seeing new rumor about LAD landing Bay now
July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Black people with latin last names = black people. Doesnt anyone study histionics and the Conquisadors?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
From the Globe’s Nick Cafardo (4:25 p.m.): “The Red Sox may have landed [Jason] Bay.”
July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
So in truth nobody has any fucking idea what’s going on.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
WHAT THE FUCK!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Sorry clown I missed you comments I was looking up how many GM’s are Jews.
/Who you calling a racist?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm
okay we got LAD landing Bay. We also got Red Sox landing Bay. which is it?
Manny to the Dodgers?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
THE WORLD IS GOING TO BLOW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT’S GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Manny to the Yankees for Jeter and Rivera
/just as likely as anything at this point
July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Joe Torre and Manny, nice!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
manny to the indians for jhonny peralta’s corpse?
/please please please
July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
LOUD NOISES!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
As a Yankees fan, I am loving the drama.
As a baseball fan, I can understand where the Red Sox are coming from:
* Nomar was washed up when he left Boston, and is now a shell of the star he once was
* The Red Sox viewed Pedro in the same way they viewed Clemens: best years behind them, and not worth the big bucks. Pedro has proven he is in the twilight years
* Manny has a reputation for being a major distraction and appears to be a poster boy for today’s selfish athletes.
Intern Bill nice work. Those Major League Jerks will stop hating one of these days, when they are done playing dungeons and dragons and drinking canned beer.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
corpse was harsh…jhonny alone will do.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Manny just killed Theo Epstien
July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
If the Dodgers really did get Manny it is a great deal for them, I don’t care what they gave up, they finally have a power hitter.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
You’re walking a thin line, Big Nuts.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
How did the Sox fanagle Bay in this mess, according to CBS?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
hey, we don’t drink canned beer…dick.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
It’s the same exact trade the Marlins wouldn’t do…. fuck………………….
July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Manny to LAD, Bay to the Sawx, four prospects to the Pirates.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
irish, I need all of Big Nuts credit card transactions for the last six months, stat!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Manny to Bos and Bay to Sox? details bitches
July 31st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Maybe if Manny leaves so will some of the bandwagon fans.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
From Fox Sports:
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.
Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Damien Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Bandwagon fans care about being a fan of a winner, players are irrelevant.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
who are the prospects? Where are you reading this?
/Pirates fan
July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
apparently TBL was unable to deal Billy Wagner before the deadline
July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Yea just what we need less Boston bandwagon fans in exchange for 50 million Dodger bandwagon fans
July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
so who does ESPN credit with the backdated scoop today? Gammons, Olney? Timmy K?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
TBL is reporting that Red Sox manager Kevin Kennedy is upset about the deal, but that Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda is estatic.
\Hoping someone will get this
July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Benji, the Brewers are done, swept for 4 games at home, they are going to be crushed, I sense a collapse.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I wonder who picked the Angels and Dodgers in the TBL WS prediction post. Oh wait… it was me. April 2nd 2008, check it
July 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Clown — keep that up, and Irish may be posting confidential info for all the Major League Jerks by 5 p.m. ET — lol.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
LA will have to replinish those bandwagon fans when the USC football program comes under investigation.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
seems like boston gave a ton up for bay.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
This will help the Dodgers win the NL West, it’s not getting them to the World Series.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pm
who are the prospects? Where are you reading this?
/Pirates fan
3:39pm: Bob Nightengale has the Bucs getting Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss from the Red Sox and Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris from the Dodgers, correcting what looks like a typo in the Rosenthal report.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Moss was never going to play in Boston anyway, OF is too crowded, I’m surprised Hansen was traded though…that one worries me more than anything else since they wanted to improve their bullpen.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Big Nuts = gheyer than Strahan since 2008
July 31st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Dodgers will still lose the NL West. Their Manager will make sure of it
July 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I like this for the Pirates, seems like they got some real quality. 412, Roesth, who’s with me?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Listening to the Cubs fans chant “sweep” in Miller Park is music to my ears.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:06 pm
412 might be on vacation, haven’t heard from him in a while.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Am I reading this right, the Red Sox essentially gave up 5 players to get Jason Bay?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
3 players. Manny, Moss, and Hansen. The other two guys weren’t really going to do anything with Boston anyway. THe key to the deal for Pitt is LaRoche from LA.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Who the fuck accused me of drinking canned beer…Please I drink Newcastle and I drink only Sabastani Cabernet (2004)…15.99 a bottle..smoothest Cab going…
July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Oh and I got all the Manny stuff right here
July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Chanting Sweep in Arizona again this October as the Dbacks sweep the Cubs will also be music to my ears.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Now Pittsburgh can have two underachieving LaRoche’s instead of just one!
July 31st, 2008 at 5:28 pm
RIP 2008 Red Sox!
July 31st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Are they going to have an amazing run to gain home field advantage? They won’t win 2 games in Wrigley.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Not to nitpick but they would only have to win one in Wrigley to win the series.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm
If in the first round.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
“Theyâ€, Highball? Just who are “theyâ€, Mr. Bigot McRacist?
Is it sad that sometimes I only come to this site just to see what clown wrote?
July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
No Diesel, which is why they would be closing out in AZ. Don’t get snippy. Save your energy and come back on 3 days rest.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I approve of the newcastle, far better than Guiness. If you like the dark beers give negra modelo a try, it’s good stuff
July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
what is wrong with canned beer?
July 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
drinking dark beer makes you a racist.
/science
July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
They win the first 2 games of the series in Wrigley and I will personally hand you $50.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
/fixed
July 31st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
what’s the word on the four prospects the Pirates got?
I dont know about you guys, but i think Jason Bay’s stock has been falling for a few years now. probably just me, though.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Andy LaRoche needed a change of scenery, but I think he will be all kinds of awesomeness. Brandon Moss is decent, Craig Hansen is a decent 7th inning guy and I don’t know a ton about Bryan MOrris, but I’ve heard he has a pretty live arm.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
i can’t wait to write these posts on this trade tomorrow. i am not watching any analysis or reading shit …
July 31st, 2008 at 11:51 pm
TBL – Do you boys now understand what a fraud Peter (The Walrus) Gammons is??? The schlepper wasn’t even close on the Ramirez story. Is anybody paying attention? Not since Andy (Panda) Marchand was making a total jackass of himself at the New York ComPost has there been a bigger doofus in “journalism.” Let us projectile vomit……..