Why Do the Sabermetric Teams Stink in 2008?
Baseball August 27th. 2008, 1:45pm
Intern Bill investigates.
David Pinto up at the terrific Baseball Musings had a post up a few days ago pointing out that the “Sabermetric Teams,†the clubs that feature statistical baseball analysis for their front office decisions, are not doing too well this year. To wit:
That got me thinking. Sabermetric teams really disappointed in 2008.
- Manny Acta’s Nationals own the worst record in the majors.
- The Cleveland Indians stand 14 games out of first place.
- The Blue Jays put together a good pitching staff, but couldn’t match it with a decent offense.
- The Oakland Athletics started in contention but trades threw them into a tailspin.
- Detroit didn’t live up to the hype of their winter trades.
- San Diego sits in last place in the NL West.
- Trey Hillman’s Royals haven’t improved, and sabermetric pitcher Brian Bannister pitched poorly.
The Red Sox and Diamondbacks are still in contention. Arizona hasn’t blown anyone away, however, and the Red Sox in a three-way race for the wild card.
There are some issues here – Manny Acta doesn’t make personnel decisions, and it seems like the Rays front office has been open to sabermetrics, but the track record speaks for itself. This season will not be known as the “year of the stat.€ But with so many teams adopting this kind of strategy, how can this be?
Random chance: For a moment, try to imagine overweight 1st basemen, speedy centerfielders, and hard-throwing young pitchers about to get “Dusty’ed,†not as human beings per se, but as assets in a stock portfolio that only operate about six months a year. Throughout the history of baseball, there have been thousands and thousands of such assets that either perform better or worse than expected due to a number of factors, some of which are beyond our control. When seen in the multi-decade context of baseball history, the struggles that numbers-oriented teams have gone through are really just slight fluctuations on a graph that seem bigger than they actually are because they occur in the period in which we live. Although six teams using the same philosophy might be damning to some, it could be just bad luck that’ll work itself out over time. This explanation is very, very possible.
Bad math: It’s not that numbers-oriented front offices don’t work, it’s that they’re doing the numbers wrong! Maybe a young staffer screwed up a formula somewhere. Maybe instead of using IsoD or OBA, they should have used something else. If only these front offices used the right numbers, used them correctly, or got just plain smarter, they wouldn’t struggle as much. This is of course is the argument socialists use when arguing why Soviet Russia didn’t work out so well, but whatever. This is also almost entirely unquantifiable.
Maybe they don’t know anything after all: Statistical baseball analysis is such an attractive discipline because it’s so inclusive, and in some cases, so easy. The numbers don’t care if you’re a novice, tinkering in your study, because analytics is a science, and the numbers speak for themselves. A person doesn’t need years of experience on dusty sandlots with a radar gun and the “right eye,†or the ability to look a prospect and see the types of “baseball moves†that scream “big-leaguer.€ All one needs is a calculator, an excel program, a few message boards, and a lifetime membership to baseball prospectus, and voila! Not only can one be smarter (and theoretically have more successful ideas) than the ignorant scouts who have the audacity to practice their craft the same way it’s been done for decades, one also has the license to high-mindedly scoff at the mere mention of the words “hustle†and “character.€
The tricky thing about someone thinking they know everything is that unless they’re, like, a God or something, they don’t, and when they finally realize how wrong they’ve been the intellectual crash is inevitable. It’ll be interesting to see if statistical baseball analysis doesn’t really work what this crash will look like.
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August 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Intern Bill: Making Nick P. eat his parents since 2008.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
For a week there, it looked like Intern Bill was going to climb out of the doghouse and become a semi-decent addition to the TBL team. I can see now that this was wishful thinking.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
The tricky thing about someone thinking they know everything is that unless they’re, like, a God or something
FAIL
August 27th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Doesn’t Jose Cardenal slightly resemble Silvio from the Sopranos but with an afro?
/I think Intern Bill will not survive the coming commenter onslaught
August 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Actually, I thought this was the Hef Chronicles posted early.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
a God or something
Blasphemy will get your ass kicked
/God
August 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
When did Huggy Bear play baseball?
August 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
What did Intern Bill write last week that the Jerks actually liked?
August 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
When seen in the multi-decade context of baseball history, the struggles that numbers-oriented teams have gone through are really just slight fluctuations on a graph that seem bigger than they actually are because they occur in the period in which we live.
Seems pretty well reasoned to me. I mean, one of the ‘Saber’ teams is the defending World Series champ.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
The jerks actually “like” some things? You could have fooled me. I thought it was just a place to whine, bitch and cry…
August 27th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Intern Bill handling Yardwork = Fine
Intern Bill writing any other post with his theories and analysis = disaster
August 27th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Mags…i like coffee and roman likes strahan. does that count?
August 27th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Sabermetrics should be replace by asterisks in the word filter.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Intern Bill needs to comment
August 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
It’s like you’re going out of your way to misunderstand the logic of people you disagree with. I can understand having a different opinion when it’s based in the real world, but you don’t seem to even know what research is.
TBL: This guy is killing your site’s reputation. I’m not kidding.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Intern Murray Chass.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
It doesn’t help that the prototype sabermetric team, the A’s, starts dumping their players in May & June while in the midst of a pennant race. As soon as the prospects they got for Harden & Blanton become viable major league players, Mr. Moneyball will gut the team in midseason once again “to build for the future.” It’s like Groundhog Day in Oakland and I don’t know how the fans stand it. Maybe I’ll ask both of them.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Yes Maggs, we’re so whiny.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Anything that gets the jerks panties in a bunch is a success as far as I am concerned. Keep up the five star work Intern Bill.
@Hef
Because YOU are the one to say whether a site is reputable? Shit’s weak.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Intern Bill has lost the bleeps, the sweeps AND the creeps
August 27th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
i cant speak for the rest of us…but i’ve been goin’ commando since 2003.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Guys, we’re missing the major theme of Intern Bill’s posts. If we were to step back and really look at what the guy is trying to get across, his message becomes quite obvious, making Bill’s writing much more palatable to a wider audience…
/Intern Bill rocks my socks
August 27th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
The what, what, and the what?
/that’s not all he’s lost.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
the radar….its been….JAMMED
August 27th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
TBL has been having a great day of posts and then he goes and ruins it.
I really thought Intern Bill was gone.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Intern Bill, for your next quest can you do some investigative journalism into why Terrele Pryor had a sit down with an o$u booster (who gave him a Corvette to drive around in while in high school) and Jim Tressel before commiting to o$u? Thanks man, you are the best.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I’ll end the investigation: He wanted to play for a winner.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
i’ll add to that…he didn’t want to play behind a worthless offensive line throwing to shitty targets for a douchebag coach in a stadium where the fans don’t care or cheer and leave in the 3rd quarter when they’re not getting their way.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
There’s only one man who would dare give me the raspberry…LONE STAR
August 27th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Oh shit…here comes the daily OSU vs Michigan debate.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Are we really just now understanding that everything about baseball is a crap shoot. From the praying your pitchers don’t throw out their arm, to the begging that your hitter guessed right on a pitch – to the average baseball player’s inexplicable fluctuation in statistics from year to year, a rock/scissors/paper contest would be easier to make sense of.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
there’s still a debate? i think it’s pretty obvious which FOOTBALL TEAM is superior.
/making it painfully clear what i mean just so i don’t hear a “well, Michigan is a better school…” retort
August 27th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Or you could just link to this as often as you would like. It really is a fun time. You can sit your kids down and tell them how they will become such great citizens if they go to o$u and how they will positively affect society IF they graduate.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
They are both pretty good schools last time I checked.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
well, Michigan is a better school
Go Blue
August 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I don’t know if anyone pointed this out or not, but to say Brian Bannister is a sabermetric pitcher is fucking retarded.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Sort of like praying your best offensive lineman doesn’t get hurt?
That your WR gets to a spot a split second quicker than the CB so he can make a catch?
The wild variance in schedules played every year in a short 16 game season having a pretty big bearing on success or failure? Teams that play weak schedules have a decided edge over those playing strong ones?
Looks like football might be the biggest game of chance.
Then again, maybe you could mold a similar argument about…um, just about anything ever.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Mags…i’ll refer to the Fulmer Cup, and not some douchebag, completely biased (that thinks their objective like ALL michigan fan sites) blog when seeing how the Bucks stack up against other schools in terms of player arrests and misbehavior. but thanks for that, it was incredibly
worthlessilluminating.August 27th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
you mean by not writing at all?
August 27th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
grammar counts
August 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Spence, we already know everything Maggs posts is irrelevant, don’t rub it in.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Here’s something to think about: what if stats really DO mean something?
On the other hand, what if they DON’T?
On the third hand, what if they MIGHT?
/brainsplosion
August 27th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
monday is going to be so fun in here. Go Utah!
August 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
@spence
12 year olds dude, TWICE! Good looking C-Bus, you keep it nice and classy down there…
@fetch
You are so freaking smart man. I wish I was just like you.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Nick P, this is not an argument you can win. The best teams/organizations win in football and basketball almost every year. In baseball, those organizations are not rewarded (for many a reason). So as a fan, there’s almost no rhyme or reason. As a fan, I can tell you why a quarterback was able to find an open receiver and why a player seems to work out. In basketball, you can easily discern what’s a high percentage shot and when a defender is getting lost on defense.
In baseball, you’re just hoping your hitter guesses right and that his “good swing” is rewarded. I hear managers talk about “good swings” every day, and in the end, even baseball know there’s so much luck involved to putting a ball where an outfielder isn’t.
As for free agency, you know what you’re getting in the NBA and in the NFL. In baseball, there’s no rationale why a guy goes from batting 279 to .234. In basketball, shooting perentages rarely show that type of deviation.
I’m not saying baseball isn’t a good sport, but it’s the most frustrating as a fan to watch of the major three.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
@little brother
Monday Oct. 27th will be much more fun…
August 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Michigan giving 3 1/2 points. Take the points and Utah.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Mags…hey, that’s fine. just keep shaking your keys and OSU will still keep on winning.
Michigan fans have made their bed…if Rich Rod recruits just ONE player who does anything negatively, be prepared to be insulted as hypocrites.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Baseball is the most easily forecastable sport in the regular season because the sample size is so big. You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Variance never happens in football. Tom Brady went from 220 yards/game up to 300. Carson Palmer went from 13 interceptions up to 20.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
cursedcleveland – there absolutely is rational for explaining the fluctuations in batting average. is called BABIP, and its why judging a baseball player’s skill using average as the only criterion is not advisable. one of the main impetuses for the development of sabremetics was to find more reliable metrics get better predictability in evaluations.
but i see your larger point about the parity in the leagues and your personal rooting preferences. just had to jump on that one batting average comment.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
that was actually really good. +1 Maggs.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Wouldn’t it take 31?
August 27th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
always great when a tSUN fan starts to toss around accusations about dirty programs when their bball team was one of the dirtiest in history
oh I forgot its different because its basketball not football
/it isn’t
August 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Spaceballs the lunchbox..
August 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
HA! One of the dirtiest in HISTORY!?! Bill Walton wants his hyperbole back you wonk.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
No dirtier than a Heisman Trophy Winner taking money from boosters, of course, nothing happened to him or his seasons records… weird.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Nick P, way to call out an exception.. which isn’t exception. Look at the Bengals offensive line and the fact that CP was coming off an injury.
I’m not saying there’s no variance in any other sport, nothing is a science (despite what the baseball people tried to say about their sports). There’s dumb luck in everything.
As for batting average, sure that should never be the end-all in baseball. We have stolen bases and hit-batsmen for that.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Mommy, what’s a wonk?
August 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
so 4 players getting over 600k from HS till their UM careers ended isn’t one of the biggest scandals ever in college sports?
August 27th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
no…it takes ONE. if you’re going to rail against another school, that really isn’t that dirty to begin with, and call them filthy, then your team better be 100% virgin white clean.
yea, because that’s far worse than having your starting RB pass out in his car with a BAC 4x the legal limit.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
$500<<<<<<<$616,000
August 27th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Spaceballs the flamethrower.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Who knows? God willing, we’ll all meet again in Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Damnit people for the last time the A’s were about getting players that did something well cheap. It just happened at the time that OBA was undervalued but as more teams have put an emphasis on this its possible its now over valued. The challenge for Bean is to find the next stat/ability that people are not paying the right price for (eg speed).
August 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
the kids love it
August 27th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Thanks for flipping the Explorer with recruit Mateen Cleaves riding along.
/Michigan State Basketball
August 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I’m just pointing out the absurdity of picking one of the worst statistics in baseball and using its variance as a catch-all.
It would be like using drops to evaluate QBs.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
but Brett Favre throws it too hard. it is his fault when someone drops it.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
NOTHING is worse than raping a 12 year old… TWICE. Moron.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
August 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Nope.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Paying college athletes is paying college athletes. There is no degree of breaking the rule. A rule is a rule and if it is broken it is broken.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
@
HefMaggsBecause YOU are the one to say whether a
sitescandal isreputablethe biggest? Shit’s weak.August 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
@Nick P.
No apparently it is Thomas Yeager. Do have someone who reads these comments for you? You need to call them back to your
officepublic library computer.August 27th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
When did I say Thomas Yeager was?
August 27th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
i quoted a comment from him about the UM basketball scandal
August 27th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
my mistake…i have no idea what i was thinking.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Oh, so Maggs doesn’t read the comments? Got it.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
from this article
August 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
@Nick P.
No it is you who doesn’t read the comments you idiot. It was a reference from a post that was ahead fo yours, you are all so stupid. Go write your awesome crap for your huge fan base over at jerk…
August 27th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Mags…what i just don’t understand is how you can dismiss what happened to the UM basketball team entirely. i just don’t get it at all.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
When did I dismiss it? I never dismissed it. It was horrible awful and killed our program and our reputation as a great university. It just bothers me that when my team gets caught we suffer program destruction, but when your school gets caught they never do shit. How about taking away some scholorships when you guys break the rules? Of course that would never happen because you don’t have a sniffling wank in C-Bus throwing all of your teams under the bus. Also, it isn’t our fault our stadium panders to the uber rich alumni who yell at clouds and tell you to sit down. Believe me, everyone under the age of fifty would love to get rowdy, but nobody does for fear of the old timers getting all snippy. It will change. Michigan will be a feared place to play again, that is the whole reason behond the RR hire in my opinion.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
comment #72.
dismiss might have been a poor choice of words, and yes, you’re right that breaking a rule is a rule, but there is a degree which must be considered. a $500 handshake, is illegal, but to say it’s on the same level as a $600,000 scandal is ridiculous. there IS a difference between the two and if you think that OSU should be punished on the same level as the UM basketball program, then that’s just absurd.
and where is your outcry against Reggie Bush getting $200k+ worth of benefits? it’s still OSU this and OSU that, and despite the fact that the program has been cleaned up under our new regime, you still point to the cooper years and no. 13 as proof that OSU is garbage, and frankly, it’s wrong. OSU’s bball team has been penalized, yet what do you want from the football team for a $500 handshake? you want their bowl game win taken away? or the heisman? come on, that’s ridiculous, and seeing as troy smith WAS punished, it’s a little extreme.
and regarding the TP ALLEGATIONS…they’re just that. come up with some proof and then we’ll see what happens.
as for the other stuff…im gonna stay away from that, you know better than i.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
So Maggs you are pissed because when you guys cheat and get caught you you have to pay the piper? And far as the old people they will be okay with a few youngsters getting rowdy or they just want come to the games opening the door for a younger crowd. IMO all major college programs are a little dirty you dont win with all choirboys.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
wait … uh … so why do sabermeterics team stink? i haven’t heard anyone give a reason … *(though i did scroll quickly through the comments)
August 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
@mags… That’s one reason for the hire. I’m sure getting quality “student” athletes like Chris Henry and Adam Jones are also part of it too…
Personally, I think the hire is a huge mistake. UM doesn’t need RR and his freak offense and defense. That type of stuff is for teams that don’t have their reputation or success. I think the powers in AA overhauled something that needed tinkered with.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Of course I am pissed that reggie Bush gets off without anything taken away, that is equal to what happened at UM with basketball. They baught his family a fucking house in LA for fucks sake. When did I ever say I wasn’t pissed about that? I am engulfed in pissed about all of this shit, because we are the only ones who have to pay the piper. Nobody else has ever had a program competely torn away, besides maybe SMU. The fact is I have to bring it up because this board is filled with o$u mouth breathers and it really is the only defense for Lloyd’s crippling predictability leading to our run of losses. I would talk shit to USC fan if there was one on this board. THAT is a fucking travisty that USC hasn’t been completely dismantled in my opinion. But o$u has done its fair share of cheating and dirty shit, the thing is no one with any access can get into the red menace to dig up this shit because the program and its boosters have no dissenters. Michigan has people on the inside with access that will crumble it with a hint of wrong doing, we can’t compete with that. When you guys get to cheat without consequences and we don’t we simply can’t compete. That is my problem. That is why I am losing my hair and that is why my obsession is slowly killing me. I love Saturdays!!!
August 27th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
fair enough…party on.
rogaine can help.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
But then again we were 11 points away from playing for the NC a couple years ago, so it isn’t THAT bad around here, which people (you, wally, nick. P, monast) fail to realize. It isn’t like we are a bad program that is on a Miami-esque slide. We were right in the picture two years ago and ranked #5 pre season last year… so we won’t be as bad as people are talking.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
dont bring Miami into this discussion Maggs
August 27th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
no, and you’ve heard me say it before, it’s not a slide, it’s an anomaly. i do think UM is going to be bad this year because of their QB and OL situations, in my opinion, the two most important units on the field, but i’m not going to pretend to know what’s going to happen down the road, for better or worse.
but don’t point to your preseason ranking from last year when you rail like mad against them this year (and i DO agree with you on that).
August 27th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
but Miami has won 5 NC in 25 years. details, details….
August 27th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Miami is about a billion times better than Michigan. But don’t go by who has more titles or anything.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
not to be a Michigan defender, but I’m pretty sure they have more NC’s than Miami.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
I knew Michigan and OSU fans could get along.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
indeed they do…UM has 7 (ed. 6.5) and Da U has 5.
im no math major, but im pretty sure 7 > 5.
/lebron > kobe
August 27th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
who ever said UM was bad? All I did was point out your hypocrisy
August 27th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
@maggs… I don’t think UM was in that bad of shape. That’s why I don’t understand the hire. They are overhauling something that didn’t need it. I don’t care for RR, his antics, his style of football, etc… I’ve always considered UM to be a classy, well run program that I hated.
It changed with the hire. The high class luster is, or will be soon, gone. Many of the current UM players don’t fit the style. How long until RR can build what he wants? I may be wrong, but I don’t know if they will be relevant for 2-3 years. Will UM give RR that much time? If they run him out, then what?
August 27th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Michigan: 1 since 1950, Miami: 5 since 1950.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
their strength and conditioning needed a MAJOR overhaul.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Big Blue 11
Hurricanes 5
August 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Yale has 18 national titles, they’re amazing!
August 27th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
fetch…again, not to be a dick, but unless this is the university of alabama, NC’s that occur before our parents were born do still count. and miami didn’t even have a football team back then, so it could easily be michigan 6 before 1950, miami 0 since 1950.
alabama just makes up their own NC’s and says it’s fact.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
As an outsider (ie I have no affliation with any big time college program), let me say this in response to Mag’s rant and the direction this conversation is going.
Every single football factory school is the same. USC, OSU, UM, FSU, Alabama, Florida, Miami, Oklahoma, etc. They all buy their players and bend the rules as much as they can to win. No one program is holier than another. The only possible exceptions are Duke, Stanford, and sometimes Boston College, but I think they’re becoming like everyone else.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Notre Dame’s 13 national championships laughs at all of you.
/Don’t care to hear that they haven’t won one in 20 years.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
and regarding the old date argument…even tho the only reason Michigan has a winning record over the Buckeyes is because a large chunk of those wins happened before OSU came to prominence, they still technically count.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I gotta go, but you can hate Michigan all you want. I actually love being a part of something special. I love the RR hire, I think his offense keys in on the Big Tens weaknesses (large no necked linebackers of the 4.8 40 variety)I just think he is used to getting garbage recruits and is still doing what he used to. I would have loved Les Miles (as most would have including Miles…) but it didn’t happen and you can’t go back in time. Michigan hires coaches for life and the only way we don’t give RR his due time is if he Charlie Weiss’ himself which I dont see happening. I think Michigan will suprise some people this year and I don’t think they will be in the NC picture, but they will be in due time 2-3 years. It will be fun, but I am really over my school being hate don by this board. It is college football time and it is my favorite time of year. You may see less of me, which will make most of you happy as hell.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
@TBL
I think CubsDynasty (#65) got it right, really. In Moneyball, Beane capitalized on inefficiencies in the market and he paid for undervalued stats. At the time, it was OBP. While all the other front offices were still stuck on AVG and less important stats of the sort, Beane was building great teams for cheap with people who could get on base like crazy. Since then, other teams have caught on and OBP isn’t undervalued anymore. This means that Beane can’t always sign the best players and other small market teams (e.g: KC, Was., Cle., SD… in other words, most of the teams listed in the post) also aren’t getting the best OBP hitters like they might have before OBP became as prevalent as it is today. Basically, even if you wouldn’t classify the Cubs, for example, as a sabremetric franchise, they’re winning for arguably the same reason Beane’s A’s teams were earlier this decade, leading the league in OBP. In fact, in order, the four worst teams in terms of OBP are: Oakland, Washington, San Diego, Kansas City.
Basically, it’s hard for these “sabremetric” franchises to do a good job running their team when the big spenders are using the right stats as well, even if they aren’t labeled as such… at least that’s how I see it.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Miles is happy to be where he is Maggs.
Geaux Tigers!
August 27th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
agreed on the fav time of year, but if you go mags, who will i argue with? mizerle and his god damned ESSS-EEEEEEE-SEEEEE SPEED bullshit?
August 27th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
WeGotWood…can’t you read the title of this post? this is an OSU/UM argument, OBVIOUSLY.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
LeBron>OSU